However, there is so much generic fantasy MMO material, far outnumbering Elder Scrolls material.
You're going to have to explain that part to me. Which generic fantasy non-ES things are you referring to?
Not only does it not "far outnumber" the ES material, I can't think of a single thing lol.
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I will be playing ESO myself, one cause i love the series and two because I have an imagination, to make it more than what it is to most....
Imagination the lost trait of new age gamers...
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This happened with SWTOR too. They started with the Hero Engine, but it didn't meet all their needs, so it was heavily modified. What ESO now uses and what SWTOR now uses, bares little resemblance to the Hero Engine, or each other.
Yep. I get that. I get that ESO has nothing to do with SWTOR. I know that ESO uses a custom-designed engine, believe me.
Was only trying to state that ESO's roots were once shared with SWTOR. I stated it badly however.
Holy crap, im not dis-satisfied with the game at all, I just don't think it was intended to be used originally for Elder Scrolls.
It seems like a fantasy MMO adapted to Elder Scrolls rather than an Elder Scrolls game turned into a MMO.
Watch the trailers and see if you don't notice that at all.
As far as the game play and experience and what not, I'm happy and satisfied, I'm not angry at Zenimax if that's what they did, in fact it probably would have been the most profitible thing to do. This post was not intended to BASH anything or express any discontent. I just seemed to notice and it felt really obvious to me that it was a MMO skinned to look like Elder Scrolls.
Like if you download Internet Explorer and put a Google Chrome skin on it, it's still just IE.
Holy crap, im not dis-satisfied with the game at all, I just don't think it was intended to be used originally for Elder Scrolls.
It seems like a fantasy MMO adapted to Elder Scrolls rather than an Elder Scrolls game turned into a MMO.
Watch the trailers and see if you don't notice that at all.
As far as the game play and experience and what not, I'm happy and satisfied, I'm not angry at Zenimax if that's what they did, in fact it probably would have been the most profitible thing to do. This post was not intended to BASH anything or express any discontent. I just seemed to notice and it felt really obvious to me that it was a MMO skinned to look like Elder Scrolls.
Like if you download Internet Explorer and put a Google Chrome skin on it, it's still just IE.
Here's what tipped me off, my wife was watching an ESO trailer. I caught it at about the 15 second mark when I started standing over her shoulder watching it.
I couldn't figure out what game it was for, it looked like a fantasy RPG, maybe an MMO, maybe not, just like armor and swords and magic and what not, then at the end ELDER SCROLLS ONLINE.
The whole time I was watching the trailer I was wondering if it was an ESO trailer but by the end I realized it couldn't be because there was nothing elder scrolls even remotely about it. I was actually astonished when the title appeared at the end.
I've played all the elder scrolls games, and it just made me think.
Anyways, ESO is fun and I still recommend people play in the BETA tests and even buy it and join when it comes out. I just wasn't going to let this one get by me.
I will be playing ESO myself, one cause i love the series and two because I have an imagination, to make it more than what it is to most....
Imagination the lost trait of new age gamers...
cheers.
This happened with SWTOR too. They started with the Hero Engine, but it didn't meet all their needs, so it was heavily modified. What ESO now uses and what SWTOR now uses, bares little resemblance to the Hero Engine, or each other.
Bioware used an alpha copy of the engine that was never meant to be sold. it was HJ's first sale of the engine and it had no programming notes, no support, very little features, Single threaded. Even HJ did not want their engine used in it's current state but the check BW gave them for the engine was too big for a new company to pass up.
Anyone here who is a programmer that has worked on someone's project where it had no notes, and no documentation can tell you what kind of a pain it is to literally finish someone else'e project. Hero engine when BW bought it was an unfinished mess of code. By the time HJ had a commercial product Bioware's version was no longer compatible enough to recieve an updated engine.
The bottom line is Bioware management saw the prototyping demo of HE and leapt feet first into a programming nightmare. They bought the code lock stock and barrel, and put unfamiliar people to the task of finishing the engine.
ESO used the engine as a template for making their own engine. The difference is ESO never tried to make the HE work for their game like Bioware did. I'm sure ESO used bits and pieces of the HE to expedite things but they did not actually use the engine in production.
On top of that the engine Bioware used cant really be compared to the engine that ESO used as a template. It's comparing a Pre alpha internal use only engine(Bioware) which they actually used. To a finished for sale engine several generations better used only as a guide for their own engine.
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Holy crap, im not dis-satisfied with the game at all, I just don't think it was intended to be used originally for Elder Scrolls.
It seems like a fantasy MMO adapted to Elder Scrolls rather than an Elder Scrolls game turned into a MMO.
Watch the trailers and see if you don't notice that at all.
As far as the game play and experience and what not, I'm happy and satisfied, I'm not angry at Zenimax if that's what they did, in fact it probably would have been the most profitible thing to do. This post was not intended to BASH anything or express any discontent. I just seemed to notice and it felt really obvious to me that it was a MMO skinned to look like Elder Scrolls.
Like if you download Internet Explorer and put a Google Chrome skin on it, it's still just IE.
Um, aren't The Elder Scrolls game generic fantasy at it's heart? Feels akin to the Malazan Book of the Fallen series by Steven Erikson in tone and backstory. One of the hard parts of finding good books and stories is that they all starts to sound the same after awhile. It really is hard to stand out in the genre, and you wouldn’t expect an online game to stray far from the bread and butter of fantasy literature. Great gameplay around a generic story is going to go further than a great story with so-so mechanics. I’d play the former longer than the later.
OP, how about you define for us what you consider "Elder Scrolls" elements to be, as opposed to generic fantasy elements. It's hard to give you examples of things that are Elder Scrolls rather than generic fantasy in ESO when you aren't saying what you mean by the terms.
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Holy crap, im not dis-satisfied with the game at all, I just don't think it was intended to be used originally for Elder Scrolls.
It seems like a fantasy MMO adapted to Elder Scrolls rather than an Elder Scrolls game turned into a MMO.
Watch the trailers and see if you don't notice that at all.
As far as the game play and experience and what not, I'm happy and satisfied, I'm not angry at Zenimax if that's what they did, in fact it probably would have been the most profitible thing to do. This post was not intended to BASH anything or express any discontent. I just seemed to notice and it felt really obvious to me that it was a MMO skinned to look like Elder Scrolls.
Like if you download Internet Explorer and put a Google Chrome skin on it, it's still just IE.
You're not really saying anything other than "I see it....don't you see it? And the answer you're getting is "No we don't." But you don't like that answer so you just repeat the same thing again.... has it occured to you that it might be you who is wrong?
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Holy crap, im not dis-satisfied with the game at all, I just don't think it was intended to be used originally for Elder Scrolls.
It seems like a fantasy MMO adapted to Elder Scrolls rather than an Elder Scrolls game turned into a MMO.
Watch the trailers and see if you don't notice that at all.
As far as the game play and experience and what not, I'm happy and satisfied, I'm not angry at Zenimax if that's what they did, in fact it probably would have been the most profitible thing to do. This post was not intended to BASH anything or express any discontent. I just seemed to notice and it felt really obvious to me that it was a MMO skinned to look like Elder Scrolls.
Like if you download Internet Explorer and put a Google Chrome skin on it, it's still just IE.
You're not really saying anything other than "I see it....don't you see it? And the answer you're getting is "No we don't." But you don't like that answer so you just repeat the same thing again.... has it occured to you that it might be you who is wrong?
I think the issue is that there are certain "iconic" things that he relates to "Elder Scrolls" and he doesn't see them here. Unfortunately, the Elder Scrolls series has a lot of pretty neat, weird little lore bits on top of dark elves, high elves magic, swords, etc. So on the surface I can see his point "they are just fantasy figures fighting. But, there are Elder Scrolls elements in that video (like the scamps and daedric armor I mentioned). It's just not clear what he thinks he should be seeing.
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You're going to have to explain that part to me. Which generic fantasy non-ES things are you referring to?
Not only does it not "far outnumber" the ES material, I can't think of a single thing lol.
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Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification.
I will answer that for you
-it got levels
-it got classes
-its multiplayer
-It has zones
-it has PvP
-You can chat with other people
-It has guilds
All generic MMO things... very generic indeed..
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Words,,,,,,,kinda negative words.......going to play anyways.
k , got it.
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Holy crap, im not dis-satisfied with the game at all, I just don't think it was intended to be used originally for Elder Scrolls.
It seems like a fantasy MMO adapted to Elder Scrolls rather than an Elder Scrolls game turned into a MMO.
Watch the trailers and see if you don't notice that at all.
As far as the game play and experience and what not, I'm happy and satisfied, I'm not angry at Zenimax if that's what they did, in fact it probably would have been the most profitible thing to do. This post was not intended to BASH anything or express any discontent. I just seemed to notice and it felt really obvious to me that it was a MMO skinned to look like Elder Scrolls.
Like if you download Internet Explorer and put a Google Chrome skin on it, it's still just IE.
You guys really don't see it?
Here's what tipped me off, my wife was watching an ESO trailer. I caught it at about the 15 second mark when I started standing over her shoulder watching it.
I couldn't figure out what game it was for, it looked like a fantasy RPG, maybe an MMO, maybe not, just like armor and swords and magic and what not, then at the end ELDER SCROLLS ONLINE.
The whole time I was watching the trailer I was wondering if it was an ESO trailer but by the end I realized it couldn't be because there was nothing elder scrolls even remotely about it. I was actually astonished when the title appeared at the end.
I've played all the elder scrolls games, and it just made me think.
Anyways, ESO is fun and I still recommend people play in the BETA tests and even buy it and join when it comes out. I just wasn't going to let this one get by me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DVMNQozxqos
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I hear you OP, anything is possible.
Bioware used an alpha copy of the engine that was never meant to be sold. it was HJ's first sale of the engine and it had no programming notes, no support, very little features, Single threaded. Even HJ did not want their engine used in it's current state but the check BW gave them for the engine was too big for a new company to pass up.
Anyone here who is a programmer that has worked on someone's project where it had no notes, and no documentation can tell you what kind of a pain it is to literally finish someone else'e project. Hero engine when BW bought it was an unfinished mess of code. By the time HJ had a commercial product Bioware's version was no longer compatible enough to recieve an updated engine.
The bottom line is Bioware management saw the prototyping demo of HE and leapt feet first into a programming nightmare. They bought the code lock stock and barrel, and put unfamiliar people to the task of finishing the engine.
ESO used the engine as a template for making their own engine. The difference is ESO never tried to make the HE work for their game like Bioware did. I'm sure ESO used bits and pieces of the HE to expedite things but they did not actually use the engine in production.
On top of that the engine Bioware used cant really be compared to the engine that ESO used as a template. It's comparing a Pre alpha internal use only engine(Bioware) which they actually used. To a finished for sale engine several generations better used only as a guide for their own engine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DVMNQozxqos
Watch this video, tell me what stands out and makes it an elder scrolls video?
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The races (nords, breton, high elf, deadra) and the atmosphere reminds me of ES.
The scamps and daedric armor at about 2:48?
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Um, aren't The Elder Scrolls game generic fantasy at it's heart? Feels akin to the Malazan Book of the Fallen series by Steven Erikson in tone and backstory. One of the hard parts of finding good books and stories is that they all starts to sound the same after awhile. It really is hard to stand out in the genre, and you wouldn’t expect an online game to stray far from the bread and butter of fantasy literature. Great gameplay around a generic story is going to go further than a great story with so-so mechanics. I’d play the former longer than the later.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
You're not really saying anything other than "I see it....don't you see it? And the answer you're getting is "No we don't." But you don't like that answer so you just repeat the same thing again.... has it occured to you that it might be you who is wrong?
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I think the issue is that there are certain "iconic" things that he relates to "Elder Scrolls" and he doesn't see them here. Unfortunately, the Elder Scrolls series has a lot of pretty neat, weird little lore bits on top of dark elves, high elves magic, swords, etc. So on the surface I can see his point "they are just fantasy figures fighting. But, there are Elder Scrolls elements in that video (like the scamps and daedric armor I mentioned). It's just not clear what he thinks he should be seeing.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Iam sceptical after reading it uses the same engine like SWTOR. There are massive performance issues in the EOS "stress betas" when playing pvp.
Hopefully this wont be the case after release since SWTOR had massive performance problems in their pvp areas.
You can read aswell: But final version of Elder Scrolls Online will have its own unique engine.