(my sneaky Shadowblade had its second home in there)
And perhaps early BC WoW with its gated raid access (that's when raiding still was meaningful and an accomplishment)
take DF, Wurm Online and Skyrim put them all in a blender taking out all the bad parts from each and the world would have the most perfect MMO ever in the history of the universe.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Originally posted by Kevyne-Shandris Grandpa as to pass the baton to his kids, not selfishly cling on to it.
Not if grandpa still wants to run
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Originally posted by Kevyne-Shandris Grandpa as to pass the baton to his kids, not selfishly cling on to it.
Heh...Senior citizens have some of the most powerful political lobbying groups that exist. They obviously don't listen to you :)Grandpa should speak up and let people know what kind of games he likes else people won't know that there's any market at all for those games.What makes the preferences of older gamers less valid than those of younger gamers? Obviously the market will go where the most money is and let's face it, most teenagers don't have the experience to judge quality so it's easy to sell them crap but I'm sure there is at least a niche market of older gamers. Companies are throwing away money if they just ignore that.
GTA says hi. Their market is everyone. Everyone is playing too.
Dagnabbit! I guess I am a "nobody" then. I certainly am not playing ANY GTA games. Never will, either. I have no desire what-so-ever to play a thug.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
SWG was the best MMORPG ever made. If they would have just fixed the bugs, and left the core gameplay alone, it would still be going strong today. The game that can bring those elements back will save the industry.
Lets add a decent story to the genre - SWTOR ($200 Million annual revenue).
Apparently, people liked having a good story in their MMOs; who knew?
I do not like a good story in my MMO and no I am not trolling
and i do like a good story in my MMO. Player created drama is not stories.
Better yet, MMOs should learn from SP games to craft and present good stories. There should be more use of scripting events, and stuff like that. The stories in MMO sucks mostly because it is all presented in either text or someone standing there talking. Look at a game like Dishonored ...
spoiler .....
the assassination of the queen is played out in a combo of gameplay and scripting, and it was great.
Only thing I can put on this list because most of what I see is cons not pros but that isn't what this post is about.
Mounts! OMG there are so much better since DAOC had the first horse to ride and it wasn't controlled.
More about mounts - now there are capturable mounts, breedable mounts, craftable mounts, an color-customizable-mounts! Awesome!!! (not all in the same MMO, and most mmos still have none of these features, but eh, these innovations are fairly likely to pop up more in future MMOs.)
Faction reputation which affects NPC dialogue and interaction options is probably my favorite MMO innovation. ^_^
Star Wars Galaxies
Originally posted by jesad
Heck, let's do a few more.
11. Offline Market Stalls - Age of Wushu/Wulin - 2013 Star Wars Galaxies-2003
12. Bounty Hunting - Age of Wushu/Wulin - 2013 Star Wars Galaxies-2003
13. Random magical effects for crafted items - Age of Wushu/Wulin - 2013 (not magic but attributes) Star Wars Galaxies-2003
14. Pay per chat zone chat restrictions - Age of Wushu/Wulin - 2013 (this is more a scamm than an innovation)
I really don't think you have any idea dude. That game is a beast of innovation. It just fails in the execution of some other things, namely, keeping the riff raff out. But then that's how it makes its money so what are ya gonna do?
Lets add a decent story to the genre - SWTOR ($200 Million annual revenue).
Apparently, people liked having a good story in their MMOs; who knew?
I do not like a good story in my MMO and no I am not trolling
I completely agree with SEANMCAD
If i want a good story ill play a single player game like Bioshock
in an MMORG i am looking for a living breathing world where each person has their role in history. Player A is a grunt in a large war. all he does is goes out and kills shit. Player B is a guild leader (most likely with no real life/job and live in their parent's basement) and becomes a general in an army. He will lead all the player As to victory,
an MMORG is not the place for a storyline where everyone and their grandmothers are the heros and save the day!
in an MMORG i am looking for a living breathing world where each person has their role in history. Player A is a grunt in a large war. all he does is goes out and kills shit. Player B is a guild leader (most likely with no real life/job and live in their parent's basement) and becomes a general in an army. He will lead all the player As to victory,
an MMORG is not the place for a storyline where everyone and their grandmothers are the heros and save the day!
EVE is a little like this. I wish more MMOs would use the military idea as a model. It seems the perfect way to have many people working together for a common goals in a plausible way. You could also have actual crafting guilds run by NPCs or special players that could provide a similar structure for the less martially inclined.
I think the biggest thing hampering MMOs from creating a decent world and story is this attitude where everybody has to be the special snowflake hero of the realm. It works in a single player game but The Witcher would become retarded fast if there were 10000 clones of Geralt all running around doing the same quests. I don't know why MMOs don't relize this and move past this mode of storytelling.
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
11. Offline Market Stalls - Age of Wushu/Wulin - 2013
12. Bounty Hunting - Age of Wushu/Wulin - 2013
13. Random magical effects for crafted items - Age of Wushu/Wulin - 2013
14. Pay per chat zone chat restrictions - Age of Wushu/Wulin - 2013
Pretty much everything I have named has been something that I have enjoyed.
I agree, no other mmo comes close to innovation of Age Of Wushu, no other mmo has the offline system or the bounty system of AOW. Again i agree about the crafting system but you also have the prison system which was here before ArcheAge. Then we have Age Of Wyshu's weather system, the list goes on and on.
Vanguards diplomacy system once you figured it out.
I wish I could take a piece of everything I liked from mmo's and make one big mmo out of them. Most impressive to me was Mabinogi's music system. Nothing has ever topped that ever. You could write songs, play them on any instrument, and form bands in game with other players. I really wish game makers would take the time to look at other games and see what was done right.
Tho I don't like the graphics Minecraft has liberties no other mmo has - yes Minecraft is an mmo now.
Perfect World International lets gold sellers sell on the auction house. It was a "if you can't beat them then join them" tactic and it keeps them from spamming chat. I don't care what they do so long as they stop sending me /tell or shouting in game chat.
World of Warcraft catch and keep a pet to hunt at your side was the best part of that game. Although I would not have shrunk the pets down after caught.
World of Warcraft's t-rex in the dinosaur zone. I loved that t-rex with all my heart.
Games that visit sick kids in hospitals and let them make a quest or something to do with the game. Like the doggie quest for the cow people made by a boy with cancer in WoW. I've seen this done in other games. That compassion outreach stuff is awesome.
FFXIV creating Manthras and just any game that doesn't force us to look at females only or make females the only sex objects. Men can be sexy to.
FFXI's chocobo breeding.
Adding content, races, zones, and constant maintenance in a game. Maintenance sucks but I've played games without it and I would rather wait than play a borked game. I want something to look forward to so patches and not just for end game high levels. Something for everyone and keep the game from breaking. FFXIV seems to be leading in this aspect so far.
Mabinogi's buying pets and mounts with irl cash. Yep, I'm pro cash shop - IF DONE RIGHT. The game still gives you free mount/pets so it's not a NEED. It's a want.
Mabinogi's fashion wardrobe slot. You don't like the look of your armor? No problem, just turn on the fashion slot and wear clothes over your armor. Still benefit from armor stats.
The old fashion tab/mouse point click targeting move with WASD and not this new system of move with mouse and fire spells with WASD. I'm look stupid here but idk what that's called. I hate it. The old way was better.
MMO's before "party kick" became popular. I hate party kick it is always abused by trolls who kick nice people instead of what it was intended for.
MMO's before pvp became a requirement.
MMO's before headsets became a requirement.
I've never played a simulation mmo but know peeps tried to make them but couldn't get them off the ground and flying. To all those still born simulated worlds I'm still hoping someone will pull this idea off.
Most impressive to me was Mabinogi's music system. Nothing has ever topped that ever. You could write songs, play them on any instrument, and form bands in game with other players.
.....
Mabinogi's fashion wardrobe slot. You don't like the look of your armor? No problem, just turn on the fashion slot and wear clothes over your armor. Still benefit from armor stats.
It's even better than Mabinogi in the sense its sole purpose is having fun and roleplay, so there are no buffs, no skills to grind, etc. just grab an instrument and start playing (or, if you're not a minstrel, ask one to teach you for playing on the "tougher" ones - but anyone can play at least 2-3 instruments by default).
Same goes to cosmetic outfits, if you like to have a fashion slot, you'll be blown away with the wardrobe system in there. http://cosmeticlotro.wordpress.com/
I wish I could take a piece of everything I liked from mmo's and make one big mmo out of them.
Now there's a statement I can agree with 100%!
I want to help design and develop a PvE-focused, solo-friendly, sandpark MMO which combines crafting, monster hunting, and story. So PM me if you are starting one.
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DF !
(my sneaky Shadowblade had its second home in there)
And perhaps early BC WoW with its gated raid access (that's when raiding still was meaningful and an accomplishment)
take DF, Wurm Online and Skyrim put them all in a blender taking out all the bad parts from each and the world would have the most perfect MMO ever in the history of the universe.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Lets add a decent story to the genre - SWTOR ($200 Million annual revenue).
Apparently, people liked having a good story in their MMOs; who knew?
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
I do not like a good story in my MMO and no I am not trolling
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I'd rather have a good story than a bad one.
Course you can go all 'Minecraft / DayZ' and have 'No Story' which is fine.
Issue is that you get a divide in 'Lore' and 'Story'; with no clear way to progress the world 'forward'.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
I like player created stories by playing the game like Darkfall
http://darkfall-history.wikispaces.com/World+War+1
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
and i do like a good story in my MMO. Player created drama is not stories.
Better yet, MMOs should learn from SP games to craft and present good stories. There should be more use of scripting events, and stuff like that. The stories in MMO sucks mostly because it is all presented in either text or someone standing there talking. Look at a game like Dishonored ...
spoiler .....
the assassination of the queen is played out in a combo of gameplay and scripting, and it was great.
Star Wars Galaxies
Fixed
and from your previous post Age of Wushu/Wulin only innovated
6. Area based group skill enhancement (Team Practice) - Age of Wushu/Wulin - 2013
everything else has been done prior to 2005
IMO the best MMO's came out around the year 1999-2003, all the rest seem like crap.
I completely agree with SEANMCAD
If i want a good story ill play a single player game like Bioshock
in an MMORG i am looking for a living breathing world where each person has their role in history. Player A is a grunt in a large war. all he does is goes out and kills shit. Player B is a guild leader (most likely with no real life/job and live in their parent's basement) and becomes a general in an army. He will lead all the player As to victory,
an MMORG is not the place for a storyline where everyone and their grandmothers are the heros and save the day!
EVE is a little like this. I wish more MMOs would use the military idea as a model. It seems the perfect way to have many people working together for a common goals in a plausible way. You could also have actual crafting guilds run by NPCs or special players that could provide a similar structure for the less martially inclined.
I think the biggest thing hampering MMOs from creating a decent world and story is this attitude where everybody has to be the special snowflake hero of the realm. It works in a single player game but The Witcher would become retarded fast if there were 10000 clones of Geralt all running around doing the same quests. I don't know why MMOs don't relize this and move past this mode of storytelling.
Do you mean MMORPG or simple MMO?
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
You don't count City of Heroes Mission Architect? http://cityofheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Mission_Architect
FYI: In CoH missions = quests.
Ref:
http://kotaku.com/5161479/the-city-of-heroes-mission-architect-explained
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/05/25/some-assembly-required-city-of-heroes-mission-architect/
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
I agree, no other mmo comes close to innovation of Age Of Wushu, no other mmo has the offline system or the bounty system of AOW. Again i agree about the crafting system but you also have the prison system which was here before ArcheAge. Then we have Age Of Wyshu's weather system, the list goes on and on.
Vanguards diplomacy system once you figured it out.
That is a very narrow view.
If there is a good story in a MMO, why should i not play it just because it is labeled differently?
If the devs put bioshock in a MMO instance, i am in. It is the same game whether you call it MMO or not.
I wish I could take a piece of everything I liked from mmo's and make one big mmo out of them. Most impressive to me was Mabinogi's music system. Nothing has ever topped that ever. You could write songs, play them on any instrument, and form bands in game with other players. I really wish game makers would take the time to look at other games and see what was done right.
Tho I don't like the graphics Minecraft has liberties no other mmo has - yes Minecraft is an mmo now.
Perfect World International lets gold sellers sell on the auction house. It was a "if you can't beat them then join them" tactic and it keeps them from spamming chat. I don't care what they do so long as they stop sending me /tell or shouting in game chat.
World of Warcraft catch and keep a pet to hunt at your side was the best part of that game. Although I would not have shrunk the pets down after caught.
World of Warcraft's t-rex in the dinosaur zone. I loved that t-rex with all my heart.
Games that visit sick kids in hospitals and let them make a quest or something to do with the game. Like the doggie quest for the cow people made by a boy with cancer in WoW. I've seen this done in other games. That compassion outreach stuff is awesome.
FFXIV creating Manthras and just any game that doesn't force us to look at females only or make females the only sex objects. Men can be sexy to.
FFXI's chocobo breeding.
Adding content, races, zones, and constant maintenance in a game. Maintenance sucks but I've played games without it and I would rather wait than play a borked game. I want something to look forward to so patches and not just for end game high levels. Something for everyone and keep the game from breaking. FFXIV seems to be leading in this aspect so far.
Mabinogi's buying pets and mounts with irl cash. Yep, I'm pro cash shop - IF DONE RIGHT. The game still gives you free mount/pets so it's not a NEED. It's a want.
Mabinogi's fashion wardrobe slot. You don't like the look of your armor? No problem, just turn on the fashion slot and wear clothes over your armor. Still benefit from armor stats.
The old fashion tab/mouse point click targeting move with WASD and not this new system of move with mouse and fire spells with WASD. I'm look stupid here but idk what that's called. I hate it. The old way was better.
MMO's before "party kick" became popular. I hate party kick it is always abused by trolls who kick nice people instead of what it was intended for.
MMO's before pvp became a requirement.
MMO's before headsets became a requirement.
I've never played a simulation mmo but know peeps tried to make them but couldn't get them off the ground and flying. To all those still born simulated worlds I'm still hoping someone will pull this idea off.
Dragons.
Elves.
Drow.
Vampires.
3D !!!!!!! fancy
If you like music, check LotRO
http://youtu.be/nQKJuzhmFdw
It's even better than Mabinogi in the sense its sole purpose is having fun and roleplay, so there are no buffs, no skills to grind, etc. just grab an instrument and start playing (or, if you're not a minstrel, ask one to teach you for playing on the "tougher" ones - but anyone can play at least 2-3 instruments by default).
Same goes to cosmetic outfits, if you like to have a fashion slot, you'll be blown away with the wardrobe system in there. http://cosmeticlotro.wordpress.com/
Now there's a statement I can agree with 100%!
see .. that is the inherent problem with a open world.
If the game is a lobby-based instance game, at least you can group all the low level people across server for the instanced dungeons.