[...] but once you figure that 'hey- i can do what i want!..no hand holding...' its a pretty badass feeling! [...]
It seems we didn't play the same game named WildStar. I never played a MMO with more hand holding than in Carbine's Sci-Fi project.
Oh I thought you had actually tried ESO?
ESO was even more linear than SWTOR, and made Rift seem like a sandbox. And no, I am not talking about the starter islands.
It's okay. Wild star sucks. Don't need to lie about another game just to try and make your game look better. Besides Wildstar is going for a completely different audience. Hand holding is par for the course.
Wildstar is really like WoW 2.0 , it's not trying to change the MMO formula , its just improving what has been done before with a breath of fresh air on top of that.
The game is fun even if only hoverboarding pointlessly all over the place. It's not trying to provide epic questlines, its just introducing you to the world and mechanics through the quests.
The real focus here is battlegrounds,arenas,warplots and pve raids . The rest is just really a fill-in feature and the game overloads with those kind of features, you ll never get bored in the "downtimes".
I m just hoping they introduce some kind of world pvp incentive so we can just wander around the world doing quests and killing each other while we wait for pvp queues or raiding times. Keep people busy with lots of interactivity, like having many games inside of one package, THAT's a MMO. Not storytelling.
[...] but once you figure that 'hey- i can do what i want!..no hand holding...' its a pretty badass feeling! [...]
It seems we didn't play the same game named WildStar. I never played a MMO with more hand holding than in Carbine's Sci-Fi project.
Oh I thought you had actually tried ESO?
ESO was even more linear than SWTOR, and made Rift seem like a sandbox. And no, I am not talking about the starter islands.
It's okay. Wild star sucks. Don't need to lie about another game just to try and make your game look better. Besides Wildstar is going for a completely different audience. Hand holding is par for the course.
If Wildstar is hand holding, then ESO is teaching you how to use pull up diapers.
[...] but once you figure that 'hey- i can do what i want!..no hand holding...' its a pretty badass feeling! [...]
It seems we didn't play the same game named WildStar. I never played a MMO with more hand holding than in Carbine's Sci-Fi project.
Oh I thought you had actually tried ESO?
ESO was even more linear than SWTOR, and made Rift seem like a sandbox. And no, I am not talking about the starter islands.
It's okay. Wild star sucks. Don't need to lie about another game just to try and make your game look better. Besides Wildstar is going for a completely different audience. Hand holding is par for the course.
If Wildstar is hand holding, then ESO is teaching you how to use pull up diapers.
You're angry. I understand that. ESO is a game for adults that opens up after the starter areas. Everyone knows that. This isn't December. The NDA is gone and everyone knows the truth. It's been to ESO benefit. Think the same can be said for Wildstar when they finally drop theirs?
tested it, found myself getting bored and looking for something else to do out of game... this is just my opinion, hand holding or not, it didnt "HOLD" my attention long enough to notice.
Got a second invite to the beta this last weekend and logged in for about 2mins then logged out and had no interest in logging back in whatsoever.
It just didn't do anything for me at all.
That's great. Please stop applying for the contests, then, since you have no interest in it. I got lucky enough to be in the weekend beta last 3 weekends in a row, and I can tell you, people are dying to get in.
I think most people aren't complaining about Wildstar simply because they can't get in. They applied for the Beta the first time they could, never got an invite, still can't get an invite, and have just moved on. I'm pretty sure they'll be back when this game goes OB or Release.
As for handholding- I, personally, don't feel Wildstar holds your hand. As long as you don't ask for it, you don't get led by the collar.
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[...] but once you figure that 'hey- i can do what i want!..no hand holding...' its a pretty badass feeling! [...]
It seems we didn't play the same game named WildStar. I never played a MMO with more hand holding than in Carbine's Sci-Fi project.
Oh I thought you had actually tried ESO?
ESO was even more linear than SWTOR, and made Rift seem like a sandbox. And no, I am not talking about the starter islands.
It's okay. Wild star sucks. Don't need to lie about another game just to try and make your game look better. Besides Wildstar is going for a completely different audience. Hand holding is par for the course.
If Wildstar is hand holding, then ESO is teaching you how to use pull up diapers.
You're angry. I understand that. ESO is a game for adults that opens up after the starter areas. Everyone knows that. This isn't December. The NDA is gone and everyone knows the truth. It's been to ESO benefit. Think the same can be said for Wildstar when they finally drop theirs?
Played the game to 50+
It doesn't open up. Its still the same old linear crap just in bigger maps. Have you even made it past the starter zone?
[...] but once you figure that 'hey- i can do what i want!..no hand holding...' its a pretty badass feeling! [...]
It seems we didn't play the same game named WildStar. I never played a MMO with more hand holding than in Carbine's Sci-Fi project.
Oh I thought you had actually tried ESO?
ESO was even more linear than SWTOR, and made Rift seem like a sandbox. And no, I am not talking about the starter islands.
It's okay. Wild star sucks. Don't need to lie about another game just to try and make your game look better. Besides Wildstar is going for a completely different audience. Hand holding is par for the course.
If Wildstar is hand holding, then ESO is teaching you how to use pull up diapers.
You're angry. I understand that. ESO is a game for adults that opens up after the starter areas. Everyone knows that. This isn't December. The NDA is gone and everyone knows the truth. It's been to ESO benefit. Think the same can be said for Wildstar when they finally drop theirs?
Played the game to 50+
It doesn't open up. Its still the same old linear crap just in bigger maps. Have you even made it past the starter zone?
I have.
Enlighten all of us. And then explain why you felt the need to bring another game into a Wildstar discussion. I've only seen Wildstar fanboys feel the need to constantly bash ESO in efforts to make Wildstar better. So go ahead tell us your secret knowledge in detail about how ESO is more hand holding than Wildstar.
Enlighten all of us. And then explain why you felt the need to bring another game into a Wildstar discussion. I've only seen Wildstar fanboys feel the need to constantly bash ESO in efforts to make Wildstar better. So go ahead tell us your secret knowledge in detail about how ESO is more hand holding than Wildstar.
Consider your bluff called.
I was calling out an ESO fanboy for claiming this game is hand holding, when ESO is far worse.
To put this into context, my partner hates listening to quests or reading lore and skips the text / voice as quickly as possible. We have both played ESO and Wildstar significantly, I am leaning towards Wildstar and my partner likes ESO.
But do you know why? Because my partner doesn't get lost in ESO. He can follow the magical trail and get to level 50 easy. The amount of times I had to show him where to go or what to do on Wildstar just became frustrating for him, even with the quest markers available. Wildstar has far more quests outside the hubs than ESO did.
ESO doesn't 'open up'. You follow the map to a town / area you haven't saved yet and then save it, then move on. It even lets you know if you've finished the quests in that hub when you hover over that town, just so you know that you never need to return and that your job is done. There's a few quests of the beaten track, but they are usually short and meaningless. The dungeons are all linear. The combat is not complex or tactical at all.
The only things people got confused about were Cyrodiil (because they didn't do the quest that explains everything) and character building (because they didn't listen to the tutorial).
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Wildstar doesn't have hand holding and that its not linear, its just far less so than ESO.
Wow. You really are obsessed with telling everyone how bad you think this game is. I'm sorry, but the kind of gameplay ESO offers is (in my opinion) 1000 times better than Wildstar. I can become immersed in the world while playing.
I can't do that with Wildstar. Never once did I have arrows and a trail leading me to where to go in ESO, it's there in Wildstar every time you click on a quest.
Wildstar and ESO both have a fair share of "hand holding" going on. ESO needs to scale it back, and Wildstar is well an unapologetic theme park so yah.
Back ON TOPIC, WIldstar impromptu quests are pretty annoying. You'll be in the middle of doing something and then BAM "kill 10 of those right now or you suck!"
Why do those things have to be time based?
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[...] but once you figure that 'hey- i can do what i want!..no hand holding...' its a pretty badass feeling! [...]
It seems we didn't play the same game named WildStar. I never played a MMO with more hand holding than in Carbine's Sci-Fi project.
Oh I thought you had actually tried ESO?
ESO was even more linear than SWTOR, and made Rift seem like a sandbox. And no, I am not talking about the starter islands.
It's okay. Wild star sucks. Don't need to lie about another game just to try and make your game look better. Besides Wildstar is going for a completely different audience. Hand holding is par for the course.
Lol! a eso fan-boi accusing a gamer of lying about a different game , you eso fans are the biggest lairs.i have had to correct several of you when its comes to lying and bending the truth ( mainly about end game content in the crappy game and pvp) all the time, Just because your lack luster game doesn't have end-content and people are gonna leave it within a couple of months after launch doesn't mean you gotta be sour.
Both ESO and Wildstar have a ridiculous amount of hand holding, wildstar is just another themepark and ESO is a disgrace that should be ashamed of itself. Even the PvP is handheld, there's only one form and it's instanced, wow talk about hand holding, what is this GW2 PvP with even less diversity?
What ever happened to dueling, OWPvP, Guild vs Guild? Whats with this fetish for laggy, meaningless, follow the zerg mass PvP these days?
Honestly, I'm getting a little tired of quest logs telling me where everything is. Maybe when I first started playing these games, it was a time-saver, but you start to feel like a rat in a maze after the 50billionth quest marked "go here, do this, come back for your reward".
I think I'm just getting tired of themeparks, personally.
Wildstar is aiming at the gogogo crowd, the once not caring about the content but only interested in the completion..
I think they will love the experience.
for everyone else that actually cares about content.. There is ESO. ( this was meant as a joke) and i love jokes.
that is the worst part. I really love Wildstars graphics, humor, and mechanics, but i hate the lack of creativity Carbine showed with the questing. That killed it for me. Yeah there is ESO for me to care about content but i really wanted to play Wildstart. I will probably play WIldstar if it goes F2P or drops the sub because i will not pay for that boring filler they call questing.
Wildstar is aiming at the gogogo crowd, the once not caring about the content but only interested in the completion..
I think they will love the experience.
for everyone else that actually cares about content.. There is ESO. ( this was meant as a joke) and i love jokes.
that is the worst part. I really love Wildstars graphics, humor, and mechanics, but i hate the lack of creativity Carbine showed with the questing. That killed it for me. Yeah there is ESO for me to care about content but i really wanted to play Wildstart. I will probably play WIldstar if it goes F2P or drops the sub because i will not pay for that boring filler they call questing.
you could already play it free with the creed system.......
Originally posted by Vobrias Originally posted by rojo6934Originally posted by Lord.BachusDear Bill..Wildstar is aiming at the gogogo crowd, the once not caring about the content but only interested in the completion.. I think they will love the experience.for everyone else that actually cares about content.. There is ESO. ( this was meant as a joke) and i love jokes.
that is the worst part. I really love Wildstars graphics, humor, and mechanics, but i hate the lack of creativity Carbine showed with the questing. That killed it for me. Yeah there is ESO for me to care about content but i really wanted to play Wildstart. I will probably play WIldstar if it goes F2P or drops the sub because i will not pay for that boring filler they call questing.you could already play it free with the creed system.......
If cred cost 10,000 platinum how could you possibly "play for free' from the beginning? Your going to have to shell out until you have enough skills to farm that kind of currency.
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you could already play it free with the creed system.......
that is too much of a chore to play a game. I rather play for fun and not for money farming. That brings me back to my post. I dont have a problem subbing to it because like i said i really liked the game. However, the questing in a themepark mmo covers the vast majority of the game and that needs to be fun. Here it is not, at all.
.. that is the worst part. I really love Wildstars graphics, humor, and mechanics, but i hate the lack of creativity Carbine showed with the questing. That killed it for me. Yeah there is ESO for me to care about content but i really wanted to play Wildstart. I will probably play WIldstar if it goes F2P or drops the sub because i will not pay for that boring filler they call questing.
I agree. yet another major fail on the part of an MMO company. Why do they keep putting time and money into putting quests in games? I've honestly never heard a gamer say they love quests. There are a few great ones in games, I'm thinking of the Deathwing chain in wow, but mostly they are just annoying and a HUGE hassle to find and track. Guild Wars had the right idea with just having one quest chain. WoW's legendary quest line was a great idea. I'm not really a Guild Wars fan but i really like the way they did questing and was hoping that Wildstar would do the same. no such luck its just another pointless quest after pointless quest until you check off enough to earn the "elder game'. Its weird its like you have to pay in quest time to actually play their game.
I'm not saying Wildstar is worse than other games just that its the same old same old as far as the mandatory check list of quests goes. I'm sure there are some interesting ones but given that there are probably 1000's to get to max level? That is just too much to even contemplate again. I just don't have it in me to do another quest based mmorpg. Please someone please come out with a game that is not a 'find this dot on the mini map game'? please. Surely someone out there can think outside of that box.
[...] but once you figure that 'hey- i can do what i want!..no hand holding...' its a pretty badass feeling! [...]
It seems we didn't play the same game named WildStar. I never played a MMO with more hand holding than in Carbine's Sci-Fi project.
Oh I thought you had actually tried ESO?
ESO was even more linear than SWTOR, and made Rift seem like a sandbox. And no, I am not talking about the starter islands.
It's okay. Wild star sucks. Don't need to lie about another game just to try and make your game look better. Besides Wildstar is going for a completely different audience. Hand holding is par for the course.
If Wildstar is hand holding, then ESO is teaching you how to use pull up diapers.
You're angry. I understand that. ESO is a game for adults that opens up after the starter areas. Everyone knows that. This isn't December. The NDA is gone and everyone knows the truth. It's been to ESO benefit. Think the same can be said for Wildstar when they finally drop theirs?
Played the game to 50+
It doesn't open up. Its still the same old linear crap just in bigger maps. Have you even made it past the starter zone?
Wow for someone who consistently bashes on how horrible ESO is you sure must have enjoyed yourself to make it to 50+ content!!! But, we all know that's not the case because you didn't play the game to 50+.
well I think WS biggest mistake was taking the character development out of the game, and ESO did the exact opposite by making everything about the character, down to the specific choices of weapon and armor, etc. All the games I grew up to were about the character. WS is about the items. Also the cookie-cutter nature of WS almost makes me puke. I am so sick of these games made for 6 year olds, who have no thumbs apparently.
With the letdown of GW2 because of the simplified character creation, I been waiting a long time for a game like ESO, and you all can bash it if you never played it, or if you just dabbled in it, but if you give the game a chance it really grows on you, and that is the exact opposite of how I see WS going.
Oh and the RVR zone in ESO, I cant think of any game that compares to it, they just did it right, I dont know what else to say. I thought it would end up all zerging, but its not, you can do anything from small scale raids to 1v1 hunting.
And yea its funny how everyone bashed ESO, and raved about WS, and now that we had a taste of both, I think I can easily say for the PvP crowd that ESO is the clear winner by far.
WS wil be a solid game and it has its good points for sure, but it also looks very hectic, I would say if you want to play WS, be sure to remove the windows key off your keyboard.
Lol! a eso fan-boi accusing a gamer of lying about a different game , you eso fans are the biggest lairs.i have had to correct several of you when its comes to lying and bending the truth ( mainly about end game content in the crappy game and pvp) all the time, Just because your lack luster game doesn't have end-content and people are gonna leave it within a couple of months after launch doesn't mean you gotta be sour.
Without any true character development, and such a limited number of skills to choose from, people are going to be leaving WS a lot faster then ESO.
Just look at the BETAs lol, WS is always losing testers, and it seems like ESO tests just get bigger and bigger.
The end game in ESO is much better then WS, because there is motivation to go fight for your alliance and join the war.
I think you will see WS under NDA for a long time, because they know they have problems with keeping people in that game. How long do you just chase items for? How do you connect with a character with such a limited number of skills to choose from, and no variation from one character to another.
as I stated above these cookie cutter character games make me want to puke. I am so happy that ESO has brought us something with some complexity while leaving a lot of flexibility with how we make our character.
and not only can you also chase items in ESO, but you can also make your own legendary weapons/armor. So in terms of character and play-style customization, hands down ESO destroys WS
oh and just FYI, I was on the WS bandwagon I was stoked for it, then I played ESO and I wont ever be looking back.
Lol! a eso fan-boi accusing a gamer of lying about a different game , you eso fans are the biggest lairs.i have had to correct several of you when its comes to lying and bending the truth ( mainly about end game content in the crappy game and pvp) all the time, Just because your lack luster game doesn't have end-content and people are gonna leave it within a couple of months after launch doesn't mean you gotta be sour.
Without any true character development, and such a limited number of skills to choose from, people are going to be leaving WS a lot faster then ESO.
Just look at the BETAs lol, WS is always losing testers, and it seems like ESO tests just get bigger and bigger.
The end game in ESO is much better then WS, because there is motivation to go fight for your alliance and join the war.
I think you will see WS under NDA for a long time, because they know they have problems with keeping people in that game. How long do you just chase items for? How do you connect with a character with such a limited number of skills to choose from, and no variation from one character to another.
as I stated above these cookie cutter character games make me want to puke. I am so happy that ESO has brought us something with some complexity while leaving a lot of flexibility with how we make our character.
and not only can you also chase items in ESO, but you can also make your own legendary weapons/armor. So in terms of character and play-style customization, hands down ESO destroys WS
oh and just FYI, I was on the WS bandwagon I was stoked for it, then I played ESO and I wont ever be looking back.
^^ Perfect example of a eso fanboi twisting the truth about wildstar vs eso tsk tsk tsk, First off how could you even say that Eso offers pretty much more features than wildstar, features is where Wildstar slams eso out of the water, being a closed beta testers for both,Eso's only saving graces are its questing and voice acting everything eles is lack-luster and clunky ( from animation's to combat)
When it comes to character development that depends,with wild-star skills you get tiers that add effects to your skills so as a esper my build could be completely different from the esper next to me , in eso esp in pvp you see the same skills being used as well as the same morphs because most of them are not balanced and one is usually better (esp pvp wise) than the other how in any way shape or form is that better ? and when it comes to people leaving fast that's a lie like i said of one eso's pros is its lvling but its has NO end-game but 5 man and tedious avava which will get boring after a couple (2-3) months.
Um i think your misinformed, wild-star closed beta keys sell for 150 $ eso's only sell for 50-75$ i don't see why people would pay a higher price if they didn't want to get into beta ( information from a Beta key seller and self experience)
these points doe. how is the end-game better when its non-existent? like i said only 5 man instances and avava thats it with wildstar however there's 25 and 40 man raiding, 2v2,3v3 and 5v5 arena,battles-grounds,Actual Open world pvp, Housing and fully player made 40v40 plots, why do you eso fanbois even try,these lies saying ESO has more etc are complete crap it doesn't matter what u like or not,facts are facts and wild-star beats eso in features by miles .
lol again there is far more character variation is wild-star than eso the only section in that that eso wins is character creation besides that wild-star offers more in this department as well.
you say that until you at at the respec shrine spending thousands of gold trying to get your build like jolly joe who beat you a few hours before , yea ok eso could have been great but the people making the game fell short . period.
you can name weapons..... ok ? can u change how they look(besides silly clunky animation enchantments).... no,but you can name them and that's all you mainly care about........................is being unique...........................but your going to the game that has the least amount of features out of the 2..................... for you to do that .....................#GLwithDat
This was me ! i had kept switching between the 2 and i finally said wild-star is a bad horrible game and i'm sticking with eso because its Was just so awesome!.......... until i logged back on my wild-star CBT account and saw that i had been missing playtime on a gem, Eso is to sub-par with very lack-luster content i was a fanboi too until i saw the way better light that was wild-star and now i'm not turning back you can bet your bucks on that!
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It's okay. Wild star sucks. Don't need to lie about another game just to try and make your game look better. Besides Wildstar is going for a completely different audience. Hand holding is par for the course.
Wildstar is really like WoW 2.0 , it's not trying to change the MMO formula , its just improving what has been done before with a breath of fresh air on top of that.
The game is fun even if only hoverboarding pointlessly all over the place. It's not trying to provide epic questlines, its just introducing you to the world and mechanics through the quests.
The real focus here is battlegrounds,arenas,warplots and pve raids . The rest is just really a fill-in feature and the game overloads with those kind of features, you ll never get bored in the "downtimes".
I m just hoping they introduce some kind of world pvp incentive so we can just wander around the world doing quests and killing each other while we wait for pvp queues or raiding times. Keep people busy with lots of interactivity, like having many games inside of one package, THAT's a MMO. Not storytelling.
If Wildstar is hand holding, then ESO is teaching you how to use pull up diapers.
You're angry. I understand that. ESO is a game for adults that opens up after the starter areas. Everyone knows that. This isn't December. The NDA is gone and everyone knows the truth. It's been to ESO benefit. Think the same can be said for Wildstar when they finally drop theirs?
That's great. Please stop applying for the contests, then, since you have no interest in it. I got lucky enough to be in the weekend beta last 3 weekends in a row, and I can tell you, people are dying to get in.
I think most people aren't complaining about Wildstar simply because they can't get in. They applied for the Beta the first time they could, never got an invite, still can't get an invite, and have just moved on. I'm pretty sure they'll be back when this game goes OB or Release.
As for handholding- I, personally, don't feel Wildstar holds your hand. As long as you don't ask for it, you don't get led by the collar.
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It doesn't open up. Its still the same old linear crap just in bigger maps. Have you even made it past the starter zone?
I have.
Enlighten all of us. And then explain why you felt the need to bring another game into a Wildstar discussion. I've only seen Wildstar fanboys feel the need to constantly bash ESO in efforts to make Wildstar better. So go ahead tell us your secret knowledge in detail about how ESO is more hand holding than Wildstar.
Consider your bluff called.
I was calling out an ESO fanboy for claiming this game is hand holding, when ESO is far worse.
To put this into context, my partner hates listening to quests or reading lore and skips the text / voice as quickly as possible. We have both played ESO and Wildstar significantly, I am leaning towards Wildstar and my partner likes ESO.
But do you know why? Because my partner doesn't get lost in ESO. He can follow the magical trail and get to level 50 easy. The amount of times I had to show him where to go or what to do on Wildstar just became frustrating for him, even with the quest markers available. Wildstar has far more quests outside the hubs than ESO did.
ESO doesn't 'open up'. You follow the map to a town / area you haven't saved yet and then save it, then move on. It even lets you know if you've finished the quests in that hub when you hover over that town, just so you know that you never need to return and that your job is done. There's a few quests of the beaten track, but they are usually short and meaningless. The dungeons are all linear. The combat is not complex or tactical at all.
The only things people got confused about were Cyrodiil (because they didn't do the quest that explains everything) and character building (because they didn't listen to the tutorial).
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Wildstar doesn't have hand holding and that its not linear, its just far less so than ESO.
Wow. You really are obsessed with telling everyone how bad you think this game is. I'm sorry, but the kind of gameplay ESO offers is (in my opinion) 1000 times better than Wildstar. I can become immersed in the world while playing.
I can't do that with Wildstar. Never once did I have arrows and a trail leading me to where to go in ESO, it's there in Wildstar every time you click on a quest.
You really should learn what hand holding means.
Wildstar and ESO both have a fair share of "hand holding" going on. ESO needs to scale it back, and Wildstar is well an unapologetic theme park so yah.
Back ON TOPIC, WIldstar impromptu quests are pretty annoying. You'll be in the middle of doing something and then BAM "kill 10 of those right now or you suck!"
Why do those things have to be time based?
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Lol! a eso fan-boi accusing a gamer of lying about a different game , you eso fans are the biggest lairs.i have had to correct several of you when its comes to lying and bending the truth ( mainly about end game content in the crappy game and pvp) all the time, Just because your lack luster game doesn't have end-content and people are gonna leave it within a couple of months after launch doesn't mean you gotta be sour.
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Both ESO and Wildstar have a ridiculous amount of hand holding, wildstar is just another themepark and ESO is a disgrace that should be ashamed of itself. Even the PvP is handheld, there's only one form and it's instanced, wow talk about hand holding, what is this GW2 PvP with even less diversity?
What ever happened to dueling, OWPvP, Guild vs Guild? Whats with this fetish for laggy, meaningless, follow the zerg mass PvP these days?
Honestly, I'm getting a little tired of quest logs telling me where everything is. Maybe when I first started playing these games, it was a time-saver, but you start to feel like a rat in a maze after the 50billionth quest marked "go here, do this, come back for your reward".
I think I'm just getting tired of themeparks, personally.
that is the worst part. I really love Wildstars graphics, humor, and mechanics, but i hate the lack of creativity Carbine showed with the questing. That killed it for me. Yeah there is ESO for me to care about content but i really wanted to play Wildstart. I will probably play WIldstar if it goes F2P or drops the sub because i will not pay for that boring filler they call questing.
you could already play it free with the creed system.......
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you could already play it free with the creed system.......
If cred cost 10,000 platinum how could you possibly "play for free' from the beginning?
Your going to have to shell out until you have enough skills to farm that kind of currency.
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that is too much of a chore to play a game. I rather play for fun and not for money farming. That brings me back to my post. I dont have a problem subbing to it because like i said i really liked the game. However, the questing in a themepark mmo covers the vast majority of the game and that needs to be fun. Here it is not, at all.
I agree. yet another major fail on the part of an MMO company. Why do they keep putting time and money into putting quests in games? I've honestly never heard a gamer say they love quests. There are a few great ones in games, I'm thinking of the Deathwing chain in wow, but mostly they are just annoying and a HUGE hassle to find and track. Guild Wars had the right idea with just having one quest chain. WoW's legendary quest line was a great idea. I'm not really a Guild Wars fan but i really like the way they did questing and was hoping that Wildstar would do the same. no such luck its just another pointless quest after pointless quest until you check off enough to earn the "elder game'. Its weird its like you have to pay in quest time to actually play their game.
I'm not saying Wildstar is worse than other games just that its the same old same old as far as the mandatory check list of quests goes. I'm sure there are some interesting ones but given that there are probably 1000's to get to max level? That is just too much to even contemplate again. I just don't have it in me to do another quest based mmorpg. Please someone please come out with a game that is not a 'find this dot on the mini map game'? please. Surely someone out there can think outside of that box.
Wow for someone who consistently bashes on how horrible ESO is you sure must have enjoyed yourself to make it to 50+ content!!! But, we all know that's not the case because you didn't play the game to 50+.
well I think WS biggest mistake was taking the character development out of the game, and ESO did the exact opposite by making everything about the character, down to the specific choices of weapon and armor, etc. All the games I grew up to were about the character. WS is about the items. Also the cookie-cutter nature of WS almost makes me puke. I am so sick of these games made for 6 year olds, who have no thumbs apparently.
With the letdown of GW2 because of the simplified character creation, I been waiting a long time for a game like ESO, and you all can bash it if you never played it, or if you just dabbled in it, but if you give the game a chance it really grows on you, and that is the exact opposite of how I see WS going.
Oh and the RVR zone in ESO, I cant think of any game that compares to it, they just did it right, I dont know what else to say. I thought it would end up all zerging, but its not, you can do anything from small scale raids to 1v1 hunting.
And yea its funny how everyone bashed ESO, and raved about WS, and now that we had a taste of both, I think I can easily say for the PvP crowd that ESO is the clear winner by far.
WS wil be a solid game and it has its good points for sure, but it also looks very hectic, I would say if you want to play WS, be sure to remove the windows key off your keyboard.
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Without any true character development, and such a limited number of skills to choose from, people are going to be leaving WS a lot faster then ESO.
Just look at the BETAs lol, WS is always losing testers, and it seems like ESO tests just get bigger and bigger.
The end game in ESO is much better then WS, because there is motivation to go fight for your alliance and join the war.
I think you will see WS under NDA for a long time, because they know they have problems with keeping people in that game. How long do you just chase items for? How do you connect with a character with such a limited number of skills to choose from, and no variation from one character to another.
as I stated above these cookie cutter character games make me want to puke. I am so happy that ESO has brought us something with some complexity while leaving a lot of flexibility with how we make our character.
and not only can you also chase items in ESO, but you can also make your own legendary weapons/armor. So in terms of character and play-style customization, hands down ESO destroys WS
oh and just FYI, I was on the WS bandwagon I was stoked for it, then I played ESO and I wont ever be looking back.
^^ Perfect example of a eso fanboi twisting the truth about wildstar vs eso tsk tsk tsk, First off how could you even say that Eso offers pretty much more features than wildstar, features is where Wildstar slams eso out of the water, being a closed beta testers for both,Eso's only saving graces are its questing and voice acting everything eles is lack-luster and clunky ( from animation's to combat)
When it comes to character development that depends,with wild-star skills you get tiers that add effects to your skills so as a esper my build could be completely different from the esper next to me , in eso esp in pvp you see the same skills being used as well as the same morphs because most of them are not balanced and one is usually better (esp pvp wise) than the other how in any way shape or form is that better ? and when it comes to people leaving fast that's a lie like i said of one eso's pros is its lvling but its has NO end-game but 5 man and tedious avava which will get boring after a couple (2-3) months.
Um i think your misinformed, wild-star closed beta keys sell for 150 $ eso's only sell for 50-75$ i don't see why people would pay a higher price if they didn't want to get into beta ( information from a Beta key seller and self experience)
these points doe. how is the end-game better when its non-existent? like i said only 5 man instances and avava thats it with wildstar however there's 25 and 40 man raiding, 2v2,3v3 and 5v5 arena,battles-grounds,Actual Open world pvp, Housing and fully player made 40v40 plots, why do you eso fanbois even try,these lies saying ESO has more etc are complete crap it doesn't matter what u like or not,facts are facts and wild-star beats eso in features by miles .
lol again there is far more character variation is wild-star than eso the only section in that that eso wins is character creation besides that wild-star offers more in this department as well.
you say that until you at at the respec shrine spending thousands of gold trying to get your build like jolly joe who beat you a few hours before , yea ok eso could have been great but the people making the game fell short . period.
you can name weapons..... ok ? can u change how they look(besides silly clunky animation enchantments).... no,but you can name them and that's all you mainly care about........................is being unique...........................but your going to the game that has the least amount of features out of the 2..................... for you to do that .....................#GLwithDat
This was me ! i had kept switching between the 2 and i finally said wild-star is a bad horrible game and i'm sticking with eso because its Was just so awesome!.......... until i logged back on my wild-star CBT account and saw that i had been missing playtime on a gem, Eso is to sub-par with very lack-luster content i was a fanboi too until i saw the way better light that was wild-star and now i'm not turning back you can bet your bucks on that!
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