Is this a pve or pvp game?

kinky10 · April 2014

Would like to try it as want a new pve game but what is there to do at endgame?

If it's just pvp I think I,ll look elsewhere, can you be killed while questing by griefers when running normal quests?

kinky10 · April 2014

Anyone?

orionblack · April 2014

It's not open pvp, so you can quest in peace. But for now ..yeah alot of pvp going on as end game..currently. I don't know what they are coming out for it in the future.

But to be honest, I am not a big Elder Scroll fan but I am having immense fun playing the game. ^^ So much so that I probably gonna have to go back and play Skyrim and Oblivion..games I have had on hold on my ps3.

helot · April 2014

You should look elsewhere. No real PVE endgame or raids. I suggest WOW or Wildstar.

Aroukos · April 2014

If you seek some kind of Raiding PvE then this game is not for you. Not many PvE options in general. Some 4 man dungeons and questing. Thats all.

If you seek some massive PvP then give it a try.

Check it your own by watching some twitch or get to a friend who already purchased it and play a bit

Arglebargle · April 2014

The main endgame is realm vs realm PvP. It takes place in Cyrodil proper, so if you want to avoid it, you can -- by never entering Cyrodil. There will also be raids and dungeons, some small, some large, though I'm not up on all the details there. The game is designed around the RvRvR endgame, which is helpful for the developers, as they don't have to continuosly try to crank out content.

Now there are PvE things to do in Cryodil, much to the dismay of extemists on both sides of the PVE/P spectrum. If that bothers you, it could be an issue. The game was designed with a PvP focus, imo, so if that bothers you, it could also be an issue. Some of the rough edges of that design got smoothed out during beta, but not always in the most efficient manner.

kinky10 · April 2014

Thanks guys

Sovrath · April 2014

Originally posted by kinky10
Would like to try it as want a new pve game but what is there to do at endgame?

If it's just pvp I think I,ll look elsewhere, can you be killed while questing by griefers when running normal quests?

It's not a pvp game. I would say it's "sort of" both and at the moment the strongest "end game" is pvp. But I don't think that's a fair assessment because the pvp you are doing at "end game" is the same pvp you did at level 10.

I would say that due to the nature of pvp you can do it over and over again without adding new content.

There is a lot of content per faction and if they get their butts moving on these adventure zones then that would be a compelling end game pve experience.

Well, provided they do a good job of it.

You can play through all 3 factions and never, ever see the pvp section of the world. Consequently, one could, at level 10, go to the pvp section and never come back to the pve part. I'm not sure that would be wise but someone who has spent most time in the pvp map would better be able to comment on that.

Pyuk · April 2014

ESO is an example of extremely poor long-term design. It's predominantly a PvE game until max level. Then it goes 180 degrees and becomes predominantly a PvP focused game. So the game basically alienates it's core audience once they reach max level. If you're into PvP, then you're okay, but if you're into end game raiding after spending your leveling experience in a PvE game, you're hosed. Seriously poorly thought out long term retention design.

Battlerock · April 2014

Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by kinky10
Would like to try it as want a new pve game but what is there to do at endgame?

If it's just pvp I think I,ll look elsewhere, can you be killed while questing by griefers when running normal quests?

It's not a pvp game. I would say it's "sort of" both and at the moment the strongest "end game" is pvp. But I don't think that's a fair assessment because the pvp you are doing at "end game" is the same pvp you did at level 10.

I would say that due to the nature of pvp you can do it over and over again without adding new content.

There is a lot of content per faction and if they get their butts moving on these adventure zones then that would be a compelling end game pve experience.

Well, provided they do a good job of it.

You can play through all 3 factions and never, ever see the pvp section of the world. Consequently, one could, at level 10, go to the pvp section and never come back to the pve part. I'm not sure that would be wise but someone who has spent most time in the pvp map would better be able to comment on that.

keep in mind the highlighted part you will be doing by yourself. You will be paying a monthly sub fee to play a single player game.

The endgame is the pvp that you can do at lvl 10 yes, but it's also all that's left once you reach level cap.

Sovrath · April 2014

Originally posted by Pyuk
ESO is an example of extremely poor long-term design. It's predominantly a PvE game until max level. Then it goes 180 degrees and becomes predominantly a PvP focused game. So the game basically alienates it's core audience once they reach max level. If you're into PvP, then you're okay, but if you're into end game raiding after spending your leveling experience in a PvE game, you're hosed. Seriously poorly thought out long term retention design.

The adventure zones are supposed to be the "pve endgame".

Now, I don't know how much content is in one of those things but one is supposed to be released "soon".

I wouldn't say it's "go to cap with pve and then pvp endgame".

I would say that one can play either pve or pvp and because of the nature of the pvp section it ends up being one of the few things to do once a player hits cap.

This is because pve conent based on quests is finite. PvP content based upon taking keeps is not. You can keep doing it over and over and over again.

Now, if they don't release a decent amount of adventure zones or if the few they do release don't contain a lot of content then that's an issue.

Sovrath · April 2014

Originally posted by Battlerock
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by kinky10
Would like to try it as want a new pve game but what is there to do at endgame?

If it's just pvp I think I,ll look elsewhere, can you be killed while questing by griefers when running normal quests?

It's not a pvp game. I would say it's "sort of" both and at the moment the strongest "end game" is pvp. But I don't think that's a fair assessment because the pvp you are doing at "end game" is the same pvp you did at level 10.

I would say that due to the nature of pvp you can do it over and over again without adding new content.

There is a lot of content per faction and if they get their butts moving on these adventure zones then that would be a compelling end game pve experience.

Well, provided they do a good job of it.

You can play through all 3 factions and never, ever see the pvp section of the world. Consequently, one could, at level 10, go to the pvp section and never come back to the pve part. I'm not sure that would be wise but someone who has spent most time in the pvp map would better be able to comment on that.

keep in mind the highlighted part you will be doing by yourself. You will be paying a monthly sub fee to play a single player game.

The endgame is the pvp that you can do at lvl 10 yes, but it's also all that's left once you reach level cap.

That's not "quite" true.

It's what's probably going to be the experience of most players because they don't group up for quests but I have seen quite a few guild groups going from quest to quest together.

Which means that players need to be pro active in finding groups or else join a guild that runs regular guild runs.

As far as "paying a monthly sub" I seem to remember solo questing in lotro, wow, aion, tera, etc and still paying a monthly sub.

you can group up per quest in ESO as much as you did in those and other themepark games. The issue comes when you have people on different parts of a storied quest. Their fix is to make it so that players can band together and help those on the lower rungs of those quests so that they then can all move on to the other parts.

Aroukos · April 2014

Originally posted by Pyuk
ESO is an example of extremely poor long-term design. It's predominantly a PvE game until max level. Then it goes 180 degrees and becomes predominantly a PvP focused game. So the game basically alienates it's core audience once they reach max level. If you're into PvP, then you're okay, but if you're into end game raiding after spending your leveling experience in a PvE game, you're hosed. Seriously poorly thought out long term retention design.

This ^^

And no, extra quests at max lvl its not a end game PvE content. Its single player content at max lvl.

As for adventure zones no1 knows if they are coming soon or if they going to be good or bad. Anyway adventure zones will not be an alternative to Raids for Raiders. Thats for sure.

Agent_Joseph · April 2014

it is generic fantasy PVE story driven game with ,,end game,, pvp aoe zerging,It is what I am get playing betas but no idea how ll be it now.

(stil looking for more info about pvp(only for what I am interested in this game)

Battlerock · April 2014

Originally posted by Aroukos
Originally posted by Pyuk
ESO is an example of extremely poor long-term design. It's predominantly a PvE game until max level. Then it goes 180 degrees and becomes predominantly a PvP focused game. So the game basically alienates it's core audience once they reach max level. If you're into PvP, then you're okay, but if you're into end game raiding after spending your leveling experience in a PvE game, you're hosed. Seriously poorly thought out long term retention design.

This ^^

And no, extra quests at max lvl its not a end game PvE content. Its single player content at max lvl.

As for adventure zones no1 knows if they are coming soon or if they going to be good or bad. Anyway adventure zones will not be an alternative to Raids for Raiders. Thats for sure.

Agreed 100% - and that is the fundamental problem with the sub fee - it's just simply not enough game to merit a sub fee for someone who wants more than 3 faction pvp.

If you're playing for the pve questing part - your more than likely playing it by yourself - which means you might as well be playing a single player rpg - everything about a single player rpg is done better than the "single" player part of ESO.

If you're playing for the pvp - you've got this grind in front of you as you quest your way to level cap so you don't miss out on any performance advantages. To these players leveling is just a time sink. These are the players though that will continue to sub. It will be a smaller group of people, but it will be a dedicated group seeking faction pride.

Right now there is all kinds of promoting going on. This promoting is a cash grab because ultimately if the player is not into pvp they will not be resubbing after they finish the pve content, those players are funding the game, that funding will be going toward pvp. This is good for pvp fans and for pve fans it's really just abusing your wallet until you realize it.

That's why this is a pvp game. As mmorpger's we don't look at a game from a one month stand point, we look at it as though we will be investing emotionally into a long term relationship with the game, the community, the lore, everything about the game, when you ask yourself what is the long term draw of this game, it is faction pride through pvp.

Faction Pride through PVP - that is the endgame and that is why it's a pvp game.

I wish they would come out and say that already so people know what they are getting into.

Belgaraath · April 2014

The PVP zone is huge, so it feels like an open world. You could spend the whole game PVP and PVE in the PVP area and find tons of stuff to do in large groups, small groups, and solo. The PVE areas are very solo friendly but this game is a little more challenging that the standard WOW type game so you cant just stand there in combat. There are several public and private dungeons, anchors, fissures, skull and crossbone points which need more than one person, and you have the 50+, 50++ and coming soon Adventure Zones at end level. There is enough to do solo, group, PVE only, PVP only that no one should be complaining, except Sandbox folks who always whine about everything because they have been looking for a good game for like a decade.

MikeJezZ · April 2014

Well there's plenty PvE mmos already (all mmos currently except eve dark fall and ESO) so I really can't see the problem that PvP players finally gets love

Mardy · April 2014

It's like how DAOC was really, PvE to level, PvP for fun and endgame. But they are releasing new endgame content for PvE players soon, so nobody here can tell you what their plans are, what endgame content they'll add for PvE, and whether they'll implement large scale raiding or not. Mostly people are just speculating, and pretending to be ESO devs with access to their roadmap whiteboard.

Note that there is A LOT of PvE during your journey to endgame. Don't be mistaken when people say there's PvP at endgame, so you think there's not much PvE. There are tons of PvE content, and it'll take average gamers quite a long time to level up and to explore all there is to offer in Elder Scrolls world. So if you like PvE, you just may actually enjoy the indepth lore, questing, and engaging combat that ESO has to offer.

I'm a mostly PvP guy, I leveled my characters in GW2 through WvW only. I just love PvP. So I didn't think I would enjoy PvE in ESO. I was wrong, I'm now only level 14 (slowest character I've leveled since EQ1), and I'm doing a lot of PvE and really enjoying it. Give it a try, you may be surprised.

p.s. Don't let the usual Wildstar fans on mmorpg.com discourage you from trying ESO.

Battlerock · April 2014

Originally posted by Mardy
It's like how DAOC was really, PvE to level, PvP for fun and endgame. But they are releasing new endgame content for PvE players soon, so nobody here can tell you what their plans are, what endgame content they'll add for PvE, and whether they'll implement large scale raiding or not. Mostly people are just speculating, and pretending to be ESO devs with access to their roadmap whiteboard.

Note that there is A LOT of PvE during your journey to endgame. Don't be mistaken when people say there's PvP at endgame, so you think there's not much PvE. There are tons of PvE content, and it'll take average gamers quite a long time to level up and to explore all there is to offer in Elder Scrolls world. So if you like PvE, you just may actually enjoy the indepth lore, questing, and engaging combat that ESO has to offer.

I'm a mostly PvP guy, I leveled my characters in GW2 through WvW only. I just love PvP. So I didn't think I would enjoy PvE in ESO. I was wrong, I'm now only level 14 (slowest character I've leveled since EQ1), and I'm doing a lot of PvE and really enjoying it. Give it a try, you may be surprised.

p.s. Don't let the usual Wildstar fans on mmorpg.com discourage you from trying ESO.

Right now they are building the core group that will follow ESO until the end. Why in the world would they flip flop on that group and turn the game away from pvp? They should just focus on pvp for that core group - heck I might even play then if that were the case.

I have no problem with Zen and give them all the kudos if they realize what they are and harness all they have toward it. Focus on the 3 faction pvp and faction pride. It's how ESO can work - it's got plenty of room for improved combat, mechanics, and additional pvp content.

Wish they would have just said that from the beginning though.

Entinerint · April 2014

BOTH.

/thread

Herodes · April 2014

DAoC

/thread 2

fivoroth · April 2014

They will release adventure zones/raids or whatever it is in the next content patch.

Leveling up in this game is very slow. I have played for 9 hours in total and I am level 8. So yeah it will probably longer than a month to get to max level on one char.

IT's both. You have tons of PVE content and a massive PvP zone.

Homitu · April 2014

Why the "either or"?

Sephiroso · April 2014

Originally posted by fivoroth
They will release adventure zones/raids or whatever it is in the next content patch.

Leveling up in this game is very slow. I have played for 9 hours in total and I am level 8. So yeah it will probably longer than a month to get to max level on one char.

IT's both. You have tons of PVE content and a massive PvP zone.

leveling up is hardly slow, don't claim its slow just because you yourself are.

leveling in this game is faster than WoW which is saying something. and there isn't much PvE content to do at the moment, but they're adding things in later so its to come. no telling if it'll be any good though.

Myria · April 2014

Originally posted by fivoroth
They will release adventure zones/raids or whatever it is in the next content patch.

Leveling up in this game is very slow. I have played for 9 hours in total and I am level 8. So yeah it will probably longer than a month to get to max level on one char.

IT's both. You have tons of PVE content and a massive PvP zone.

The whole "They'll be releasing an endgame long before people get finished leveling" thing has never worked out well and there's no particular reason to believe it will here -- especially as no one outside of Zeni has any real idea of what said "next content patch" is going to consist of, let alone when it might arrive.

As it is the game is level as PvE (or gimp yourself by missing points/skill lines, etc.), endgame RvRvR. If that sound like fun, the game is for you, otherwise you're best off waiting.

fivoroth · April 2014

Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by fivoroth
They will release adventure zones/raids or whatever it is in the next content patch.

Leveling up in this game is very slow. I have played for 9 hours in total and I am level 8. So yeah it will probably longer than a month to get to max level on one char.

IT's both. You have tons of PVE content and a massive PvP zone.

leveling up is hardly slow, don't claim its slow just because you yourself are.

leveling in this game is faster than WoW which is saying something. and there isn't much PvE content to do at the moment, but they're adding things in later so its to come. no telling if it'll be any good though.

Wow levelling is not slower. If you are talking about vanilla, maybe. But levelling in WoW in Wotlk/CATA/MOP etc. is ridiculously fast. Do you care to share your stats?

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