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Avariel
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Can any DAOC player tell me if I can be a pure crafter in this game? As in start at level 1 and just craft, gain experience through crafting and survive as just a crafter?
Thanks for your help.
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No, its not really practical to be a pure crafter in DAoC. At least not with your first character. Unlike in WoW or EQ2 or Horizons where you gather the resources in DAoC you have to buy them so you'd have to be out adventuring to gain the gold to do so.
Richard J. Cox
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Ok thanks very much.
Actually you could do some simple delivery quests to get a couple of silver to get started, then you can do consignment tasks. This is where your Trainer tells you to make a certain item and deliver it to a certain NPC in town somewhere (sort of a crafting quest).
They will pay you more than the item is worth. This caps out at a certain level though, and from there you will need to either make a lot of sales, or spend what cash you have horded up.
While there is no cap to your crafting level (you can be a Legendary Armorcrafter at level one), you dont receive EXP for crafting though...
Yep if you just do the noob quests to start the game then use the money acquired to get started and do consignment tasks you can get a nice stockpile of cash to build your crafting skills with. Eventually there are certain items you can make that you will make a profit on selling them back to vendors (I am not sure which ones as I haven't crafted in a while but they're out there, they're in the 'trinkets' lines). In this way you CAN be a 'pure' crafter once you get a tiny nest egg started. (Literally only a few silver which you can easily get within the course of the tutorial quests which drop off at level 6).
I can't remember the URL but there's a REALLY good site for folks who like to craft in DAOC. Has all kinds of info. I'll have to go digging and see if I can find it again.
Matter of fact on the larger servers if you let it be known that you want to be a crafter on the newbie guild chat some of the vets that are in the noob guild may pay you a visit and give you a decent nest egg of a few gold here and there. Plenty to get you going anyway.
The DAOC community isn't OVERTLY friendly but when asked I have yet to meet a vet that won't help a new player out. As long as that new player isn't being an annoying begger. Now that I have a 40th level toon I've even been known to donate stuff to low levels who are struggling.
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Oh. So, although you don't gain experience you do become a better craftsman? So improving as a craftsman isn't experience related?
Every time you make something that is around your skill level you have a chance of gaining a skill point. You skill level is really just your total points. Items you craft con to you same as creatures you would fight etc. Yellow is an even con, blue and green below you, orange and red above you, etc.
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
Just being a crafter as your first character is simply not viable. The only way to do it would be with guild support. However, if you are new to the game I doubt a guild would just give you gold to go craft and that is the only way you could do it.
Items in DAOC are level based. The higher the level the more the material cost. Most people will not bother buying armor until at least 20 and often much higher. Further, crafted items are worthless unless they have been turning into magical items from spellcrafters and alchemists. How much magic can be put into an item depends on the quality of the object you make. The higher the quality the better. This means that most people will want 99% or 100% quality items.
You can salvage for money. This means once you get around 800 in weaponcrafting or armor you start buying 'seals.' These you exchange for armor/weapons. You then destroy these items by salvaging them. You then turn them into trinkets. You can then sell the trinkets for money. So you buy the seals at a lower cost than their value in salvage in order to make profit.
If you want to make money actually crafting then you will need to wait until you have reached the top tier. Then you will need to buy a house, a porch, and a merchant to sell your goods. At minimum I think that will run 2.8 plat.
So let me sum it up this way. You could do consignment tasks and quests to help you level up. However even if it were somehow possible to make it to 800 and then have enough money to trinket to support yourself up to max level as a crafter, it would be a lot quicker to get to level 50 and make lots of plat along the way and then just start crafting.
I am serious. It is so easy to level now that you can make it to 50 and then powercraft to LGM status in less time that you could by staying level 1 and trying to craft having to do all of those quests.
Also, if you are in this for the money then go for spellcrafting. There are no consignment tasks to earn money off of. It will take between 12-14 p to get there but you will also be able to make the most money in the game. There are too few Scers, fewer who will actually craft for other people, it takes a long time to enchant items, and it is so painfully boring that if you decide to do that you can make a huge amount of money.
Pretty much what Julian said. Crafting requires massive gold to Plat. Houses are the base for vendors and they require steady plat. You can't even trade between your toons without 2 accounts. A bazaar in the main palace where the vault is would have been nice. Even one that had a gold price cap and or a quote price, forced sell system. The current system makes crafting a forced l33t system because you need so much gold to make it work.
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And FTR, my Main toon is a spell crafter Julian. Not finished. I have no where close to 14 plat and unless the game takes a massive change in the next 12 levels, won't have 14 Plat for a while. At 38th level, 550 gold is the most I have been able to accumulate.
Ok thanks for the replies everyone. Scratch DAOC off my list then.
although I think crafting needs an overhaul, I highly disagree that at this point in the game you can not make it as just a crafter. If you take 2 hours of your night, and do task dungeons to level 10 you will have enough gold to start a trade. I did it with my druid, started off with 5 gold, and by doing tasks, and crafting for players (Since most crafters these days craft for themselves or guild only) I made a very nice living and I was able to fund myself through Amoursmith up to level 600. At this point, If I were to sell my warez in town, I could save up.
What they should have said, is its Very HARD to do, if you do not have the paitence. But to say you can't do it with out leveling is a falsehood, my level 10 AC is proof of that considering he gets no help from my main class in terms of cash flow.
Crafting needs to be overhauled though, I think you should at least try the 14 free day trial and see what you think. Hell if you start an alb or hib, ill tell you my server and ill fund your crafting start if you do not want to try it the hard way, as long as I get stuff made for me at cost.
Lots of people work out deals like this, you just have to be resourceful.
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