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Farlan "Re-gifting" Pioneer Accounts?
Phife
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According to http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=49043 you may now buy a recycled pioneer account!
It's kind of sad, really. I'm not flaming, but hear me out. I mean, I would be really ticked off if I was an original pioneer. Pioneers were supposed to be special. Pioneers forked over 59.99 to pre-order (i.e. pre-pay) for Dark and Light, on faith! Part of the reason they paid was to attain special benefits and other perks (i.e. Pioneer dragon, money carried over to DnL from SoG, access to SoG, special title in DnL, etc.).
Now, since the game has turned out to be a major dissapointment, massive amounts of people have asked for refunds. Farlan is thus recycling the pioneer accounts to try to make back some lost revenue.
I ask you reasonable folks: Please, don't pay for this, Dare I say it?... scam. If you really want to try DnL (SoG) then please, by all means hold out for more freebie accounts. Do not pay these guys any more money. They honestly do not deserve it. I challenge you to name one reason why they deserve one penny from the MMO community, much more: $59.99?!
More freebie test accounts are in order at this stage. That would be a good gesture to say, "Hey, the game is a work in progress, but come look at what we've done." At this point though, I ask you this: Based on the past month, has Farlan earned the right to make more people pay-to-play? No.
P.S. - This time they are not telling how many accounts are up for sale. For instance if there were 8,881 Pioneer accounts sold and 5,000 got refunds, they are not saying, "There are 5,000 accounts for sale." Basicly they are just saying "While supplies last." So, in theory they could sell 10,000 more pioneer accounts and no one would be the wiser. Another shady move, IMHO.
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You do know that Pioneers that actually had their Refund Request finalized was able to login to SOG still if they tried.
(Yes, the ones that have already completed their refund request and actually got their refund money in their bank already!)
Yes, I have validated this with a few people also
I wonder if they can still login now that they are reselling those keys ...
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Ok.
I just have been confirmed that people that have successfully received their refund are still able to login to SoG at this time
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Ok, so I actually reread their statement and they are actually getting smarter now in how they are doing this.
They are making sure that this 2nd round of "Pioneers" are going to be the bigger sucker than the 1st set of pioneers.
Why I say this?
Ok Let us please reread what they have posted just today and let me highlight the most important part of the statement for the 2nd round of "Pioneers" to SOG.:
originally posted at http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=49043
Now read that post again.
Ok, reread it another time so it can sink in clearly enough for you.
You see what I am seeing there?
The 1st set of Pioneers can get a Refund at ANY given time.
Farlan has made it explicit in their post this time around that the 2nd set of Pioneers will have NO ability to get a refund at all!
Is this all sinking in good enough for some of you?
I can happily break it down Barney style if needed.
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Fairly shocking but expected they are going to try to resell these for $60. It would be interesting to see what the motive for this is. Do they need money to stay afloat? Do they need to show their investors there is still enough interest in the game? Did they already spend the money from the first sale and need it back?
Even more intersting is they are not giving the number of accounts up for sale. It must be a lot. I am sure they also do not want to be embarassed when they don't sell. Did anyone notice that the new buyers have to agree not to seek a refund.
My refunded pioneer account still works btw. Either they are to lazy to shut it off or they need more people to keep the world somewhat populated.
I am still expecting this game to close up in Febuary or March.
Ya Zippy.
I had to do a double take on their statement.
Actually highlighted it in my post above.
Technically, the 2nd set of Pioneers will not be able to get a refund unlike the 1st set of Pioneers.
But I do find it interesting that the current 1st set of Pioneers that have received refunds can still login to SoG.
Also more interesting is that they stated they are "Using the refunded Pioneer Keys for the 2nd set of Pioneer keys".
If they "REALLY" are using the original 8,881 Pioneer keys, then why are those that have received a refund can still login?
If they really are using the Original keys and just recycling them, then the SoG Accounts that has already received their refunds should be unable to login to SOG yet they still can.
Technically speaking the refunded accounts should have their databases reset or removed in order to keep their statement true of ONLY having 8,881 ORIGINAL Pioneer keys and those that are refuinded are recyled back for sale.
I am only experienced on databases via my hobby of making a website but it doesn't take a genius to realize whats the deal here.
I can also post what I am trying to say here Barney style for those that are not able to get what I am saying
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The last official post I read was that they are going to recyle the same Pioneer Keys that was refunded is why I have been stumped by this.
It is clearly stated here:
http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showpost.php?p=828208&postcount=1
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"Do they need money to stay afloat?"
Well ya.. why else would they be doing ti if they had millions to use. Snailgame didn't give them shit if they were smart. It says based on the revenue sharing agreement the deal exceeds 3 mill EURO. That doesnt mean they got 3 mill Euro.
Them saying no refund means nothing. Theres no such thing as a no refund. All you need to do is call your bamk and do a charge back and theres your refund. And the customer "ALWAYS" wins with that. I am sure even click and buy would still issues refunds no matter what Farlan says.
Exactly! Suckering them in and trying this time to limit the refund. They wont get away with it. A shitty, unusable game is valid reason for any refund. This just smells more and more like two little 15yr olds in their parents garage. If you are US then, you got a refund by telling your credit card company you cant use the game as intended. Bam! Refund! and screw C&B and Farlan.
And yes, one of my first thots was hows come they aint saying how many pioneers are available? Cuz they are gonna sell all they can, regardless of the 8881.
And yes, those that DO buy it, wellllll, from what the forums are all about, ppl are still stupid and will buy anything I guess. Talk about "buyer beware"..lolololol
It is a major joke at this point..
This is like selling antiques to 10 000 people, have 9 000 realize its fake and refund them and then turn around and try pawn the stuff off again..
Surely a sign on how badly they are suffering financial with desperate ideas like this. What strikes me as odd is the general morpg community total atitude with it. DNL is actualy hyped to the point where Mourning is a bad experience but Farlan cannot do anything wrong in their eyes. People are so desperate to play DNL by now they ignore the fact its lacking compared to all the other games exept a huge world map... If that is all you want, buy Microsoft Flight Simulator 2006 and kite around in pretending its a DNL dragon...
Personaly i grew tired of the game VERY fast, yeah is huge but the spells/skills lineup is equal to free2play games so you are paying to run around in a large virtual world.
The thing that really did it for me was the southern start spot for Light side. It has a newbie area with "pig"'s that are semi-bugged for starters, they skip around and wont attack you making them easy kills. Then they are all ganged up in a pile so naturaly you got casters throwing area spells killing 10 at a time.
This is nothing out of the ordinary for a beta game but every pig gives 3 exp.. I can run into the forrest and kill a lvl 13 spider with alot of work for 5 exp... Which do you hink i will go for, 1 shoot 1 kill for 3 exp or full stamina drain and some hp drain for 5 exp..?
Naturaly this newbie area became power level heaven and they actualy put a GM there to monitor the area 24/7 whom would teleport lvl 10 and up people away saying "there are bigger mobs for you out there".. ok? So now i am playing a RP game where i am told to kill...? REALLY solving the problem newbie developer style v1.0
Next day i ran passed and to my suprised noticed they modified 7-8 of the pigs to lvl 42 and 43 mobs..
I assume so if someone cast area spells there would be big mobs there aggro and dangerous, solving the problem newbie developer style v2.0..
When you killed the pigs they would actualy speak and say "stop killing us or our big friend will get you". Of course, they wouldnt but now one could attack just the lvl 42-43 pigs and get GREAT loots and 28 and up depending on lvl exp wise... All the big levels were back in notime power leveling.
Next day they had another solution, when you killed the pigs they would actualy speak and say "stop killing us or we call the wizard for help".. So after 4-5 kills a wizard would apear summoning a lvl 35 dragon that did a 1 hit kill on my lvl 23ish archer, solving the problem newbie developer style v3.0..
One really gets the feeling Farland bought the system code aswell as the world map and are unable to change/modify it in any way, much like people would setup basic MUD libs and run without anything customized or added.
I am surprised these people are not in some kind of court of law over this by now.. Imagine if Ubisoft or Blizzard or some other big company in the States would of charged $60 to 9,000 people for an empty world that is barely a beta and on top of it fight to not give refunds.. there would be hell to pay.
but yet these clowns still have some people left on their forums.
Farlan clearly stated that they wanted to 'reward' their fan base. I an probably buy that given that they didn't expect SoG to be so popular. Not sure but may be.
What selling an initial tranche of keys did however was enable them to test / prove the method by which they sold the game. There were some issues in some parts of the world but these were sorted. There were some people who didn't trust ClicknBuy but they now know that this is a 1005 legit company who will also give refunds when needed. So good news and good news.
So they need the money? $500k is a drop in the ocean. Good in an individuals bank account I am sure but small change really. Guys who founded Farlan got lots when they sold various companies prior to founding Farlan. Does mean that they don't have some equity company forcing them to release regardless.
You're a pretty naive fool arent you?
THEY HAVE NO MONEY... Farlan has no money. That is why they did it. Not to "test out" anything. If $500k was a drop in the bucket for them than DnL would of been done a very LONG time ago and they would not have a small team of 15 morons on some dodo infested island trying to build a mmorpg.
wake up and smell the roses..
The driving force for ANY business is money.
That is the ONLY reason they are made in the 1st place.
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I'm so happy. You all are getting what you deserve. Mwahahahahahaha. You should have listened to me!
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"You do know that Pioneers that actually had their Refund Request finalized was able to login to SOG still if they tried."
that just further shows the stupidity and incompetence of these developers.
That's very interesting Kilim. I haven't tried. In all honesty I don't intend to either.
“Hustlers of the world, there is one mark you cannot beat: the mark inside.”
― William S. Burroughs
If Farlan/NP3 would put out a product that was worth 59.99, I would gladly pay for it. After all, I'm looking for my next "addiction." The only problem is, at this point, they haven't proven to me that they deserve my money.
If they prove it, then they may get it. Otherwise, they don't. Perhaps another game (i.e. Pirates of the Burning Sea, Vanguard, Age of Conan, w/e.) WILL prove it to me before they do.
That's the real key, you have to make me want to play your game. Farlan just makes me want to ridicule them...which I do well.
It just shows their incompetence IMHO.
How long will it take them, God only knows I guess
Maybe it will take them as fast as the fixes that was made that is in SoG now that was in Beta
Anyone with some sort of common sense would know they screwing up alot on the "Refunded Pioneer Keys".
IF they are seriously using the same amount of Pioneer Keys and ALSO using the same Pioneer Keys as stated by Farlan ...
Come on people, Do I have to spell it out Barney style?
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