Originally posted by eyelolled Open world PvP is home to the absolute worst type of players. I'm not saying that all OWPvP players are the worst type of people, but that the worst type of people would feel most at home in an OWPvP environment. Why would anyone actually want to make a game that caters to the worst? It's kinda like having a Bed & Breakfast for the criminally insane.
Because they have the most fun. As long as they don't cheat and the developers don't change the rules or pick sides, then they are content that people spend years playing.
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
Because they have the most fun. As long as they don't cheat and the developers don't change the rules or pick sides, then they are content that people spend years playing.
Well heck, if we're wishing for the impossible we might as well go all the way.
A competition game with no cheating would require developers who are ready, willing, and able to banhammer the holy bejeezus out of exploiters from the very beginning -- something that should have been done all the way back in UO but wasn't, giving rise to a group of people who realize that cheating is often the very best way to 'get ahead'. This is what drove off people who would have liked pvp in the first place, setting into motion the events that we see today. But a large portion of pvp players are happy to admit that they'll do anything they can to ruin the other guy's gameplay still to this day because its 'fun' to them. And until the pvp community and/or developers can and will do something about those rejects, there is no pve/pvp solution that -can- present itself. Instead, any game that tries to blend the two overly much will literally be hosting the seeds of its own demise -- how else can you describe having a group of players who openly state that their goal is to run off other players?
Originally posted by eyelolled Open world PvP is home to the absolute worst type of players. I'm not saying that all OWPvP players are the worst type of people, but that the worst type of people would feel most at home in an OWPvP environment. Why would anyone actually want to make a game that caters to the worst? It's kinda like having a Bed & Breakfast for the criminally insane.
Because they have the most fun. As long as they don't cheat and the developers don't change the rules or pick sides, then they are content that people spend years playing.
I just want to clarify, seeing that you didn't. You're saying "The developers would want to make a game that caters to the worst types of players because the worst types of players have the most fun." Is that correct?
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
Originally posted by eyelolled Open world PvP is home to the absolute worst type of players. I'm not saying that all OWPvP players are the worst type of people, but that the worst type of people would feel most at home in an OWPvP environment. Why would anyone actually want to make a game that caters to the worst? It's kinda like having a Bed & Breakfast for the criminally insane.
Because they have the most fun. As long as they don't cheat and the developers don't change the rules or pick sides, then they are content that people spend years playing.
I just want to clarify, seeing that you didn't. You're saying "The developers would want to make a game that caters to the worst types of players because the worst types of players have the most fun." Is that correct?
Yup.
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
Originally posted by eyelolled Open world PvP is home to the absolute worst type of players. I'm not saying that all OWPvP players are the worst type of people, but that the worst type of people would feel most at home in an OWPvP environment. Why would anyone actually want to make a game that caters to the worst? It's kinda like having a Bed & Breakfast for the criminally insane.
Because they have the most fun. As long as they don't cheat and the developers don't change the rules or pick sides, then they are content that people spend years playing.
I just want to clarify, seeing that you didn't. You're saying "The developers would want to make a game that caters to the worst types of players because the worst types of players have the most fun." Is that correct?
Yup.
Well I'm going to vote with the majority and say that I don't think "the worst" should even be allowed to own a computer.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
MMORPG pvp is completely rigged and circular. Developers have completely failed to up hold their end of the agreement.
What agreement?
I don't recall any devs sign an agreement that they owe you anything.
Really?
Do you remember agreeing to their terms?
I don't remember they agree to anything but let us play the game as is.
I highly doubt someone of your intelligence would agree to terms that allowed a hacker to steal all your inventory. You would do what we have to do. Quit. OR ? what the other option?
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
This discussion is rather irrelevant considering the themepark is on the way out and sandboxes are the main thing being developed and almost every one of those will contain for the most part owpvp of some sort.
Like I have said before the AI revolution is upon us as well and what are you going to do when the npcs start griefing and ganking you?
Wildstar is one of the last ones and my prediction is fail and go free to play after about 3 months.
Free to play has not been some brilliant strategy that they came up with because it was revolutionary. It came up because that was the only way to get money out of people and for them to play reskinned themepark clones of the last ten years or just plain out garbage games from developers slapping something together in their garage on the weekends.
Developers are going to start creating worlds for us to explore and live in and pvp will be a part of that. Developers are not going to make a Waltons MMO sandbox with no pvp.
This discussion is rather irrelevant considering the themepark is on the way out and sandboxes are the main thing being developed and almost every one of those will contain for the most part owpvp of some sort.
Like I have said before the AI revolution is upon us as well and what are you going to do when the npcs start griefing and ganking you?
Wildstar is one of the last ones and my prediction is fail and go free to play after about 3 months.
Free to play has not been some brilliant strategy that they came up with because it was revolutionary. It came up because that was the only way to money out of people and for them to play reskinned themepark clones of the last ten years or just plain out garbage games from developers slapping something together in their garage on the weekends.
Developers are going to start creating worlds for us to explore and live in and pvp will be a part of that. Developers are not going to make a Waltons MMO sandbox with no pvp.
This discussion is rather irrelevant considering the themepark is on the way out and sandboxes are the main thing being developed and almost every one of those will contain for the most part owpvp of some sort.
Like I have said before the AI revolution is upon us as well and what are you going to do when the npcs start griefing and ganking you?
Wildstar is one of the last ones and my prediction is fail and go free to play after about 3 months.
Free to play has not been some brilliant strategy that they came up with because it was revolutionary. It came up because that was the only way to money out of people and for them to play reskinned themepark clones of the last ten years or just plain out garbage games from developers slapping something together in their garage on the weekends.
Developers are going to start creating worlds for us to explore and live in and pvp will be a part of that. Developers are not going to make a Waltons MMO sandbox with no pvp.
Name the themeparks that are in development please.
Then name the sandboxes in development.
That post you made tells me you don't have a counter argument that would make any sense at all. Do us all a favor and remain an observer or at least have a little more substance to you posts.
Originally posted by eyelolled Open world PvP is home to the absolute worst type of players. I'm not saying that all OWPvP players are the worst type of people, but that the worst type of people would feel most at home in an OWPvP environment. Why would anyone actually want to make a game that caters to the worst? It's kinda like having a Bed & Breakfast for the criminally insane.
Because they have the most fun. As long as they don't cheat and the developers don't change the rules or pick sides, then they are content that people spend years playing.
I just want to clarify, seeing that you didn't. You're saying "The developers would want to make a game that caters to the worst types of players because the worst types of players have the most fun." Is that correct?
Yup.
Well I'm going to vote with the majority and say that I don't think "the worst" should even be allowed to own a computer.
Well you can deal with the worst type in game, because that's were they play. It's the people who think they are special who trade people for loot. They hate everybody in the end.
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
This discussion is rather irrelevant considering the themepark is on the way out and sandboxes are the main thing being developed and almost every one of those will contain for the most part owpvp of some sort.
Like I have said before the AI revolution is upon us as well and what are you going to do when the npcs start griefing and ganking you?
Wildstar is one of the last ones and my prediction is fail and go free to play after about 3 months.
Free to play has not been some brilliant strategy that they came up with because it was revolutionary. It came up because that was the only way to money out of people and for them to play reskinned themepark clones of the last ten years or just plain out garbage games from developers slapping something together in their garage on the weekends.
Developers are going to start creating worlds for us to explore and live in and pvp will be a part of that. Developers are not going to make a Waltons MMO sandbox with no pvp.
Name the themeparks that are in development please.
Then name the sandboxes in development.
ESO and Wildstar are two themepark MMOS coming out this year. Then we have Warhammer 40K MMO. Blizzard"s Titan.
Archage is not themepark more like sandpark. EQNEXT again not a pure sandbox.
Not even going to pay any attention to the kickstarter indie MMOS because we all know how that turns out.
So what i see is mostly themepark MMOS + sandpark MMORPGS.
I suggest wake up if you think SANDBOX is the main thing being developed in future.
This discussion is rather irrelevant considering the themepark is on the way out and sandboxes are the main thing being developed and almost every one of those will contain for the most part owpvp of some sort.
Like I have said before the AI revolution is upon us as well and what are you going to do when the npcs start griefing and ganking you?
Wildstar is one of the last ones and my prediction is fail and go free to play after about 3 months.
Free to play has not been some brilliant strategy that they came up with because it was revolutionary. It came up because that was the only way to money out of people and for them to play reskinned themepark clones of the last ten years or just plain out garbage games from developers slapping something together in their garage on the weekends.
Developers are going to start creating worlds for us to explore and live in and pvp will be a part of that. Developers are not going to make a Waltons MMO sandbox with no pvp.
Name the themeparks that are in development please.
Then name the sandboxes in development.
That post you made tells me you don't have a counter argument that would make any sense at all.
Maybe you should just list all the upcoming AAA budget real sandboxes with mandatory free for all owPvP first.
Just so that everyone is on the same page and opponents can't troll you.
For me the kill or die repeat a billion times to get some item ..yeah no challenge there at all. As we see in so many new F2P mmos anyone can do it.
Like "hey we can make a game were you just play on this tiny map and kill each other respawn and OMG people will PAY US to to do it." Then people are like WOW my gun has this new tint to it.. OOH I want it..
The "once you die its over" you find most never want to play that now thats the fun ones.
Originally posted by eyelolled Open world PvP is home to the absolute worst type of players. I'm not saying that all OWPvP players are the worst type of people, but that the worst type of people would feel most at home in an OWPvP environment. Why would anyone actually want to make a game that caters to the worst? It's kinda like having a Bed & Breakfast for the criminally insane.
Because they have the most fun. As long as they don't cheat and the developers don't change the rules or pick sides, then they are content that people spend years playing.
I just want to clarify, seeing that you didn't. You're saying "The developers would want to make a game that caters to the worst types of players because the worst types of players have the most fun." Is that correct?
Yup.
Well I'm going to vote with the majority and say that I don't think "the worst" should even be allowed to own a computer.
Well you can deal with the worst type in game, because that's were they play. It's the people who think they are special who trade people for loot. They hate everybody in the end.
Sounds like an excuse to me.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
Name the themeparks that are in development please.
Then name the sandboxes in development.
ESO and Wildstar are two themepark MMOS coming out this year. Then we have Warhammer 40K MMO. Blizzard"s Titan.
Archage is not themepark more like sandpark. EQNEXT again not a pure sandbox.
Not even going to pay any attention to the kickstarter indie MMOS because we all know how that turns out.
So what i see is mostly themepark MMOS + sandpark MMORPGS.
I suggest wake up if you think SANDBOX is the main thing being developed in future.
I'm trying give ESO a little credit but to be honest it will probably have to change it's sub model as well and this title is complete basically.
Wildstar is a reskinned WoW that will last about 6 to 9 months before ftp if that long it is basically complete as far as development.
The reason they stopped production on Titan was because they knew it was going to fail because it was slated to be a themepark.
Archeage is already developed and released and has had pvp extremely reduced from original concepts. They are avoiding the western markets because themeparks don't do well here anymore.
EQNext will most closely resemble EvE Online per Smed so I guess you will have a tiny safe area to rot in similar to what EvE has in place and the rest will be OWPVP if you believe Smed.
You still didn't tell me any themeparks that were in development.
Oh and while we are at it you didn't touch on the fact I mentioned it won't be long before npcs are griefing and ganking you with new generation ai that is being developed.
Name the themeparks that are in development please.
Then name the sandboxes in development.
ESO and Wildstar are two themepark MMOS coming out this year. Then we have Warhammer 40K MMO. Blizzard"s Titan.
Archage is not themepark more like sandpark. EQNEXT again not a pure sandbox.
Not even going to pay any attention to the kickstarter indie MMOS because we all know how that turns out.
So what i see is mostly themepark MMOS + sandpark MMORPGS.
I suggest wake up if you think SANDBOX is the main thing being developed in future.
I'm trying give ESO a little credit but to be honest it will probably have to change it's sub model as well and this title is complete basically.
Wildstar is a reskinned WoW that will last about 6 to 9 months before ftp if that long it is basically complete as far as development.
The reason they stopped production on Titan was because they knew it was going to fail because it was slated to be a themepark.
Archeage is already developed and released and has had pvp extremely reduced from priginal concepts. They are avoiding the western markets because themeparks don't do well here anymore.
EQNext will most closely resemble EvE Online per Smed so I guess you will have a tiny safe area to rot in similar to what EvE has in place and the rest will be OWPVP if you believe Smed.
You still didn't tell me any themeparks that were in development.
The onus of proof is on you not me. You are the one claiming that SANDBOX is the main thing being developed in future even though majority of titles are sandparks and not pure sandbox.
And do you know anything about Blizzard? they are known to lake long time with their products and TITAN is no exception. I don't know what gave you an idea that Blizzard of all big gaming companies would release a pure Sandbox MMO. yeah sure as if that is gonna happen.
Once again ARCHAGE and EQNEXT not sandbox games but more like sandparks.
Now please go ahead and give us this list of AAA SANDBOX to prove that sanbox is the main thing being developed in future.
Name the themeparks that are in development please.
Then name the sandboxes in development.
ESO and Wildstar are two themepark MMOS coming out this year. Then we have Warhammer 40K MMO. Blizzard"s Titan.
Archage is not themepark more like sandpark. EQNEXT again not a pure sandbox.
Not even going to pay any attention to the kickstarter indie MMOS because we all know how that turns out.
So what i see is mostly themepark MMOS + sandpark MMORPGS.
I suggest wake up if you think SANDBOX is the main thing being developed in future.
I'm trying give ESO a little credit but to be honest it will probably have to change it's sub model as well and this title is complete basically.
Wildstar is a reskinned WoW that will last about 6 to 9 months before ftp if that long it is basically complete as far as development.
The reason they stopped production on Titan was because they knew it was going to fail because it was slated to be a themepark.
Archeage is already developed and released and has had pvp extremely reduced from priginal concepts. They are avoiding the western markets because themeparks don't do well here anymore.
EQNext will most closely resemble EvE Online per Smed so I guess you will have a tiny safe area to rot in similar to what EvE has in place and the rest will be OWPVP if you believe Smed.
You still didn't tell me any themeparks that were in development.
The onus of proof is on you not me. You are the one claiming that SANDBOX is the main thing being developed in future even though majority of titles are sandparks and not pure sandbox.
And do you know anything about Blizzard? they are known to lake long time with their products and TITAN is no exception. I don't know what gave you an idea that Blizzard of all big gaming companies would release a pure Sandbox MMO. yeah sure as if that is gonna happen.
Once again ARCHAGE and EQNEXT not sandbox games but more like sandparks.
Now please go ahead and give us this list of AAA SANDBOX to prove that sanbox is the main thing being developed in future.
EQNext per Smed and also the new unnamed survival sandbox that Smed announced thru his twitter that Sony is developing.
World of Darkness by CCP will be an open world sandbox with full pvp by their press release statements.
Dare I mention DayZ which sold over 1 million units in the first month of an alpha that they said not to buy. An open world MMO with full open pvp and permadeath and also it is still in the top 5 in steam sales. I will say that their number of players per server is still undecided at this point.
I could mention the large list of mostly independently financed development studios. Some of them will end up taking home the prize because the AAA studios and publishers cannot innovate with the exception being Sony. Sony has done this because they were getting into the situation where they had a stable full of shit games that were aging and they rest garbage and knew they were dying.
DayZ sold a million really ? The game is buggy as all hell.
It sold over a million by the end of January this year and has been number 1 or in the top 5 since then so I can only imagine how many copies they have sold by now.
Remember open world pvp is a niche market though lol. I forgot to mention this one in particular has permanent death as well.
One million sales is pretty good indeed. How well is it doing now has it retained those numbers ? The boards here don't have much info and look sparse.
I am not at all convinced though these are early sales let's see 6 months to a year if they retain the numbers or grow then we can talk about trends and changes. Warhammer had amazing sales and so did SWTOR .Don't mean a hill of beans though a year or two down the road.
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What agreement?
I don't recall any devs sign an agreement that they owe you anything.
Really?
Do you remember agreeing to their terms?
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
Because they have the most fun. As long as they don't cheat and the developers don't change the rules or pick sides, then they are content that people spend years playing.
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
Well heck, if we're wishing for the impossible we might as well go all the way.
A competition game with no cheating would require developers who are ready, willing, and able to banhammer the holy bejeezus out of exploiters from the very beginning -- something that should have been done all the way back in UO but wasn't, giving rise to a group of people who realize that cheating is often the very best way to 'get ahead'. This is what drove off people who would have liked pvp in the first place, setting into motion the events that we see today. But a large portion of pvp players are happy to admit that they'll do anything they can to ruin the other guy's gameplay still to this day because its 'fun' to them. And until the pvp community and/or developers can and will do something about those rejects, there is no pve/pvp solution that -can- present itself. Instead, any game that tries to blend the two overly much will literally be hosting the seeds of its own demise -- how else can you describe having a group of players who openly state that their goal is to run off other players?
I don't remember they agree to anything but let us play the game as is.
I just want to clarify, seeing that you didn't. You're saying "The developers would want to make a game that caters to the worst types of players because the worst types of players have the most fun." Is that correct?
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
Yup.
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
Well I'm going to vote with the majority and say that I don't think "the worst" should even be allowed to own a computer.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
I highly doubt someone of your intelligence would agree to terms that allowed a hacker to steal all your inventory. You would do what we have to do. Quit. OR ? what the other option?
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
This discussion is rather irrelevant considering the themepark is on the way out and sandboxes are the main thing being developed and almost every one of those will contain for the most part owpvp of some sort.
Like I have said before the AI revolution is upon us as well and what are you going to do when the npcs start griefing and ganking you?
Wildstar is one of the last ones and my prediction is fail and go free to play after about 3 months.
Free to play has not been some brilliant strategy that they came up with because it was revolutionary. It came up because that was the only way to get money out of people and for them to play reskinned themepark clones of the last ten years or just plain out garbage games from developers slapping something together in their garage on the weekends.
Developers are going to start creating worlds for us to explore and live in and pvp will be a part of that. Developers are not going to make a Waltons MMO sandbox with no pvp.
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Name the themeparks that are in development please.
Then name the sandboxes in development.
That post you made tells me you don't have a counter argument that would make any sense at all. Do us all a favor and remain an observer or at least have a little more substance to you posts.
Life IS Feudal
Well you can deal with the worst type in game, because that's were they play. It's the people who think they are special who trade people for loot. They hate everybody in the end.
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
ESO and Wildstar are two themepark MMOS coming out this year. Then we have Warhammer 40K MMO. Blizzard"s Titan.
Archage is not themepark more like sandpark. EQNEXT again not a pure sandbox.
Not even going to pay any attention to the kickstarter indie MMOS because we all know how that turns out.
So what i see is mostly themepark MMOS + sandpark MMORPGS.
I suggest wake up if you think SANDBOX is the main thing being developed in future.
Maybe you should just list all the upcoming AAA budget real sandboxes with mandatory free for all owPvP first.
Just so that everyone is on the same page and opponents can't troll you.
For me the kill or die repeat a billion times to get some item ..yeah no challenge there at all. As we see in so many new F2P mmos anyone can do it.
Like "hey we can make a game were you just play on this tiny map and kill each other respawn and OMG people will PAY US to to do it." Then people are like WOW my gun has this new tint to it.. OOH I want it..
The "once you die its over" you find most never want to play that
now thats the fun ones.
Sounds like an excuse to me.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
I'm trying give ESO a little credit but to be honest it will probably have to change it's sub model as well and this title is complete basically.
Wildstar is a reskinned WoW that will last about 6 to 9 months before ftp if that long it is basically complete as far as development.
The reason they stopped production on Titan was because they knew it was going to fail because it was slated to be a themepark.
Archeage is already developed and released and has had pvp extremely reduced from original concepts. They are avoiding the western markets because themeparks don't do well here anymore.
EQNext will most closely resemble EvE Online per Smed so I guess you will have a tiny safe area to rot in similar to what EvE has in place and the rest will be OWPVP if you believe Smed.
You still didn't tell me any themeparks that were in development.
Oh and while we are at it you didn't touch on the fact I mentioned it won't be long before npcs are griefing and ganking you with new generation ai that is being developed.
Life IS Feudal
The onus of proof is on you not me. You are the one claiming that SANDBOX is the main thing being developed in future even though majority of titles are sandparks and not pure sandbox.
And do you know anything about Blizzard? they are known to lake long time with their products and TITAN is no exception. I don't know what gave you an idea that Blizzard of all big gaming companies would release a pure Sandbox MMO. yeah sure as if that is gonna happen.
Once again ARCHAGE and EQNEXT not sandbox games but more like sandparks.
Now please go ahead and give us this list of AAA SANDBOX to prove that sanbox is the main thing being developed in future.
EQNext per Smed and also the new unnamed survival sandbox that Smed announced thru his twitter that Sony is developing.
World of Darkness by CCP will be an open world sandbox with full pvp by their press release statements.
Dare I mention DayZ which sold over 1 million units in the first month of an alpha that they said not to buy. An open world MMO with full open pvp and permadeath and also it is still in the top 5 in steam sales. I will say that their number of players per server is still undecided at this point.
I could mention the large list of mostly independently financed development studios. Some of them will end up taking home the prize because the AAA studios and publishers cannot innovate with the exception being Sony. Sony has done this because they were getting into the situation where they had a stable full of shit games that were aging and they rest garbage and knew they were dying.
Life IS Feudal
DayZ sold a million really ? The game is buggy as all hell.
It sold over a million by the end of January this year and has been number 1 or in the top 5 since then so I can only imagine how many copies they have sold by now.
Remember open world pvp is a niche market though lol. I forgot to mention this one in particular has permanent death as well.
Life IS Feudal
Can you please link source of the sales .
http://www.nextpowerup.com/news/6811/dayz-standalone-version-hits-1-million-in-unit-sales.html
nvm found
It is common knowledge. Just google Dean Hall or DayZ or just check the steam stats <- I think you can do that.
Life IS Feudal
One million sales is pretty good indeed. How well is it doing now has it retained those numbers ? The boards here don't have much info and look sparse.
I am not at all convinced though these are early sales let's see 6 months to a year if they retain the numbers or grow then we can talk about trends and changes. Warhammer had amazing sales and so did SWTOR .Don't mean a hill of beans though a year or two down the road.