Someone said yoda on first page, so, I had to. But no, seriously, even if the game would go free to play with a buy to play expansion model ala GW1, I would play and pay.
Originally posted by Aeonblades Gonna enjoy not having MMO leeches in the game from the beginning personally. If it goes F2P later and they swarm like locusts I can always move games.
people you are insulting probably spend more money on F2P games compared to your 15 bucks a month on P2P.
Or does it make you feel better when you put others down?
Wasn't meant to be insulting. Let them throw money away, I really don't care what they do.
Doesn't mean I have to humor them or pretend to like them, I can always move to another game to avoid the horrible community that comes with F2P.
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If ESO remains a solid and fun gaming experience people will pay the sub. If not and cash shop items annoy players the sub count will drop. Caption obvious, but it is pretty simple.
Originally posted by Precusor EQN / Archeage .. when do they release?
LOL ok you did make me laugh so good job.
I think since so little information they release somewhere in 2020 !!.
We have seen what Trion is doing with AA,so the game imo has very little chance with no marketing.
EQN well SOE has nothing,they are waiting for money from Landmark to fund the project.I am sure they auto generated the game world in 20 minutes,now they wait.
I think the OP is actually correct but not like it takes Einstein to figure it out,just based on past trends over the last 5+ years says it is so.On a whim,i say they are at about 30-35% come a year from now.
If they prove to be a worthy developer of an ammo and keep striving to improve the game,then i wish them success,if they ride the money train like Blizzard does then i hope they fail.
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Originally posted by Aeonblades Gonna enjoy not having MMO leeches in the game from the beginning personally. If it goes F2P later and they swarm like locusts I can always move games.
people you are insulting probably spend more money on F2P games compared to your 15 bucks a month on P2P.
Or does it make you feel better when you put others down?
Wasn't meant to be insulting. Let them throw money away, I really don't care what they do.
Doesn't mean I have to humor them or pretend to like them, I can always move to another game to avoid the horrible community that comes with F2P.
You mean the little angels that come with P2P communities like WOW and EVE? allright.
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Originally posted by Aeonblades Gonna enjoy not having MMO leeches in the game from the beginning personally. If it goes F2P later and they swarm like locusts I can always move games.
people you are insulting probably spend more money on F2P games compared to your 15 bucks a month on P2P.
Or does it make you feel better when you put others down?
Wasn't meant to be insulting. Let them throw money away, I really don't care what they do.
Doesn't mean I have to humor them or pretend to like them, I can always move to another game to avoid the horrible community that comes with F2P.
You mean the little angels that come with P2P communities like WOW and EVE? allright.
You know and I know that there are asshats in all MMOs regardless of pay model. It's a just a matter of degree... I have a hard time believing that anyone who has played both types hasn't noticed the difference.
Even an MMO like GW2 that has no sub but has an entry fee weeds out some of what I like to call the F2P Troll Tourists. You know the type... the ones who spam over and over why the game sucks... just like our mothers.
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Originally posted by Aeonblades Gonna enjoy not having MMO leeches in the game from the beginning personally. If it goes F2P later and they swarm like locusts I can always move games.
people you are insulting probably spend more money on F2P games compared to your 15 bucks a month on P2P.
Or does it make you feel better when you put others down?
Wasn't meant to be insulting. Let them throw money away, I really don't care what they do.
Doesn't mean I have to humor them or pretend to like them, I can always move to another game to avoid the horrible community that comes with F2P.
You mean the little angels that come with P2P communities like WOW and EVE? allright.
In general the story based PvE game will pull a very nice social community
the PvP part will pull the hotheads and the social misfits of our world.
i predict angels and deamons will clash
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Originally posted by Aeonblades Gonna enjoy not having MMO leeches in the game from the beginning personally. If it goes F2P later and they swarm like locusts I can always move games.
people you are insulting probably spend more money on F2P games compared to your 15 bucks a month on P2P.
Or does it make you feel better when you put others down?
Wasn't meant to be insulting. Let them throw money away, I really don't care what they do.
Doesn't mean I have to humor them or pretend to like them, I can always move to another game to avoid the horrible community that comes with F2P.
You mean the little angels that come with P2P communities like WOW and EVE? allright.
You know and I know that there are asshats in all MMOs regardless of pay model. It's a just a matter of degree... I have a hard time believing that anyone who has played both types hasn't noticed the difference.
Even an MMO like GW2 that has no sub but has an entry fee weeds out some of what I like to call the F2P Troll Tourists. You know the type... the ones who spam over and over why the game sucks... just like our mothers.
I haven't. Unless your talking about some cheapet, generic F2P mmo, most AAA adopters i know didn't suddenly go from a community of angels to troll infested.
WOW, EVE, Darkfall from what hear, all sub based and filled with annoying people. GW2, TSW and Rift, normal, nice communities. Nowhere near perfect, obviously, but not as bad as the previous. I even hear LOTRO has one of the best because of it's RP playerbase, and that's F2P.
AOC, a game that was praised by it's community for being "mature" and "realistic" has a really bad one. Before and after going free.
So this "terrible F2P playerbase" is paranoia. Trust me, ESO's community will be either be normal, good or terrible regardless of sub fee.
9/10 mmo going free to play ESO wont be the exception. Its not the mmo it should have been.
Maybe for some who like soso mmo's, but people expect a top notch product when they need to lay down 50 euro + 13 euro a month, and ESO just aint worth it for many people.
There are equal mmo's out there for free, and the cocky decision to make Imperials collectors edition....ouch Zenimax better have plan B ready ! oh wait they already have !!! the cashshop is already inplace !
I give it 6 months before it goes free to play, SWTOR 2 incomming.
The flaw in your logic is a vaporous parallel between TOR and ESO; a vast amount of respect and response has already been shown to the ESO community by Zenimax & Bethesda. On the other hand Lucas Arts, EA and BIO treated players like caged rats, simply looking for performance from their rats.
ESO is already a vastly superior MMORPG to TOR, especially considering ESO it is an actual MMORPG.
Hey, troll/hater here. Game sux, get over it. But, with all money from preorders subs, better make game worth buying. Maybe I'll change mind later seeing game became much, much better. I really dont like F2P(=game sux).
P2P will not work because alot of another good game coming soon and F2P! EQN / Archeage..
i dont think alot of ppls will be still happy with this game next year
Well, then you don't have to worry, since you can play those games!
I don't know that I am going to play it, but I prefer p2p.
Don't think people will be so happy with the game next year? Probably not, if I had to bet, I would bet on that, as many newer mmos are built shallow and cheaper (limited starting areas, stream lined, small, over instanced), they have gotten more and more people into the game jumper mentality, so even if something is offering more (not saying ESO is or isn't), it may not matter to many.
It will still be 'alive' though, it will just do the TOR, if p2p isn't working.
P2P will not work because alot of another good game coming soon and F2P! EQN / Archeage..
i dont think alot of ppls will be still happy with this game next year
You base that on the fact that EQN/Archeage will be F2P just a little heads up you end up spend more money on F2P game then on P2P game most for you in F2P game you need pay for everything more bag space and other stupid thing that normal is free or cheap in P2P if you dont believe you should try SWTOR you have pay for everything even crew skills you will end up pay thousand of $$$ to make game playable if dont want "spend" money of monthly sub fee and update to SWTOR can take month before you get them.
I have say people say that F2P is cheap and better then P2P is myth and i dont understand why people is hype about F2P for what so you dont have pay monthly sub fee honest that so stupid to think the F2P is better then P2P game.
These game will go F2P debate's are getting about as fresh and innovative as these new MMO's everyone is whining about.
B2P for TESO should be considered, though.
Content is substantial, sure. But only because it was worked on for years. Once that gets consumed, Zenimax won't be able to keep up with demand, in order to justify a premium monthly expense.
B2P is safer in that regard, to keep concurrent player activity high.
I'd prefer B2P over F2P, just because it keeps gold sellers out. A gold seller will actually need to steal an account with a B2P system, which is generally more tricky than just creating a new account every 5 mins.
i love these discussions. personally i believe they want it to be f2p so they can play. either they are kids who are to young to work yet or tight arses not willing to pay for anything.
9/10 mmo going free to play ESO wont be the exception. Its not the mmo it should have been.
Maybe for some who like soso mmo's, but people expect a top notch product when they need to lay down 50 euro + 13 euro a month, and ESO just aint worth it for many people.
There are equal mmo's out there for free, and the cocky decision to make Imperials collectors edition....ouch Zenimax better have plan B ready ! oh wait they already have !!! the cashshop is already inplace !
I give it 6 months before it goes free to play, SWTOR 2 incomming.
The flaw in your logic is a vaporous parallel between TOR and ESO; a vast amount of respect and response has already been shown to the ESO community by Zenimax & Bethesda. On the other hand Lucas Arts, EA and BIO treated players like caged rats, simply looking for performance from their rats.
ESO is already a vastly superior MMORPG to TOR, especially considering ESO it is an actual MMORPG.
Lol how is ESO an actual mmorpg compared to swtor? They seem very similar actually. Both are IP driven, story forused, and cater almost exclusively to the solo player. They also are going with a P2P model. What makes ESO more deserving of the mmorpg title than SWTOR? Just curious.
9/10 mmo going free to play ESO wont be the exception. Its not the mmo it should have been.
Maybe for some who like soso mmo's, but people expect a top notch product when they need to lay down 50 euro + 13 euro a month, and ESO just aint worth it for many people.
There are equal mmo's out there for free, and the cocky decision to make Imperials collectors edition....ouch Zenimax better have plan B ready ! oh wait they already have !!! the cashshop is already inplace !
I give it 6 months before it goes free to play, SWTOR 2 incomming.
The flaw in your logic is a vaporous parallel between TOR and ESO; a vast amount of respect and response has already been shown to the ESO community by Zenimax & Bethesda. On the other hand Lucas Arts, EA and BIO treated players like caged rats, simply looking for performance from their rats.
ESO is already a vastly superior MMORPG to TOR, especially considering ESO it is an actual MMORPG.
Lol how is ESO an actual mmorpg compared to swtor? They seem very similar actually. Both are IP driven, story forused, and cater almost exclusively to the solo player. They also are going with a P2P model. What makes ESO more deserving of the mmorpg title than SWTOR? Just curious.
Both games are Hero derivatives and can't support chat bubbles (a distinct limitation) ..... can't sit in chairs either? =-(
Although ESO is more refined for multiplaye PVPr, and Zenimax was quick to distance themselves early on from Hero, while retaining many unfortunates, like instancing / phasing everything ...I call shennanigans =D
Both games have decent emotes, and I think TESO has even more than SWTOR in that regard, which is nice .. seriously devs, more emotes, not less. I guess nothing can be perfect, since GW2 had chat bubbles, and a shoddy selection of emotes, as example. /sigh it's always a trade-off.
Originally posted by Shamorau i love these discussions. personally i believe they want it to be f2p so they can play. either they are kids who are to young to work yet or tight arses not willing to pay for anything.
Maybe people like the game, but really can't justify a sub for a game this limited in quality.
Originally posted by Shamorau i love these discussions. personally i believe they want it to be f2p so they can play. either they are kids who are to young to work yet or tight arses not willing to pay for anything.
Maybe people like the game, but really can't justify a sub for a game this limited in quality.
Then I guess they didn't like it much at all.
If a $15 per month sub is holding you back from a game you like, the problem is not the game.
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Originally posted by Shamorau i love these discussions. personally i believe they want it to be f2p so they can play. either they are kids who are to young to work yet or tight arses not willing to pay for anything.
Maybe people like the game, but really can't justify a sub for a game this limited in quality.
Then I guess they didn't like it much at all.
If a $15 per month sub is holding you back from a game you like, the problem is not the game.
So you would pay 15€ /month for Starcraft II? Counter-Strike? ? Or even skyrim?
A game can be entertaining while still not worth a monthly fee.
Originally posted by Mothanos 9/10 mmo going free to play ESO wont be the exception. Its not the mmo it should have been. Maybe for some who like soso mmo's, but people expect a top notch product when they need to lay down 50 euro + 13 euro a month, and ESO just aint worth it for many people. There are equal mmo's out there for free, and the cocky decision to make Imperials collectors edition....ouch Zenimax better have plan B ready ! oh wait they already have !!! the cashshop is already inplace ! I give it 6 months before it goes free to play, SWTOR 2 incomming.
The flaw in your logic is a vaporous parallel between TOR and ESO; a vast amount of respect and response has already been shown to the ESO community by Zenimax & Bethesda. On the other hand Lucas Arts, EA and BIO treated players like caged rats, simply looking for performance from their rats.
ESO is already a vastly superior MMORPG to TOR, especially considering ESO it is an actual MMORPG.
Sorry m8 but it might be just as bad as SWTOR. And Zenimax with their Imperial paywall in a sub based mmo does not show respect either, quite the oposite tbh, they show they are out to suck in as much money before the game goes Free to play, and lets be honest all sub based games go free to play with a few exceptions. ESO aint going to be sub based for long, i might be wrong ! but evrything is stacked against them.
ESO aint that special snowfloke like Eve Online or WoW, its on par with SWTOR / Neverwinter / Aion / GW2 I think once the honeymoon week is over people wake up and see what many of us already see.....
Did your title say, "ESO with P2P will not long time live"?
LMAO you did mean, "ESO will not live long with P2P"?
I figured he was talking like yoda.
English isn't his native tongue and it's very easy to figure out what he meant. And for the record I agree with the OP 100%. Game will go F2P within a year, guaranteed.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
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Alive a game like this must stay.
If free, then pay I will not.
But free to play? That, I also, would play.
Someone said yoda on first page, so, I had to. But no, seriously, even if the game would go free to play with a buy to play expansion model ala GW1, I would play and pay.
We?re all dead, just say it.
Wasn't meant to be insulting. Let them throw money away, I really don't care what they do.
Doesn't mean I have to humor them or pretend to like them, I can always move to another game to avoid the horrible community that comes with F2P.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
LOL ok you did make me laugh so good job.
I think since so little information they release somewhere in 2020 !!.
We have seen what Trion is doing with AA,so the game imo has very little chance with no marketing.
EQN well SOE has nothing,they are waiting for money from Landmark to fund the project.I am sure they auto generated the game world in 20 minutes,now they wait.
I think the OP is actually correct but not like it takes Einstein to figure it out,just based on past trends over the last 5+ years says it is so.On a whim,i say they are at about 30-35% come a year from now.
If they prove to be a worthy developer of an ammo and keep striving to improve the game,then i wish them success,if they ride the money train like Blizzard does then i hope they fail.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
You mean the little angels that come with P2P communities like WOW and EVE? allright.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
You know and I know that there are asshats in all MMOs regardless of pay model. It's a just a matter of degree... I have a hard time believing that anyone who has played both types hasn't noticed the difference.
Even an MMO like GW2 that has no sub but has an entry fee weeds out some of what I like to call the F2P Troll Tourists. You know the type... the ones who spam over and over why the game sucks... just like our mothers.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
In general the story based PvE game will pull a very nice social community
the PvP part will pull the hotheads and the social misfits of our world.
i predict angels and deamons will clash
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
I haven't. Unless your talking about some cheapet, generic F2P mmo, most AAA adopters i know didn't suddenly go from a community of angels to troll infested.
WOW, EVE, Darkfall from what hear, all sub based and filled with annoying people. GW2, TSW and Rift, normal, nice communities. Nowhere near perfect, obviously, but not as bad as the previous. I even hear LOTRO has one of the best because of it's RP playerbase, and that's F2P.
AOC, a game that was praised by it's community for being "mature" and "realistic" has a really bad one. Before and after going free.
So this "terrible F2P playerbase" is paranoia. Trust me, ESO's community will be either be normal, good or terrible regardless of sub fee.
The flaw in your logic is a vaporous parallel between TOR and ESO; a vast amount of respect and response has already been shown to the ESO community by Zenimax & Bethesda. On the other hand Lucas Arts, EA and BIO treated players like caged rats, simply looking for performance from their rats.
ESO is already a vastly superior MMORPG to TOR, especially considering ESO it is an actual MMORPG.
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Golly Gee that's a good one
These game will go F2P debate's are getting about as fresh and innovative as these new MMO's everyone is whining about.
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Well, then you don't have to worry, since you can play those games!
I don't know that I am going to play it, but I prefer p2p.
Don't think people will be so happy with the game next year? Probably not, if I had to bet, I would bet on that, as many newer mmos are built shallow and cheaper (limited starting areas, stream lined, small, over instanced), they have gotten more and more people into the game jumper mentality, so even if something is offering more (not saying ESO is or isn't), it may not matter to many.
It will still be 'alive' though, it will just do the TOR, if p2p isn't working.
You base that on the fact that EQN/Archeage will be F2P just a little heads up you end up spend more money on F2P game then on P2P game most for you in F2P game you need pay for everything more bag space and other stupid thing that normal is free or cheap in P2P if you dont believe you should try SWTOR you have pay for everything even crew skills you will end up pay thousand of $$$ to make game playable if dont want "spend" money of monthly sub fee and update to SWTOR can take month before you get them.
I have say people say that F2P is cheap and better then P2P is myth and i dont understand why people is hype about F2P for what so you dont have pay monthly sub fee honest that so stupid to think the F2P is better then P2P game.
B2P for TESO should be considered, though.
Content is substantial, sure. But only because it was worked on for years. Once that gets consumed, Zenimax won't be able to keep up with demand, in order to justify a premium monthly expense.
B2P is safer in that regard, to keep concurrent player activity high.
I'd prefer B2P over F2P, just because it keeps gold sellers out. A gold seller will actually need to steal an account with a B2P system, which is generally more tricky than just creating a new account every 5 mins.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.
who knows wth he was trying to say, but from what I "think" he was trying to say p2p for this game will work just fine.
Lol how is ESO an actual mmorpg compared to swtor? They seem very similar actually. Both are IP driven, story forused, and cater almost exclusively to the solo player. They also are going with a P2P model. What makes ESO more deserving of the mmorpg title than SWTOR? Just curious.
MMOs Played: FFXI,Age of Conan, Aion, Rift, SWTOR, TERA, TSW, GW2
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Waiting For: Wildstar, The Repopulation, Archeage, TESO, Warhammer 40K:EC, EQN
Both games are Hero derivatives and can't support chat bubbles (a distinct limitation) ..... can't sit in chairs either? =-(
Although ESO is more refined for multiplaye PVPr, and Zenimax was quick to distance themselves early on from Hero, while retaining many unfortunates, like instancing / phasing everything ...I call shennanigans =D
Both games have decent emotes, and I think TESO has even more than SWTOR in that regard, which is nice .. seriously devs, more emotes, not less. I guess nothing can be perfect, since GW2 had chat bubbles, and a shoddy selection of emotes, as example. /sigh it's always a trade-off.
Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.
hahaha true ... they look far more interesting
Maybe people like the game, but really can't justify a sub for a game this limited in quality.
Then I guess they didn't like it much at all.
If a $15 per month sub is holding you back from a game you like, the problem is not the game.
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So you would pay 15€ /month for Starcraft II? Counter-Strike? ? Or even skyrim?
A game can be entertaining while still not worth a monthly fee.
Sorry m8 but it might be just as bad as SWTOR.
And Zenimax with their Imperial paywall in a sub based mmo does not show respect either, quite the oposite tbh, they show they are out to suck in as much money before the game goes Free to play, and lets be honest all sub based games go free to play with a few exceptions.
ESO aint going to be sub based for long, i might be wrong ! but evrything is stacked against them.
ESO aint that special snowfloke like Eve Online or WoW, its on par with SWTOR / Neverwinter / Aion / GW2
I think once the honeymoon week is over people wake up and see what many of us already see.....
But lets wait a few months
English isn't his native tongue and it's very easy to figure out what he meant. And for the record I agree with the OP 100%. Game will go F2P within a year, guaranteed.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
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