Originally posted by someforumguy Several people in this thread have trouble seeing the difference between proposing an idea and demanding something. The OP is not demanding anything. Stop acting as if he is some poor beggar on the street holding up the hand for a nickle. The attitude some of you display is plain insulting.
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Originally posted by someforumguy Several people in this thread have trouble seeing the difference between proposing an idea and demanding something. The OP is not demanding anything. Stop acting as if he is some poor beggar on the street holding up the hand for a nickle. The attitude some of you display is plain insulting.
And the hollier than thou attitude you are displaying is just AS insulting.
-Rig
I don't think you even know what that means.
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Originally posted by someforumguy Several people in this thread have trouble seeing the difference between proposing an idea and demanding something. The OP is not demanding anything. Stop acting as if he is some poor beggar on the street holding up the hand for a nickle. The attitude some of you display is plain insulting.
Agreed...
Actually, the beggar on the street is actually "working" for his money. I've given money and food on plenty of occasions to those folks, (but not every occasion).
Many excuses, need diapers for kids, cash to get to job, friend, family, some foreign country, some folks looked like they were just plain starving, so what the heck, 5, here 10 there, I can afford it on occasion.
But I will draw the line, can't see donating for gaming, especially when there really are lots of great F2P games out there, and I haven't really found one yet that "forced" me to pay them a lot of money. I still chose what to spend my dough on.
I hope the OP's situation improves, and who knows, one day ESO might be F2P, so he may get his chance.
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Originally posted by someforumguy Several people in this thread have trouble seeing the difference between proposing an idea and demanding something. The OP is not demanding anything. Stop acting as if he is some poor beggar on the street holding up the hand for a nickle. The attitude some of you display is plain insulting.
And the hollier than thou attitude you are displaying is just AS insulting.
-Rig
I don't think you even know what that means.
You should not comment on issues you have 2 clues about. Zero and None.....but I do appreciate the fandom you do show.
-Rig
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Interesting how people read something but understand completely something else, also how some likes to put their words is others mouth.
Let's try again, with some explanations.
1. Where did any of you found something in my post about me saying i want ESO be F2P??
Stop discussing something different of what i wrote. NO i do not like f2p model nor i am asking for "cheaper" games because "i am poor so i cry here for a company to make charity deeds". I do not "pretend" or cry about a new toy, i am too old for that and i don't know why some posts deduced that playing games is a "priority" for me and i am neglecting the important things for my family because of this .
2, How do you know that i can personally afford a "gaming pc" and "high speed" internet ?
This is an area about none of the readers know anything, still lots felt free to assume that i bought myself a mighty gaming pc, high speed internet connection and worse, i did that because i am a selfish person, with wrong priorities, that spends all day "sitting in his ass" playing games while his family suffer because i am lazy and i do not do my best to support them...
I can laugh or cry about such unfounded thoughts and assumption, really...
3. As i stated in the beginning of my post, i use my own case to EXEMPLIFY something that can apply to many more ppl then someone can think of...maybe you never knew how thing goes outside your common knowledge, but similar cases are many. Just saying "so what, those persons do not need that luxury goods as games because this is a right only for bigger wallets' , shows how much "deep"thinking some people puts in their opinions...
Again, my case is only an exemplification for how those with low income can use a new business model that is already in use, not my invention, so it works and is no reason to say that this can't be implemented , that it could ruin the economy of a game etc. Maybe this may happen maybe not, this is not the subject of this post. As long as this feature EXIST that means it can be done, can be perfected and can bring money to companies.
4, Now, i want to speak about how this thread became a whole "shame to this lazy beggar that only have hemophilia (so no big deal), lets all throw insults to the one who dared to show us something that we do not really understand but we like to blame"
First of all, i wrote about my illness not for the sake to impressing some smart asses but because i want to show how a conjunction of some negative factors can make things go pretty wrong. Even if someone struggle with this kind of problems, is nothing more ignorant than saying that those persons shouldn't lo ok for playing a game, the only option for them is to not have such " fancy wishes"...
I tell you something: People like me, do care more then many others about their families, they have better priorities and principles in life because they must live much wiser in order to survive .
Calling out pure imaginations to build crazy assumptions and imaginations about their supposed laziness or irresponsibility , only prove shallow thinking and bad education.
In Conclusion: I never said a wantexpectdemand games like ESo to be f2p. I was saying that selling a TIME CODE for a game by o company, is proven as working, is not a crazy idea of mine, so i really think this could be an alternative for much more companies. You may agree or not, is perfectly fine, but do not twist this in a F2P VS B2P stupid thread.
Also, be sure i am not losing my time playing only games, spending my financial resources on fancy pc rigs or something like this and not doing all i can for improving things in my life. If you actually know what really a disorder like hemophilia implies, and how bad things are,you would be ashamed of you for saying that this is "just a blood clotting issue".
With all this, i still want to be able to play good games, i still think it can be made possible with a good Subscription selling system
Is no need to be rude without knowing the whole thing.
5. Why i said i am not embarrassed to ask if a sponsor can donate me a game? Simple, because i am not asking it as a rule for companies, not because i am a scammer who wants to resell it, not because i am a beggar on the street, or a lazy and irresponsible person (many of the posts are just perfect examples of how easy people jump to insult others for no reason at all) but because i played 3 ESO betas, i liked, i would like to play it even for a month only, and because looking for a game donation is nothing to be ashamed of. i did it too with some of my f2p games accounts where i invested many months of playtime, so asking for a a game too, i consider harmless.
Keep in mind that the so blamed reference was only a small part of my post, just to make what i can to enjoy for a month at least, a title that i really like, that is all, no need to make it a paranoia thread, really!
If someone cant afford 15 dollars a month to play a video game online what makes you think they can spend 30 for dsl,or for that matter have a computer that can run mmos?
I suppose I have become the dreaded elitist prick that I so desperately hate, LMAO...this household has 8 subbing TRION accounts between RIFT & Defiance. We thought it was a fabulous company and the F2P aspect intrigued us and as we are able to we felt it quite important that we pay so that those less fortunate than us were able to enjoy a quality product. I have discovered two things from that dismal experience.
1. TRION sucks ass as a company and their products are horrible.
2. F2P players who do not pay are nasty, whining "entitled" children.
Neither statement is totally correct nor is it either that far off base. We are so glad that ESO has priced itself outside of some of the market and (wait for it here it comes, LOL)
dang it if you can't afford to pay for the game and the monthly, go play somewhere else and leave those of us who can alone.
If you can pay for a PC, phone line, electricity, broadband and the game itself I wouldn't think you would have a problem paying a sub. The sub to ESO in the UK is roughly comparable to 5 pints of beer or just about the same price as 40 cigarettes, which is pretty cheap for all the hours you will spend in ESO. I seriously doubt you can't afford the sub in your country even if it meant cutting back on other non-essentials.
If you're THAT hard up, I'd consider selling the PC and getting rid of the broadband and spend the money on something for your family.
If you can pay for a PC, phone line, electricity, broadband and the game itself I wouldn't think you would have a problem paying a sub. The sub to ESO in the UK is roughly comparable to 5 pints of beer or just about the same price as 40 cigarettes, which is pretty cheap for all the hours you will spend in ESO. I seriously doubt you can't afford the sub in your country even if it meant cutting back on other non-essentials.
If you're THAT hard up, I'd consider selling the PC and getting rid of the broadband and spend the money on something for your family.
Originally posted by Jaychi72
Responsibilities > Games.
Cant handle that, stop playing. And if you cant afford it, find a new hobby.
Watch grass grow? That's cheap, unless you cant afford to water the lawn either?
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Did you even read my above post? "How do you know that i can personally afford a "gaming pc" and "high speed" internet ? This is an area about none of the readers know anything, still lots felt free to assume that i bought myself a mighty gaming pc, high speed internet connection and worse, i did that because i am a selfish person, with wrong priorities, that spends all day "sitting in his ass" playing games while his family suffer because i am lazy and i do not do my best to support them..."
I guess not...
Who said i ask for F2P business model to be adopted in ESO? Seriously, cant people read anymore? I was ONLY pointing out a business model that cam make it possible for others to but Play time with ingame currency, maybe is a good idea maybe not, for god sake stop talking about things i didn't wrote about like f2p etc.
Also where did you see i was "whining for anything" or me "complaining" about me not affording to buy those games? Is a big difference between "whining or complaining" and pointing at an alternative business model, is this that hard to understand?
I clearly see how some people are plain ignoran , not understanding what the topic is really about and how they can't read something without twisting it to something totally different of what my post is...
Anyway I think is not worth answering anymore to those who are just repeating endlessly same old few ideas they are capable of, which have nothing in common with my OP.
If you can pay for a PC, phone line, electricity, broadband and the game itself I wouldn't think you would have a problem paying a sub. The sub to ESO in the UK is roughly comparable to 5 pints of beer or just about the same price as 40 cigarettes, which is pretty cheap for all the hours you will spend in ESO. I seriously doubt you can't afford the sub in your country even if it meant cutting back on other non-essentials.
If you're THAT hard up, I'd consider selling the PC and getting rid of the broadband and spend the money on something for your family.
Originally posted by Jaychi72
Responsibilities > Games.
Cant handle that, stop playing. And if you cant afford it, find a new hobby.
Watch grass grow? That's cheap, unless you cant afford to water the lawn either?
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Did you even read my above post? "How do you know that i can personally afford a "gaming pc" and "high speed" internet ? This is an area about none of the readers know anything, still lots felt free to assume that i bought myself a mighty gaming pc, high speed internet connection and worse, i did that because i am a selfish person, with wrong priorities, that spends all day "sitting in his ass" playing games while his family suffer because i am lazy and i do not do my best to support them..."
I guess not...
Who said i ask for F2P business model to be adopted in ESO? Seriously, cant people read anymore? I was ONLY pointing out a business model that cam make it possible for others to but Play time with ingame currency, maybe is a good idea maybe not, for god sake stop talking about things i didn't wrote about like f2p etc.
Also where did you see i was "whining for anything" or me "complaining" about me not affording to buy those games? Is a big difference between "whining or complaining" and pointing at an alternative business model, is this that hard to understand?
I clearly see how some people are plain ignoran , not understanding what the topic is really about and how they can't read something without twisting it to something totally different of what my post is...
Anyway I think is not worth answering anymore to those who are just repeating endlessly same old few ideas they are capable of, which have nothing in common with my OP.
Or how people log onto forums QQ'ing looking for sympathy over a video game. Get real!
If you can pay for a PC, phone line, electricity, broadband and the game itself I wouldn't think you would have a problem paying a sub. The sub to ESO in the UK is roughly comparable to 5 pints of beer or just about the same price as 40 cigarettes, which is pretty cheap for all the hours you will spend in ESO. I seriously doubt you can't afford the sub in your country even if it meant cutting back on other non-essentials.
If you're THAT hard up, I'd consider selling the PC and getting rid of the broadband and spend the money on something for your family.
Originally posted by Jaychi72
Responsibilities > Games.
Cant handle that, stop playing. And if you cant afford it, find a new hobby.
Watch grass grow? That's cheap, unless you cant afford to water the lawn either?
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Did you even read my above post? "How do you know that i can personally afford a "gaming pc" and "high speed" internet ? This is an area about none of the readers know anything, still lots felt free to assume that i bought myself a mighty gaming pc, high speed internet connection and worse, i did that because i am a selfish person, with wrong priorities, that spends all day "sitting in his ass" playing games while his family suffer because i am lazy and i do not do my best to support them..."
I guess not...
Who said i ask for F2P business model to be adopted in ESO? Seriously, cant people read anymore? I was ONLY pointing out a business model that cam make it possible for others to but Play time with ingame currency, maybe is a good idea maybe not, for god sake stop talking about things i didn't wrote about like f2p etc.
Also where did you see i was "whining for anything" or me "complaining" about me not affording to buy those games? Is a big difference between "whining or complaining" and pointing at an alternative business model, is this that hard to understand?
I clearly see how some people are plain ignoran , not understanding what the topic is really about and how they can't read something without twisting it to something totally different of what my post is...
Anyway I think is not worth answering anymore to those who are just repeating endlessly same old few ideas they are capable of, which have nothing in common with my OP.
You still never answered how you came by that computer that can run ESO or have internet ? If you didn't buy it then what ? Someone gave it to you ?
Hemophilia doesn't stop you from doing desk job.
The point still stand, if you don't have the money to play the game, you simply should do something else. There is a lot of free hobby out there, and it would prolly give you more time with the family.
You are pissed that people assume things, yet you don't explain anything.
All you say is that you are poor and can't work, somehow your wife can't work either for whatever reason, we can only guess. If you have a wife.. again guesses.
Now you live with 200 euros a month, find something else to enjoy your time.. spending money on game is certainly the worst of the choices you could make.
All you history on this site is you begging for something...
Also where did you see i was "whining for anything" or me "complaining" about me not affording to buy those games? Is a big difference between "whining or complaining" and pointing at an alternative business model, is this that hard to understand?
All you history on this site is you begging for something...
Yep, he spouted this in his OP...As i found out that life is too short to hide my honest wishes, I do not feel embarrassed to ask for a sponsor for whom the price of the Standard Edition will not be a problem. If someone can make this happen, he can write me a personal message."
I think the focal point of his entire post was to whip up some sympathy and incline someone to spring him a copy of the game. Seems like whining (his choice of word) to me.
That said, People in those situations find compromise solutions to their problems on a daily basis...solutions that do not typically include luxury items... which MMOs most certainly are.
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Originally posted by HabitualFrogStomp So because this guy cant play, we should wreck one of the interesting dynamics of TESO (the way they have the in game economy set up) by installing contrived pay to win garbage.
You will be paying to win either way, in cash shop.
You mean with the vanity pets, name change token<,and the horse ,which incidentally you can also earn ingame with gold..just takes work.
Okay, if you can't afford a computer and can't afford the internet, this whole post is moot. The OP said so himself... how can you assume I can afford these things? Apparently we are incorrect in assuming that he can, thus he cannot. No computer, no internet, game won't run.
From this we can now conclude that he stole his computer, has a cracked copy of ESO installed, and is leeching off of his neighbors wi-fi connection. He wants us to sport him the monthly sub fee until he can steal someone's ESO account information.
This is worthy of a kickstarter campaign if I ever saw one...
[mod edit] The OP says he cant afford the game and simply gave some perspective on how, he thinks, he and Zenimax could benefit from some sort of subscription that can be bought with in game currency. Strictly some guy saying what he thinks could be a positive implementation in TESO. While I completely disagree I don't feel the need to be harshly subjective on the matter. I simply read his post, pondered what he was saying, and moved on to the next topic. As some of you have said if he cant afford it, he shouldn't play it...AGREED. But there is a civil and respectful way to convey your thoughts. Nonetheless my two cents...No there should be a subscription model where you could buy your subscription with in game currency. Second NO I DO NOT THINK anyone should buy him the game...he evidently has more pressing issues to rectify or improve. With this being said I don't see the need to badger anyone who posts here, no matter how bizarre the post may be, after all we are all part of the same community aren't we?
I don't think " make your game more accessible to poor people" is going to rate high on any companies list of things to do.
You might have more success working the angle of these players "buying up" the plex/creed so they're good to have in the game rather than working the charity do it out of the goodness of your heart way.
The more plex/creed they sell the more cash in developers pocket and that is really why those system are put into the game in the first place.
Asking for charity is not my vision at all regarding a company business policy, but as you said, putting plexcreed in the game as an alternative, then yes they could do that not because of their good heart but because this way everybody can be happy in the end.
Again is not about "make games cheaper for poors", some ppl can feel insulted if we put the problem like this and is not the case, is all about a fair solution (creed selling in game) that should be more often present in games.
I for one i see this as best solution.
I don't see it as best for me. Look money is power and if you don't have it you will have less choices. There are plenty of free to play options out there for you which means if you find something that offends you well, go somewhere else. That is not a dis on you but just the way of the world.
It is about making cheap for poors. Don't even try to pull the bullcrap fair card. Life isn't fair. Body is has a right to play a video game for free no matter how entitled they feel about the matter. Didn't say that was you.
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As i found out that life is too short to hide my honest wishes, I do not feel embarrassed to ask for a sponsor for whom the price of the Standard Edition will not be a problem. If someone can make this happen, he can write me a personal message.
Find a good guild. In my old guild we all pitched in and built entire computers for two members who were down on their luck. Also, when GW2 came out, I happened to be down on my luck. I had lost my job. One of my guildmates bought the game for me. A good group of people to game with is nothing to shake a stick at. Be a good member, share your in game knowledge with newbies, help recruit, and show up for guild events when RL allows and a good guild will take care of you. Why? Because you're worth more to them playing the game, than you are sitting on the sidelines.
As far as folks who are less fortunate, if Zenimax could come up with some abuse-proof (or at least, mostly abuse-proof) sponsorship program, I would sponsor someone's monthly fee. Especially, if Zenimax gave me a break on the cost. Say, instead of $14.99/mo, they only charged me $11.99/mo because I'm paying for someone's account. That gives me a 20% discount, but they are still making an extra $9.00 a month off me because, the sponsored player wouldn't be able to game otherwise. Plus, I could write it off on my taxes. You get to play, Zenimax makes more money, I get a tax write off. Win/Win/Win.
The problem is, it would get abused all to hell and Zenimax probably couldn't be bothered to make it work. /shrug.
I prefer playing a P2P MMO that does not ruin their economy by having sanctioned RT trading. I have not had a game I was this interested in in years. And I love the fact that it is P2P because I believe this creates the best conditions for developing a true AAA MMO.
There are hundreds of F2P MMO's around, are these not enough? Online gaming is a luxury good, I dont see the logic in all of them being F2P clones. There is a market for different types of games, pay models, etc.
Eve does this and has one of the best economy systems in an mmo.
In fact the games that don't do it and rely instead on loot drops being the "best" equipment usually have terrible economies compared to how it all works.
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Actually, the beggar on the street is actually "working" for his money. I've given money and food on plenty of occasions to those folks, (but not every occasion).
Many excuses, need diapers for kids, cash to get to job, friend, family, some foreign country, some folks looked like they were just plain starving, so what the heck, 5, here 10 there, I can afford it on occasion.
But I will draw the line, can't see donating for gaming, especially when there really are lots of great F2P games out there, and I haven't really found one yet that "forced" me to pay them a lot of money. I still chose what to spend my dough on.
I hope the OP's situation improves, and who knows, one day ESO might be F2P, so he may get his chance.
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This is really simple, he cannot afford to play p2p mmorpgs,case closed.
Not everyone gets to do everything in life, work with what you have created for yourself ...in this case it's not much.
Interesting how people read something but understand completely something else, also how some likes to put their words is others mouth.
Let's try again, with some explanations.
1. Where did any of you found something in my post about me saying i want ESO be F2P??
Stop discussing something different of what i wrote. NO i do not like f2p model nor i am asking for "cheaper" games because "i am poor so i cry here for a company to make charity deeds". I do not "pretend" or cry about a new toy, i am too old for that and i don't know why some posts deduced that playing games is a "priority" for me and i am neglecting the important things for my family because of this .
2, How do you know that i can personally afford a "gaming pc" and "high speed" internet ?
This is an area about none of the readers know anything, still lots felt free to assume that i bought myself a mighty gaming pc, high speed internet connection and worse, i did that because i am a selfish person, with wrong priorities, that spends all day "sitting in his ass" playing games while his family suffer because i am lazy and i do not do my best to support them...
I can laugh or cry about such unfounded thoughts and assumption, really...
3. As i stated in the beginning of my post, i use my own case to EXEMPLIFY something that can apply to many more ppl then someone can think of...maybe you never knew how thing goes outside your common knowledge, but similar cases are many. Just saying "so what, those persons do not need that luxury goods as games because this is a right only for bigger wallets' , shows how much "deep"thinking some people puts in their opinions...
Again, my case is only an exemplification for how those with low income can use a new business model that is already in use, not my invention, so it works and is no reason to say that this can't be implemented , that it could ruin the economy of a game etc. Maybe this may happen maybe not, this is not the subject of this post. As long as this feature EXIST that means it can be done, can be perfected and can bring money to companies.
4, Now, i want to speak about how this thread became a whole "shame to this lazy beggar that only have hemophilia (so no big deal), lets all throw insults to the one who dared to show us something that we do not really understand but we like to blame"
First of all, i wrote about my illness not for the sake to impressing some smart asses but because i want to show how a conjunction of some negative factors can make things go pretty wrong. Even if someone struggle with this kind of problems, is nothing more ignorant than saying that those persons shouldn't lo ok for playing a game, the only option for them is to not have such " fancy wishes"...
I tell you something: People like me, do care more then many others about their families, they have better priorities and principles in life because they must live much wiser in order to survive .
Calling out pure imaginations to build crazy assumptions and imaginations about their supposed laziness or irresponsibility , only prove shallow thinking and bad education.
In Conclusion: I never said a wantexpectdemand games like ESo to be f2p. I was saying that selling a TIME CODE for a game by o company, is proven as working, is not a crazy idea of mine, so i really think this could be an alternative for much more companies. You may agree or not, is perfectly fine, but do not twist this in a F2P VS B2P stupid thread.
Also, be sure i am not losing my time playing only games, spending my financial resources on fancy pc rigs or something like this and not doing all i can for improving things in my life. If you actually know what really a disorder like hemophilia implies, and how bad things are,you would be ashamed of you for saying that this is "just a blood clotting issue".
With all this, i still want to be able to play good games, i still think it can be made possible with a good Subscription selling system
Is no need to be rude without knowing the whole thing.
5. Why i said i am not embarrassed to ask if a sponsor can donate me a game? Simple, because i am not asking it as a rule for companies, not because i am a scammer who wants to resell it, not because i am a beggar on the street, or a lazy and irresponsible person (many of the posts are just perfect examples of how easy people jump to insult others for no reason at all) but because i played 3 ESO betas, i liked, i would like to play it even for a month only, and because looking for a game donation is nothing to be ashamed of. i did it too with some of my f2p games accounts where i invested many months of playtime, so asking for a a game too, i consider harmless.
Keep in mind that the so blamed reference was only a small part of my post, just to make what i can to enjoy for a month at least, a title that i really like, that is all, no need to make it a paranoia thread, really!
All the best!
I suppose I have become the dreaded elitist prick that I so desperately hate, LMAO...this household has 8 subbing TRION accounts between RIFT & Defiance. We thought it was a fabulous company and the F2P aspect intrigued us and as we are able to we felt it quite important that we pay so that those less fortunate than us were able to enjoy a quality product. I have discovered two things from that dismal experience.
1. TRION sucks ass as a company and their products are horrible.
2. F2P players who do not pay are nasty, whining "entitled" children.
Neither statement is totally correct nor is it either that far off base. We are so glad that ESO has priced itself outside of some of the market and (wait for it here it comes, LOL)
dang it if you can't afford to pay for the game and the monthly, go play somewhere else and leave those of us who can alone.
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If you can pay for a PC, phone line, electricity, broadband and the game itself I wouldn't think you would have a problem paying a sub. The sub to ESO in the UK is roughly comparable to 5 pints of beer or just about the same price as 40 cigarettes, which is pretty cheap for all the hours you will spend in ESO. I seriously doubt you can't afford the sub in your country even if it meant cutting back on other non-essentials.
If you're THAT hard up, I'd consider selling the PC and getting rid of the broadband and spend the money on something for your family.
Responsibilities > Games.
Cant handle that, stop playing. And if you cant afford it, find a new hobby.
Watch grass grow? That's cheap, unless you cant afford to water the lawn either?
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Did you even read my above post? "How do you know that i can personally afford a "gaming pc" and "high speed" internet ? This is an area about none of the readers know anything, still lots felt free to assume that i bought myself a mighty gaming pc, high speed internet connection and worse, i did that because i am a selfish person, with wrong priorities, that spends all day "sitting in his ass" playing games while his family suffer because i am lazy and i do not do my best to support them..."
I guess not...
Who said i ask for F2P business model to be adopted in ESO? Seriously, cant people read anymore? I was ONLY pointing out a business model that cam make it possible for others to but Play time with ingame currency, maybe is a good idea maybe not, for god sake stop talking about things i didn't wrote about like f2p etc.
Also where did you see i was "whining for anything" or me "complaining" about me not affording to buy those games? Is a big difference between "whining or complaining" and pointing at an alternative business model, is this that hard to understand?
I clearly see how some people are plain ignoran , not understanding what the topic is really about and how they can't read something without twisting it to something totally different of what my post is...
Anyway I think is not worth answering anymore to those who are just repeating endlessly same old few ideas they are capable of, which have nothing in common with my OP.
Landscape a neighbors yard once a month for $.
Problem solved.
Or how people log onto forums QQ'ing looking for sympathy over a video game. Get real!
You still never answered how you came by that computer that can run ESO or have internet ? If you didn't buy it then what ? Someone gave it to you ?
Hemophilia doesn't stop you from doing desk job.
The point still stand, if you don't have the money to play the game, you simply should do something else. There is a lot of free hobby out there, and it would prolly give you more time with the family.
You are pissed that people assume things, yet you don't explain anything.
All you say is that you are poor and can't work, somehow your wife can't work either for whatever reason, we can only guess. If you have a wife.. again guesses.
Now you live with 200 euros a month, find something else to enjoy your time.. spending money on game is certainly the worst of the choices you could make.
All you history on this site is you begging for something...
Yep, he spouted this in his OP...As i found out that life is too short to hide my honest wishes, I do not feel embarrassed to ask for a sponsor for whom the price of the Standard Edition will not be a problem. If someone can make this happen, he can write me a personal message."
I think the focal point of his entire post was to whip up some sympathy and incline someone to spring him a copy of the game. Seems like whining (his choice of word) to me.
HAHA..might have to use this as my sig ,concerning f2p advocates!! XD
Poverty sucks...
Disabilities suck....
That said, People in those situations find compromise solutions to their problems on a daily basis...solutions that do not typically include luxury items... which MMOs most certainly are.
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You mean with the vanity pets, name change token<,and the horse ,which incidentally you can also earn ingame with gold..just takes work.
Yeah ok...p2w has a new definition.
Okay, if you can't afford a computer and can't afford the internet, this whole post is moot. The OP said so himself... how can you assume I can afford these things? Apparently we are incorrect in assuming that he can, thus he cannot. No computer, no internet, game won't run.
From this we can now conclude that he stole his computer, has a cracked copy of ESO installed, and is leeching off of his neighbors wi-fi connection. He wants us to sport him the monthly sub fee until he can steal someone's ESO account information.
This is worthy of a kickstarter campaign if I ever saw one...
This. Thank you.
Everyone deserves to be treated respectfully.
I don't see it as best for me. Look money is power and if you don't have it you will have less choices. There are plenty of free to play options out there for you which means if you find something that offends you well, go somewhere else. That is not a dis on you but just the way of the world.
It is about making cheap for poors. Don't even try to pull the bullcrap fair card. Life isn't fair. Body is has a right to play a video game for free no matter how entitled they feel about the matter. Didn't say that was you.
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Find a good guild. In my old guild we all pitched in and built entire computers for two members who were down on their luck. Also, when GW2 came out, I happened to be down on my luck. I had lost my job. One of my guildmates bought the game for me. A good group of people to game with is nothing to shake a stick at. Be a good member, share your in game knowledge with newbies, help recruit, and show up for guild events when RL allows and a good guild will take care of you. Why? Because you're worth more to them playing the game, than you are sitting on the sidelines.
As far as folks who are less fortunate, if Zenimax could come up with some abuse-proof (or at least, mostly abuse-proof) sponsorship program, I would sponsor someone's monthly fee. Especially, if Zenimax gave me a break on the cost. Say, instead of $14.99/mo, they only charged me $11.99/mo because I'm paying for someone's account. That gives me a 20% discount, but they are still making an extra $9.00 a month off me because, the sponsored player wouldn't be able to game otherwise. Plus, I could write it off on my taxes. You get to play, Zenimax makes more money, I get a tax write off. Win/Win/Win.
The problem is, it would get abused all to hell and Zenimax probably couldn't be bothered to make it work. /shrug.
Eve does this and has one of the best economy systems in an mmo.
In fact the games that don't do it and rely instead on loot drops being the "best" equipment usually have terrible economies compared to how it all works.