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City of Villians or Dark Age of Camelot?
Zephrith
Member Posts: 122
Well, I am new to the MMORPG genre.
Only have played 1 game that I was really into, (Gag!) Runescape.
Well, I can afford a Good Game now.
I have tried EVE, didn't like it.
Guild Wars, Don't really like PVP that much.
Final Fantasy XI, don't have a DVD drive, so I can't download it.
World of Warcraft.... too easy.
And DAoC and COV are the ones I met up with.
Things that I like:
I like PVP, but not too much of it, like you can live without it.
I really don't like tradeskills, good once and a while.
I like being in a group, commuincating.
I like hard games, but not hard that I want to gouge my eyes out.
I don't like easy games, that you can get to level 60 in a month.
I like a good character custimation, and being creative, and having a wide selection.
And that's pretty much it.
If someone could help me, that would be great.
Thanks.
Zephrith.
Comments
COH/COV has a very good character creation system. the costume customization process is the best i have ever seen in an mmo. there are millions of possibilitys to make your own unique costume. i just started this game the other day and i am already hooked on it. the first thing you do in charecter creation is pick your skin color. if you want the colors of you costume to be well coordinated just press the copy current colors button (this makes your entire costume the two colors you choose. but if you want to color each piece of you costume by your self then just choose the color you want for each piece. next step is your costume. start from the head (where you can choose things like hairstyles, mask's, helmet's, goggles, and other choices). then comes the upper body. where you can style your torso, gloves and belt. then you go onto the lower body were you choose your boots, etc. i have heard also when you get to lvl. 20 you can choose a cape and customize that.
i havent played DAoC yet so i couldn't tell you about that.
I'd just like to say that getting to lvl 60 is about 40% of the full game :P Live starts at lvl 60 ^^
And I think CoV is the best choice for you, you can do PvP but it's not needed. Crazy good character creation. Lots of teaming and the community is great in my experience
The first couple of missions might be too easy, but the higher you get the tougher missions can get. And I even think there is a difficulty slider :P
DAoC is outdated in my opinion. You cant beat the veterans since they'll all have artifact gear and buff bots by their sides.
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Only thing I have heard about DAoC is that getting in fresh is mucho-tough.
I LOVE CoV.
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I played DAOC for about a few months and currently am playing CoV, and I would suggest CoV for you probably far more. Pvp in the end for both of these is similar really, in the aspect that you can choose to whenever you want but it is not mandatory. But in DAOC, pvp usually is all that the game is about once you hit the max. CoV is probably more for you because it has very little if at all crafting, and the game is well focused on grouping. And while DAOC does also focuses on grouping mostly, CoV seems better at it because the missions you are placed in are instanced at times and make it easier to work together. While DAOC the whole game is nearly uninstanced besides dungeons where other people can come into anyway. The story behind the missions for CoV also helps really put you into the character better then DAOC felt, and in the end you might like the combat far more. And if you really want a medeval character, CoV has a longsword power set for it's scrapper melee class.
Edit: Some spelling errors
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CoV is a wonderful game. Grouping in CoV is great, PvP is a nice OPTION as long as you don't get involved in the "end game", and even then, it is more an option than in DAoC where it become mandatory.
DAoC is a decent game, but it belong to a past era. The end game in DAoC is all about RvR...which is where CoV may be heading, yet, they may understand and redirect the game.
CoV is a much faster game pace, you will do 3 or 5 fights against about 100 enemies while in DAoC you would prolly have kill 2 or 3 mobs (little exageration maybe, but barely).
CoV devs are TRYING a lot of stuff, sometime you wonder if they have any vision, but they end up with a nice product. I know I doesn't like DAoC vision, I dislike it even more than Brad Vision TM.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
DAoC rulezzzz!
DAoC has the best PvP that a fantasy RPG can offer, if you know what you're doing. It can be quite harsh on newbies but once you get past that stage it offers a far superior PvP experience to games like World of Warcraft.
CoV is really more a Player Vs. Enviroment game, although it does have PvP it is far less complex, and thus less fun.
I love CoV/CoH, there is a difficulty slider, so if you find missions too easy, you can up the difficulty to suit you. If you get both games, you get 12 character slots instead of the standard 8, and you don't pay more per month for that, just one price for both sides, hero and villain.
I like the PvP, and don't think that just because it is less complex it is less fun for everyone. It's something that you have to judge for yourself whether you like the system or not.
I have been playing since launch, if that says anything, and I haven't seen this level of communication from the devs on other MMOs (other than Earth and Beyond
)
I only played DAoC for a little bit, but it never caught me, so I gave that one up.
DAoC is much more complex and simply offers more for your monthly fees than CoV does. You have a very extensive PvE part that can keep you occupied for months but it also has a PvP System that is among the best in any MMO - and completly consensual (special PvP zones, starting from lvl 5).
Complex skill and class system, really a lot of content (been around for some years now), good character customisation and, I cant stress this enough, a very awesome PvP.
CoV is much more casual-friendly but offers little to no depth and is very very repetitive.
Most people talk about the character customisation and I agree it is very nicely done - but if you think about it you should get suspicious...why all the talk about char customisation? Exactly, because the rest of game is lacking in many many aspects (no crafting/economy, only very few innovative content and extremly repetitive- mostly running the same type of mission over and over, only medicore PvP system).
Yet it certainly does appeal to a certain type of player - generally those looking for instant action without the will or patience to invest time in character advancement/developement. DAoC has greatly improved in these aspects and has a lot of different things to offer to keep you entertained. The feeling of achievement is much bigger in DAoC than in CoV, imho. Although, of course, it takes more time and is probably more complicated.
DAoC is very harsh and enforce a LOT of bad things you doesn't want to do.
Offering something is good, enforcing it is...tasteless. Beware, those folks may promote DAoC, but you should really play Saga of Ryzom rather than DAoC, it is the same logic but to a much deeper extend, for the real dedicated players. DAoC belong to a past era honestly, if you prefer DAoC over CoV from what you read, than head to Saga of Ryzom and give them a boogy for me, the same logic is used to the full extend...it is nice, but not for me. Not at all.
And graphics-wise...both CoV and SoR outmatch this old game named DAoC...as a new player I doesn't think it would be wise to recommend you to start this old game.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
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Just wondering.
Do you need to get City of Villans and City of Heroes? Or is CoV stand-alone? (Because I like to be evil, but don't want to spend too much money on being evil
)
Also, do you think this could run with 256 MB of RAM, and a Intel Graphics Card (I'll post System Requirements later.) with minumal, or average lag?
Thanks,
Zephrith
So, your saying there is no way to play CoV? Even if I have a Cable Modem? Without buying a Graphics Card?
Darn, was looking forward to this game...
Is this a DVD-ROM anyway?
I may buy a graphics card for this one.
Is your computer really old or comparatively new?
You really should give your specs...[ you can go to Start up menu ---> run ---> (type) dxdiag ]
The "system" tab will give most of your general information and the "Display" tab will give your graphics card type...
I'm saying this, because I was able to play COH with a integrated Geforce 4 MX graphics card, which is comparative to the Geforce 2 series... I've never played COV though... But just saying that, incase it helps any... Because if u had like the Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 (GMA 900), I think it would work... It's one of the worser graphics card out there, but I'm pretty sure it's still much better than the Geforce 4 MX that I used to have...But if u have just a regular Intel Integrated Graphics, then by all means, you'll need a new graphics card I believe...
CoV / CoH are great games, and with one monthly fee you get both. If you system is getting a bit long in the tooth however, you will have to really dial down the graphics on CoV especially.
I haven't played DoAC, but it's been out for some time so it may be older computer friendly.
Something that hasn't been touched on too much yet, is that Cryptic is as solid a MMO developer as you'll ever be likely to see. They have a passion for their game, and fun is what drives their decisions. They could have easily charged an extra subscription for CoV and been successful I believe. The fact they didn't, and that content updates are substancial and well tested in the end make a MMO so much more enjoyable.
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Timberland - CoV
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Hayden Marks - GW
Ranor - Auto Assualt Beta
Everett Marks - PotBs (on release)
CoH/CoV is not an RPG, many try to make it one but it is not. You want to jump on have some fun for a few hours and make a character look the way you want and have some cool powers then its for you. I have played a hero to the 50 cap and a villain to the 40 cap. It is fun but if you are looking for an immersive world to live in this is not really it. I have met freinds and had some great times and I like to play still and have many heros and villains but really it is just and adventure game that is fun until you bored with it. Every time I want to quit there is just enough in the updates to keep me around just a little longer - most likely the next thing will be raising the level for villains and new content so need to check that out. They know how to string you along.
There are offers for free trials out there from time to time.
---MMO EXPERIENCE:---
WoW - 06-2006 to current
COV - 40 Corruptor - 10-2005 to 04-2006
COH - 50 Scrapper - 04-2004 to 04-2006
EQ2 - 35 Barb Berserker - 12-2004 to 04-2005
EQ1 - 55 Barb Warrior - 2000, 2001
Tried: DaoC, DDO, Auto Assault, SWG, Lineage II
I have played both games. I stopped playing DAoC about a month after they launched their ToA expansion, and the game has changed quite a bit since than. I currently still playing CoH/CoV, but will not be reactivating my account cause I find it very boring, and extremely easy.
Things that that you said you liked:
I like PVP, but not too much of it, like you can live without it.
DAoC, the end game is RvR which is PvP but at a higher lvl. 3 different factions; Albion, Hibernia, Midgard fighting against each other. The good thing is that DAoC has specific servers, some are just PvE, Classic server, full blown PvP, and the normal RvR servers. The battles are keep oriented.
PvP in coh/v is optional, but it doesn't offer no where near the competivness of DAoC. I find it lacking, and very easy.
I really don't like tradeskills, good once and a while.
DAoC has a ton of tradeskills that require a large amount of time to max out.
CoH/v has no loot and no tradeskills.
I like being in a group, commuincating.
Both games can offer this.
I like hard games, but not hard that I want to gouge my eyes out.
DAoC is game that will take you awhile to get 50 and max out your character with the best gear. Its a huge grind. I don't think I'll be able to do that again.
CoH lvl progression is not hard at all. Depends on your hero type, but its nothing that a group will not solve. lvl 1 -50 can be done about 10x faster than DAoC.
I don't like easy games, that you can get to level 60 in a month.
Like I said DAoC take awhile to get to the cap, CoH not so long. DAoC offers a lot more in regards to pve and pvp than CoH does. If you reach lvl 40 for villians, all you have left to do is more missions, and the PvP. Heros cap at 50 atm and have the option of taken down Hami, but no one does anymore because its boring and half the time people don't listen.
I like a good character custimation, and being creative, and having a wide selection.
DAoC upgrading their character customization with one of their expansion, however, it doesn't come close to the character creater that coh/v has implemented.
Hope this helps.
Imo DAoC is the best overall MMORPG on the market. Great PVE, great PVP, lots of fun to play solo or grouped.
That said, from what the OP stated I think CoV is probably more his speed. It has insane character customization (the best of any game on the market by a wide margin), there is no crafting whatseover, and the battles are fast paced and exciting.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
I never paid any subscribtion to DAoC...
I am currently subscribing to CoV, they shaft me less with those IoP and hopefully they will arrange it to not shaft PvEers at all soon. DAoC has Gaheris that doesn't shaft PvEers, but then Gaheris is ToA
Raiding trash.
CoV for president! (or DDO)
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
COV is a great game, you dont have to worry about economics, people besting you with uber guns or super armor, you can create a bunch of characters on the same server, the character creation process is the best ive come across.
COV/COH is really about two things ... group mechanics, and PVP... the dungeon mechanics ( by this i mean group combat mechanics) are amongst the best ive come across yet in an MMORPG, and although i come from a heavy 1v1 PVP background in SWG i havent been PVP'ing in this game much, but from what ive gathered thus far .. the PVP'ers in COV are VERY serious ... i mean the kind of serious where you will see arguments on the forums over .03% damage values on moves ect.
so if you want to buy a game where you can jump right into the fray, and enjoy great group mechanics and pvp, as well as make a truely unique character, skills wise AND appearence wise ... choose this game ....
but again .. no crafting .. for me .. this is refreshing as i dont have to worry about in-game currency for once! .... also this means veterans wont be kicking your butt with UBER equipment off the bat ... its all about levels .....
but for some ... it may be a negative thing ... sure people will hang around and chat about games or movies ... but you wont see people decorating houses or hanging out in player cities, or collecting items, you wont see people gathering in public places looking to sell things or buy things ... sometimes these community mechanics can and will be missed ...
but the most important thing .. is the developers on this game i think genuinly want the game to suceed, and CARE about making a name for themselves amongst the players .... something as an ex everquestII/starwar galaxies player i can appreciate .. sony just didnt seem to care at all about people as long as the $$ rolled in ....
I've played COH and DAoC, so I will tell you what I know. DAOC revolves around their PvP, which is optional. Everyone is in a rush pretty much to 50 so they can participate in the end game RvR. In COH you are more focused on doing repetitive missions.
Tradeskills are an option in DAoC, but not required and most don't take them up. There are plenty of people with tradeskills to create player made things though. In COH you do not have the option to use a tradeskill.
In DAoC on their Classic servers you can find a group fairly easy. Grouping is a blast and the classes are balanced in a way to have their own roles in a group. In COH grouping is fun also, but in my experience the community was immature and annoying so I didn't group them much.
In DAoC the game isn't hard at all. They have simplified the game since Catacombs came out a year ago. Now anyone with it can get max level fairly quickly. I found COH to be hard after lvl 8 or so since you could hardly solo anything without getting killed. You were pretty muched forced to group after lvl 8, hence being forced to group with immature kids a lot. The grind is exceedingly slow for the amount of reward. I like slow grinding, but not when you gain a level and get nothing for it.
In DAoC you can get to max level under a month if you work for it. In COH I couldn't reach max level in a month. The grind in COH is long and boring. It is boring because you do the same missions over and over again, hence why people say it is repetitive.
DAoC has good character creation customization as does COH, but COH's is better. However, once in-game your skill customization and character development is far better in DAoC than in COH.
Both games require you to have decent memory. 512mb is even low for the two games. In DAoC the graphics update in Catacombs, which is arguably the best looking game (graphically), recommends 1gig of memory. I'm not sure about COH.
From reading your wants in a game, neither one of them seem to fit your description, but both fill in some parts of the description here and there. Both games are newb friendly from what I've seen, so don't worry about that.