Hey OP! Two days ago you already claimed the game was crap and bragged about getting a full refund.
"I used the Early Access Key, realised it was still shit like the beta and got a full refund."
Was this post necessary? You did not pay for it, it is not EVE, just move on.
Awkward.
Some folks just can't let it go and move on, ESO isn't the game they were looking for so they will crusade against it relentlessly until the next target comes along.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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So... what exactly did you expect the game to consist of for content? Have you ever played any TES game before? They certainly didnt have some mind blowing innovative system of never before seen types of things to do. You ran around, killed stuff, collected stuff, talked to people, etc. Same thing you do in basically any RPG, MMO or not. WoW did not invent this system.
Everything is laid out pretty much like it is in any TES game except that things are level based, rather than auto-scaled to your own character's level. Why does it seem to surprise and anger so many people that the same types of quests that have always existed in TES were also added to the MMO version?
Originally posted by andreawales The game is great , go play something else if you don't like it , instead of whining about it on here
Of course it must be great its Elder Scrolls !!! it dosnt matter it is copy&paste from other mmos. Swtor had same opinions. ..
Hype is also high for this game but lets wait few weeks... and then we will talk..
I can understand whiners to be in the forums whining about a game they don't play or don't play anymore. But fanboys shouldn't be in game and play already? What are they doing here?
I've always found people who complain about other people who complain on the internet to be pretty funny. As i said in another thread, the net is a pool of negativity and vile behaviour (you see this in online games too). But instead of actually just ignoring them and focusing on threads with actuall discussion material, the fans of any game will jump on any troll with post after post after post, causing the thread to grow.
But it's fine with me. This is why i love mmorpg launches. The fanboys and haters fighting each other in good old fashioned forum pvp is highly entertaining when you don't have games to play.
Originally posted by andreawales The game is great , go play something else if you don't like it , instead of whining about it on here
Of course it must be great its Elder Scrolls !!! it dosnt matter it is copy&paste from other mmos. Swtor had same opinions. ..
Hype is also high for this game but lets wait few weeks... and then we will talk..
I can understand whiners to be in the forums whining about a game they don't play or don't play anymore. But fanboys shouldn't be in game and play already? What are they doing here?
I've always found people who complain about other people who complain on the internet to be pretty funny. As i said in another thread, the net is a pool of negativity and vile behaviour (you see this in online games too). But instead of actually just ignoring them and focusing on threads with actuall discussion material, the fans of any game will jump on any troll with post after post after post, causing the thread to grow.
But it's fine with me. This is why i love mmorpg launches. The fanboys and haters fighting each other in good old fashioned forum pvp is highly entertaining when you don't have games to play.
I agree, just give ESO a month and you will see a huge player drop, this is what happends to games like this, it usual takes about a month for people to realize they were wrong and that suddently the game is total garbage.
All i can say, i enjoy Teso alot, it is finaly a real MMO"RPG" again in the style of Everquest 1+2, Vanilla/BC WoW.
Zenimax had the guts to make a RPG game and not one of those many CoD shooting style games with a fantasy setting out there. I'm so sick of people just wanting this fast paced shooting game style and try to make every mmo that way with their nerd rage and baby whining.
Just go play GW2, Neverwinter, or just go back to your mega porn modded Skyrim, D3 or CoD and leave the MMO's alone if they bore you.
All i can say, i enjoy Teso alot, it is finaly a real MMO"RPG" again in the style of Everquest 1+2, Vanilla/BC WoW.
Zenimax had the guts to make a RPG game and not one of those many CoD shooting style games with a fantasy setting out there. I'm so sick of people just wanting this fast paced shooting game style and try to make every mmo that way with their nerd rage and baby whining.
Just go play GW2, Neverwinter, or just go back to your mega porn modded Skyrim, D3 or CoD and leave the MMO's alone if they bore you.
Sry to disappoint you but TESO has absolutely nothing to do either to the EQ1-2 or Vanilla WoW. Nothing at all.
Originally posted by andreawales The game is great , go play something else if you don't like it , instead of whining about it on here
Of course it must be great its Elder Scrolls !!! it dosnt matter it is copy&paste from other mmos. Swtor had same opinions. ..
Hype is also high for this game but lets wait few weeks... and then we will talk..
Just because it has quests? I am not sure how it is copy and paste...this game could not be further from SWTOR as far as the world and AI go. It is one of the most immersive MMOs I have played in 10 years.
The AI and interaction from the NPCs alone make this game immersive. SWTOR feels dead, the majority of the NPCs you see in the cities are static, they just stand there and you cannot interact with them. In ESO the NPCs greet you just because you are near them, without you even clicking on them, and almost every single NPC will talk to you when you click on them. I lose track of time just interacting with the NPCs, exploring (getting lost) and crafting. If you choose to just go from quest hub to quest hub, you are choosing to ignore the rich, alive, and extremely immersive world they have built.
To each his own, I'm loving the game. It's now 5:25am where I live and I haven't gone to bed. Just played in Cyrodiil for 3 hours straight, took forts, stole an elder scroll, zerged with 100 people, fought many small pocket fights while questing, solo killed a few people and died a hundred times, etc.. It's an amazing game.
Before PvP I played 5 hours in PvE, had a great time there too. Games aren't going to be for everybody, I find myself saying this every single MMO launch. There are people that swear GW2 sucks and all, yet it's hopping with players and WvW is full every reset weekend. I'm spending most of my time here in ESO now and absolutely loving it.
It is just so bland and boring, you're doing the same things you do in every other MMO and it just feels like an MMO in that the engine is dated and physics aren't there. What I mean is to do anything you just click e and wait until it says complete and this is something all MMOs do. There is a massive disconnect between you and the world, I mean I had to put out houses that were on fire and to do so I ran over to a load of buckets, pressed E and waiting until it said I picked one up, then I ran over to a few houses and put them all out by pressing E and with only one bucket! Then I went inside and pressed E to speak to someone and they ran out all by themselves and vanished... typical WoW like MMO quest tbh.
Most of the quests I've come across are bugged, I'm currently stuck on an Island (which I'm guessing was the starter island?) and I cannot get off, I've logged, restarted my PC and tried everything, but I'm still stuck here. http://s27.postimg.org/oiljxenoj/Screenshot_20140404_083757.jpg
Most of the quests are boring too, all I'm doing is running from person to person pressing E, running to dungeons, killing a few NPCs to get some loot to run back and give it tot hat NPC. Then there are quests all around which are chain like and meant to be story based, yet all you're doing is running to loot with NPCs in the way that you have to kill Or having to run to several key locations, pressing E and running back to speak to the NPC.
Typical WoW like MMO stuff that I got bored of many years ago and the world is just as linear, the character progression is just as linear, I just feel like I'm being funnelled through like some themepark MMO. The Elder Scrolls has always been a sandbox, it has always had far more interesting quests, had freedom with character progression and it has had a world. The Elder Scrolls Online lacks that world feeling, I just feel like I'm on a series of maps and the biggest problem with that is zone transitions and how it is always talk to an NPC and get warped there. Why isn't there a boat I can ride on to make it feel like a world? Why isn't the land just one big mass that I can travel around seamlessly if I want? The other thing that annoys me which I give the Single Player game a free pass on is the loading screens, I dunno why but in MMOs I just hate them. So many of them are pointless too like the very first one in the jail cell.... just open the door and let me run out, why did we need a loading screen for that?
The combat is really awkward too, I mean more so than The Elder Scrolls games usually are and I'm surprised that they didn't try to make it more PVP friendly like Mount and Blade or something. I have no idea why they bothered to add PVP really with the state it is in, basically unplayable in third person and first person just feels too cumbersome. Usually it just comes down to standing there and hitting them over and over, just feel like I cannot be bothered with dodging and all that as it is all so clumsy. You can tell it has the MMO still in the combat because it isn't truely one to one, just feels off or the hitboxes are just very bad. What is up with the frigging animations? The character models as well, just see the polygons the poly count is so low, made even worse with how my character runs in third person... looks very odd.
Just a very bland game that didn't need to exist, in no way do I feel like I'm in Tamriel, this living breathing world with thousands of other people. So I have to question what the point of it is, because that is why this MMO should exist, to give us this online world to live in with friends. Otherwise we can just play the SIngle Player games, but sadly this does feel like a Single Player game with the worst parts of MMOs thrown in... I've not been encouraged to group once, I've not see any one else group....
It is a themepark and not a Sandbox like it should have been, the exactly reason why LOTRO failed too, it should have been Middle Earth Online, not a linear path through the game.
I stopped reading after bland and boring. Bye bye now, hope you find a game you like!
It is a themepark and not a Sandbox like it should have been, the exactly reason why LOTRO failed too, it should have been Middle Earth Online, not a linear path through the game.
Thing is, what did you expect when you put the one of the most unimaginative and incompetent Director in the videogaming world? Yes, I'm talking about Matt Firor - AKA the co-creator of non-PvP for the easymode crowd (also known as MOBA in an instance), and perpetrator of the coup-de-grace to DAOC, which in spite of having the dubious honor of being the firstly true MMORPG for easymode casuals, it must be said that had its merits.
A guy that conceives an MMORPG as a collection of bullet-points that are nothing more that the same used and tried elements since post-vanilla WoW, a booster of the idea that MMORPG elements must be a collection of quarantined and disintegrated elements so everyone can play safe, whose idea of PvP is a MOBA in a separated battleground, a proposer of the notion that every player must be a chosen one whose story is dictated by the devs as a good idea. Pure McDonalds and casual mediocrity in all its splendor - no wonder the guy is obese and just babbles about corporate PR standards in his interviews (except his glorious and self-defining "it's too difficult!". Such a clear declaration of intentions!!). In any case, the kind of Project Director that would design products for the sophisticated and complex taste of Homer Simpson, hehe.
We need developers and investors that are visionaries, brave and committed with their principles and public. And no, CCP is not enough.
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Lotro failed ????? what planet have you been living on dude ... Lotro has been and still is one of the most successful Mmo's ever .... like trolling much ? sheesh
Would you care to explain that part?
I have never heard of LOTRO being a great success.
It was not my taste, so I do not play it. I'm sure there's enough paying since the game hasn't been shut down yet.
But I don't see LOTRO to be a really successfull game.
But maybe I am blinded about the successor of all MMO's - WoW. No one are still near their subscriptions.
Though ESO might be, for the only reason that it also comes out for PS4 and XO.
Its obvious to anyone with half a brain that Lotro was a success ( unless of course you listen to the Wow crowd of course )
Also making a stupid statement that Lotro failed is just blatant trolling ...
Its hard to take the OP and everyone that agrees with them seriously, because no matter what the game is they will say the same thing about it, oldest trick in the book, probably didn't even play the game didn't seem like they did anyway. Why don't you go play a game you like instead of making up points that are horribly inaccurate? Or do you just hate every game ? That must be it. Go troll elsewhere, better yet, go try to make an mmo and see how far you get.
Its obvious to anyone with half a brain that Lotro was a success ( unless of course you listen to the Wow fanboys of course )
Also making a stupid statement that Lotro failed is just blatant trolling ...
Nah Lotro was a failure. It failed to deliver on how epic the game SHOULD have been. Just like ESO is.
The initial release and free updates the first year were pretty good. Moria was not so great. Many loved it and by comparison to the other trash expansions they have delivered it was the best. But that just shows how they have dumbed down and made the game a shell of what a Lotr/Middle Earth game should have been.
The things they got right were the cosmetics, the music system, and the maps (although the maps could have been even better but the tech is so dated theyre doing the best they can).
Now Lotro is a cookie cuter F2P game that anyone can get into and feel like a god in after just a few shot minutes. It offers no challenges other than puttng in a couple hours or spending a few bucks to get an insta level 50 or 60 (cant remember) item.
I have been around Lotro a long time, have a couple lifetime accounts and in no way shape or form would I constitute it as a success. Is it making a profit? Probably. Is it releasing quality in depth content befitting the IP? Not even close.
The real Lotro fans have hoped and prayed Turbine would lose the license for a long time so someone could deliver a product befitting the name. But at this stage and with WB involved that is unlikely not to mention to have one come out before we are all dead would mean it would have to be done somewhere just waiting to be released. Which also isnt likely.
Originally posted by ckeeton999 Its hard to take the OP and everyone that agrees with them seriously, because no matter what the game is they will say the same thing about it, oldest trick in the book, probably didn't even play the game didn't seem like they did anyway. Why don't you go play a game you like instead of making up points that are horribly inaccurate? Or do you just hate every game ? That must be it. Go troll elsewhere, better yet, go try to make an mmo and see how far you get.
Honestly, I am glad so many people claim to like it. I hope it is wildly successful. Competition breeds innovation, and this genre really needs that. I, personally, found it bland and unengaging. Played in 4 beta weekends. Each time, I kept trying to find excuses to log in as I was not having fun. I play SWTOR regularly, so I have no problem with the themepark. SWTOR makes me feel like a part of the game. Unfortunately, ESO did not do the same for me.
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That's what happens when you set out to make a DAoC clone, and 3/4 of the way through development you realize that you need to shoehorn in at least some elements from your chosen IP's previous games. The game simply just should not have been an ES game. It still doesn't make any sense to me how in the hell this game happened.
I get it, they're made up of ex DAoC devs and they stuck to what they know, that's fine. But, why in the hell did Zennimax choose them, and their style of MMO, for an ES MMO? This should have been THE PVE MMO, instead they made a PVP game with half-assed linear PVE wrapped around it.
I agree with this, because when you attached the ES name, you attached loads of unrealistic expectations that ESO just does not live up to.
Its hard to take the OP and everyone that agrees with them seriously, because no matter what the game is they will say the same thing about it, oldest trick in the book, probably didn't even play the game didn't seem like they did anyway. Why don't you go play a game you like instead of making up points that are horribly inaccurate? Or do you just hate every game ? That must be it. Go troll elsewhere, better yet, go try to make an mmo and see how far you get.
I think supporters of this game havent played a game that feels like large virtual worlds (eq1, SWG, even Darkfall). Streamlined no risk vs reward boredom. There may be hope for some shallow pvp fun and possibly above average crafting but the PvE world is just so bland run of the mill.
I couldn't disagree more. I love how this game feels compared to the rest of the fantasy hotbar MMOs I've grown sick of. Doesn't feel as hub based because you can wander off and find quests everywhere, and rather than picking up 5 quests at once in the hubs that exist, you start a chain that lasts 5 quests. Combat is fun to me as well, you have to think and react to the mobs and the lack of skill cooldowns means you're actually watching the fight rather than an action bar so as to get your rotation out efficiently. I'm also digging the breadth of options there are in developing your character while leveling. The game feels fresh to me, there's very little about it that feels like I've done it all before. Quests are really fun too. No more kill 10 if x or fetch 10 of y, there's a purpose to what you're doing every step or the way, providing you don't just click through.
to OP: i didnt read your post cause there was a beta to see the game which was open to everyone and you bought it.
the feeling of pressure cause it was in beta, remains cause it is in subscription, so i dont see any reason why you bought this game although all the mediocre critics and the fact that even in beta you didnt had fun ...
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Awkward.
Some folks just can't let it go and move on, ESO isn't the game they were looking for so they will crusade against it relentlessly until the next target comes along.
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So... what exactly did you expect the game to consist of for content? Have you ever played any TES game before? They certainly didnt have some mind blowing innovative system of never before seen types of things to do. You ran around, killed stuff, collected stuff, talked to people, etc. Same thing you do in basically any RPG, MMO or not. WoW did not invent this system.
Everything is laid out pretty much like it is in any TES game except that things are level based, rather than auto-scaled to your own character's level. Why does it seem to surprise and anger so many people that the same types of quests that have always existed in TES were also added to the MMO version?
I've always found people who complain about other people who complain on the internet to be pretty funny. As i said in another thread, the net is a pool of negativity and vile behaviour (you see this in online games too). But instead of actually just ignoring them and focusing on threads with actuall discussion material, the fans of any game will jump on any troll with post after post after post, causing the thread to grow.
But it's fine with me. This is why i love mmorpg launches. The fanboys and haters fighting each other in good old fashioned forum pvp is highly entertaining when you don't have games to play.
I agree, just give ESO a month and you will see a huge player drop, this is what happends to games like this, it usual takes about a month for people to realize they were wrong and that suddently the game is total garbage.
All i can say, i enjoy Teso alot, it is finaly a real MMO"RPG" again in the style of Everquest 1+2, Vanilla/BC WoW.
Zenimax had the guts to make a RPG game and not one of those many CoD shooting style games with a fantasy setting out there. I'm so sick of people just wanting this fast paced shooting game style and try to make every mmo that way with their nerd rage and baby whining.
Just go play GW2, Neverwinter, or just go back to your mega porn modded Skyrim, D3 or CoD and leave the MMO's alone if they bore you.
I'm having a blast in ESO. Love it. If you're leaving can I have your stuff?
lol - I had to...
Sry to disappoint you but TESO has absolutely nothing to do either to the EQ1-2 or Vanilla WoW. Nothing at all.
Yay, good for you. Opinions... woot!
Just because it has quests? I am not sure how it is copy and paste...this game could not be further from SWTOR as far as the world and AI go. It is one of the most immersive MMOs I have played in 10 years.
The AI and interaction from the NPCs alone make this game immersive. SWTOR feels dead, the majority of the NPCs you see in the cities are static, they just stand there and you cannot interact with them. In ESO the NPCs greet you just because you are near them, without you even clicking on them, and almost every single NPC will talk to you when you click on them. I lose track of time just interacting with the NPCs, exploring (getting lost) and crafting. If you choose to just go from quest hub to quest hub, you are choosing to ignore the rich, alive, and extremely immersive world they have built.
To each his own, I'm loving the game. It's now 5:25am where I live and I haven't gone to bed. Just played in Cyrodiil for 3 hours straight, took forts, stole an elder scroll, zerged with 100 people, fought many small pocket fights while questing, solo killed a few people and died a hundred times, etc.. It's an amazing game.
Before PvP I played 5 hours in PvE, had a great time there too. Games aren't going to be for everybody, I find myself saying this every single MMO launch. There are people that swear GW2 sucks and all, yet it's hopping with players and WvW is full every reset weekend. I'm spending most of my time here in ESO now and absolutely loving it.
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I stopped reading after bland and boring. Bye bye now, hope you find a game you like!
Lotro was a great game until the first expansion.
But you quoted it all. Thanks for posting!
This is a great game because
1. you can easier raid with your clan
2. you can fight other Clans
3. you can wipe other Clans, while fighting 100v100
(massive blob ftw<3)
4. you will find this game extremely booring without
a) a structured Community that fight to win<3
b) a Community that wanna be the top and an Alliance that wanna be top so they structure Everything up
or well just play with Epic strong clan switch here there if its get over populated and kill Everything
that is what DW will do... 
(if you play solo like i Think 3/4 of the whiners in this post yes, booring game, try to get some friends)
You could see this coming from miles.
Thing is, what did you expect when you put the one of the most unimaginative and incompetent Director in the videogaming world? Yes, I'm talking about Matt Firor - AKA the co-creator of non-PvP for the easymode crowd (also known as MOBA in an instance), and perpetrator of the coup-de-grace to DAOC, which in spite of having the dubious honor of being the firstly true MMORPG for easymode casuals, it must be said that had its merits.
A guy that conceives an MMORPG as a collection of bullet-points that are nothing more that the same used and tried elements since post-vanilla WoW, a booster of the idea that MMORPG elements must be a collection of quarantined and disintegrated elements so everyone can play safe, whose idea of PvP is a MOBA in a separated battleground, a proposer of the notion that every player must be a chosen one whose story is dictated by the devs as a good idea. Pure McDonalds and casual mediocrity in all its splendor - no wonder the guy is obese and just babbles about corporate PR standards in his interviews (except his glorious and self-defining "it's too difficult!". Such a clear declaration of intentions!!). In any case, the kind of Project Director that would design products for the sophisticated and complex taste of Homer Simpson, hehe.
We need developers and investors that are visionaries, brave and committed with their principles and public. And no, CCP is not enough.
Roleplayers, wake up and demand what rightfully belongs to you!! Death to mediocrity!! Death to common places!!
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Its obvious to anyone with half a brain that Lotro was a success ( unless of course you listen to the Wow crowd of course )
Also making a stupid statement that Lotro failed is just blatant trolling ...
Nah Lotro was a failure. It failed to deliver on how epic the game SHOULD have been. Just like ESO is.
The initial release and free updates the first year were pretty good. Moria was not so great. Many loved it and by comparison to the other trash expansions they have delivered it was the best. But that just shows how they have dumbed down and made the game a shell of what a Lotr/Middle Earth game should have been.
The things they got right were the cosmetics, the music system, and the maps (although the maps could have been even better but the tech is so dated theyre doing the best they can).
Now Lotro is a cookie cuter F2P game that anyone can get into and feel like a god in after just a few shot minutes. It offers no challenges other than puttng in a couple hours or spending a few bucks to get an insta level 50 or 60 (cant remember) item.
I have been around Lotro a long time, have a couple lifetime accounts and in no way shape or form would I constitute it as a success. Is it making a profit? Probably. Is it releasing quality in depth content befitting the IP? Not even close.
The real Lotro fans have hoped and prayed Turbine would lose the license for a long time so someone could deliver a product befitting the name. But at this stage and with WB involved that is unlikely not to mention to have one come out before we are all dead would mean it would have to be done somewhere just waiting to be released. Which also isnt likely.
Honestly, I am glad so many people claim to like it. I hope it is wildly successful. Competition breeds innovation, and this genre really needs that. I, personally, found it bland and unengaging. Played in 4 beta weekends. Each time, I kept trying to find excuses to log in as I was not having fun. I play SWTOR regularly, so I have no problem with the themepark. SWTOR makes me feel like a part of the game. Unfortunately, ESO did not do the same for me.
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I agree with this, because when you attached the ES name, you attached loads of unrealistic expectations that ESO just does not live up to.
I think supporters of this game havent played a game that feels like large virtual worlds (eq1, SWG, even Darkfall). Streamlined no risk vs reward boredom. There may be hope for some shallow pvp fun and possibly above average crafting but the PvE world is just so bland run of the mill.Quests are really fun too. No more kill 10 if x or fetch 10 of y, there's a purpose to what you're doing every step or the way, providing you don't just click through.
to OP: i didnt read your post cause there was a beta to see the game which was open to everyone and you bought it.
the feeling of pressure cause it was in beta, remains cause it is in subscription, so i dont see any reason why you bought this game although all the mediocre critics and the fact that even in beta you didnt had fun ...