Greed is relative to your argument. If we use your parameters, any company trying to make money is "Greedy". Again I go back to my original argument.....if you do not like a product a company is putting out, simply vote with your wallet and do not purchase it. It really comes down to this singular point.
I agree. The development is largely our own fault. By purchasing from a cash shop we validate its existence. By purchasing from a cash shop we provide the producers with a new source of income; a source we have accepted. If you don't like this development then don't buy the game.. I know I'm not going to since I don't support cash shops in subscription games.
Nevertheless, I, too, believe Zenimax is acting a bit greedy. Making an entire race exclusive to those who bought the Imp edition and then allow everyone to play as one during the beta only to lure in more people is not okay in my books. But a company will naturally try to maximize profits by any means allowed by the customers. Don't buy their products if you're against their decisions.. It's the only way you can change the development. Public criticism is also great, as long as you can provide sound arguments
Ever hear of something called a Sample, that is what the last beta is or was a Sample if you liked it then you might bye it. That is all it was.
Originally posted by Horusra I love how people that want the game to be F2P always insult the game. When if they are fighting that is should be F2P means they want to play it....that hurts my brain.
When people want the game to go F2P it means they feel while it's got playing potential it's generally not worth continually paying $15 a month especially when there are B2P and F2P games out there that offer a lot more playability yet don't require a sub fee. Also a lot of sub games tend to suffer from the "we got your money" syndrome where there is a lack of content getting released even though the subscription numbers/initial revenue from launch could be healthy enough, I'd personally rather not chuck more money at a game until I'm satisfied that there's enough content.
The reason why older games like WoW, EVE or UO get away with this is that they've already released a ton of content over the years plus they have over a decades experience of releasing fresh content... as well as the fact models like F2P didn't exist back then for the games to compete up against. Now there's far more higher expectation to what an MMO should have at launch for players to burn through and if there's not then the temptation of other games offering the same for free is something the player isn't going to ignore... as well as the fact with most MMO's I've seen over the past 3 years the developers seem to sit around with their thumb up their bums for the first few months while we pay to literally beta test.
At least with F2P if the developers don't work hard enough they don't get your money, however the issue most have with F2P is not with the model in general but how a lot of developers of failed sub games tend to blindly slap pay gates on content and a cash shop then call their game F2P. To me a perfect F2P model should be on the game at launch and the game designed around the model in a fair way which is why I fear this game is going to go down exactly the same path as SWTOR and LoTRO with highly restrictive slapped on F2P models that probably do more harm than good and the reason you all complain when F2P is ever mentioned.
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I regard my question to be as ridiculous as the OPs, and as worthy of an answer. Lets see what is in the cash shop before we start talking about TESO's finance model.
@MTiibbs1989 The latter half of your statement is pretty much standard practice in the budiness world. I don't see why gaming would do the opposite. I know I would...
To me, it doesn't matter if they're greedy. They may be, but so are many other companies. EA is greedy. Blizzard/Activision is greedy. Ubisoft is greedy. Zenimax is greedy? Of course. They want money out of their work, as much as possible.
To me it's up to the customer to decide if their product is worth putting up with their greediness. With EA, Blizzard/Activision and Ubisoft, a lot of the time you can live with them being greedy, because they are competent and put out there some of the best games of the market.
Zenimax? Nope. Incompetence and greediness don't glue well.
My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.
Box + sub is absolutely fine by me but I'd be very pissed if they'd introduced in-game cash shop. With extensive cash shop this game would go downhill very fast. So at least for now I cannot see greed anywhere, just a traditional business model which I happen to prefer over f2p crap and even over b2p.
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I been reading on ESO Forums and MMORPG forums, that ESO has been very greedy.
People saying they are leaving the game because of the cash shop, Sub, and the price of the edition. People saying it should be free to play.
My question is why? Why should it be f2p, why are you mad about a cash shop, why are you saying the edition is high?
well its quality its NOT ENOUGH to justify a subscription model + in game cash shop ... actually if it was a b2p + cash shop title it would be ok, and i would bought it too, but no their payment model compared with what they offer looks pretty greedy ...
Originally posted by Bossalinie @MTiibbs1989 The latter half of your statement is pretty much standard practice in the budiness world. I don't see why gaming would do the opposite. I know I would...
So standard practice makes it right? Huh, no thanks.
So you are done with new MMOs? Can we hold you to that?
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I've said this during beta the game feels like it should be either a buy to play like GW2 with no monthly fee or it should be a downloaded game with a monthly fee without buying the game. and the cash shop in GW2 was offering more appearance type stuff and utility like extra character slots, ect.
to some people buying discs makes it feel like you should own a part of the game or at least your character and progress instead of it basically being you renting the game for a long period of time from the company.
subs are good it makes things equal and keeps out the crazy freebee players.
As far as a cash shop if they wanna sell cool mounts and stuff by all means go for it long as they arent selling pwoer which they arent same as wow cash shop then its fine either buy or dont buy personaly I wont buy but it doesnt bother me if you want a giant sprakling unicorn mount and I have a lame horse at same spd :P
I been reading on ESO Forums and MMORPG forums, that ESO has been very greedy.
People saying they are leaving the game because of the cash shop, Sub, and the price of the edition. People saying it should be free to play.
My question is why? Why should it be f2p, why are you mad about a cash shop, why are you saying the edition is high?
"well, this person payed this much more then me so he has a better so and so, "
Really? So if you go to a hotel and pay for the room at Priceline.com you should get the same room as if a person who's been a loyal customer and paying a higher fee?
" I'm not going to pay for the sub, it should be free"
This is a luxury, if you don't have the money don't even think about playing a game, you should spend your extra time making more money, you cheap bast***.
$15 a month, hmm two people for a movie is $20.00 for 2hours....
" They said this and that, I want to cancel my pre order (cash shop) "
Things happen, things change, that's life.
Who cares if they charge this or that, its really up to you at the end if you are going to buy it or shop at the cash shop, who cares if the dude next to you spent $20 on a brown horse. This company needs to make money you know why? because its a company, they need to pay the DEVS for their hard work and make more games in the future.
" But i payed $70 mostly for the imperial race and after the few months people can buy it for a lower price".
You pay 10.00 to see a movie on the big screen but a few months later you can rent it for 1.00 on redbox...
As a developer looking in from the outside all I can say is the following:
Zenemax realized a while ago that their product isn't up to snuff to survive in the modern market so they're going to try and get as much money out of people during the "Rose Glasses" period. Box + Sub + CashShop burn strategy is a good thing prior to going F2P for big business so they can save face even after they turn hoards away.
If ESO were truly a title worth P2P it would NOT have a cash shop, or at least a cash shop that sells things other than pure cosmetics for uber cheap.
From what i've read and seen for myself over the last two weekends ESO is not a title worthy of P2P, but is nothing more than a title worth F2P at best. It is more of the same StoryLine themepark hand-holding that gets old after a month or two before people burn everything and quit unless they make it all so grindy that it isn't worth it for the casuals they targeted to begin with.
A GOOD Publisher, aka: the guys telling the developers which buttons to press, either goes solid P2P with no cash shop, maybe one that only sells cosmetics which means NO XP BOOSTERS EITHER, or goes pure F2P. When they double dip it is a sure sign that the game is either dieing (WoW) or the game isn't worth the sub & box to begin with (ESO).
Just my two sents, but then again as i've said before I'm used to Publishers/Product Managers treating customers with respect.
Pretty much all businesses are greedy in the sense that they try to get as much $ as they can, regardless of how we feel or if what they offer is really worth it. Thats their job-to squeeze every penny out of us. The trick is how much can they charge or squeeze and not lose enough customers to start to lose $ by their greed. Seems to me that mmos are starting to go over the line with their greed and are starting to lose gamers. I haven't played an mmo for about a year now, as recent games bore me, as they don't seem to be succeeding at making a fun game, just making a game to push us into CS. For me I don't see myself playing a p2p game with a CS, unless its a hybrid where by subbing everything is included. If I'm paying a sub, I'm not paying for anything else. If game mechanics are in place to inconvenience gamer into having to use CS as well, i won't be playing.
I actually like DDO freemium, all content and $ to spend in CS for cosmetics or whatnot. If I can play whole game without paying beyond sub, i think its fair.
Originally posted by Bossalinie @MTiibbs1989 The latter half of your statement is pretty much standard practice in the business world. I don't see why gaming would do the opposite. I know I would...
So standard practice makes it right? Huh, no thanks.
It's about as right as it is wrong.
What's the difference between a person who accepts to pay for the service and one who refuses to pay for it?
I been reading on ESO Forums and MMORPG forums, that ESO has been very greedy.
People saying they are leaving the game because of the cash shop, Sub, and the price of the edition. People saying it should be free to play.
My question is why? Why should it be f2p, why are you mad about a cash shop, why are you saying the edition is high?
"well, this person payed this much more then me so he has a better so and so, "
Really? So if you go to a hotel and pay for the room at Priceline.com you should get the same room as if a person who's been a loyal customer and paying a higher fee?
" I'm not going to pay for the sub, it should be free"
This is a luxury, if you don't have the money don't even think about playing a game, you should spend your extra time making more money, you cheap bast***.
$15 a month, hmm two people for a movie is $20.00 for 2hours....
" They said this and that, I want to cancel my pre order (cash shop) "
Things happen, things change, that's life.
Who cares if they charge this or that, its really up to you at the end if you are going to buy it or shop at the cash shop, who cares if the dude next to you spent $20 on a brown horse. This company needs to make money you know why? because its a company, they need to pay the DEVS for their hard work and make more games in the future.
" But i payed $70 mostly for the imperial race and after the few months people can buy it for a lower price".
You pay 10.00 to see a movie on the big screen but a few months later you can rent it for 1.00 on redbox...
As a developer looking in from the outside all I can say is the following:
Zenemax realized a while ago that their product isn't up to snuff to survive in the modern market so they're going to try and get as much money out of people during the "Rose Glasses" period. Box + Sub + CashShop burn strategy is a good thing prior to going F2P for big business so they can save face even after they turn hoards away.
If ESO were truly a title worth P2P it would NOT have a cash shop, or at least a cash shop that sells things other than pure cosmetics for uber cheap.
From what i've read and seen for myself over the last two weekends ESO is not a title worthy of P2P, but is nothing more than a title worth F2P at best. It is more of the same StoryLine themepark hand-holding that gets old after a month or two before people burn everything and quit unless they make it all so grindy that it isn't worth it for the casuals they targeted to begin with.
A GOOD Publisher, aka: the guys telling the developers which buttons to press, either goes solid P2P with no cash shop, maybe one that only sells cosmetics which means NO XP BOOSTERS EITHER, or goes pure F2P. When they double dip it is a sure sign that the game is either dieing (WoW) or the game isn't worth the sub & box to begin with (ESO).
Just my two sents, but then again as i've said before I'm used to Publishers/Product Managers treating customers with respect.
Sincerely,
Bear
I am highly doubting you are a developer. If you were then you would have looked closer at the "cash shop" and seen it is basically account upgrades for the imperial edition and no xp boosts or anything else. If you are a developer you have a poor critical analysis eye.
Some businesses make a tidy profit without trying to wring max profits from consumers. Some of us like not being nice keled and times like so many games, both mmo's and other games, seem to do. I hate first day DLC. I'd rather pay a bit more upfront than a bit more every few weeks if I enjoy the game. But enough people don't mind so I guess I have to get used to it, sigh.
What I don't get is why people are flipping out over a cash shop.
They've already confirmed the only thing they will ever properly sell is services. They may choose to include the odd mount skin, non-combat pet or social armor sets but how is that any different from EVERY MMO on the market?
It's just doomsaying to assume they're somehow going to radically alter their business model and change their cash shop somehow.
Sure, everyone is speculating that the Imperial race is going to cost money but has Zenimax confirmed the ONLY way to get that race is by paying money? Perhaps you get it when you finish the entire story (all 3 factions, NG+ stuff).
Selling character services and "fun" stuff as they put it is just good business, not some kinda future projection of a game you know is destined to fail: no one knows that. You can't even make a solid prediction because you just don't know what people are going to commit to ultimately. Who knew that Eve would be successful? Who knew that the quest-based leveling WoW introduced would revolutionize the industry? I knew people that said the exact same doomsay comments about how WoW was gonna fail and quest based leveling was gonna fail hard because MMO gamers wanted the grind.
It may do amazing, it may do awful in the long run. I highly doubt they are building their game around the latter. What company would?
"Hey uh.. Mr. CEO, this game really sucks. We didn't really design it that great and our economists think it has 3 months at best. Quickly rip off the community as fast as you can before that time" - Said no company ever.
I want them to make as much money as possible off the game. Sub, collectors, and vanity cash shop are perfect. The end result is that they have plenty of money to pump out quality content at a good pace.
I been reading on ESO Forums and MMORPG forums, that ESO has been very greedy.
People saying they are leaving the game because of the cash shop, Sub, and the price of the edition. People saying it should be free to play.
My question is why? Why should it be f2p, why are you mad about a cash shop, why are you saying the edition is high?
"well, this person payed this much more then me so he has a better so and so, "
Really? So if you go to a hotel and pay for the room at Priceline.com you should get the same room as if a person who's been a loyal customer and paying a higher fee?
" I'm not going to pay for the sub, it should be free"
This is a luxury, if you don't have the money don't even think about playing a game, you should spend your extra time making more money, you cheap bast***.
$15 a month, hmm two people for a movie is $20.00 for 2hours....
" They said this and that, I want to cancel my pre order (cash shop) "
Things happen, things change, that's life.
Who cares if they charge this or that, its really up to you at the end if you are going to buy it or shop at the cash shop, who cares if the dude next to you spent $20 on a brown horse. This company needs to make money you know why? because its a company, they need to pay the DEVS for their hard work and make more games in the future.
" But i payed $70 mostly for the imperial race and after the few months people can buy it for a lower price".
You pay 10.00 to see a movie on the big screen but a few months later you can rent it for 1.00 on redbox...
What cash shop do the have honest you have read something but you have not even been there and you make post about?
The only cash shop the have is that the selling there game there serious and you think that is greedy?
So the are greedy for have sub fee base system just like WoW just for the dont have F2P option dont make a company greedy shall we talk about greedy mmo company shall we take Blizzard the are greedy company the have
Pet battle pet the sell for real money the price is €10
Mount the are sell for real money the price is €20
LvL 90 Character Boost sell for real money €50
Transmong helms sell for real money €12
Game Service like factions change it range from €8 all way up to €25 depende what Game Service you need
Then top all off with a monthly sub fee for €12.99 each month to play there game and you think ESO is greedy honest no mmorpg company is not even close being as greedy as Blizzard are and some people may say that you dont need spend money on anything in blizzard cash shop that is true but take them who play on dead server in WoW the will use Game Service to move there char and the are people buy other thing from blizzard cash shop and blizzard know this that is why selling thing there and blizzard have add 3 cash shop button there the have more cash shop button then most F2P game have.
No Zenimax is not greedy for sell there own game in web shop the dont even have cash shop in game so how can the be greedy???
Free to play: I can choose how much I pay, but the less I pay the more inconviences the game bothers me with.
Subscription: I pay a fixed amount each month, to get all the game has to offer, including free content updates (not necessarily free expansions), and have the same chances as everybody else.
initial purchase: I buy the game once, and accept that I have to pay for additional expansions or maybe DLCs.
But everything combined in one game? That is too much, and for me reason alone not to play the game.
I been reading on ESO Forums and MMORPG forums, that ESO has been very greedy.
People saying they are leaving the game because of the cash shop, Sub, and the price of the edition. People saying it should be free to play.
My question is why? Why should it be f2p, why are you mad about a cash shop, why are you saying the edition is high?
"well, this person payed this much more then me so he has a better so and so, "
Really? So if you go to a hotel and pay for the room at Priceline.com you should get the same room as if a person who's been a loyal customer and paying a higher fee?
" I'm not going to pay for the sub, it should be free"
This is a luxury, if you don't have the money don't even think about playing a game, you should spend your extra time making more money, you cheap bast***.
$15 a month, hmm two people for a movie is $20.00 for 2hours....
" They said this and that, I want to cancel my pre order (cash shop) "
Things happen, things change, that's life.
Who cares if they charge this or that, its really up to you at the end if you are going to buy it or shop at the cash shop, who cares if the dude next to you spent $20 on a brown horse. This company needs to make money you know why? because its a company, they need to pay the DEVS for their hard work and make more games in the future.
" But i payed $70 mostly for the imperial race and after the few months people can buy it for a lower price".
You pay 10.00 to see a movie on the big screen but a few months later you can rent it for 1.00 on redbox...
As a developer looking in from the outside all I can say is the following:
Zenemax realized a while ago that their product isn't up to snuff to survive in the modern market so they're going to try and get as much money out of people during the "Rose Glasses" period. Box + Sub + CashShop burn strategy is a good thing prior to going F2P for big business so they can save face even after they turn hoards away.
If ESO were truly a title worth P2P it would NOT have a cash shop, or at least a cash shop that sells things other than pure cosmetics for uber cheap.
From what i've read and seen for myself over the last two weekends ESO is not a title worthy of P2P, but is nothing more than a title worth F2P at best. It is more of the same StoryLine themepark hand-holding that gets old after a month or two before people burn everything and quit unless they make it all so grindy that it isn't worth it for the casuals they targeted to begin with.
A GOOD Publisher, aka: the guys telling the developers which buttons to press, either goes solid P2P with no cash shop, maybe one that only sells cosmetics which means NO XP BOOSTERS EITHER, or goes pure F2P. When they double dip it is a sure sign that the game is either dieing (WoW) or the game isn't worth the sub & box to begin with (ESO).
Just my two sents, but then again as i've said before I'm used to Publishers/Product Managers treating customers with respect.
Sincerely,
Bear
I am highly doubting you are a developer. If you were then you would have looked closer at the "cash shop" and seen it is basically account upgrades for the imperial edition and no xp boosts or anything else. If you are a developer you have a poor critical analysis eye.
Mounts and playable races in cash shop while having subs.
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Ever hear of something called a Sample, that is what the last beta is or was a Sample if you liked it then you might bye it. That is all it was.
When people want the game to go F2P it means they feel while it's got playing potential it's generally not worth continually paying $15 a month especially when there are B2P and F2P games out there that offer a lot more playability yet don't require a sub fee. Also a lot of sub games tend to suffer from the "we got your money" syndrome where there is a lack of content getting released even though the subscription numbers/initial revenue from launch could be healthy enough, I'd personally rather not chuck more money at a game until I'm satisfied that there's enough content.
The reason why older games like WoW, EVE or UO get away with this is that they've already released a ton of content over the years plus they have over a decades experience of releasing fresh content... as well as the fact models like F2P didn't exist back then for the games to compete up against. Now there's far more higher expectation to what an MMO should have at launch for players to burn through and if there's not then the temptation of other games offering the same for free is something the player isn't going to ignore... as well as the fact with most MMO's I've seen over the past 3 years the developers seem to sit around with their thumb up their bums for the first few months while we pay to literally beta test.
At least with F2P if the developers don't work hard enough they don't get your money, however the issue most have with F2P is not with the model in general but how a lot of developers of failed sub games tend to blindly slap pay gates on content and a cash shop then call their game F2P. To me a perfect F2P model should be on the game at launch and the game designed around the model in a fair way which is why I fear this game is going to go down exactly the same path as SWTOR and LoTRO with highly restrictive slapped on F2P models that probably do more harm than good and the reason you all complain when F2P is ever mentioned.
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I regard my question to be as ridiculous as the OPs, and as worthy of an answer. Lets see what is in the cash shop before we start talking about TESO's finance model.
To me, it doesn't matter if they're greedy. They may be, but so are many other companies. EA is greedy. Blizzard/Activision is greedy. Ubisoft is greedy. Zenimax is greedy? Of course. They want money out of their work, as much as possible.
To me it's up to the customer to decide if their product is worth putting up with their greediness. With EA, Blizzard/Activision and Ubisoft, a lot of the time you can live with them being greedy, because they are competent and put out there some of the best games of the market.
Zenimax? Nope. Incompetence and greediness don't glue well.
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well its quality its NOT ENOUGH to justify a subscription model + in game cash shop ... actually if it was a b2p + cash shop title it would be ok, and i would bought it too, but no their payment model compared with what they offer looks pretty greedy ...
So you are done with new MMOs? Can we hold you to that?
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I've said this during beta the game feels like it should be either a buy to play like GW2 with no monthly fee or it should be a downloaded game with a monthly fee without buying the game. and the cash shop in GW2 was offering more appearance type stuff and utility like extra character slots, ect.
to some people buying discs makes it feel like you should own a part of the game or at least your character and progress instead of it basically being you renting the game for a long period of time from the company.
subs are good it makes things equal and keeps out the crazy freebee players.
As far as a cash shop if they wanna sell cool mounts and stuff by all means go for it long as they arent selling pwoer which they arent same as wow cash shop then its fine either buy or dont buy personaly I wont buy but it doesnt bother me if you want a giant sprakling unicorn mount and I have a lame horse at same spd :P
As a developer looking in from the outside all I can say is the following:
Zenemax realized a while ago that their product isn't up to snuff to survive in the modern market so they're going to try and get as much money out of people during the "Rose Glasses" period. Box + Sub + CashShop burn strategy is a good thing prior to going F2P for big business so they can save face even after they turn hoards away.
If ESO were truly a title worth P2P it would NOT have a cash shop, or at least a cash shop that sells things other than pure cosmetics for uber cheap.
From what i've read and seen for myself over the last two weekends ESO is not a title worthy of P2P, but is nothing more than a title worth F2P at best. It is more of the same StoryLine themepark hand-holding that gets old after a month or two before people burn everything and quit unless they make it all so grindy that it isn't worth it for the casuals they targeted to begin with.
A GOOD Publisher, aka: the guys telling the developers which buttons to press, either goes solid P2P with no cash shop, maybe one that only sells cosmetics which means NO XP BOOSTERS EITHER, or goes pure F2P. When they double dip it is a sure sign that the game is either dieing (WoW) or the game isn't worth the sub & box to begin with (ESO).
Just my two sents, but then again as i've said before I'm used to Publishers/Product Managers treating customers with respect.
Sincerely,
Bear
Pretty much all businesses are greedy in the sense that they try to get as much $ as they can, regardless of how we feel or if what they offer is really worth it. Thats their job-to squeeze every penny out of us. The trick is how much can they charge or squeeze and not lose enough customers to start to lose $ by their greed. Seems to me that mmos are starting to go over the line with their greed and are starting to lose gamers. I haven't played an mmo for about a year now, as recent games bore me, as they don't seem to be succeeding at making a fun game, just making a game to push us into CS. For me I don't see myself playing a p2p game with a CS, unless its a hybrid where by subbing everything is included. If I'm paying a sub, I'm not paying for anything else. If game mechanics are in place to inconvenience gamer into having to use CS as well, i won't be playing.
I actually like DDO freemium, all content and $ to spend in CS for cosmetics or whatnot. If I can play whole game without paying beyond sub, i think its fair.
It's about as right as it is wrong.
What's the difference between a person who accepts to pay for the service and one who refuses to pay for it?
A decision...
I am highly doubting you are a developer. If you were then you would have looked closer at the "cash shop" and seen it is basically account upgrades for the imperial edition and no xp boosts or anything else. If you are a developer you have a poor critical analysis eye.
What I don't get is why people are flipping out over a cash shop.
They've already confirmed the only thing they will ever properly sell is services. They may choose to include the odd mount skin, non-combat pet or social armor sets but how is that any different from EVERY MMO on the market?
It's just doomsaying to assume they're somehow going to radically alter their business model and change their cash shop somehow.
Sure, everyone is speculating that the Imperial race is going to cost money but has Zenimax confirmed the ONLY way to get that race is by paying money? Perhaps you get it when you finish the entire story (all 3 factions, NG+ stuff).
Selling character services and "fun" stuff as they put it is just good business, not some kinda future projection of a game you know is destined to fail: no one knows that. You can't even make a solid prediction because you just don't know what people are going to commit to ultimately. Who knew that Eve would be successful? Who knew that the quest-based leveling WoW introduced would revolutionize the industry? I knew people that said the exact same doomsay comments about how WoW was gonna fail and quest based leveling was gonna fail hard because MMO gamers wanted the grind.
It may do amazing, it may do awful in the long run. I highly doubt they are building their game around the latter. What company would?
"Hey uh.. Mr. CEO, this game really sucks. We didn't really design it that great and our economists think it has 3 months at best. Quickly rip off the community as fast as you can before that time" - Said no company ever.
What cash shop do the have honest you have read something but you have not even been there and you make post about?
The only cash shop the have is that the selling there game there serious and you think that is greedy?
So the are greedy for have sub fee base system just like WoW just for the dont have F2P option dont make a company greedy shall we talk about greedy mmo company shall we take Blizzard the are greedy company the have
For me it's like that:
Free to play: I can choose how much I pay, but the less I pay the more inconviences the game bothers me with.
Subscription: I pay a fixed amount each month, to get all the game has to offer, including free content updates (not necessarily free expansions), and have the same chances as everybody else.
initial purchase: I buy the game once, and accept that I have to pay for additional expansions or maybe DLCs.
But everything combined in one game? That is too much, and for me reason alone not to play the game.
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
Mounts and playable races in cash shop while having subs.
And they didn't even launch the game.
You have poor critical analysis eye