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ESO people have good reason to hate on Wildstar
Righteous_Rock
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It's the truth. Right now there are people on the fence, should I buy ESO or just wait for Wildstar? The launch and overall general impression and reputation of mmorpgs is of utmost importance if you find a game you love. Wildstar is most likely ESO ' largest competition considering mmorpgers tend to try out any and everything that comes thier way. Wildstar is potentially crippling momentum and revenue eso could be taking advantage of. Fans of ESO know this and as a result we have the message boards filled with Wildstar hate mostly from ESO fans.
I am a WildStar fan and I had to ask why is this going on? They are two different games but they do pool from the same consumer base and we still have people that are on the fence and can be persuaded by message boards.
Anyone think of any other reason eso fan hates on Wildstar?
I am a WildStar fan and I had to ask why is this going on? They are two different games but they do pool from the same consumer base and we still have people that are on the fence and can be persuaded by message boards.
Anyone think of any other reason eso fan hates on Wildstar?
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Sorry no one should ever have a reason to "hate" on a game. I mean seriously...
But as a ES and MMORPG fan I'll still be looking at both. ESO has my main preference and is a sure buy on release but I am sure to get some fun out of Wildstar.
I don't spend time on games I would dislike as it's a waist of time/energy. Of course every now and then I might speak up about a game I dislike. But unlike many here you will not see me in that games section
I just don't think you could be farther from the truth.
While they are both MMORPG's, ESO and Wildstar just don't have that much in common, and while there will be plenty of overlap from fans who enjoy all kinds of games, they really don't cater to the same playerbase either.
If I was in charge of advertising Wildstar I would cater my advertising more towards people who have enjoyed WoW or Everquest, and if the same were true for ESO I would cater my advertising more towards people who play or played GW2, DAOC, or even Warhammer (in addition to the Elder Scrolls single-player games).
The above is my personal opinion. Anyone displaying a view contrary to my opinion is obviously WRONG and should STHU. (neener neener)
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I miss the times where peole would just enjoy the games they play and didn't feel the need to defend them in forums.
But, yeah, unfortunately, this is the ESO's community. I love the game, and I think I'll buy this one over Wildstar, but atm (Maybe because the game hasn't been released yet), the community is pretty "circlejerk" and fanboyi and feel the need to hate other MMO because they think their MMO is better.
Both games communities hate on each other - it's simply human nature, and has nothing to do with MMO specific fans. Black Ops fans hate on Battlefield fans and vice versa, Football team fans hate on each other, Soccer team fans the same... hell people in Ice Skating hate on each other.
I guess instead of saying it's human nature, you could say it's "Fan Nature"... as anyone who is a fan of one thing, tends to either blindly defend that thing or blindly lash out at anything that's in competition of that thing.
Personally, I'm a Wildstar fan... as you.. but I think ESO has done a better job of managing their Beta. Yes, the weekend only thing for ESO is annoying... but from weekend to weekend you can see significant improvements. Compared to Wildstar, where I've heard that quests that were broken months ago... still remain broken.
So - whereas I'm more interested in Wildstar ... I'll probably end up playing ESO simply because to date (and this can/will change) have proven themselves more reliable at fixing issues.
Because they don't like the game. Really that's it. They believe there's already too many games like that and hope that by generating a little bit more bad press future developers might instead try a path more to their liking.
Hell, same reason I occasionally hate on ESO. I don't like at all what they're doing with the CE so when asked by a topic I'll provide my little bit of bad press to them to hopefully dissuade future developers (rather publishers I'm guessing in this case) to make like decisions.
It's how a real free market works. In doesn't just involve consumers meekly buying or not buying stuff. It involves consumer feedback in the form of things being the greatest ever fanboyism or things being utter and complete bullshit hate.
So by all means, please hate, whine, bitch, cry and act as entitled as you damn well please about the products you dislike. Also please heap undeserved praise and compliments as well as money on the products you dislike. It's called being a consumer in a free market, sometimes it sucks utter balls so better take what you can get and use your voice as much as you can.
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I'm actually glad Wild Star and ESO are launching so close together.
I tried the Wild Star beta this weekend, and I felt no immersion..no connection to the world. I even felt WoW did better at creating an "epic" world feel when you begin the game. I felt like I was playing an advanced Mario style arcade game with Wild Star.
With ESO I felt immersed in the world. I felt that "epic" feel of gritty danger.
I know Wild Star will be successful and is probably a fun game over all, but I'm looking for more of a virtual world. With both games launch close it ensures that my ESO virtual world won't be filled with those people who want an arcade style disposable game. This is good for gamers too as more choice is better.
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sorry but i totaly disagree.
ESO and wildstar won't really compete.
personally i prefer ESO, but i dont hate wildstar. if you like masses of telegraphs to jump out from, who am i to tell you not to?
but if you are deciding between ESO and wildstar, you are most likely just a game hopper anyway i'd say
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I have pre purchased 2 copies of TESO. That said I don't hate on Wildstar. I honestly don't even think about the game unless I'm on a gaming forum and i see it's name. Those times I only think about it for a second or two and move on. Wildstar doesn't interest me in any way shape or form. It does other, cool. Not everyone likes the same thing.
I don't "fear" Wildstar is going to affect TESO in any way. The games will appeal to those they appeal too. Sure, there are quite a few sheep that can't make up their minds and will go where some loud mouth on a forum that has no more expertise than them tells them to go. Those sheep make up a miniscule number of the gaming populace.
Despite what many of those loud mouths will try to have you believe on forums like this the majority of gamers have a good idea of what they like and want.
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MMOs aren't just games. They're not just confined entertainment experiences for the consumer. They only work when they're populated. It makes perfect sense to hate on something that you perceive as a threat to the world you want to inhabit.
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^Pretty much.
I couldn't care less about Wildstar and what they do or don't do; I don't like the art style, I'm not particularly excited about any of its features, and I won't be buying it (heck, I never even signed up for the beta).
Now ESO on the other hand... I got my Imperial Edition pre-order all set for the launch.
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No, it doesn't make perfect sense, but the sad thing is your statement is indicative of the real world we live in. People hating others for X,Y and Z reasons. It's a sad state of the human condition to react with rage and malice to others rubbing their bellies a different way than what that individual is used to.
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This attitude existed from the beginning. The issue is the internet was still relatively new and not many people visited forums comparable to date. Hate for other MMO's existed back then too it just wasn't as known. People in my favorite and first MMO used to make fun of and "hate" on Everquest. And guys I knew who played Ultima Online did the same thing to EQ and AC.
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Look, about 1 month ago ESO forums were being blown up by people saying WildStar was their game and there was a lot of hate and lies. I've noticed the same people now are over in WildStar saying the exact opposite. If you ask them for details on both games I doubt they have more than regurgitated copypasta. Long story short most of us are sticking over here in our forum, but I notice a huge amount of trolls disappeared from the ESO section after NDA lift and they were called out as liars. All I can say is hang in there man, they will be moving to Archeage or EQN forums if you can weather the storm.
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It's not the truth.
WildStar and ESO are marketed to two completely different demographics. WildStar is aiming for the WoW slice of the MMO pie, and ESO is going for the Elder Scrolls/DAoC/gritty realism people. While there are people that will try both, the groups that each game is marketed towards generally don't intermingle.
So, I think your premise is flawed, and unnecessarily inflammatory.
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Uhhh.. yeah.. populated MMOs. Come on. In more or less all MMOs(expect EvE) a server is more than full with anything above 5000 players, in a lot of games less.. and to have that many players you need what? A playerbase of 50.000, most probably less.. any damn game does have so many players.
And with the new megaserver technology you don't even have the problem of empty servers, server merges and the like.. because they just need 5000 active players... in all other games it has a lot more to do with mismanagement, with bad server exectuion(opening up to many, merge to late, or manage it generally badly), with overhyping(masses join the game at release day and leave it a few weeks later), and the overall mentality of MMO hoping, and that the current crop of MMOs just don't have any longevity.
With other words.. to hate other games, or to convince other ppl to try out your beloved game is just counter productive.. because they will leave it very soon and your problem will arise then.
Edit: @topic: There is always some "hate" between different idiologies.. and wildstar triggers a few buttons with over stylized cartoony graphics, raiding game, gear grind game and what not.. a lot are just sick of it, and therefore "hate" it, more for what it stands and not so much for what it is. And i don't know if those are exclusively ESO players or just a lot of MMO players, which just can't stand any of those.
Funny thing is.. for me.. i think the wildstar combat looks fun, and i would like to play it.. on the other side i am not really a dungeon, raid or generally pve player.. and to buy a game just because of some battlefields? And even pay a monthly sub? No, not really worth it.. and i do hate raiding, gear grinding and a lot of those themeparkish features.. but i still blame WoW more.. and Wildstar not at all.
I think you are trying to diminish the truth here by blaming the hate on WildStar on ESO fans. I think as more people tested and played WildStar they realized it isn't as good as they thought it was, at least the negativity about the game. Not just ESO fans but people across the board. The funny thing about this situation is ESO was beat up for a long time by everyone including WildStar fans. As more people played ESO and found out about the game the view of ESO is shifting to a more positive stance.
So ESO fans feel more confident in their game and are going on the offensive after being in defensive mode for so long.
After the last WS beta weekend ESO have nothing to be worried about, and still my friend you are so far, far, far away from the truth that i dont really know if you are being serious about this. ESO fans dont even care about WS tbh.
Hmm.. really? The overall tenor is.. AvA rocks.. but the pve side of it sucks, and combat sucks(but hopefully they change something about it).. and as much as i know everyone said that for years.. just with the difference that we really did not know a lot about AvA, and a lot were let down by GW2 somewhat.. and those tests may have reassured some player.. but the overall tendency was always the same. At least i did not come across of a lot of threads with the title "Eso pve is great, is the best thing ever"