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[Interview] General: Trions Glyph Aims to Make You Not Hate Launchers
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The first thing I thought when Trion announced its Glyph game launcher and sales platform was admittedly, “God, not another one.” Then, after talking to Scott Hartsman and Anais Grueb from the developer and publishing parent, my reservation has moved to bright optimism. Trion’s goal isn’t to compete with Steam or shove their cash shop purchases down your throat. They’re not going to try and sell every game on the planet, rather they plan on carefully curating and hand-picking the titles they partner with to be featured on Glyph. And more than anything it’s a perfect way to keep all of their own games connected, sharing one launcher, and booting from one place. In a way, it’s akin to Battle.Net’s own launcher, only Trion hopes it goes much further than that.
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All I ever wanted was for more launchers.
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Well, I'm quite the contrary, don't use any of those, and don't plan to either...
The only one I use is gog, and not just because of the guys at CDProject are nice fellas from a few hundred km's from here
(following this reason I should be a steam fan as well, Gabe is a cool dude, Valve has great games, I wasted years of my life on HL and CS) The main reason I support gog is that they really have a lightweight client, lightweight as in 0 bytes. Not to mention you can do anything you want with the games you buy from them, without any ties to some bloatware like the steam client.
Based on my limited experience with Trion (a few months of Rift and some Defiance) they're ok, and I already gave them a big thumbs up for the great f2p model of Rift (I even went back for a month after the f2p switch). I guess that's why I plan to give a shot to this Glyph a few months later on my other gear (where I used to install every crap for testing purposes
). While Rift and Defiance won't be a huge loss for me, I admit I really want to try both Trove and ArcheAge...
It doesn't change the fact that I don't like the idea behind Glyph, no matter how "extremely trim" is the client. Don't like this "unification" trend at all...
Can players for new games have the ability to just load games they want to play .. you know the "old fashioned" way with double clicking icons?
I find launchers annoying. They load at boot (unless you manually edit your system config), sitting there .. waiting .. watching, like HAL's big red eye. The EULA for them is frustrating, and sometimes includes such language as the user authorizes company to monitor their software and web activity, etc, for "marketing" & research benefiting 3rd parties. No thx.
What was wrong with the old way of launching games, with an optional login client to download stuff, then logout (and stop/kill the app's background process from memory)?
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It's not about performance (at least in my case, my gear is fine), it's about principles
I don't put anything on my gear I don't use or not useful for me. And I get pissed off if someone tries to force something onto me I don't want.
This new trend is only good for the companies. Information is king, data (warehouses and mining) is the new buzzword, and I try to minimise my parttake of it. For me this new wave of "we forcing on you our new client and you must use it if you want our games" is like forcing you to put a huge apple sticker on your car if you want to use any iDiot product
why would I do that?
My gear is my property, and I don't want companies use my resources, regardless of how "trim" and "lightweight" is their client. It just seems wrong, and I don't buy the common "that's the way it is now, just accept it and go with the flow" reasoning either.
"Online games all have launcher/patchers. I would rather have one of these installed per publisher than one each per game." I can agree with it. But this late trend is not about that, it's about data gathering, marketing, and tracking.
For example, you mentioned Arc. Cryptic had a perfect, small, common launcher for their 3 games. It was great. PWE is swapping that launcher with Arc, because the Cryptic launcher was just a launcher for the games, and that's not enough for PWE, they also want social data, ads, and a store in it as well. With the cover-up of a "launcher". This is the trend I don't like, not the launchers themselves...
Sadly my reaction was exactly "Heavens, not another launcher"
It is to the point hat sometime you buy something on steam, and it start another launcher, Uplay, Blizzard launcer, Arc, Glyph, Origin and whatever else.
I understand they want you to use their launcher so you buy their products but.. is getting a tad out of hand.
Getting to the point instead of have 5 icons for 5 games, you have 5 icons for 5 launcher that launch the one game you play on it, adding unnecessary complications to the whole thing.
For example I bought Anno 2070 from steam before Uplay existed, last time I installed it, Steam launched Uplay that launched the game. Yeah I can just start Uplay at this point but.. c'mon.
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Well said and could not really say it better myself. Had this discussion / argument with some guildies over the Arc and how they even are using carrots / cheese to lure you in now. Apparently (quite obvious) some people do not mind companies marking their every move and underwear style and size for their own profit. Me, I kinda do.
I am really happy with Glyph so far. I am a Trove alpha player since start and the update process of Trove has been less than ideal, so Glyph is perfect. And I am also playing Rift and Defiance. And I have not noticed any impact on my PC, it is lightweight and does what it is supposed to do.
I really look forward to sink my teeth into ArcheAge later this year. Well I play on the Russian servers but I want to play on a English client. And I am curious to see what games that will show up over time.
Overall I am happy with Glyph and can only see it improve over time.
i'm going back to single player games.....i'll see you people in 5 years when the games get virtually no where cause htey can sit back ripping you all off....
these new launchers are just shoving bullcrap ads in my face....
I really don't see it being viable as a marketed product.I think was simply a case of them wanting it for themselves but no harm in trying to make money off of it as well.
One thing for sure they are not going to beat Steam's prices and most people like probably 95% want one simple place which is probably Steam.
I might add that it really is no big deal devs have had platforms to launch all their games for years now.I see it as actually being more cost efficient for them to have one client login all their games rather than several.
How on earth does that other poster play Rift/Defiance/Trove and will be playing AA as well,not sure you sleep EVER ..lol.
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Yeah I agree, I think they just wanted it to market their own products and thought what the hell, otherwise they just could have got into bed with Arc.
1 launcher per game vs a single launcher for a bunch of games still equals the same amount of launchers needed to load a game and patch it. Kind of meh "news" to be honest.
The real sign of a company caring about it's customers is when you can launch the game on another plattform, like Steam, and it does not start it's own launcher,, but goes straight into the game.
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So it IS going to be a separate launcher...Guess I will no longer be playing Trion games. I will not support this or any other company that does crap like it.
They can "Say" they are not trying to compete with Steam but in fact they are, which is why they are going to force us to use their launcher which is going to shove all their games, their "choices" of who they are going to support and all the other crap they are going to put in it. No thank you. I will not give up using Steam for any one companies launcher, their games are not worth giving up direct access to the Steam Community when I am playing, They can tout 10 million Trion community members but that's all that it is, TRION members and I know few of them outside my guild, a guild that spans many games and I have access to all of them all of the time via Steam, as well as my friends that don't play MMOs. I wont give up access to them when playing Trion games.
Worse yet, these types of launchers are major game companies way of getting a stranglehold on indie game makers by taking money from them. I will not feed the corporate machine by supporting Indie companies having a foot placed on their neck and make them dependent on big companies for success, it takes the very idea of being INDEPEDENT away. We finally are at a point with Kickstarter to break the hold major game companies have on the stagnant market they created and now we are supposed to support a platform that is going to end that?!? No.
Guess its time to end my sub to Rift, I will not fund a company using a tactic like that. Keep your paws off my indies and keep your launcher away from my personal gaming community, I will not have that broken up either.
There isn't another reason for a launcher. We already have many unnecessary ones. It's not exactly difficult to find a game I want on Steam so it's not as if I wade through a "sea of also rans" to find what I want and I like the fact Steam is bringing in a wider range of games rather than being the very exclusive and prestigious club they used to be, much like this new launcher will wind up being.
Steam is the only launcher I need. Unfortunately I'm forced to use Origin too and I hope that Trion isn't going to force me to use yet another launcher I don't because they want to compete for a slice of the market that's completely dominated by Steam. It's unlikely the client will be as feature rich as the Steam client at launch, either.
Yes a new version is right. A version designed to handle ALL trion games (which btw makes it a separate launcher) and feed us information on whatever other games they decide to support while attempting to grip the neck of Indie companies to get us to give money to Trion to distribute those games.
NO WAY will I help an indie company by paying a bigger company to look as if they are helping them, when in fact they are going to FAT off of money from Indies and use it to take them over. That is how we wound up with EA. They got RICH off of distributing other companies games and then bought them out when they could. NO THANK YOU. I will not support the enslavement of indies at a time when we can finally break the corporate stranglehold on gaming.
We don't need Glyph, and the very idea that any gamer will support this is mind boggling when you look past what they are spewing about it, especially the BS about games being lost in Steam, the fact they even bring it up while saying they are not trying to replace Steam proves they have ulterior motives. hell the very fact they are attempting to say its not a separate launcher when it CLEARLY IS since it can launch any Trion game from the same launcher when the current launchers are for each game separately PROVES spin doctoring of the truth, and one does not lie unless they are hiding something.
I already cancelled my sub to Rift because of this, I will no longer invest in their games until this is changed, and if it isn't, they lost a customer for good and I will be sure to continue to point out as often as I can what supporting Glyph means to the indie gaming world every chance I get and if I can counter the propaganda with just one person, it means less money towards another takeover of smaller companies.
Is the current Rift launcher a launcher only from Rift? Yes, Is the Defiance launcher for Defiance? Yes. Is the new Glyph launcher different? Yes. Its a separate launcher. Right now I can launch both from Steam, a separate launcher, in the future I will have to use Glyph and deal with all the crap that comes with it. No amount of spin will changed that. Nor company talking points one would expect to only come from someone advertising for them.
As for what you are saying about Indie developers having many choices now, Glyph is set up to make indie developers reliant on them. Distribution and using their charging systems. Steam gains money from sales, they do not take money away from indies like Trion will with Glyph and you know it which is why you completely ignored all the points I made pointing it out.
BTW, thanks for having to turn to name calling, it proves you have nothing real to say at all.
They do have some cool titles but they really need to work on the nuts and bolts.
Its clearly using torrent only dl system with 0 settings so it eats your network in about 10 seconds (even high speed networks.)
thankfully you can use the old school defiance installer and shoe horn the game into glyph.
Since it's launch, Glyph right now = Glych, the most hated event in Rift. One can't keep up with the complaints, outright hate posts. And to those who on play one game, this seems totally unnecessary.
Trion is succeeding in not only creating launch haters but Trion haters.