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Is ESO greedy?
obake90
Member Posts: 60
I been reading on ESO Forums and MMORPG forums, that ESO has been very greedy.
People saying they are leaving the game because of the cash shop, Sub, and the price of the edition. People saying it should be free to play.
My question is why? Why should it be f2p, why are you mad about a cash shop, why are you saying the edition is high?
"well, this person payed this much more then me so he has a better so and so, "
Really? So if you go to a hotel and pay for the room at Priceline.com you should get the same room as if a person who's been a loyal customer and paying a higher fee?
" I'm not going to pay for the sub, it should be free"
This is a luxury, if you don't have the money don't even think about playing a game, you should spend your extra time making more money, you cheap bast***.
$15 a month, hmm two people for a movie is $20.00 for 2hours....
" They said this and that, I want to cancel my pre order (cash shop) "
Things happen, things change, that's life.
Who cares if they charge this or that, its really up to you at the end if you are going to buy it or shop at the cash shop, who cares if the dude next to you spent $20 on a brown horse. This company needs to make money you know why? because its a company, they need to pay the DEVS for their hard work and make more games in the future.
" But i payed $70 mostly for the imperial race and after the few months people can buy it for a lower price".
You pay 10.00 to see a movie on the big screen but a few months later you can rent it for 1.00 on redbox...
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How many people long for that "past, simpler, and better world," I wonder, without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better, and not the world about them?
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I thought that since it is a P2P all the playable races would be open to those who pay a sub.
But i guess i'm wrong and "too old school". Nowadays the cool thing to do is to put paywall everywhere and be ok with it.
Who cares if that dude is playing a different race that i cannot?
the company needs to make money.
I have a great idea. Why not have an exclusive cash shop class? Hey the company needs to make money. And since it's not more powerfull (just different) it's not p2w! so it's a O-K-A-Y
... oh snap. Zenimax you have to pay me royalties for this idea don't just copy it 4-6 months from now? ok?
Sorry, I must have missed a step in your reasoning.
How does saying that ESO is greedy equates to saying that the game should be F2P?
Eagerly awaiting for a clarification.
(For one, I think they are being greedy, I would see the game as B2P rather, as I don't think the content they can pump out will be worth a quarter of the game price each month, but I still think the game is worth its box price)
Why are you trying to shove your game down our throats? People don't think it's fun enough for a sub people are tired of the industry coming out with this and us to pay for something like that.
I have the money again i spent mine on new streetbike tire for my cbr600 f4i for bike week.
I think that was a more logical investment then an un-innovative game. I have other games i have already paid for that has it's standards.
^this
No one is shoving anything down anyone's throats.. you don't think it's worth the money.. don't play.. It's simple. No reason to get angry. Just don't play.
I came for a compelling argument on the merits of ESO's decisions to monetize their game. Instead, I found a decent argument suffering from atrocious formatting and grammar.
I know you think you are compelling both man and beast with your arguments. However, the presentation is nearly as important as the content.
They are a company.. Why shouldn't they be greedy? If i was running a company I'd want to make as much profit as possible.
I must of missed something here. NOBODY is forcing anything down your throat. It is a very simple issue. Either you LIKE the game and support Zenimax and buy it OR you don't. Anything else besides this particular point is just "fluff". As for ESO being Greedy.......... IT IS A BUSINESS TRYING TO MAKE MONEY. If you do NOT like their product you simply don't buy and support it. In the end....if enough people think it is a subpar product, the company goes out of business. It is really that simple.
-Rig
That's fine, going by this line of reasoning, it is then perfectly okay that a consumer wants free products and thus that the consumer wants to play this game for free. Nothing new here either and so the whole topic is pointless.
They can make all the money they want... it just won't be mine for reason's you've stated.
you are right. doesn't make it logical to expect to be able to though.
And similarly, it doesn't make greed acceptable and logical from the point of view of the consumer (which I should remind you, you are!)
Greed is logical but not acceptable.. you expect ppl who are trying to make money to want to make as much as possible... it's up to me to decide if they have done enough for me to give it to them.
Greed is relative to your argument. If we use your parameters, any company trying to make money is "Greedy". Again I go back to my original argument.....if you do not like a product a company is putting out, simply vote with your wallet and do not purchase it. It really comes down to this singular point.
I would do $60/month for a good sub game with noi Ca$h $hop (period. Nothing. nada.No cosmetics, etc...) and content upgrade.
ESO isnt worth it- Its worth $15 month with no cash shop (even cosmetics) assuming they had content coming at a decent pace.
The cash shop + sub is greedy. If they cannot make it with $15/month plus box fee with the IP they have- There truly can never be a sub game again even at $60- No. This was pure greed and broken promises which lead me to believe the F2P people will be getting their wish within a year or so regardless of sub numbers.
The sense of entitlement in these forums are astonishing. Nobody owes you a damn thing in the business world. This is a case (it seems) that we have a lot of "experts" in the Business field that has come here to dictate how others should run their businesses. People can spin it, add caveats to the argument and rules until they are blue in the face but the simple fact will ALWAYS REMAIN IN BUSINESS. "If you have a product enough people WANT, not only will the business survive it will thrive" If not, you will not be a successful company. It is such a simple concept that keeps being missed by many here. Going by several people's argument here....I guess Walmart which is the biggest company in the world should just "give things away" because they already have enough money.
-Rig
I do not call it greed, but risky business. Double dipping signals to most players that they are very likely to go F2P in the future. This will cause players, some of them at least, to wait, which might cause them to sell less than expected, making the F2P model something that will happen rather sooner then later. This can cascade into more people realising this and deciding to wait.
It takes one to know one.
I agree. The development is largely our own fault. By purchasing from a cash shop we validate its existence. By purchasing from a cash shop we provide the producers with a new source of income; a source we have accepted. If you don't like this development then don't buy the game.. I know I'm not going to since I don't support cash shops in subscription games.
Nevertheless, I, too, believe Zenimax is acting a bit greedy. Making an entire race exclusive to those who bought the Imp edition and then allow everyone to play as one during the beta only to lure in more people is not okay in my books. But a company will naturally try to maximize profits by any means allowed by the customers. Don't buy their products if you're against their decisions.. It's the only way you can change the development. Public criticism is also great, as long as you can provide sound arguments
Well said.
Why? i admit i was wrong in thinking that paying a p2p game should give me 100% of the gameplay.
I'm too old fashioned.... we should open way to the "new p2p model"
Don't support the business model that they apparently are leaning towards, along with enough of those who feel the same way, and I guarantee you as the sun rises in the east......they will change it so fast your head will spin. The reason this type of behavior continues is the consumer allows it to by patronizing it.
-Rig
-Also well said.
They will get away withe everything they can . They will push the limits of what they can make $$$ off of. As their shareholders expect-A I would do.
Its still greed imho- Doesnt mean I dont understand it.
Consumers need to take a stand or expect more and more- Vote with your dollar if you oppose this. I do...But I am in the minority which is why this is becoming an accepted business model which will get worse and worse. =(
It was mostly the tone of your post. Its perfectly acceptable to not like a system.. but all you were saying is... someone else has something that I want and I can't get. I don't really feel its about new age vs traditional.. it's simple as rig states.." buy or don't buy". I feel the emotional attachment is unnecessary.