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I don't understand why anyone plays this game...
I bought the game when it first came out, and it didn't do much to keep my interest. So I shelved it. Recently I tried the free trial just to check back in and see what had changed and if it was a much better game than it had been, but it's not. It confuses me that this game is as high as it is on the ratings here. So here's what I noticed when I played the trial recently:
1. Very few players around.
2. The interface and controls are irritating and bothersome.
3. Harvesting is uninteresting and random. Lots of running around.
4. Quests are uninteresting and boring.
5. Combat system is weak.
Now I can't say this is the worst MMO out there, not by far, but it's in the lower quarter. This game is destined to meet the same fate as AC2 in my experience. It's nowhere near worth the subscription fee...
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Mmh all depends on what you're looking for in a game. I have to agree with 1, 4, and 5, but not 2 and 3.
The interface is hard to figure in the beginning, but is quite handy once you're used to it, you can really customize it a lot, which is good thing. The only thing I'm sad about is that it's not skinnable, the design is too simple atm.
Harvesting is boring, but the interesting part is the "running around" and the fact it is >not< random as you say. You actually have to search your sources, what can be quite entertaining and make you discover some unknown parts of the world
(well, unless you don't like this kind of "hide and seek" stuff ofc).
You forgot to mention the role-playing part and community, which are 2 interesting points in Ryzom that can keep one's interest for a while.
About fate, you're rather right though, what's sad ;/
[quote]Originally posted by brihtwulf
[b]I bought the game when it first came out, and it didn't do much to keep my interest. So I shelved it. Recently I tried the free trial just to check back in and see what had changed and if it was a much better game than it had been, but it's not. It confuses me that this game is as high as it is on the ratings here. So here's what I noticed when I played the trial recently:
1. Very few players around.
2. The interface and controls are irritating and bothersome.
3. Harvesting is uninteresting and random. Lots of running around.
4. Quests are uninteresting and boring.
5. Combat system is weak.
[/quote]
Few players around thats true, but that makes the Ryzom community the best i've ever experienced. So actually thats a good point
The interface really isnt that hard, just need to get used to it
Harvesting is fun (well not always but mostly it is)
True no real quests in game, but that shouldnt be a real problem, make your own fun, set your own goals,...
I personnaly have no probs with the combat system, but maybe thats just personal.
I love Ryzom for a lot of things: The world is real beautiful, the skill system is the best i've seen, the community, the possibility to do whatever you like whenever you want, no instanced 'quest', great community,...
Mmmh not sure if this post makes much sence but this are just my 2 cents about it.
1) I left some weeks ago, dont know about the present population. I guess people are comming and going.
2) The UI was always ok and useful
3) The harvesting was one of the best i have ever seen. It is not random. But i admit, it can be boring for some.
4) There are no quests, just a few missions. Which do not compare to quests of WoW or EQ2
5) Agree in this point. Very few options. Combat is repetitive in every game. Sooner or later.
But Ryzom has very few skills and animations indeed. Ryzom is classless which i like. But
it lacks that players have to switch into a role in battles. Reviving is much to easy, which makes
combat again a little boring.
I posted this elsewhere, if you are looking for quests to give you a daily purpose in the game, you will not get that in Ryzom. Ryzom is much more a RPG, where if you read the lore and understand the goings on in current times, you then make your own purpose and determine your own quest.
This clearly is not for everyone.
Noin.
The funny thing about SoR is that it has enough good things to keep a loyal fanbase it seems. As far as your comments, well they are based in truth, but I wouldn't say they are canon. The interface is cumbersome unless you completely rework the UI and keymap to your preference. The skill system, while it may seem bare, is actually fairly complex especially once you learn how to make and edit your actions. I am not that high in harvesting so I cannot really comment there. Combat is slightly dull, I see it as a simplified version of DAOC, but not so simple as to allow for AFK-while-killing (ala EQ or AO etc).
Overall, it is more playable than WoW, SWG, EQ, AO, or many of the other mainstays in mmorpg.com.
Um...I just started this game and the interface is very easy to understand... I dont see any problem with it? its very customizeable which is great
Ive played Eve, WoW .etc and this is as good if not better than most of the popular mmorpgs
wqe
True. Although a little more quests to give a bit more directions would not hurt i think.
And it would be nice if Nevrax helped a bit by making it easier to do player missions or bulletin boards or something...
Harvesting is boring when you're starting out, but then it gets interesting once you have more stanza to edit your harvesting action with (e.g. gentle harmful, more time, faster quality, etc).
But then it gets boring again after a certain level when it takes forever to ding another dig level >.<
It's way better than EVE harvest, that's for sure, where you just sit your ship near a rock, set it to harvest, and go watch tv =P
well my 2 dapper
as for not many people around, I see people everywhere but I guess I dont hang about on noob island or the capitals much. most people are out doing stuff rather than hanging about. I played GW one day (never again) and the sheer amount of people actually annoyed me coz it was so impersonal. ryzom has a real sense of community.
harvesting is NOT random in any way shape or form, just guess the OP didnt understand what was being asked of him/her, every other MMO I play I miss the harvesting in ryzom, it gives you something to do at 5am whn everyone is in bed.
fighting is simplified I must admit but the classless system more than makes up for that, who wants 1 character class with 20 skills rather than 1 character who can learn everything (and trust me it would take you serious time)
quests........I admit dont even bother, it has the worst quests this side of the universe, but then again ryzom aint really a quest game.
some people gripe they cant find anything to do in this game, I just have trouble finding the time to do everything. I guess I just know where to look.
I did get dis-satisfied recently with the new content and was going to leave, but then looking around I realized there aint a game out there as fun to play
eve - spreadsheet fun
WoW - lots of kids annoying me, quest/repeat
EQ2 - couldnt get into it at all
SWG - after reading about the NGE I didnt even bother
This mmo is quite differant from most, i spend less then half my time on it skilling and leveling.
There are heaps and heaps of new players comming in atm, it depends what time you come online too. I woundnt want something like wow, just about half the people you meet you have to stick on ignore anyway.
The missions (tasks) are there but they do need to make them seem more worthwhile, eg insted of having to travel all over the place just to kill 1 pirate or whatever make it 10 or something.
The game events are awsome though and i think make up for missions easily
What exactly is it thats wrong with the intereface?
How can you say havesting is uninteresting.... in most games its click 2 buttoms, go make a sandwhich. Tell me a game with interesting harvesting?
Like everyones been saying, this game is all about its community, which i cant speak highly enough of
you wont find anything else like it, It just has a very steap learning curve and dosnt babysit you through it lik most games.
This is the most hardcore game out there, it beat competitors easily when it come to hardcoreness.
Think about it, you have to PvP in order to Raid so you can acquire the components to Tradeskill...This game was not for me and those devs are crazy (I talk better french than english), even Brad sound like a casual!
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
This game rocks! hehe It is a true RPG in my opinion. You are right there are few players around but in every MMO that I have played I spent way more time with my guild than I did with people that I saw around the planet. This game is no different. Its harder to find a pick-up group but thats ok because the only real grouping I ever did in any game was with my guild.
As for the UI I find it to be one of the better UIs of the MMO games. The UI is different than other games. The control scheme didn't suite me so I did what I always do in MMOs, I changed 90% of all the controls. The only thing I don't like about the UI is that I can't hit the / button to activate the chat box and have a slash in it so i can input a command and I can't jump. Oh and the group window gives me a headache if I am the primary healer. I think the health bars are to small and the black background on them makes it hard to see the health bar.
I think the harvesting in the game is one of the better and more interesting harvesting systems in MMOs. It is not random but yes it does require a good but of running around as do all games. I think the harvesting and crafting systems in this game are the most fun of the MMOs that I have played. I do think it sucks that new players have to run around so much to get to new areas and get the teleport tickets. I was lucky that I found and good guild and they treked me aross the entire planet when I joined so I was able to get most of the teleport tickets. I think they should allow players to teleport from the capitol cities to all the other capitol cities without having to travel there on foot. This would allow new players to get into the game more easily.
The quests are unintersting and boring. I couldnt have said it better myself. I never liked quests in MMOs because no matter what the devs do the quests will be boring and uninteresting. I have never enjoyed quests in MMOs. They just tell me to go kill something that I would be killing anyway and give me some text to read which I never read. In my opinion the real content in these games comes from the players. Until AI and NLP develops far beyond what it is now quests will always be boring and uninteresting and I will only do them when I absolutly have to.
The combat system I agree it weak but its still fun and interesting. Due to the game allowing every player to have every skill in the game the combat system has to be limited quite a bit.
For me this game is fun and one of the better MMOs that I have played. The community is great and the game is very interesting and entertaining. These games are designed to entertain a large variety of people so it can't have what every single person needs. I think the reason the game has such a low population is lack of pvp and bad marketing. Nevrax has had a lot of trouble with money and development. They have not marketing the game as much as other companies have. A majority of MMO players want a heavy and involved pvp system which is something this game lacks. The devs are know this and they are working to add pvp to the game despite the fact that most of the current players don't want pvp. I think the game will continue to get new players from this point on espeacially since SWG has pretty much kicked all of its players out of the door.
That's far from true! It really isn't that hard to find a group when youre lower lvl (although not when I mostly play (20h-2h GMT)) Use region chat, ask around, go to the zone for your level, and you will find a group pretty fast (although I do)
The game is no way boring when you are lower lvl. There is so much to learn and to see on Atys, get yourself into a good guild, look for treks to other lands... Go help defending/attacking an outpost, make friends, try to find good harvest spots, participate in RPevents,...try to make that one great axe/amp for your own,...
There really is plenty to do on Atys
The masked people and their coloring really turned me off on first glance so I did not want to give this game a try. If I don't like the way the characters look, I won't try a game. On a side note, I have the same reaction to WoW. I don't like the way the characters look/move/react.
you do know the masked dudes (zorai) are only 1 of 4 playable races yes?
other 3 dont have masks, nor are they blue
One thing I've always wondered on this game, and I got to play it for about month, is just what everybody is doing? I've read and been told so many times that there's so much to do. Not much on specifics. If it's just the community, heck I can IRC for free. Guess the monthly fee would be for the graphics? The graphics and world setting is pretty durned good.
I've heard that exploring is cool. I tried that. Got killed a lot before I got completely aggravated with it. Harvest/craft? Sure, that's kind of fun, I guess. Levelling combat skills? Well, pretty boring really. No "reason" to do it either. Although the pieces/parts/loot you get to craft into something works, I suppose -- quests would be great here to /drive/ things. As the stereotypical actor says, "What's my motivation here?"
Anyways, I understand that a lot of people love this game; I just can't figure what they're all doing that's so much fun.
Generally I'm not one to battle words on games and why or why not toplay something, but I have to with Ryzom. I have played several mainstream games and Ryzom is by far the best game I have played. Now Ryzom is not a finished or polished product by any means, but for an unfinished piece of work, it has one of the most compelling stories and gameplay I have ever been a part of. No other MMORPG gets me as immersed into the world as Ryzom. Ryzom has by far the best graphics for its sci-fi genre that really makes me feel like I am in the world, like its really living and breathing. Most worlds I have been in look okay, but are generally so rigid and have a plastic feel about them. Ryzom is Alive!
In no other MMORPG I have played can I customized my toon to whatever I want it to be, going as far down to the skills and spells I can custom tune for my character. I don't have to worry about starting up another toon if I want to do magic or crafting, because you can do anything at anytime. I also never have to worry about hanging out with friends and worrying about their levels. Generally there is always something someone can work on together to move up a few skill levels. Some will say Ryzom is a grind fest, but I tell you what, no game that I know of isn't a grind fest in one way or another. Personally I can spend alot of time doing things in Ryzom, and spread myself so thin in all the different trades. But in all teh time I spend whether or not I gain X amount of levels, I always had fun doing it. That hasn't been the case with some former MMORPG's I have played.
The community is also the best I have ever seen. I can't tell you how many times it feel so good getting into a game that people are so positive about. I spend quite a bit of time just chatting with the great people that this becomes a whole other trade in itself. The game is beautiful, the skill system and crafting options are almost limitless, the community gets a Gold Star on the MMORPG Refridgerator, its just a great game!
Ryzom is so underrated, they really are worth checking out. Try the 7 day trial, but I suggest trying it when you know you will have enough time to really test the interface, the skills, crafting and so on. There is so much to do, so plan well on the trial.
... gamer forever
"4) There are no quests, just a few missions. Which do not compare to quests of WoW or EQ2"
Anyway, the missions are fun if you use your imagination and do them in team with others for your own purposes. Like taking "gather food" missions (which few people take because they don't give as much fame as the "kill those bandits" missions), and completing them under the RP that the tribes you're doing the missions for are short on food (because, as I said, few people gather food for them). Then, voila, the missions are fun and interesting.
I hate the quests in those games. They make the game feel like a single-player adventure game, leading you by the nose. I like games that are challenging, deep, and require imagination to really enjoy. So Ryzom is the game for me. I roleplay profusely, and no other MMORPG I have tried can compare to Ryzom in terms of supportiveness of RP. It got the Best Story award for a reason.
In summary, I think Ryzom is to MMORPGs as lego bricks are to the beeping, flashing, animated "interactive" toys that fill the shelves of the childrens' sections of stores now.
Especially with Ryzom Ring coming up.
If you have a deficit of imagination and initiative, and only see 1) the grind, and 2) pre-made, spoon-fed kawntehnt ("content," the meaningless word bandied about so much) in any given game, you won't enjoy Ryzom. Sorry. And it is not my intention at all to offend anyone with that statement, it's just how things seem to be from what I've observed about what kind of players stay in Ryzom and what kind get bored and leave.
EDIT:
"Wow.. I didn't know this game ever really released as I played the beta back in the day and there was so many bugs it was silly."
Betas have bugs. That's the way it is, that's why they're called BETA. It's a time for working out bugs, it is not a time for people looking for a free ride to pop in and judge the game like it's polished and feature-complete.
'Nother EDIT:
Souvec! Hiya.
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In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on August 13, 2008.
just my 2 cents
the thing with the few people, how it was already said, this is a good point, never seen such a nice and helpful community, you get to know a huge part of the comm and get into sort of real friendship with a lot of them because you hang around with them often, mainly because it is hard to lvl alone, which is also a good point. when i compare to wow, it is possible to do all by your own, as well as eq2. when i want a singleplayer game i stay offline.
for the missions i have to agree, even if there are coming up more and more rites, missions which give rewards, the other missions are only ways to gather dappers and fame.
harvesting is all but not random, you have so many ways of creating your skills, there are different sorts of sources which have predefined behaviours. finding the best materials is a neverending challenge and there is nothing greater than harvesting in the middle of the biggest aggro mobs in the roots, while pulling out supreme mats and hoping that there will be no add.
for fighting as well, there are so many possibilities in how to build the actions and how to pay the costs.
every member of the team does his part and is useful for surviving.
what else can i say, you can have a lot of fun doing rp or by conquering an outpost, also there will be r2 soon, which gives nearly endless possibilities of creating personal quests or just enjoying the ones made by other players.
at last, the graphic is fabulous, there isn't even a handful of mmorpgs which a comparable graphic, which does'nt lag, even without a high-end computer. and the girls are banging ;P
not sure what is meant by the OP about the combat though. it'll do a default attack if i want. but um, yeah, you can totally customize EVERY action you perform. melee attack, ranged attack, spell(s), prospecting, harvesting, crafting.
i'm having issues with not getting eaten by wild dogs whilst trying to figure out how to actually find stuff when i'm prospecting. but i just upgraded my attacks, so maybe this next time i'll have better luck with them.
day 2 of playing and it's a TON more colorful and better graphics than DAOC Epic Edition (which is kinda their latest edition, since someone pointed out in another post that i probably need to get a more recent upgrade), and so far i'm around lvl 8-12 in all skills and trying to figure out if i should be specializing more and generalizing less (been learning to craft all the different things instead of picking up like new armors to make). but after i get this killing of wild dogs under control and figure out how to find better stuff with prospecting, then i'm golden!
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?