The answer is no. You need those 10 levels to learn your skills, help you feel realm pride, make friends in the open world, and make the world seem populated.
When DAoC gave the option to jump to level 20 and go to battlegrounds, it killed the game population because the world became dead and no one grouped with newbies.
Originally posted by reeereee I don't know man, maybe I was doing it wrong but leveling felt super slow in Cyrodiil. I don't even know that I feel it's a real alternative to PvE leveling... which is a shame...
Grinding repeatable PvE quests in Cyrodiil is currently the fastest way to level. There are 2 quests that literally ask you to go across the river and click 3 things and kill one person. The return and repeat.
I am sure it will get nerfed, but it was about 10x faster than PvE area questing or dungeons.
I hope if everyone is going to be in AVA that it will not lag so much. I realise it was a stress test but it didnt seem to improve at all as the weekend progressed.
Originally posted by nerovipus32 If you feel the game is a grind and want to skip most of the game well you're probably better off playing something else.
How can you say I am better off playing something else, when I want to play the AvA which is in this game?
I'm starting to get disgusted by gamers who are apparently addicted to MMORPGs (got to play them all) but want to skip half of the reason why these games are called MMORPGs in the first place. Too impatient and too bored as to not be able to follow story for 10-20 levels (level grind, are you kidding?), let alone read some of it. Read?! Am I mad?! I know right. MOBA generation at best...
I agree with you. It seems far too many people have the attention span of a goldfish.
Yes. The more players bolstered to 50 with only 1 skill on their single bar the better!
No, really trust me on this one... come one come all!
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Originally posted by Dogblaster Originally posted by nerovipus32If you feel the game is a grind and want to skip most of the game well you're probably better off playing something else.
Originally posted by Telondariel You can join the AvA at level 10, and level up in it if you want. That's not what I would consider a grind. I find your poll to be misleading and nonsensical.
As someone who spent 4 hours yesterday learning the dynamics of the game, configuring keybinds, and completing redundant PvE content just to see a beta weekend come to a close because I work Mon-Fri and have a life, I find your message to be misleading and nonsensical.
Some of us prefer to engage in challenges against other logical sentient beings, as opposed to sitting in a chair for hours mindlessly completing routine activities against AI which frankly other games provide a better challenge/implementation of.
I can't comprehend how you find the OP to be misleading or nonsensical unless you fail to recognize this different playerbase.
Originally posted by nerovipus32If you feel the game is a grind and want to skip most of the game well you're probably better off playing something else.
+1
and another +1
If you feel this game has any chance of competing with other MMO's strictly on a PvE front, you're dellusional as like it or not a significant portion of the players are interested at least partially in PvP if not entirely.
Some of us prefer other games for PvE or prefer PvP entirely, regardless don't be mad the devs clearly mean to support both groups of players, including those who find PvE tedious and grindy. Hence the entire AvA allure
In the current build via Patch V18 you'll be able to skip the starter areas, so that will save you several hours if that is what floats your boat. I do think they perhaps could do what Warhammer did and have like a level 1-9 instance so that people could PVP right at the start if they choose, but maybe what I mentioned in the patch will help calm you a bit.
Originally posted by meddyck The PvE grind is a major reason I'm not buying this (the monthly sub being probably the other biggest reason). If I could skip the PvE and start AvAing immediately and only AvA (unless I just wanted to PvE which sometimes happens), I would definitely buy it. It's why I've put my money towards Camelot Unchained instead of TESO. I've spent enough hours in my life doing boring PvE just so I could reach a point where I am competitive to do RvR. No mas.
You're kidding right?! It takes all of 4-8 hours to hit 10. So you are saying that for all the hours of "pvp fun" that you would supposedly enjoy being that you are a pvper, you won't be buying a great game because you are too lazy? This actually reflects society today. People want to park at the front of the store because they can't walk 200 feet. They bitch and complain at work because they can't make the salary they think they are worth but don't want to make the effort to show what they are worth. It's a faccing shame. I honestly hope you don't play as I already can see one consequence of the "mega-server" and the lack of one more sloth will be at least one more step in the direction of a better community environment in ESO. So to you and "your camp" of like minded cattle....so long, have a nice day.
Originally posted by jskeets916 Originally posted by DeddmeatOriginally posted by DogblasterOriginally posted by nerovipus32If you feel the game is a grind and want to skip most of the game well you're probably better off playing something else.
+1and another +1 If you feel this game has any chance of competing with other MMO's strictly on a PvE front, you're dellusional as like it or not a significant portion of the players are interested at least partially in PvP if not entirely.
Some of us prefer other games for PvE or prefer PvP entirely, regardless don't be mad the devs clearly mean to support both groups of players, including those who find PvE tedious and grindy. Hence the entire AvA allure
you do know that the larger pb is not even heard from? and a significant number want PvP unlocked after 10 like now.
I put +1 so i fail to see where I was mad at PvP, i can see where you are mad i put +1 to PvP being kept behind lvl 10 though. I never said a thing about the devs either, I know the game is both PvE & PvP, that doesn't mean people need to skip 10 levels just because it takes time. It's a MMO for gods sake, the clue to 'takes time' should be in the MMORPG
Originally posted by Dillig I can see into the future. there will be many threads from the PvP crowd that will say. OMG why do I have to PvE to get skyshards from the PvE content I should just get them when I hit 0!
What if . . . they dropped the PvE component all together and also didn't waste your time with crafting or fiddling with character stats. Instead they create a large range of preset characters who have different role types, like one could be a "controller" and one could be a "glass cannon" and so on. Maybe have like 80 different present. It's not like everyone want to play dress up with their character anyway, so why make them do it? It's just preset.
Then you could just log on, you don't even need a game world since you just want to do the PvP part, so make it a lobby. Then you click "Play" and it matches you with an opposing team and you can get your pvp on.
I think we should call it Elder Legends, or maybe League of Scrolls, hmmm, Defense of the Elder Scrolls! No, it needs to be more catchy . . . let's see . . . Defense of the Alliance! Yes, that's perfect, that way people can call it DotA for short. Rolls right off the tongue.
What if . . . they dropped the PvE component all together and also didn't waste your time with crafting or fiddling with character stats. Instead they create a large range of preset characters who have different role types, like one could be a "controller" and one could be a "glass cannon" and so on. Maybe have like 80 different present. It's not like everyone want to play dress up with their character anyway, so why make them do it? It's just preset.
Then you could just log on, you don't even need a game world since you just want to do the PvP part, so make it a lobby. Then you click "Play" and it matches you with an opposing team and you can get your pvp on.
I think we should call it Elder Legends, or maybe League of Scrolls, hmmm, Defense of the Elder Scrolls! No, it needs to be more catchy . . . let's see . . . Defense of the Alliance! Yes, that's perfect, that way people can call it DotA for short. Rolls right off the tongue.
Too much work. PVP should have an "auto-resolve" option. You can just let it run unattended while you compose a new poll.
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
No, no instant gratification, no bloody shortcuts.
We should be made to endure 6 months of pve grind, with all voiced quests with long dialogues that can not be skipped, before you would even smell the pvp part. Then, with your eyes swollen and bleeding you could enter, just to be slaughtered by the ones that entered long before you...
If you are longing for instant fun, dont play rpg games, just buy some porn.
Some company needs to make a mmo just for pvp crowd, lets say as they seem impatient .. 1 level so they don't waste time getting to it?
Just lots of different skill options they could learn through battling others, no monsters to PvE, no quests, just a world of players to kill, in a friendly way ofcourse (say 'hi' first, 'how are you' while you try to kneecap him and 'bye then' as you strangle him and watch his eyes bulge)
Some company needs to make a mmo just for pvp crowd, lets say as they seem impatient .. 1 level so they don't waste time getting to it?
Just lots of different skill options they could learn through battling others, no monsters to PvE, no quests, just a world of players to kill, in a friendly way ofcourse (say 'hi' first, 'how are you' while you try to kneecap him and 'bye then' as you strangle him and watch his eyes bulge)
Sounds like you just described Planetside 2. Not sure as I haven't tried it but I did play planetside
Not sure why I think it's not a good idea, since I'll probably spend a lot of time in the PVP zone. Maybe just out of principle. As someone said above: no shortcuts.
I see no reason why anyone should be "forced" to reach level 10 before they are allowed to start PVP.
That said, I suspect that anyone who considers reaching L10 in ESO to be an "insufferable grind" will most likely not be around very long anyways. But even if they burn out before their free 30 days are up, at least ZOS can sell them a box, which is a nice chunk of cash.
Should we be allowed to skip level grind to play Cyrodil PvP?
Seem like a large useless grind simply to unlock PvP aspect of the game.
I understand that PvE is another important aspect of the game, but does it really need to block off the PvP to unlock it?
What if you couldnt play the PvE gameplay until you unlocked a certain rank in PvP? How would you like that?
OP, I voted no. Let me ask you a question, if ZeniMax allowed you to skip all low level content and participate in AvA from level 1, what exactly would you hope to achieve as a lvl 1 player in Cyrodill with no combat abilities? Even though you gain significant buffs in Cyrodill, the reason you have to get to level 10 first is so you can have a few abilities in combat and for newer players to acclimated to the game before taking the plunge in AvA. Personally, I think this is reasonable and prudent policy and I have no problem spending the give or take 10 hours to make it to level 10 before entering AvA Combat.
Should we be allowed to skip level grind to play Cyrodil PvP?
Seem like a large useless grind simply to unlock PvP aspect of the game.
I understand that PvE is another important aspect of the game, but does it really need to block off the PvP to unlock it?
What if you couldnt play the PvE gameplay until you unlocked a certain rank in PvP? How would you like that?
it's only 10 levels - not that much really.
Also the very idea od game resolving (in result) totally around RvR reminds me of WAR. As much as RvR there was fun still PvE aspect of the game, even if initially being developed, was abandoned shortly after. Needless to say to what it led (as one of major factors). I think that ZOS has a good balance between those two and there is no need to change that.
Originally posted by nerovipus32If you feel the game is a grind and want to skip most of the game well you're probably better off playing something else.
+1
and another +1
If you feel this game has any chance of competing with other MMO's strictly on a PvE front, you're dellusional as like it or not a significant portion of the players are interested at least partially in PvP if not entirely.
Some of us prefer other games for PvE or prefer PvP entirely, regardless don't be mad the devs clearly mean to support both groups of players, including those who find PvE tedious and grindy. Hence the entire AvA allure
you do know that the larger pb is not even heard from? and a significant number want PvP unlocked after 10 like now.
I put +1 so i fail to see where I was mad at PvP, i can see where you are mad i put +1 to PvP being kept behind lvl 10 though. I never said a thing about the devs either, I know the game is both PvE & PvP, that doesn't mean people need to skip 10 levels just because it takes time. It's a MMO for gods sake, the clue to 'takes time' should be in the MMORPG
Who cares which pb is larger quite frankly?
The entire post that was "+1" indicated if you felt the game was a grind it was "not for you" and you should skip it.
Clearly a group exists that is not interestedin PvE and vice versa. A grind is subjective, for example i find PvE activities to be motonous and boring in a game such as this, while another player might find engaging in PvP via AvA to be the same. They could argue what i enjoy as a "grind", yet your point is still completely silly to incite one group to "leave the game" for not enjoying an aspect they are not interested in the first place.
OP gave a perfect example when they asked if PvE players would PvP til lvl 10 before having access to their preferred content.
In the end, your comment about 'takes time' makes absolutely no sense. The #1 most logged hours in an online game is LoL. More time than any other and the players are engaging in PvP. Time is not a measure of if something feels grindy, it is the redundancy and lack of stimulation that merits this qualification.
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Its so funny seeing history repeat itself.
The answer is no. You need those 10 levels to learn your skills, help you feel realm pride, make friends in the open world, and make the world seem populated.
When DAoC gave the option to jump to level 20 and go to battlegrounds, it killed the game population because the world became dead and no one grouped with newbies.
Grinding repeatable PvE quests in Cyrodiil is currently the fastest way to level. There are 2 quests that literally ask you to go across the river and click 3 things and kill one person. The return and repeat.
I am sure it will get nerfed, but it was about 10x faster than PvE area questing or dungeons.
How can you say I am better off playing something else, when I want to play the AvA which is in this game?
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Quinnipiac's got nothin' on you.
I agree with you. It seems far too many people have the attention span of a goldfish.
Yes. The more players bolstered to 50 with only 1 skill on their single bar the better!
No, really trust me on this one... come one come all!
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
and another +1
As someone who spent 4 hours yesterday learning the dynamics of the game, configuring keybinds, and completing redundant PvE content just to see a beta weekend come to a close because I work Mon-Fri and have a life, I find your message to be misleading and nonsensical.
Some of us prefer to engage in challenges against other logical sentient beings, as opposed to sitting in a chair for hours mindlessly completing routine activities against AI which frankly other games provide a better challenge/implementation of.
I can't comprehend how you find the OP to be misleading or nonsensical unless you fail to recognize this different playerbase.
If you feel this game has any chance of competing with other MMO's strictly on a PvE front, you're dellusional as like it or not a significant portion of the players are interested at least partially in PvP if not entirely.
Some of us prefer other games for PvE or prefer PvP entirely, regardless don't be mad the devs clearly mean to support both groups of players, including those who find PvE tedious and grindy. Hence the entire AvA allure
There Is Always Hope!
walking 200 feet doesn't take 4-8 hours.
I can see into the future.
there will be many threads from the PvP crowd that will say.
OMG why do I have to PvE to get skyshards from the PvE content I should just get them when I hit 50!
and another +1
If you feel this game has any chance of competing with other MMO's strictly on a PvE front, you're dellusional as like it or not a significant portion of the players are interested at least partially in PvP if not entirely.
Some of us prefer other games for PvE or prefer PvP entirely, regardless don't be mad the devs clearly mean to support both groups of players, including those who find PvE tedious and grindy. Hence the entire AvA allure
you do know that the larger pb is not even heard from? and a significant number want PvP unlocked after 10 like now.
I put +1 so i fail to see where I was mad at PvP, i can see where you are mad i put +1 to PvP being kept behind lvl 10 though. I never said a thing about the devs either, I know the game is both PvE & PvP, that doesn't mean people need to skip 10 levels just because it takes time. It's a MMO for gods sake, the clue to 'takes time' should be in the MMORPG
Edited that for you ;-)
What if . . . they dropped the PvE component all together and also didn't waste your time with crafting or fiddling with character stats. Instead they create a large range of preset characters who have different role types, like one could be a "controller" and one could be a "glass cannon" and so on. Maybe have like 80 different present. It's not like everyone want to play dress up with their character anyway, so why make them do it? It's just preset.
Then you could just log on, you don't even need a game world since you just want to do the PvP part, so make it a lobby. Then you click "Play" and it matches you with an opposing team and you can get your pvp on.
I think we should call it Elder Legends, or maybe League of Scrolls, hmmm, Defense of the Elder Scrolls! No, it needs to be more catchy . . . let's see . . . Defense of the Alliance! Yes, that's perfect, that way people can call it DotA for short. Rolls right off the tongue.
Too much work. PVP should have an "auto-resolve" option. You can just let it run unattended while you compose a new poll.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
No, no instant gratification, no bloody shortcuts.
We should be made to endure 6 months of pve grind, with all voiced quests with long dialogues that can not be skipped, before you would even smell the pvp part. Then, with your eyes swollen and bleeding you could enter, just to be slaughtered by the ones that entered long before you...
If you are longing for instant fun, dont play rpg games, just buy some porn.
Some company needs to make a mmo just for pvp crowd, lets say as they seem impatient .. 1 level so they don't waste time getting to it?
Just lots of different skill options they could learn through battling others, no monsters to PvE, no quests, just a world of players to kill, in a friendly way ofcourse (say 'hi' first, 'how are you' while you try to kneecap him and 'bye then' as you strangle him and watch his eyes bulge)
Sounds like you just described Planetside 2. Not sure as I haven't tried it but I did play planetside
I've been naughty and voted no.
Not sure why I think it's not a good idea, since I'll probably spend a lot of time in the PVP zone. Maybe just out of principle. As someone said above: no shortcuts.
I see no reason why anyone should be "forced" to reach level 10 before they are allowed to start PVP.
That said, I suspect that anyone who considers reaching L10 in ESO to be an "insufferable grind" will most likely not be around very long anyways. But even if they burn out before their free 30 days are up, at least ZOS can sell them a box, which is a nice chunk of cash.
OP, I voted no. Let me ask you a question, if ZeniMax allowed you to skip all low level content and participate in AvA from level 1, what exactly would you hope to achieve as a lvl 1 player in Cyrodill with no combat abilities? Even though you gain significant buffs in Cyrodill, the reason you have to get to level 10 first is so you can have a few abilities in combat and for newer players to acclimated to the game before taking the plunge in AvA. Personally, I think this is reasonable and prudent policy and I have no problem spending the give or take 10 hours to make it to level 10 before entering AvA Combat.
it's only 10 levels - not that much really.
Also the very idea od game resolving (in result) totally around RvR reminds me of WAR. As much as RvR there was fun still PvE aspect of the game, even if initially being developed, was abandoned shortly after. Needless to say to what it led (as one of major factors). I think that ZOS has a good balance between those two and there is no need to change that.
Who cares which pb is larger quite frankly?
The entire post that was "+1" indicated if you felt the game was a grind it was "not for you" and you should skip it.
Clearly a group exists that is not interestedin PvE and vice versa. A grind is subjective, for example i find PvE activities to be motonous and boring in a game such as this, while another player might find engaging in PvP via AvA to be the same. They could argue what i enjoy as a "grind", yet your point is still completely silly to incite one group to "leave the game" for not enjoying an aspect they are not interested in the first place.
OP gave a perfect example when they asked if PvE players would PvP til lvl 10 before having access to their preferred content.
In the end, your comment about 'takes time' makes absolutely no sense. The #1 most logged hours in an online game is LoL. More time than any other and the players are engaging in PvP. Time is not a measure of if something feels grindy, it is the redundancy and lack of stimulation that merits this qualification.