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The end of EVE ?????
Widgetman
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in EVE Online
Im just amazed at the fact people have put EVE-Online in this area of awards?
It was a great game but is now totally ruined by people Macro mining , and Sweatshop owners running mining units from the East. Its barely been playable for the last 2 Months, this is also after an upgrade.
When i read the rating on EVE if amazed me , it looks like people just write good/ great reviews without really playing the game?
I wish Eve could come back as a new game again , but my fear is that the CCP organisation have begun to cash in on a Once great game.......R.I.P. Eve
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If you are getting huge amounts of lag you are either
A. In a core system. (Ironforge by WOW terms)
B. Are French (because one of their providers sucks at games.)
C. Participate in large scale PVP regularly.
Which of those three do you do?
Umm, Macro miners have ruined the game? What they reduced the cost of base ores by flooding the market? I don't know what you did the entire time in Eve, but I only saw one Macro'r and he got blown away by an Apoc as I ran away hoping the Apoc didn't notice the Tech 1 frigate nearby. They haven't ruined the game, I mean come on If you complain about them ruining Eve, have a look at other MMO's, FFXI was ruined. Eve isn't there yet, and Eve money isn't worth that much. I see no point for people buying it in the first place. Let alone macroing it cause they can...
"Just because there are other colours to use in chat does not mean you have to use them..." - Please follow
If lag was the end of an MMO, then there would be none around - aside from the fact that serious Empire wide lag is only been there for a few days, and can be partly attributed to the recent hacker attack. The same about macroers. CCP is aware of the problem and are taking measures to limit it. The few times I petitioned Macroers I was taken very seriously and response time was very good, indicating that also the GMs are doing their best in this matter.
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Originally posted by Mandolin
Designers need to move away from the old D&D level-based model which was never designed for player vs player combat in the first place.
I have tried quite a few other MMORPGs and Eve is the one I keep coming back too. The game has more depth and options than any other game I have looked at. The only other game that ever held my attention for more than 2 weeks was City of Heros. it lasted for 3 months and then I again found I longed for Eve.
As for microminers, I have only ever seen two or three of them, not impressed with their so called massive numbers. CCP is taking steps to counter them as well. As for lag, there is some with every game. In Eve I found that it is 90% based on the system you are in. The core system is clogged with players, move out just one or two jumps and the lag is greatly reduced.
I would say Eve is FAR from dead. The game has recently started it's own, HIGH QUALITY magazine and expansion plans are running full tilt. Plus I love the fact that you get expansions without extra cost to enjoy them.
Eve is very much alive and thriving..
Player numbers soaring, new content, good communication with the devs etc etc
I joined eve in August and the average number of players i see online has almost doubled in that time....
Eves dying?
Not entirely correct really...
In Late February, CCP are COMPLETELY REPLACING ALL SERVERS with a new 64bit system.
It is expected to perform in excess of 3 times as well as existing hardware.
I think after that it will be a question of lag? what lag?
Re; Macrominers; you are clueless. Eve has the LEAST farming problem of any MMO I have played. The players ACTIVELY kill macroers. Its beautiful.
Best.Game.Ever.
Macro miners make my ships cheaper! I love macro miners! We'll not really.... A group of macro miners in 0.4 space makes a pirate wet himself with joy.
Eve has a future thats so open ended its amazing. They can do so much with this game, its what every game company should aim for. One of the possibilities is that they'll make an asain server with new races and new star systems. When the asain community has enough time to catch up they will join the servers and ignite the first online MMO East Vs West war. Old enemies will have to join together and CCP will have one of the biggest MMO wars ever fought. Just the thought of doing something like that is amazing and it could happen within a year or two.
Every time i take a month or two off the game I come back and find another few thousand players online. When i started my break 19k players was the record. I log on on a monday night and find 19,231 players online.
This game it far form dead.
War, against Asia O.O War against ASIA! Oh man, I think I might be over here, in the Oceanasia region of the world! So bring it on West world. Bring it on! Us East gonna take you down [in prep for war >.<] [don't mind me] Yeah, I first played in 2003 there were like 5k online at a time in peak. Now when I log on even in the low time frame (which i'm stuck in on the other side of the world) there are 13-18k easy. And once, I got on and there were 21k how can a game be dieing if its max players online at any time jumps by 1 thousand a week for 5 weeks, then its player subscription numbers jumps by 20k in 4 months. This game isn't dead, dieing or even being assaulted is just crazy, Eve is growing faster then ever before and soon, when it hits the asian market. Think of the numbers... think of the numbers!
"Just because there are other colours to use in chat does not mean you have to use them..." - Please follow
Talk to people. Leave empire. It's better out here.
Sure, it's dangerous. I had my entrails handed to me on a plate yesterday. But as a result, I saved a friends battleship for the mere cost of one clone plus implants from which I had already gotten about 7 months use (just +1s and one +2 and some cheap 500k combat mods). I think I'll replace the combat mods.
Will I say I'm making more money that ever? Well no, but maybe if the war wasn't on I might be.. if I actually ever bothered to venture out and sell my hoarde of decent mods I've acquired I'd probably be giggling insanely at the thousands of rifters and shuttles I could afford. Money kind of loses meaning out here. A clone means, "oh kill 4-10 belt rats."
It's so exciting though. There are only a few systems that have mysterious lag, but the other ones that are full of two entire alliances' junk run just fine. The good pvp, where you have to stop Mr.Evil but persevering merc grunt #2 from getting to your space tend to make me need to ss for a little while and lie down afterwards till I am able to blink again. Yeah, the bubbles can be a pain, and the chokepoints are lame, but once you get past those, it's pretty darn safe so long as you keep local open and your group has a scout wandering about once in a while.
And for those who just can't stand alliances.. it's not the same as it used to be. There's more freelancers about. Call yourself a freelancer, and in many cases, the pirates and oldest, most skilled pk groups won't bother to hunt you actively. They may even encourage you. The alliances with noobish corps with inflated egoes will still shoot anything no blue at the chokepoints, but they don't wander too far in most cases. And if you're mobile at all, you are 10x more than they will ever be, especially the POS tender category.
Just don't go out there with State War Academy stamped in your bio, or no standing at all to npc groups. Then everyone will make you KOS. All you need to do is pick your favorite ship, and choose the npcs which will drop the best mods for you for the most reasonable effort. Find a station that's ok (in a shuttle.. with an alt perhaps.. making instas along the way). Then smuggle a few cheap bpos and bpcs with you. The next step is learning the usual cycles of the chokepoint campers and smuggle in some big secure containers and anchor them at ss in your favorite systems with an industrial. Noone can do a scan probe search for cans. Fill those with ammo and the better loot you find. If you're near a station, you can also haul the inferior loot to be reprocessed. Generally not needed in most cases though, as with the money you'll be making you can just put in a higher than average trit order for that area. It'll get filled eventually even if you set up a local order.
Pirates got you down? Want to live a non-confrontational life? Pirates are actually easier to deal with than alliances. Just ask them how much money they want for a month pass instead of logging out. If it's reasonable, the pirates just gave you cheap protection from a lot of traffic in that area. If it's bloody minded alliance people, duck out by logging and talk to their industrial groups. Warn them off a bubble camp you heard about or saw. They'll probably have some schema for established neutrals or joining some kindof affiliate blah blah blah. Just let them do most of the talking. It makes them feel better.
The two times I ran into macro minners I stole all of the ore the first run in and the second time I blew away their hauler with my T1 frig. Why because the open game mechanics let me do it.
Hm. Player numbers are steadily growing. A new expansion was launched. All of this are sure signs of a dying game.
First post at all and already bashing without substance.
I smell a Troll
I could care less about the macrominers.
Nobody wanted to mine veld anyway.
The only problem I have with macro'ers are the fact that the belts I usually go to are near empty, but other than that, they don't bug me.
Mcromining is the least of mij worries, there are lot af players who hate them in eve so, they will be ransacked the most. The new sort of thieving has emerged.
Hacking infact makes most off my worries . A new pasword is one but they also know your inlogname now. Hacked on sunday while playing eve you get thrown out he takes your isk till last isk. Losses 584 mil Isk. There goes my well saved isk too buy a new clone/ship/skill/minerals/bpo. I still wait for answer from CCP but i made a petition in 5 minutes get answer 1 hour later it was in investigation.
And how will it be dealt with. Because now i do not feel so safe on eve any more.
AK
LOL. I havnt seen a macrominer once! Man they sure ruined the game!
I'm mostly into combat, so cheaper ships aren't hurting me any. When I do mine with corpmates and the like, I still find plenty of rocks to grind. And like the dude earlier said, ISK isn't selling for jack on eBay or wherever else, and it takes a ton of time to make massive isk off veldspar 
Plus I'd like to find some macrominerrs to pop, sounds like fun!
EVE's end is VERY far off. It only stands to get better and better.
The system I hang out in used to have an average of 14 people and most were corp mates. It now has an average of 27-30 and all but a few are macro'rs. They only mine the ice belt though. We (the corp) have a setup now when the rocks finally respawn we get a huge mining op going and wipe the entire system of the good stuff and then sometimes take 1-2 belts for giggles.
We had a system with the macro's where you can steal most of they're ore without showing up as red then you place the can out. Eventually one ship (usually the hauler) will come back and take the ore back. He then flashes red and you blast him. A couple of us were having fun doing this with one group of the macro's but they seem to have acquired the help of a pirate that way outdoes me (I'm still a newb for the most part). Finding macro's are usually pretty easy. Look for names like lahsdflashh or in groups they might have similarities (like we have blue dog, red dog, live dog in one group in my system.) When rats attack some may attack them and some may attack you. You'll notice that they only fire on the rats attacking them or in one case I saw a BS fly in and attack it. Wth that particualr time I decided the check some of the other belts and saw that 3 belts had 3 exhumers each and the BS was warping to each location that needed help. Clever programming I thought.
Every gme you play will always have MM's in them but atleast with Eve you've got the ability to mess up theyre ops. And yes most people like the fact that minerals are far cheaper along with items and what not but in my case being a miner myself I sometimes have to jump up to 18 systems just to get a good deal.
Wow you're confident.
I would expect that month to be the lag month from hell.
Eve is dead set on pushing player limits to newer and bigger limits each month.
Eachtime I read of new heights in concurrent server population I am cheered.
Eve however is consequently one of the laggiest games on the market. As long as they persist in their endeavours in this regard, it will continue to lag.
If they beat the lag they will add new players until it lags again and then udgrade again etc etc etc. It really can test your patience. I am inspired by great network feats, I love to read about them.
[Just want to see their systems.... So I can drool... Quite off topic here but... CCP system is my dream machine from the future >.<] [Don't mind me I'm off topic]
"Just because there are other colours to use in chat does not mean you have to use them..." - Please follow
I heard of one guy that was stealing from a macro miner in secure space. Its less risky but lots of people don't use secure cans like they should.
I saw my first macrominers just a few days ago - 4 apocs mining in a belt, with one industrial (all with names like "djsjh"). Since I was in a raven battleship and fitted for PvP, I just moved up and moved their ore to my own can, which I named the same as theirs. Unfortunately, the macroer came back to his keyboard in time to stop the industrial from automatically moving stuff from the can, otherwise I would've happily shot him up.
He then moved his macro gang off to another belt...where I promptly followed him. I kept doing this until he gave up and stopped trying to mine.
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
i dont normally do this but
QFT
They have already said that they will be doing more frequent evaluations and upgrades, so it will be easier to keep on top of these issues in the future. As for being one of the laggiest games on the market, not in my experience. I had FAR more lag issues in WoW than I have ever had in EVE.
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MMOs Retired From: Earth and Beyond, Project Entropia, There, A Tale in the Desert, Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft, Eve Online, City of Heroes/Villains.
MMOs Currently (worth) Playing: None.
MMO hopefuls: Age of Conan.