its certainly not a bad mmo, but there are lots of things that i dint understand from Zenimax.
The oldschool UI elements The Interface The Inventory Horrible animations for both casting and walking Impact of your damage is almost invisible Doing pvp and shooting your enemy without seeing if you hit it or missed your shot kinda sucks major balls. Realy hard to target their healer/'s when people stack up, imposible tbh. Locking Imperial Race + Gear away behind a collectors edition while also asking a subscription....... I heared the Horse you get with it is also the fastest horse ingame so for pvp its kinda mandatory to have that stuff (not 100% sure about it tough)
Let me guess, is this your first elder scrolls game?
ES games always had terrible UI that modders had to fix because on Zenimax/Bethesda's behalf. The worst offender is Skyrim especially with its oversimplified inventory that didn't even let you properly organize all your items in it.
Horrible animations for walking and casting? The worst offender of that was, well... all of the ES games. I think morrowind takes the cake though because your character in that game walked like he/she had a stick so far up his/her arse, literally.
As for for the additional pay content, this is still nothing when you had to pay for the horse armor dlc in Oblivion.
As for pvp, I believe it's like that for the ES games as well. Have you tried some of Morrowind's combat, mister? Some of the finest you'll ever see in an rpg. I swear.
I don't get the hate this game gets. If you don't like Elder Scrolls in general, fair enough, but those who do, the mmo aspects don't actually make the game THAT much worse than your regular ES entry. The broken quests are still there, the so-bad-it's-good writing as well. If anything, ESO's awfulness should make you feel right at home.
And if you disagree, either you're hallucinating, or you've only played Elder Scrolls with mods.
Loved my time in ESO beta and I've pre-ordered it, but I'm worried by the amount of game-breaking bugs. So far, I've only had access to a couple of zones on each alliance, but both of them had several bugged quests with mobs or objects that didn't respawn or objectives that didn't get updated like they were supposed to. If the rest of the zones have the same standard, then the game is in for a rough start and I can even see it flop because of it.
There are also a lot of non game-breaking bugs like my hotbars getting reset or switching from primary weapon to secondary weapon hotbar even if I don't switch weapon. I also got dismounted a lot for no apparent reason and several times my character got stuck in an animation.
ZOS/Bethesda are notorius for their bugridden games and their inability to fix these bugs. Skyrim, Rage, Fallout 3, Brink and earlier Elder Scrolls games are all full of bugs that only get fixed by patches made by the community. These quests have been bugged in every beta weekend I've been in and I'm really starting to worry that they'll stay that way after launch.
So long story short, yeah, I have mixed feelings... But I'm also willing to give them the benefit of doubt, because the game as such is quite promising (in my opinion).
We are not talking about Skyrim with or without mods here m8. We are talking about an mmo where pvp is central and you need to be quick on your feet.
When playing pvp you need info on your target to see buffs and debuffs, you also want to target or CC healers. This is almost imposible with the horrible ui, and for a game that is going to be released within 10 days i can only say goodluck with that crap.
You may have your own vieuw and bias m8, but i have done alot of pvp and ESO is a joke compared to 8/10 other mmo that have pvp.
Want to make a bet how long ESO will last with a sub ?
We are not talking about Skyrim with or without mods here m8. We are talking about an mmo where pvp is central and you need to be quick on your feet.
When playing pvp you need info on your target to see buffs and debuffs, you also want to target or CC healers. This is almost imposible with the horrible ui, and for a game that is going to be released within 10 days i can only say goodluck with that crap.
You may have your own vieuw and bias m8, but i have done alot of pvp and ESO is a joke compared to 8/10 other mmo that have pvp.
Want to make a bet how long ESO will last with a sub ?
That's what I'm saying. Elder Scrolls is awful in general, and you shouldn't expect much from Zenimax. I can't predict how long the game will last, as things can still change, and they can still fix a lot of things, as they did with the numerous patches that Obv and Skyrim had.
I'm just not surprised at all about how the ESO Beta currently turned out the way it did.
We are not talking about Skyrim with or without mods here m8. We are talking about an mmo where pvp is central and you need to be quick on your feet.
When playing pvp you need info on your target to see buffs and debuffs, you also want to target or CC healers. This is almost imposible with the horrible ui, and for a game that is going to be released within 10 days i can only say goodluck with that crap.
You may have your own vieuw and bias m8, but i have done alot of pvp and ESO is a joke compared to 8/10 other mmo that have pvp.
Want to make a bet how long ESO will last with a sub ?
That's what I'm saying. Elder Scrolls is awful in general, and you shouldn't expect much from Zenimax. I can't predict how long the game will last, as things can still change, and they can still fix a lot of things, as they did with the numerous patches that Obv and Skyrim had.
I'm just not surprised at all about how the ESO Beta currently turned out the way it did.
Despite my criticism of the game, its far from the worst MMO out there. All in all it is fairly average in all regards. The problem being that the IP deserved a lot better, which is why people skew their criticisms towards negativity / hatred.
It is pretty much in the same ballpark as SWTOR. That game got a lot of negative criticism as well because KOTOR was such a well loved series, and SWTOR was pretty average.
Because in a p2p world, there's better offer than ESO.
Ok, name 3 AAA fantasy MMOs that are P2P and better than ESO - in your opinion.
I mean, if you have better offers than ESO, the choice is easy, play those.
To answer you question, I have mixed feelings about the game. It's not a great game. That's why I'm going to play it for the free month and then decide if it's worth the monthly sub. And my opinion of the game is not going to change with its price. Either it's a good game or bad. If it's good, it's worth paying for, it's bad, it's not worth worrying about in the first place.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
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Despite my criticism of the game, its far from the worst MMO out there. All in all it is fairly average in all regards. The problem being that the IP deserved a lot better, which is why people skew their criticisms towards negativity / hatred.
It is pretty much in the same ballpark as SWTOR. That game got a lot of negative criticism as well because KOTOR was such a well loved series, and SWTOR was pretty average.
I just want to point this out, most of the top aaa mmos I've played were actually average. Just by being an mmo often means it's never going to be as good as a single player rpg experience.
I personally don't think the IP deserves much better. ESO is on par with other ES games in terms of quality, except this time it's an mmo.
So instead of an another awful single player game, we got an awful multiplayer game.
Loved it! In fact I bought the Imp version before I even played any beta (been in last 2 now), but getting in early was only because my 1st mmo sweetheart was DAoC (EU), and I miss her dearly.
Why?
I dunno, because I'm not even a RvR (PvP) player as such, but the community was awesome, and people had realm pride.
Scream in channel that your Relics (Scrolls in ESO) were being attacked and the whole realm showed up to defend/re-take it. Lowbie mages on keep walls blasting away, knowing they were doing minor damage and could be 1 shotted, yet they came anyway.
Ahh, the good ole days.
And sorry OP, but I've never seen a F2P game that is even close to a sub game. They either have you over a barrel for cash shopping or look horrid and cheap.
Yes, GW2 looked pretty. But like most pretty things it was soon found out to be tacky and cheap... No trinity meant awful dungeons unless you had players with brains (very rare I find), and I won't go into the loot/crafting loot nerf forcing people to buy their gold to buy overpriced mats (Vanilla pod anyone?).
So while we think we are getting great deals with f2p and b2p, we are really just being held to ransom (as always).
No trials. No tricks. No traps. No EU-RP server. NO THANKS!
I like the Game, It dose have bugs. I don't see this negativity you guys are dishing out.
To me it fun game. I wish they didn't listen to the cry babys and the trolls. If you don't like the game why post at all.
The changes already they made to the game lately are from this group. Most of the gamming community really don't say much but buy the game if they like it.
Despite my criticism of the game, its far from the worst MMO out there. All in all it is fairly average in all regards. The problem being that the IP deserved a lot better, which is why people skew their criticisms towards negativity / hatred.
It is pretty much in the same ballpark as SWTOR. That game got a lot of negative criticism as well because KOTOR was such a well loved series, and SWTOR was pretty average.
I just want to point this out, most of the top aaa mmos I've played were actually average. Just by being an mmo often means it's never going to be as good as a single player rpg experience.
I personally don't think the IP deserves much better. ESO is on par with other ES games in terms of quality, except this time it's an mmo.
So instead of an another awful single player game, we got an awful multiplayer game.
Specifically I thought the world design deserved better. Combat in ES has always been pretty average (while the collision detection obviously makes the single player version better, I never expected that from the MMO). Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim were living breathing worlds which were great fun to explore. ESO is a static, lifeless box. Even WoW and EQ2 had more lively worlds 10 years ago.
Despite my criticism of the game, its far from the worst MMO out there. All in all it is fairly average in all regards. The problem being that the IP deserved a lot better.
Yeh I don't "hate" ESO and there are indeed other worse MMOs out there. I'm just very disappointed with what they did to the make it an MMO. Some movies aren't meant to have sequels and some single player games aren't meant to be MMOs.
Despite my criticism of the game, its far from the worst MMO out there. All in all it is fairly average in all regards. The problem being that the IP deserved a lot better, which is why people skew their criticisms towards negativity / hatred.
It is pretty much in the same ballpark as SWTOR. That game got a lot of negative criticism as well because KOTOR was such a well loved series, and SWTOR was pretty average.
I just want to point this out, most of the top aaa mmos I've played were actually average. Just by being an mmo often means it's never going to be as good as a single player rpg experience.
I personally don't think the IP deserves much better. ESO is on par with other ES games in terms of quality, except this time it's an mmo.
So instead of an another awful single player game, we got an awful multiplayer game.
The Elder Scrolls games aren't awful, they are one of the few modifiable sandbox titles out there that are worth the time to play. If people stopped expecting gold to be falling out of the sky with major IPs we wouldn't have this entire issue of people bashing games that really don't deserve the criticism, especially with IPs that have always been more like decorative clay that let the player do as they will.
Despite my criticism of the game, its far from the worst MMO out there. All in all it is fairly average in all regards. The problem being that the IP deserved a lot better, which is why people skew their criticisms towards negativity / hatred.
It is pretty much in the same ballpark as SWTOR. That game got a lot of negative criticism as well because KOTOR was such a well loved series, and SWTOR was pretty average.
I just want to point this out, most of the top aaa mmos I've played were actually average. Just by being an mmo often means it's never going to be as good as a single player rpg experience.
I personally don't think the IP deserves much better. ESO is on par with other ES games in terms of quality, except this time it's an mmo.
So instead of an another awful single player game, we got an awful multiplayer game.
Specifically I thought the world design deserved better. Combat in ES has always been pretty average (while the collision detection obviously makes the single player version better, I never expected that from the MMO). Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim were living breathing worlds which were great fun to explore. ESO is a static, lifeless box. Even WoW and EQ2 had more lively worlds 10 years ago.
There was a lot of repetition in Oblivion, and less in Skyrim, but it was still there. I never liked how the terrain looked the same everywhere in Cyrodill, or how nearly every inn was the exact same thing in Skyrim. You could argue that Skyrim's artstyle is more to your preference, but world design? They couldn't get even one single continent right (Even the lore you read about them is contradictory) , and you expected them to get the whole of Tamriel right? Just no.
Also it depends what you mean by breathing world. You could of course kill npcs and pick up ever item in them, but the difference stops there. Also, that's why I said an mmo is never going to be as good as a single player experience. Mmos need some certain rules be put in place. It's just normal, otherwise you have mmos like Mortal Online, and I'm pretty sure ES fans wouldn't like that.
I played the game till level 15 in Umbra with sub-par PC. I Loved what ESO offered but it Really ( believe me i mean it ) REALLY doesn'T worth the sub-shop-box trilogy.Therefore not in it.But don't hate it anyway.Eso does good what it does.
good thing it doesn't have a cash shop then.
Originally posted by MikeJezZ
Originally posted by SpottyGekko Originally posted by MikeJezZ Having a horse is a huge advantage and it does not require a riding skill.If you could buy end game gear it wouldnt probably mean pay 2 win for you either.
So, according to your logic, all F2P games are Pay-2-Win ?
Games that makes advantages over other people yes.
What do you think a p2w game is?
If it's not to have advantages over other people, than I don't know what you think a p2w game is.
Pay to win is when you can buy an advantage only available for cash. You can buy the horse with gold. At the rate you earn it, it'll be a bit of a hassle on your first character, that's it.
I've had mixed feelings about every MMO I've played aside from my beloved Asheron's Call which was my first MMO and I didn't have any point of reference. Some games have taken awhile to grow on me. Hated the introduction in LOTRO for some reason---not a good starting experience for me. EQ2 was another one. I played that right at launch and hated it. Returned after six months and played it happily for several years. I liked LOTRO so much that I bought a lifetime.
I imagine that ESO will be the same way for me. I started off not really liking the game in the early betas. Something changed along the way for me. I think that I will happily plod along in the game, take my time and have a nice time.
I'm a pretty patient player and can weather the storm. If a game has potential, I can overlook many things. The jury is still out on ESO. I'm really hoping that my spouse enjoys the game. Right now he is playing SWTOR and that may be a hard habit to break. I'm just hoping that he will be pulled in to Tamriel.
NPC population and behaviour. Weather. Flora and fauna.
NPC Population: They seem well populated to me.
Behaviour: If you understand the MMO game structure, you should easily figure out why adding the radiant ai to ESO just isn't feasible.
Flora and fauna: Like the other guy said, ESO is better than Skyrim at that.
I will have to politely disagree on all counts. NPC behaviour is light years behind most MMOs released in the past 10 years. The world is sparse, poorly populated and NPCs rarely interact with one another. They are just waiting there at their spawn points to die. There is hardly even any scripted interaction between humanoids.
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Let me guess, is this your first elder scrolls game?
ES games always had terrible UI that modders had to fix because on Zenimax/Bethesda's behalf. The worst offender is Skyrim especially with its oversimplified inventory that didn't even let you properly organize all your items in it.
Horrible animations for walking and casting? The worst offender of that was, well... all of the ES games. I think morrowind takes the cake though because your character in that game walked like he/she had a stick so far up his/her arse, literally.
As for for the additional pay content, this is still nothing when you had to pay for the horse armor dlc in Oblivion.
As for pvp, I believe it's like that for the ES games as well. Have you tried some of Morrowind's combat, mister? Some of the finest you'll ever see in an rpg. I swear.
I don't get the hate this game gets. If you don't like Elder Scrolls in general, fair enough, but those who do, the mmo aspects don't actually make the game THAT much worse than your regular ES entry. The broken quests are still there, the so-bad-it's-good writing as well. If anything, ESO's awfulness should make you feel right at home.
And if you disagree, either you're hallucinating, or you've only played Elder Scrolls with mods.
Loved my time in ESO beta and I've pre-ordered it, but I'm worried by the amount of game-breaking bugs. So far, I've only had access to a couple of zones on each alliance, but both of them had several bugged quests with mobs or objects that didn't respawn or objectives that didn't get updated like they were supposed to. If the rest of the zones have the same standard, then the game is in for a rough start and I can even see it flop because of it.
There are also a lot of non game-breaking bugs like my hotbars getting reset or switching from primary weapon to secondary weapon hotbar even if I don't switch weapon. I also got dismounted a lot for no apparent reason and several times my character got stuck in an animation.
ZOS/Bethesda are notorius for their bugridden games and their inability to fix these bugs. Skyrim, Rage, Fallout 3, Brink and earlier Elder Scrolls games are all full of bugs that only get fixed by patches made by the community. These quests have been bugged in every beta weekend I've been in and I'm really starting to worry that they'll stay that way after launch.
So long story short, yeah, I have mixed feelings... But I'm also willing to give them the benefit of doubt, because the game as such is quite promising (in my opinion).
We are not talking about Skyrim with or without mods here m8.
We are talking about an mmo where pvp is central and you need to be quick on your feet.
When playing pvp you need info on your target to see buffs and debuffs, you also want to target or CC healers.
This is almost imposible with the horrible ui, and for a game that is going to be released within 10 days i can only say goodluck with that crap.
You may have your own vieuw and bias m8, but i have done alot of pvp and ESO is a joke compared to 8/10 other mmo that have pvp.
Want to make a bet how long ESO will last with a sub ?
That's what I'm saying. Elder Scrolls is awful in general, and you shouldn't expect much from Zenimax. I can't predict how long the game will last, as things can still change, and they can still fix a lot of things, as they did with the numerous patches that Obv and Skyrim had.
I'm just not surprised at all about how the ESO Beta currently turned out the way it did.
I am buying the imperial addition box,not happy with bugs but the game is the best thing out there.
I am a fan of ES and a sucker for roleplaying games with magic and swords ecs.
Agree with both of you
With over 7 billion people on planet earth, probably not.
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Despite my criticism of the game, its far from the worst MMO out there. All in all it is fairly average in all regards. The problem being that the IP deserved a lot better, which is why people skew their criticisms towards negativity / hatred.
It is pretty much in the same ballpark as SWTOR. That game got a lot of negative criticism as well because KOTOR was such a well loved series, and SWTOR was pretty average.
Will be playing at release...But just for a month initially (as launch will probably be too crowded, and buggy, as usually launches are).
Then I will let it rest for a couple of month, so that they fix all the bugs and stuff, and then I will come back for hopefully a good 2-3 months.
Ok, name 3 AAA fantasy MMOs that are P2P and better than ESO - in your opinion.
I mean, if you have better offers than ESO, the choice is easy, play those.
To answer you question, I have mixed feelings about the game. It's not a great game. That's why I'm going to play it for the free month and then decide if it's worth the monthly sub. And my opinion of the game is not going to change with its price. Either it's a good game or bad. If it's good, it's worth paying for, it's bad, it's not worth worrying about in the first place.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
I just want to point this out, most of the top aaa mmos I've played were actually average. Just by being an mmo often means it's never going to be as good as a single player rpg experience.
I personally don't think the IP deserves much better. ESO is on par with other ES games in terms of quality, except this time it's an mmo.
So instead of an another awful single player game, we got an awful multiplayer game.
Loved it! In fact I bought the Imp version before I even played any beta (been in last 2 now), but getting in early was only because my 1st mmo sweetheart was DAoC (EU), and I miss her dearly.
Why?
I dunno, because I'm not even a RvR (PvP) player as such, but the community was awesome, and people had realm pride.
Scream in channel that your Relics (Scrolls in ESO) were being attacked and the whole realm showed up to defend/re-take it. Lowbie mages on keep walls blasting away, knowing they were doing minor damage and could be 1 shotted, yet they came anyway.
Ahh, the good ole days.
And sorry OP, but I've never seen a F2P game that is even close to a sub game. They either have you over a barrel for cash shopping or look horrid and cheap.
Yes, GW2 looked pretty. But like most pretty things it was soon found out to be tacky and cheap... No trinity meant awful dungeons unless you had players with brains (very rare I find), and I won't go into the loot/crafting loot nerf forcing people to buy their gold to buy overpriced mats (Vanilla pod anyone?).
So while we think we are getting great deals with f2p and b2p, we are really just being held to ransom (as always).
No trials. No tricks. No traps. No EU-RP server. NO THANKS!
...10% Benevolence, 90% Arrogance in my case!
I like the Game, It dose have bugs. I don't see this negativity you guys are dishing out.
To me it fun game. I wish they didn't listen to the cry babys and the trolls. If you don't like the game why post at all.
The changes already they made to the game lately are from this group. Most of the gamming community really don't say much but buy the game if they like it.
Specifically I thought the world design deserved better. Combat in ES has always been pretty average (while the collision detection obviously makes the single player version better, I never expected that from the MMO). Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim were living breathing worlds which were great fun to explore. ESO is a static, lifeless box. Even WoW and EQ2 had more lively worlds 10 years ago.
Yeh I don't "hate" ESO and there are indeed other worse MMOs out there. I'm just very disappointed with what they did to the make it an MMO. Some movies aren't meant to have sequels and some single player games aren't meant to be MMOs.
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The Elder Scrolls games aren't awful, they are one of the few modifiable sandbox titles out there that are worth the time to play. If people stopped expecting gold to be falling out of the sky with major IPs we wouldn't have this entire issue of people bashing games that really don't deserve the criticism, especially with IPs that have always been more like decorative clay that let the player do as they will.
There was a lot of repetition in Oblivion, and less in Skyrim, but it was still there. I never liked how the terrain looked the same everywhere in Cyrodill, or how nearly every inn was the exact same thing in Skyrim. You could argue that Skyrim's artstyle is more to your preference, but world design? They couldn't get even one single continent right (Even the lore you read about them is contradictory) , and you expected them to get the whole of Tamriel right? Just no.
Also it depends what you mean by breathing world. You could of course kill npcs and pick up ever item in them, but the difference stops there. Also, that's why I said an mmo is never going to be as good as a single player experience. Mmos need some certain rules be put in place. It's just normal, otherwise you have mmos like Mortal Online, and I'm pretty sure ES fans wouldn't like that.
NPC population and behaviour. Weather. Flora and fauna.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Weather? Did you see the thunderstoms? They put Skyrim's to shame IMO.
@OP I can't think of a single game I didn't have some level of mixed feelings about.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
good thing it doesn't have a cash shop then.So, according to your logic, all F2P games are Pay-2-Win ?
Games that makes advantages over other people yes.
What do you think a p2w game is?
If it's not to have advantages over other people, than I don't know what you think a p2w game is.
Pay to win is when you can buy an advantage only available for cash. You can buy the horse with gold. At the rate you earn it, it'll be a bit of a hassle on your first character, that's it.NPC Population: They seem well populated to me.
Behaviour: If you understand the MMO game structure, you should easily figure out why adding the radiant ai to ESO just isn't feasible.
Flora and fauna: Like the other guy said, ESO is better than Skyrim at that.
I've had mixed feelings about every MMO I've played aside from my beloved Asheron's Call which was my first MMO and I didn't have any point of reference. Some games have taken awhile to grow on me. Hated the introduction in LOTRO for some reason---not a good starting experience for me. EQ2 was another one. I played that right at launch and hated it. Returned after six months and played it happily for several years. I liked LOTRO so much that I bought a lifetime.
I imagine that ESO will be the same way for me. I started off not really liking the game in the early betas. Something changed along the way for me. I think that I will happily plod along in the game, take my time and have a nice time.
I'm a pretty patient player and can weather the storm. If a game has potential, I can overlook many things. The jury is still out on ESO. I'm really hoping that my spouse enjoys the game. Right now he is playing SWTOR and that may be a hard habit to break. I'm just hoping that he will be pulled in to Tamriel.
I will have to politely disagree on all counts. NPC behaviour is light years behind most MMOs released in the past 10 years. The world is sparse, poorly populated and NPCs rarely interact with one another. They are just waiting there at their spawn points to die. There is hardly even any scripted interaction between humanoids.
Not a bad mmo, not a great mmo imo (much, much worse out there, defenatly).
Will be taking a big wait and see, specially after the cash shop addition and the disappointment of the RVR's mechanics.