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[Column] EverQuest Next: The Franchise at 15

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129

Nothing says, “Everquest is awesome!” quite like a picture of Omeed Dariani riding the 1970s Batmobile. Everquest has come a long (really long) way since Omeed and his Batmobiling ways. In one sense, this is because Omeed now has his very own Everquest Live loveseat, and also because Everquest has grown in its own way over time, culminating in the development of Everquest Next Landmark and Everquest Next.

Read more of Victor Barreiro Jr.'s EverQuest Next: The Franchise at 15.

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  • BearKnightBearKnight Member CommonPosts: 461

    EQ:Next and EQ:Landmark are not part of the Everquest franchise. 

     

    Smedley said quite clearly that the newer incarnations are "re-imaginings" of the original franchise....meaning "New". 

     

    If you're going to talk about the older Everquest Franchise, which is indeed now 15, at least try to talk about stuff actually going on in Everquest or Everquest 2 please :'(. I got very disappointed reading this when only EQ:N and EQ:L are being talked about.

     
     

    I think this was quite clear when they said that EQ:N and EQ:L aren't for the original Everquest fans, but a new audience as a whole. 

     

     
  • BearKnightBearKnight Member CommonPosts: 461
    Seems editing is broken? It won't add in what I edited...... :(?
  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Member UncommonPosts: 3,713
    EQ2 was a reimagining of EQ. It even exists in an alternate timeline and features vastly different gameplay. Really EQ online adventures was the only game in line with EQ1 as far as gameplay and lore goes.

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  • galjingaljin Member UncommonPosts: 15
    Physics please...
  • MoiraeMoirae Member RarePosts: 3,318

    Umm... yes, EQ2, EQ Next, and EQ Landmark ARE Everquest. Even if they are reimaginings that doesn't make them NOT Everquest. Same creators, honey.

     

    Ever After is a reimagining of Cinderella but that doesn't make it NOT Cinderella.

     

    Harry Potter has references and is based on almost all the great fairy tales of history but it is NOT a remake so it is NOT any of those stories. 

     

    And as much as it aggravates most of its fans, the Star Wars prequels with Hayden Christensen ARE Star Wars and are accepted canon in spite of the fact that they changed several things about the original Star Wars movies we so loved (Hayden Christensens whining as Anakin not withstanding).

     

    There are many other examples but I think you get the point. 

     

    The new EQ games ARE Everquest whether it changes the stories and whether we like it or not. 

  • Ender4Ender4 Member UncommonPosts: 2,247


    Originally posted by BearKnight
    EQ:Next and EQ:Landmark are not part of the Everquest franchise.  Smedley said quite clearly that the newer incarnations are "re-imaginings" of the original franchise....meaning "New".  If you're going to talk about the older Everquest Franchise, which is indeed now 15, at least try to talk about stuff actually going on in Everquest or Everquest 2 please :::'(::. I got very disappointed reading this when only EQ:N and EQ:L are being talked about.     I think this was quite clear when they said that EQ:N and EQ:L aren't for the original Everquest fans, but a new audience as a whole.     


    I thought they said they were connected as in different dimensions of the same planet.

  • NadiaNadia Member UncommonPosts: 11,798
    Originally posted by Ender4


    I thought they said they were connected as in different dimensions of the same planet.

    connected in the Ethernere

    http://www.eqhammer.com/article/ask-druid-new-lore-everquest-next-so-far

    the Norraths of EverQuest, EverQuest II and EverQuest Next are separate planes of existence, but all of them connect in Ethernere.

  • Ender4Ender4 Member UncommonPosts: 2,247


    Originally posted by Nadia
    Originally posted by Ender4 I thought they said they were connected as in different dimensions of the same planet.
    connected in the Ethernere

    http://www.eqhammer.com/article/ask-druid-new-lore-everquest-next-so-far

    the Norraths of EverQuest, EverQuest II and EverQuest Next are separate planes of existence, but all of them connect in Ethernere.


    Thanks. I searched all over the internet for that info and couldn't find it, thought I was going crazy.

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    Originally posted by BearKnight

    EQ:Next and EQ:Landmark are not part of the Everquest franchise. 

     

    Smedley said quite clearly that the newer incarnations are "re-imaginings" of the original franchise....meaning "New". 

     

    If you're going to talk about the older Everquest Franchise, which is indeed now 15, at least try to talk about stuff actually going on in Everquest or Everquest 2 please :'(. I got very disappointed reading this when only EQ:N and EQ:L are being talked about.

     
     

    I think this was quite clear when they said that EQ:N and EQ:L aren't for the original Everquest fans, but a new audience as a whole. 

     

     

    Well Landmark definitely is not because it has NOTHING but player made content,no lore notta thing to join it with an EQ title.

    Next however i feel will be exactly another EQ game,i bet it even has Heritage quests the same as EQ2 did.Honestly SOE is not creative,so everything will be the same,more zones ,more quests more cash shop.

    I would not put it past SOE to even use many of the same assets from the previous titles.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • nyxiumnyxium Member UncommonPosts: 1,345
    EQ: Next, looking good!
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857

    Talk about a subjective argument. EQN EQL part of / not part of EQ1 and EQ2. What's the difference  if it is or isn't? What makes a game EQ or not EQ? At this point, it's the name the publisher puts on it. SoE says it's EQ so it's EQ. If you, as a player see the "cross dimentional" connection and "re imagining" as connected then it's conected, if not..........

    It's like saying Heath Ledger played the real Joker, not Jack Nicholson.

  • kostanzakostanza Member UncommonPosts: 59
    Still amazed at how quickly people threw money at Landmark and embraced it the second SOE changed the descriptor from "toolset" to "game"...that's just top notch scammin there...wont be surprised when they vape "Next" by saying "you helped create the real Norrath in landmark instead, so we will just use that!"
  • Ender4Ender4 Member UncommonPosts: 2,247


    Originally posted by kostanza
    Still amazed at how quickly people threw money at Landmark and embraced it the second SOE changed the descriptor from "toolset" to "game"...that's just top notch scammin there...wont be surprised when they vape "Next" by saying "you helped create the real Norrath in landmark instead, so we will just use that!"

    It is a game? Have you looked at the roadmap of what is going in during closed beta? I spent money on Landmark because I support a company for trying to do something different instead of just throwing out another themepark clone of WoW. I don't expect to love that game but I will show some financial support to the company. EQN is in a very short list of MMORPG coming out that have any shot at not being complete garbage.

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Originally posted by kostanza
    Still amazed at how quickly people threw money at Landmark and embraced it the second SOE changed the descriptor from "toolset" to "game"...that's just top notch scammin there...wont be surprised when they vape "Next" by saying "you helped create the real Norrath in landmark instead, so we will just use that!"

    The talk from these devs about Landmark need to be toned down a lot.  

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Is the team that's working on Landmark the same people who have been working on EQ the last 15 years?
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    Originally posted by Ender4

     


    Originally posted by kostanza
    Still amazed at how quickly people threw money at Landmark and embraced it the second SOE changed the descriptor from "toolset" to "game"...that's just top notch scammin there...wont be surprised when they vape "Next" by saying "you helped create the real Norrath in landmark instead, so we will just use that!"

     

    It is a game? Have you looked at the roadmap of what is going in during closed beta? I spent money on Landmark because I support a company for trying to do something different instead of just throwing out another themepark clone of WoW. I don't expect to love that game but I will show some financial support to the company. EQN is in a very short list of MMORPG coming out that have any shot at not being complete garbage.

    Why is giving money out just for the sake of doing something different a good thing to do, unless you are sure it would actually be better? All that says is that anyone can throw "stuff" against the wall and hope something sticks.  So, EQ won't be a clone of it's former self and by extension, WoW. So that automatically means it will be better?

    I'm a fan of GW2, but I will also say that many of the changes ANET brought to the genre either came with trade-offs of some kind, or was done to be different, not better. Either way, some of these changes were only different but did not improve anything. We just robbed Peter to Pay Paul since they corrected one problem but introduced a whole new one.

    We, as consumers, should only be rewarding desired results.

     

  • XthosXthos Member UncommonPosts: 2,740
    Originally posted by Wizardry
    Originally posted by BearKnight

    EQ:Next and EQ:Landmark are not part of the Everquest franchise. 

     

    Smedley said quite clearly that the newer incarnations are "re-imaginings" of the original franchise....meaning "New". 

     

    If you're going to talk about the older Everquest Franchise, which is indeed now 15, at least try to talk about stuff actually going on in Everquest or Everquest 2 please :'(. I got very disappointed reading this when only EQ:N and EQ:L are being talked about.

     
     

    I think this was quite clear when they said that EQ:N and EQ:L aren't for the original Everquest fans, but a new audience as a whole. 

     

     

    Well Landmark definitely is not because it has NOTHING but player made content,no lore notta thing to join it with an EQ title.

    Next however i feel will be exactly another EQ game,i bet it even has Heritage quests the same as EQ2 did.Honestly SOE is not creative,so everything will be the same,more zones ,more quests more cash shop.

    I would not put it past SOE to even use many of the same assets from the previous titles.

     Yeah, zones, quests, and cash shops, no one is doing that in a f2p game anymore, SoE needs to just go out of business or adjust and make the cash shop, like a leave a tip shop, or a honor system, like your unattended candy basket with a take only 1 sign on it during halloween.  If they can get rid of any zones period, that will maybe also get rid of quests too, just depends.  I don't think they get it though, we probably will not see these important changes.

  • XthosXthos Member UncommonPosts: 2,740
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Originally posted by kostanza
    Still amazed at how quickly people threw money at Landmark and embraced it the second SOE changed the descriptor from "toolset" to "game"...that's just top notch scammin there...wont be surprised when they vape "Next" by saying "you helped create the real Norrath in landmark instead, so we will just use that!"

    The talk from these devs about Landmark need to be toned down a lot.  

     Why?  Their new model is to communicate more openly.  I may not love Landmark when done, but I do not see how anyone benefits from them not discussing it, or discussing it less.

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Originally posted by Xthos
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Originally posted by kostanza
    Still amazed at how quickly people threw money at Landmark and embraced it the second SOE changed the descriptor from "toolset" to "game"...that's just top notch scammin there...wont be surprised when they vape "Next" by saying "you helped create the real Norrath in landmark instead, so we will just use that!"

    The talk from these devs about Landmark need to be toned down a lot.  

     Why?  Their new model is to communicate more openly.  I may not love Landmark when done, but I do not see how anyone benefits from them not discussing it, or discussing it less.

    Example, telling people "Build your own mmo" but not telling people you cannot build outside of your claim.

     

    The frequency of communication is not a problem. What is being communicated is, and even more so the accuracy of that communication.

     

    Landmark is so far from the grandious statements you hear the devs toss about, that those statements are more PR talking points than actual design.  

     

    Landmark is a tool for 3d modelers. It is not a game. Maybe sometime in the future it will be.  If anyone tells you different, they are selling something.

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Originally posted by justmemyselfandi
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Originally posted by Xthos
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Originally posted by kostanza
    Still amazed at how quickly people threw money at Landmark and embraced it the second SOE changed the descriptor from "toolset" to "game"...that's just top notch scammin there...wont be surprised when they vape "Next" by saying "you helped create the real Norrath in landmark instead, so we will just use that!"

    The talk from these devs about Landmark need to be toned down a lot.  

     Why?  Their new model is to communicate more openly.  I may not love Landmark when done, but I do not see how anyone benefits from them not discussing it, or discussing it less.

    Example, telling people "Build your own mmo" but not telling people you cannot build outside of your claim.

     

    The frequency of communication is not a problem. What is being communicated is, and even more so the accuracy of that communication.

     

    Landmark is so far from the grandious statements you hear the devs toss about, that those statements are more PR talking points than actual design.  

     

    Landmark is a tool for 3d modelers. It is not a game. Maybe sometime in the future it will be.  If anyone tells you different, they are selling something.

    I'm just ready for them to release Landmark so it can fade off the spotlight ( and it will fade )  and maybe we'll start hearing more about the real EQ Next.

    I hope it's not the same people who have been working on EQ for the past 15 years, who are developing Landmark, who will be developing Next. It's like they're stuck in a time warp. I'm hoping this will be a pass-off type of thing. 

  • BearKnightBearKnight Member CommonPosts: 461
    Originally posted by Ender4

     


    Originally posted by BearKnight
    EQ:Next and EQ:Landmark are not part of the Everquest franchise. 

     

     

    Smedley said quite clearly that the newer incarnations are "re-imaginings" of the original franchise....meaning "New". 

     

    If you're going to talk about the older Everquest Franchise, which is indeed now 15, at least try to talk about stuff actually going on in Everquest or Everquest 2 please :::'(::. I got very disappointed reading this when only EQ:N and EQ:L are being talked about.     I think this was quite clear when they said that EQ:N and EQ:L aren't for the original Everquest fans, but a new audience as a whole.     


     


    I thought they said they were connected as in different dimensions of the same planet.

    Developers made it very clear that EQ:Next and EQ:Landmark are not part of the original Everquest as it is being made NOT for Everquest fans, but to bring in "New fans".

     

    They made this VERY clear in interviews and Twitter replies.

     

    I'm not sure why people seem to think this is EQ3 when it isn't. Heck, they even messed up the "Art" for EQ:Next.

     

    If it isn't made with the original Fans in mind whilst broadening it to a larger fanbase then it is not considered part of the original franchise. They literally have thrown original EQ fans out of the window.

  • samooryesordsamooryesord Member UncommonPosts: 105
    Yes! Only 3 more years...
  • KnotwoodKnotwood Member CommonPosts: 1,103
    Originally posted by BearKnight

    EQ:Next and EQ:Landmark are not part of the Everquest franchise. 

     

    Smedley said quite clearly that the newer incarnations are "re-imaginings" of the original franchise....meaning "New". 

     

    If you're going to talk about the older Everquest Franchise, which is indeed now 15, at least try to talk about stuff actually going on in Everquest or Everquest 2 please :'(. I got very disappointed reading this when only EQ:N and EQ:L are being talked about.

     
     

    I think this was quite clear when they said that EQ:N and EQ:L aren't for the original Everquest fans, but a new audience as a whole. 

     

     

    Yuppers and the EQ base speaks out!  I hear you on that one. EQ next was suppose to be my EQOA next, which was a game that's almost identical to EQ, and I'm sure EQ 1 fans really wanted EQ 1 Next also.

  • mysticalunamysticaluna Member UncommonPosts: 265

    The only good thing about EQNext is that I won't have to pay a penny for it, ever... 

    I really don't see it being more fun than Everquest 2, and that is a shame , I guess I'll just keep playing EQ1, Eq2 and EQNext for free for the next 15 yrs, until they develope an EQ3 someday,  because now without Vanguard: Saga of Heroes there is no reason to ever pay sony anymore money! 

    *sigh* 

    Every expansion recently for Everquest 2 has been a disappointment... Now, EQNext feels more like WoW than EQ... They really need a scaling Shadow Odyssey 2.0 from level 1 - 100 for new channelers so that we can play instead of pay, but no they just open up channelers as a heroic cash shop purchase, and won't just make The Shadow Odyssey scale from level 1-100 instead... 

    Please give us new lowbie zones for new characters!! I don't feel like going through the same zones again, and I still have some alts I can play !! It ceases to be a world, when everything is endgame instances, and there are no overland zones anymore... Vesspyr Broodlands was a total joke... the expansion is sad (. To much instancing, and not enough quests... 

     

  • strykr619strykr619 Member UncommonPosts: 287
    Originally posted by mysticaluna

    The only good thing about EQNext is that I won't have to pay a penny for it, ever... 

    I really don't see it being more fun than Everquest 2, and that is a shame , I guess I'll just keep playing EQ1, Eq2 and EQNext for free for the next 15 yrs, until they develope an EQ3 someday,  because now without Vanguard: Saga of Heroes there is no reason to ever pay sony anymore money! 

    *sigh* 

    Every expansion recently for Everquest 2 has been a disappointment... Now, EQNext feels more like WoW than EQ... They really need a scaling Shadow Odyssey 2.0 from level 1 - 100 for new channelers so that we can play instead of pay, but no they just open up channelers as a heroic cash shop purchase, and won't just make The Shadow Odyssey scale from level 1-100 instead... 

    Please give us new lowbie zones for new characters!! I don't feel like going through the same zones again, and I still have some alts I can play !! It ceases to be a world, when everything is endgame instances, and there are no overland zones anymore... Vesspyr Broodlands was a total joke... the expansion is sad (. To much instancing, and not enough quests... 

     

    EQNext feels like wow please stop with the failTROLL, their isn't even a working game yet for you to make such a statement. A 10 year old game making new low level zones? Thank god you don't work in the game industry with ideas like yours, Oh and if you think your getting EqNext without having to pay for the client LOL.....

     
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