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My 2 cents on what people think of TESO....
Heavy-armor-warrior
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Hardcore TES fans(who dont play much or any MMOs.)
Will either love or hate this game. They may be shocked that its not exactly "skyrim" online, and then get all mad and stop playing. Or they might play it a bit more and fall in love with it. They will think that the game is not as "explorable" as skyrim.
MMO players and TES players
Will probably think this game is pretty dang good. MMO standers its great and has great lore from the single player games.
They will probably notice that the story is better than most MMOs and that the PvP is fun and most quest are not to bad.
They will also notice the different combat and either like it or not like it, same with slow leveling. And they will probably love the exploration.
Hardcore MMO players (people who just wanna level, level, level.)
Will probably find this game mixed. They may try to rush the story so they can get level'd asap. They will probably love the PvP and may or may not like the way crafters can make the best items. They will probably enjoy the dungeons and most PvE. And they may or may not like the endgame.
They probably will not explore so, the game will look more bland and generic to them. They will probably hate the combat and the slow leveling.
Well thats all i got to say. Just some things i noticed. Agree? Disagree?
Comments
You've got things about right.
I think hardcore TES fans are probably the most likely to be displeased with the game, given that so many things from the single player game could not be translated to an MMO.
The rest of the folks (MMO, TES-MMO) will probably love it.
Thanks for agreement.
I think the core MMO fan will be let down by how vanilla the game is. They all jumped ship on the other mediocre MMORPG released in the past 5 years and this one won't be any different.
I disagree with you.
Yes it does not have anything that has not already been added, but the way those things are in the game make the whole game its self feel new.
For example:
Not much MMOs that allow you to explore.
Even less let you explore and go into 1st person.
Even less have real time combat.
And so on and so on...
You have to look and feel the game as a whole. But i can kinda see what your saying.
You miss used the term "hard core mmo player". Those people are the non-casual crowd who want corpse runs, exp-loss death, non-instant travelling, crafting minutiae, etc. Usually ex-EQ1 players.
The proper term you need to use is "content locusts". They swarm in, eat up all the content/level as fast as they can, crap all over the forums, then leave for the 'next big thing' leaving devastation behind.
I have to agree from what i have seen so far. I mean really this game is mediocre at best.
My brother-in-law has been a fan of everything elder scrolls since it's creation many years ago. With that being said, I gave him my TESO beta key the day I got it and he absolutely loves it. He is definitely buying it.
You hit most of them spot on. i also know that a lot of the RP community from EQ2 and other games i play are enjoying it as well. the first person view lets you really see through the eyes of your character. Exploring is fun and the crafting system is well made though annoying since the materials vanish once someone gathers it instead of being for each player. But all in all this is a well made game but its NOT Daggerfall, Morrowind,Oblivion or skyrim. If you go in to the game expecting it to be like the single player ones you WILL be disappointed
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As a long long time elder scrolls fan and MMO player i'm having a hard time getting past the bad character models and the absolutely horrid animations (especially running) to even give the game much of a chance. Every time i move my character i cringe just at how bad it looks while running.
The combat lacks any feel and is kinda slow and the skills you get don't seem to do much. All in all it's been very hard to login throughout all the beta tests. I keep logging in though to see if anythings changed to the point where i feel like playing is worth it.
Those animations though are so bad they are just jarring.
I am a big fan of the elder scrolls series since morrowind and i think TESO is a great game. I am not displeased at all, so i guess your theory doesn't hold much weight.
Bad in comparison to assassins creed? yes. Bad in comparison to wow? no.
I probably fit the #1 category more so and yes am very dissapointed
I could pass for the #2 category - but overall I am more displeased with MMORPG's and I have higher expectations
The #3 category - with mmorpg's especially ones that you pay a monthly fee to play, your going to want to rush through as much as you can as fast as you can. Your on the clock, how far did my $15 get me? When sub time comes up again, is it worth it?
I could fit in that category as well and would still be displeased - #1 Hardcore guy pushing content doesn't care about lore, #2 Why am I paying a month fee for a single player part of the game?
When I play skyrim, I will stop and smell the roses, read books, go on tangents, and just go wherever the game leads me. That's really how one should play ESO, but the minute you add a $15 time card to that is the minute I just start doing work.
I would play ESO as a buy to play game. It easily would make a very fun and enjoyable experience as buy to play, regardless of the poor story quest lines and terrible melee combat. I would be purchasing it for 3 faction pvp only.
Eve and Wow -
Wow always has something else for you to do rather than that thing you just got tired of doing. So I was pvping but now i want to raid, I was out questing, but now I want arenas, I was playing as a Death Knight but now I would like to play as a Shaman, I was leveling in pet battles, but now I would like to farm mounts I don't have...
Eve on the other hand ( I am inexperienced, but from what I can tell it's a one of a kind, and if you want that experience then you just have to pay for it) Why doesn't that apply to WoW? Well real simply put WoW is just the best at that style of mmorpg.
Is ESO a one of a kind? That answer is a matter of perspective, for me ESO would be 3 faction pvp game and in that regard it is not a one of a kind.
As a long time elder scrolls and MMORPG fan. I have never been big on combat in ES games. Because I never felt combat or animation where good in ES games because it was everything else in those games that made me forgive the bad animations/combat in ES games. Especially when compared to other games that have combat.
I feel TESO actually has improved ES combat.
And that feel you talk about must have been passed experiance since it seems they wil have collision detection. Actually feel it's good turned off in PVP because you can count on it that it would be exploited especially in PVP the way it works. If they would have that in PVP I am sure the first Emperor with a well organised guid could dominate forever.
Not really sure how you could have enjoyed ES games due to your comments?
MMO player with some 10 years of experience.
Old player that enjoys Elder Scrolls a lot.
I have to say I do enjoy ESO. Its a well made MMO with rich lore and good quests. The game is well built, imersion is solid. Yes there are some issues like crappy animations and plethora of other stuff, but its still a fun game.
Its a high fantasy MMO that is as far away from WOW concept as you can get in a roller coaster / theme park MMO as you can get. Still have to try PVP ( RL and all that work stuff that comes with age ). But this is my second weekend and I am enjoying the game.
I do understand #SWAG #YOLO generation screaming bloody murder over every thing that isnt the way they imagined it in wet dreams also I understand Skyrim fans with 8 core, 4 GFX, 64GB ram rigs that cry because there is F all they can do with that in any MMO out there today. But that doesnt make ESO a bad game.
Slower pace of play is a wellcomed change from - GET MORE EPIX NAU !!!11 YOUR EPIX ARE OUTDATED FROM 20 MIN AGO !!11.
You sir, pretty much summed up the way I feel about MMOs in general and how I feel about ESO and WoW. If I play an Elder Scrolls game I want to do as you said that you do. And why would I pay $15 a month for the single player experience?
So.. you want us to tell you what we think about what you think about what other people about ESO? And then you're going to respond with what you think about what we think about what you think about what other people think about ESO?
Well, ok, i'm up for it!
I fall into the category that i quoted. I'm an MMO player. I played oblivion way back when and i hated it. I picked up Skyrim recently - only after playing the ESO beta (and i quite liked it). So now i'm an MMO player and an ES player.
Let me go through what you think i think:
Do i think the game is pretty dang good? Meh. I think it's average. I like it enough to have pre-ordered it, but i don't expect it to keep my attention for more than 2-3 months.
Do i think it has great lore from single player games? Not really. Obviously it has lore and it's related to Elder Scrolls, i think it's "Great"? No. It's average.
Do i notice that the story is better than most MMOs? No. The story is average. It's better than say... EQ2 or Rift or a few other MMOs with very generic stories. Probably about the same as TOR. Not nearly as good as the games that actually had a good story - LoTRO, TSW are the absolute best, but even games like FE, TR and AoC i foudn to be a lot better in terms of story (both originality and writing quality).
Do i find that pvp is fun? I don't find pvp fun in ANY game. I hate pvp. That being said, I agree with you, the siege PvP looks very fun. I might even try it out. But this is based on videos and not personal experience.
Do i find that quests are not too bad? I guess. They're not TOO bad. But they're pretty blah. They're extremely simple even by simple standards. Most take less than 5 minutes to do. The ones that involve combat only involve like 1 mob to kill. The ones that involve an enemy "stronghold" of somekind usually involve "Strongholds" that only have like 5 people in them and no boss or anything. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that ESO the MMO couldn't have the same size dungeons/enemy forts as Skyrim. MMOs 10 years ago (AO, CoH) were able to have solo quests with LARGE, randomly generated dungeon areas, that were also randomly populated with mobs. There is NO reason why we should have these shitty little 5 mob areas in a brand new game.
Do i notice the different combat? Yes. Not very different if you've played stuff liek AoC and Fallen Earth, but yes, it's somewhat unique. Do i like it? I don't know tbh. I like the moving around and how abilities feel... i don't like having to spam click your regular attack manually, i just see no reason to make my finger hurt, it's not like any skill is involved in that. But is pretty fun despite the manual thing. Is it "omfg amazing combat"? No. That would be DCUO or TR (for me). But it's not bad either.
Do i notice the slow levelling? Yeah, I think the overall pace is good, but I wish there was more XP to be had in killing mobs and a bit less in quests. I wish some of the skills levelled more separatetely from your levels. But yeah, the overall pace of progression is a bit slower, but i like it. (That being said, i'm not sure just how "different" the pace is. For example, in playing Wildstar beta - which i hated - the prevoius weekend, the pace was pretty much identical.)
Do i love the exploration? I would find exploration better if the things that i found while exploring were more elaborate. See my point above about questing. The things you find are tiny. The quests you find take 2 minutes and lead into places/strongholds that are also tiny. Also, there is nothing dynamic. What was there yesterday is what's there today. Things like Dark Anchors were a great opportunity to incorporate ever-changing content into the world. Having everything static just makes it feel stale and not worth returning to. Again, these are not outlandish expectations - most of recently released themepark games - Rift, GW2, FF (i think) - have something like this.
So yeah, i don't think your evaluation of my evaluation of the game is quite right on. All this is not to say that i hate the game - as i said, i've pre-ordered and i am enjoying playing. There are just A LOT of missed opportunity - both as compared to MMOs and as compared to ES games. ANd they come down to just poor design choices, not limitations of the genre or anything else.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
And, even less (almost all) don't have the extensive lore and back story. This to me is a huge part of an mmorpg. Without a reason to play it's just killing mobs.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
That's sort of my issues with "exploration" and why I keep saying that the game is nothing like elder scrolls games. In the previous elder scrolls games you cold find "places" and those places could be your game play for that session. IN ESO you find very small very quck things to do. Yet people keep screaming the game play is the same. It's clear to me they just don't understand.
As far as the whole "dynamic" thing, well, it's a themepark. I suppose that's what they do. the games yuou mentioned, Rift, Gyild Wars 2 and FF 14 are exactly the same.
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I liked what you wrote. It was honest and fair! You probably had the most sincere post I have seen since this weekends beta started. Thank you.
And yes, unfortunately FFXIV had the FATE system.
Edit: snip
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
When i played Rift (at least the month or two on launch), you at least came across different things that were going one. Yes, one rift was similar to another rift, but there were different people participating, sometimes there were a lot of people at an even, other times not a lot, this made it easier/harder. Sometimes you had a big zone event, etc. It made for a change of pace. I mean, obviously it wasn't the end-all of MMOs (i'm no longer playing Rift),but it helped with a reason to come back to places in the zone where you'd been. The Rift/GW2 comparison just referred to the Dark Anchor stuff though, to make those more diverse.
Where i think dynamic content could have much better helped a game like ESO is in creeating all those caves / forts / ruins (with dungeons below) that Skyrim had. CoH (way back then) used a dynamic system to generate its quest maps and to fill them with appropriate number and level of mobs for the number of people that were on the quest. This would have worked PERFECTLY for all these little quests in ESO that lead to tiny 5-mob areas. Instead, each one would - as you say - "create a play session".
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
You missed my category,a very experienced gamer that has played ES games before.
I think the past versions is why i would not risk spending a lot of time to find out if i would like this game.I don't have any confidence on Zenimax/Bethesda to make me the game i would stick to for a long period of time.I played all their games for about one month then got tired of them,pretty much what has been happening to this entire genre.
I don't want a game to feel exactly like a ES game,i want it to feel brand new ,CREATIVE AND UNIQUE.Otherwise to me it is just another ES game but with added internet,that does not excite me.
For myself ES games always felt like decent enough but i could always find something better.
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I agree. A whole lot of MMOs seem to get this part wrong. So far the only ones that made me feel like I wasn't playing a robot simulator were GW2 and to an extent WoW. And that's sad because WoW is really old now... also Wildstar's animations are great.
Well this is my 3rd Beta weekend and I've started 4 characters the highest of which is 15th. Today I found myself clicking through the voice acting and dialogue without listening to it or reading it (even in areas I haven't done before) picking up quests and running from one place to the other on auto-pilot pretty much just 'clearing content'. I logged off and realised that if I'm like this after such a short period of time ESO just isn't for me.
It looks great, I like the skill system and the crafting system and even the much maligned combat is ok, but i'm just not feeling it. It doesn't feel immersive, it feels closed in in terms of the towns and mountains and very small, a bit like the city of DDO. I don't feel engaged with my characters in a way I do in other games. To be honest my main looked like every other Nord warrior running around and progress in terms of skill points didn't really translate into game world differences and appearances. It didn't seem to matter what skills I chose it was all not much of a challenge to be honest.
Glad I got to try it out before I decided to buy it, and yes I know it's beta but were a month from launch and I'm pretty sure it won't change that much to entice me back.
I m one of the biggest DAOC fans out there, and after a bit of AvA, I actually logged off and re subbed DAOC:) This was last beta, I think the fun will last for people that never played DAOC, but us DAOC vets, IMO, would be better off with, well, DAOC.