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To purchase or not to purchase ESO ? Some things to consider

BattlerockBattlerock Member CommonPosts: 1,393

I'd hold off, it looks like f2p is immanent and it's overall being rejected by consumers.  

They may try to hold off on f2p until console launch, but it's going to be heavily rejected by console players no doubt if even pc gamers are rejecting it.

MMORPG's struggle on consoles to begin with so that's two indicators that a f2p or move to buy to play will occur.

Buy to play makes sense - console players already pay a sub fee to play on the psn or xblive networks.

It won't be long and people will see ESO for what it really is, a single player leveling experience with 3 faction pvp multiplayer tacked on as endgame.

Only a stubborn developer would continue to charge a sub fee for a  single player leveling experience with multiplayer tacked on. 

Console players expect to be able to play multiplayer with their psn or xblive sub fee, a reasonable $5 a month opens up mostly all multiplayer games. 

Even though I would like buy to play - f2p makes the most sense, that way the console and pc versions can maintain the same business models.

People will come on here and say it will never go f2p or buy to play, but they are clearly wrong and are only trying to delay the innevitable. Watch the game, compare the game, and ask yourself what about this game warrants a sub fee? A single player leveling experience? or the multiplayer 3 faction pvp? If you say either one of those, you need merely to look at the compettition to realize neither one of those aspects warrants a sub fee.

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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Originally posted by Battlerock

    I'd hold off, it looks like f2p is immanent and it's overall being rejected by consumers.  

    They may try to hold off on f2p until console launch, but it's going to be heavily rejected by console players no doubt if even pc gamers are rejecting it.

    MMORPG's struggle on consoles to begin with so that's two indicators that a f2p or move to buy to play will occur.

    Buy to play makes sense - console players already pay a sub fee to play on the psn or xblive networks.

    It won't be long and people will see ESO for what it really is, a single player leveling experience with 3 faction pvp multiplayer tacked on as endgame.

    Only a stubborn developer would continue to charge a sub fee for a  single player leveling experience with multiplayer tacked on. 

    Console players expect to be able to play multiplayer with their psn or xblive sub fee, a reasonable $5 a month opens up mostly all multiplayer games. 

    Even though I would like buy to play - f2p makes the most sense, that way the console and pc versions can maintain the same business models.

    People will come on here and say it will never go f2p or buy to play, but they are clearly wrong and are only trying to delay the innevitable. Watch the game, compare the game, and ask yourself what about this game warrants a sub fee? A single player leveling experience? or the multiplayer 3 faction pvp? If you say either one of those, you need merely to look at the compettition to realize neither one of those aspects warrants a sub fee.

    Wow, where did you get all your statistical information from? I love the part where you outlined how many subscribers they have right now and how their subscriber-base has decreased month-over-month. It really is a telling story! You're completely right. The numbers don't lie, they are definitely going to have to do f2p. 

     

    P.S. if your sarcasm detertor is turned off today, please try to support your argument with something logical other than "I saw that some people hate this, therefore everyone hate this." This is possibly the most unintelligent argument ever. 

    Crazkanuk

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  • Kayo45Kayo45 Member Posts: 293

    TL;DR: Some things to consider ... I dont like paying one fee to get everything in the game through gameplay. Id rather buy stuff on a cash shop and have it mailed to me.

     

    .... ok gotcha ... thanks. Do us a favor and just put it on the title next time. Easier to avoid.

    P.S For the record, you dont need ps+ to play this game. If you bought an Xbone then you obviously just love throwing money away so it shouldnt be a problem.

  • BattlerockBattlerock Member CommonPosts: 1,393

    Originally posted by CrazKanuk

    Originally posted by Battlerock

    I'd hold off, it looks like f2p is immanent and it's overall being rejected by consumers.  

    They may try to hold off on f2p until console launch, but it's going to be heavily rejected by console players no doubt if even pc gamers are rejecting it.

    MMORPG's struggle on consoles to begin with so that's two indicators that a f2p or move to buy to play will occur.

    Buy to play makes sense - console players already pay a sub fee to play on the psn or xblive networks.

    It won't be long and people will see ESO for what it really is, a single player leveling experience with 3 faction pvp multiplayer tacked on as endgame.

    Only a stubborn developer would continue to charge a sub fee for a  single player leveling experience with multiplayer tacked on. 

    Console players expect to be able to play multiplayer with their psn or xblive sub fee, a reasonable $5 a month opens up mostly all multiplayer games. 

    Even though I would like buy to play - f2p makes the most sense, that way the console and pc versions can maintain the same business models.

    People will come on here and say it will never go f2p or buy to play, but they are clearly wrong and are only trying to delay the innevitable. Watch the game, compare the game, and ask yourself what about this game warrants a sub fee? A single player leveling experience? or the multiplayer 3 faction pvp? If you say either one of those, you need merely to look at the compettition to realize neither one of those aspects warrants a sub fee.

    Wow, where did you get all your statistical information from? I love the part where you outlined how many subscribers they have right now and how their subscriber-base has decreased month-over-month. It really is a telling story! You're completely right. The numbers don't lie, they are definitely going to have to do f2p. 

     

    P.S. if your sarcasm detertor is turned off today, please try to support your argument with something logical other than "I saw that some people hate this, therefore everyone hate this." This is possibly the most unintelligent argument ever. 

    Originally posted by Kayo45

    TL;DR: Some things to consider ... I dont like paying one fee to get everything in the game through gameplay. Id rather buy stuff on a cash shop and have it mailed to me.

     

    .... ok gotcha ... thanks. Do us a favor and just put it on the title next time. Easier to avoid.

     

    There are indicators of the stats and I'm not going to follow up with you're request because I'm not going to spend all day arguing.

    You're both missing the point. I wasn't saying I would rather it be f2p, I actually like sub games, but they need to merit a sub. For what your getting with ESO, it does not merit the sub, there are many many people that are over half way to level cap already and several are already level capped. Now what do they do? pvp? after their done with pvp then what? Start over again? 

  • SephrosSephros Member UncommonPosts: 429
    I dont qualify a games worthiness to buy on the no lifers who spend all day getting their keyboards stained with cheetos figures and are half way through content already. I'm level 14 and it has been worth the price.

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  • Agent_JosephAgent_Joseph Member UncommonPosts: 1,361

    only one thing is wrong with this game,it is not  sand box.

    I am can't imagine to play an TES game who is not sand box.

  • BattlerockBattlerock Member CommonPosts: 1,393
    Originally posted by Xsorus

    Here is something to consider

    if $15 a month is so much of a hassle to your finances these days...You should spend less time worrying about that game, and more time working and/or finding a job or better job.

     

     

     

     

    $15 is not a hassle - but I still expect quality whether I am playing for free, paying $1 a month, or $100 a month. 

  • BattlerockBattlerock Member CommonPosts: 1,393
    Originally posted by Xsorus

    The fact that you're waiting for it to go f2p before you play pretty much tells me its a hassle for your wallet

     

     

    I wouldn't have purchased Wildstar today if that were the case. $15 a month is not a hassle, but $15 for mediocrity is.

     

  • Kayo45Kayo45 Member Posts: 293
    Originally posted by Battlerock

    You're both missing the point. I wasn't saying I would rather it be f2p, I actually like sub games, but they need to merit a sub. For what your getting with ESO, it does not merit the sub, there are many many people that are over half way to level cap already and several are already level capped. Now what do they do? pvp? after their done with pvp then what? Start over again? 

    Quit, play Wildstar or some other MMO, come back next patch. People who reached level cap already are the minority, most players will be leveling for a few months at least listening to the story, reading some books, trying out other classes, crafting, etc. By your logic no game should ever be p2p because no developer can ever keep up with that kind of player whose consumed 3-5 years of development in 5 days or less.

    And I highly doubt you like p2p ... not only did you take the time to write an entire essay on why it should and will be f2p in record time (by console release in June?), you are just completely wrong on why people like p2p games in the first place. FYI, we dont play p2p because the game meets some impossible standard of quality and quantity (set by f2p players mind you) ... we sub because we like the game and dont want to be hassled, and pay gated every other step we take. We sub because we like the idea that the developers are investing in more content for us to actually play, not the next hot MT item whose entire gameplay value is the walk to the mailbox.

  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Originally posted by Battlerock

    Originally posted by CrazKanuk

    Originally posted by Battlerock

    I'd hold off, it looks like f2p is immanent and it's overall being rejected by consumers.  

    They may try to hold off on f2p until console launch, but it's going to be heavily rejected by console players no doubt if even pc gamers are rejecting it.

    MMORPG's struggle on consoles to begin with so that's two indicators that a f2p or move to buy to play will occur.

    Buy to play makes sense - console players already pay a sub fee to play on the psn or xblive networks.

    It won't be long and people will see ESO for what it really is, a single player leveling experience with 3 faction pvp multiplayer tacked on as endgame.

    Only a stubborn developer would continue to charge a sub fee for a  single player leveling experience with multiplayer tacked on. 

    Console players expect to be able to play multiplayer with their psn or xblive sub fee, a reasonable $5 a month opens up mostly all multiplayer games. 

    Even though I would like buy to play - f2p makes the most sense, that way the console and pc versions can maintain the same business models.

    People will come on here and say it will never go f2p or buy to play, but they are clearly wrong and are only trying to delay the innevitable. Watch the game, compare the game, and ask yourself what about this game warrants a sub fee? A single player leveling experience? or the multiplayer 3 faction pvp? If you say either one of those, you need merely to look at the compettition to realize neither one of those aspects warrants a sub fee.

    Wow, where did you get all your statistical information from? I love the part where you outlined how many subscribers they have right now and how their subscriber-base has decreased month-over-month. It really is a telling story! You're completely right. The numbers don't lie, they are definitely going to have to do f2p. 

     

    P.S. if your sarcasm detertor is turned off today, please try to support your argument with something logical other than "I saw that some people hate this, therefore everyone hate this." This is possibly the most unintelligent argument ever. 

    Originally posted by Kayo45

    TL;DR: Some things to consider ... I dont like paying one fee to get everything in the game through gameplay. Id rather buy stuff on a cash shop and have it mailed to me.

     

    .... ok gotcha ... thanks. Do us a favor and just put it on the title next time. Easier to avoid.

     

    There are indicators of the stats and I'm not going to follow up with you're request because I'm not going to spend all day arguing.

    You're both missing the point. I wasn't saying I would rather it be f2p, I actually like sub games, but they need to merit a sub. For what your getting with ESO, it does not merit the sub, there are many many people that are over half way to level cap already and several are already level capped. Now what do they do? pvp? after their done with pvp then what? Start over again? 

    Yeah, I can accept the fact that at some point in the future this might go F2P, but there are no indicators that it's going to be any time soon, sorry. The server is annoyingly populated at this point and was so even before launch! There is 1% of the crowd who may be level capped by now, but they are not in the majority. 

     

    To provide an analogy, I could look up in the sky and pick out any bird. One thing I can tell you with certainty is that bird will land at some point. That I can guarantee, or it will be shot dead. That's exactly what you're saying here. Yes, ESO will most certainly go F2P at some point, or it won't and it will simply die. There's no argument, but it's just silly to argue about something going F2P on launch day, although it does seem to be becoming a favourite past time of some.

    Crazkanuk

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    Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
    Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
    Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
    Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
    Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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  • BattlerockBattlerock Member CommonPosts: 1,393
    Originally posted by CrazKanuk
    Originally posted by Battlerock

    Originally posted by CrazKanuk

    Originally posted by Battlerock

    I'd hold off, it looks like f2p is immanent and it's overall being rejected by consumers.  

    They may try to hold off on f2p until console launch, but it's going to be heavily rejected by console players no doubt if even pc gamers are rejecting it.

    MMORPG's struggle on consoles to begin with so that's two indicators that a f2p or move to buy to play will occur.

    Buy to play makes sense - console players already pay a sub fee to play on the psn or xblive networks.

    It won't be long and people will see ESO for what it really is, a single player leveling experience with 3 faction pvp multiplayer tacked on as endgame.

    Only a stubborn developer would continue to charge a sub fee for a  single player leveling experience with multiplayer tacked on. 

    Console players expect to be able to play multiplayer with their psn or xblive sub fee, a reasonable $5 a month opens up mostly all multiplayer games. 

    Even though I would like buy to play - f2p makes the most sense, that way the console and pc versions can maintain the same business models.

    People will come on here and say it will never go f2p or buy to play, but they are clearly wrong and are only trying to delay the innevitable. Watch the game, compare the game, and ask yourself what about this game warrants a sub fee? A single player leveling experience? or the multiplayer 3 faction pvp? If you say either one of those, you need merely to look at the compettition to realize neither one of those aspects warrants a sub fee.

    Wow, where did you get all your statistical information from? I love the part where you outlined how many subscribers they have right now and how their subscriber-base has decreased month-over-month. It really is a telling story! You're completely right. The numbers don't lie, they are definitely going to have to do f2p. 

     

    P.S. if your sarcasm detertor is turned off today, please try to support your argument with something logical other than "I saw that some people hate this, therefore everyone hate this." This is possibly the most unintelligent argument ever. 

    Originally posted by Kayo45

    TL;DR: Some things to consider ... I dont like paying one fee to get everything in the game through gameplay. Id rather buy stuff on a cash shop and have it mailed to me.

     

    .... ok gotcha ... thanks. Do us a favor and just put it on the title next time. Easier to avoid.

     

    There are indicators of the stats and I'm not going to follow up with you're request because I'm not going to spend all day arguing.

    You're both missing the point. I wasn't saying I would rather it be f2p, I actually like sub games, but they need to merit a sub. For what your getting with ESO, it does not merit the sub, there are many many people that are over half way to level cap already and several are already level capped. Now what do they do? pvp? after their done with pvp then what? Start over again? 

    Yeah, I can accept the fact that at some point in the future this might go F2P, but there are no indicators that it's going to be any time soon, sorry. The server is annoyingly populated at this point and was so even before launch! There is 1% of the crowd who may be level capped by now, but they are not in the majority. 

     

    To provide an analogy, I could look up in the sky and pick out any bird. One thing I can tell you with certainty is that bird will land at some point. That I can guarantee, or it will be shot dead. That's exactly what you're saying here. Yes, ESO will most certainly go F2P at some point, or it won't and it will simply die. There's no argument, but it's just silly to argue about something going F2P on launch day, although it does seem to be becoming a favourite past time of some.

    I wouldn't call it a past time, I think of it as creating awareness. We will never know how many people that were on the fence, came on here, read this and then decided to hold off because of all the uncertainty, but at least I was part of giving fellow gamers some things to consider before purchasing.  People will do what they want with their money, some of them will do it and regret it because they bought into hype, those are the people I'm trying to connect with and say hold up a second, before you make that impulse purchase, there are some things you should know. 

    That isn't to say some will buy it and love it, a handful of those will say they love it because they don't want to feel burned even though they really don't like the game, a handful will genuinely love the game. The awareness that many are creating is for those that bought into hype and need brought back to reality.

    Why should I care? I just want to see better games and less of these kind of stunts that ESO is trying to pull. For the record SWTOR is 10x the game that ESO is and I don't even like SWTOR.

  • BattlerockBattlerock Member CommonPosts: 1,393
    Originally posted by Xsorus
    Originally posted by Battlerock
    Originally posted by Xsorus

    The fact that you're waiting for it to go f2p before you play pretty much tells me its a hassle for your wallet

     

     

    I wouldn't have purchased Wildstar today if that were the case. $15 a month is not a hassle, but $15 for mediocrity is.

     

     

    And there you have it

    Wildstar Fanboy

     

     I mentioned Wildstar because you said I have a problem with a sub, my purchase is proof I do not.

     

    What's your point? Wildstar has nothing to do with the quality of ESO. It's like if someone likes Wildstar they do not have the right to point out what's wrong with ESO? I don't think so, I understand people want something different, I do too. But that something different has got to really be amazing  and ESO is not amazing, the only thing amazing is how much of a rip off it is here, and how the launch and hype and filtering out any negativity contributes to the quick grabbing of money for the first week.

  • RoguewizRoguewiz Member UncommonPosts: 711

    Purchase it or not.  Who cares?  Play Wildstar or ESO.  Who cares?  What matters is what you enjoy.  If you enjoy story, character customization, and 3-way faction warfare:  Play ESO.  If you want a story with some tongue in cheek humor, some character customization, with the only real thing to do is raid at "cap" and gear grind:  Play Wildstar

    Finally, before you make your decision; wait until they offer free trials or until you actually play the game.  I'm not saying ESO is the holy grail of mmos, but don't knock it until you've tried it.

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