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I think the main point here is that we as customers support the creation of mediocre trash and dont speak out enough about it to stop it from being produced.
I think our MMO community is now being harvested for $$$ without the desire to create truly unique and amazing experiences.
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does not help debating this I like this game more than those ,its a matter of taste.
this game is better than those you mentioned in my opinion and the people playing it.
nobody cares if you like it anyway.
I agree with everything you say, except where it seems you are against free speech.
One man's trash is another man's treasure. You, and people like the OP, don't get to decide what we as gamers play. It's not your decision. Some of us are enjoying the hell out of this game. What makes you so special that you get to arbitrarily run it down in the hopes that more games like it don't get developed?
The OP was flame-bait. Nothing more. You calling a game "trash" with no real justification for your views is not much better.
Get over yourselves.
I was like this during beta didn't really like it at all, didn't want to play the full weekend. I dunno why I bought it and now enjoying it, probably cause there's no MMO out that can hold my attention.
The problem here is that a subsection of gamers don't seem to understand the concept that not every game is made to please their tastes specifically, nor do they understand the idea of ignoring the games that they do not like rather than trolling the forums and making personal attacks against those who do. The whole bit of coming on to the forums and calling fans "blind," or "sheep," or making fake claims that the company is scamming you, or taking industry standards and pretending that they are something new, it got old years ago, and for the most part people are sick of the faux outrage and the wolf in sheep's clothing "I'm just looking out for the consumer" drivel that comes out of the same attention-seekers day in and day out.
What an incredibly astute observation by the OP. I mean no one ever considered or thought of that in the last 3 years. I guess perhaps the 300 or more threads about this haven't brought this to everyones attention yet.
Why are they 'industry standards'? Why is releasing shit a standard now? That is what you base your whole argument on. Which doesnt work because these games SHOULD NOT represent anything standard or 'normal'. But because some game a long time ago did it its OK for future games to do it? Not only do it but each successive game releases with more and more problems.
After the fails of the mid 00s Rift sort of set a new standard with a very good release. The best release of any AAA game til that point and still to this day actually. Even GW2 for the most part held to a very good launch in most respects. So those two games were supposed to do away with all the shit Warhammer, Age of Conan, Vanguard, Fallen Earth etc had made the common theme years before. So why after Rift and GW2 have people gotten back into that mindset that shit releases are the 'norm' again? Because of SWOTOR? Tera? A few other crap games that came out since Rift and GW2? I dont buy it. I think people who are fans of a game cling to those failed games to try and make their shit game look good by comparison.
ESO is a semi decent game, when it runs right, which is not very often. I never had a major problem with it even though it wasnt close to what it should have been, but hey it was 'good' enough. For buy to play but not pay to play. The beta was a disaster. The release has been a disaster too. It goes WAY beyond what most people call a 'good' lanch. Just because you personally can log in and play and the servers are up most of the time doesnt make it a good launch. Not when A LOT of people cant log in, A LOT of people have been banned, A LOT of people havent even got the game yet, there are still the same bugs, same performance issues related to phasing, Cyrodiil is more broken than it was in beta. Then you add hackers getting into player accounts, bots running rampant, the ID system that lets you find people in real life if you have any inkling to do so, billing issues, and the list goes on and on and on. It makes for a very piss poor launch. Sure some of these things have happened before in games, but not all of them and not all f the to the same game.
Seriously it has been so bad it isnt even fun pointing out all the problems the game has, its like shooting fish in a barrel at this point. Seems like every day another major problem arises that makes the game a nightmare for people who spent money on it. Are some people having fun? Yeah of course. A lot of people play a lot of other bad games too and dont know any better. Doesnt mean ESO is a great game.
The big difference is ZoS, at least for now, wants to charge people to play it. People might justify some of it if they didnt have a sub but no way no how do they once the money that was taken out as a verifier doesnt come back tot hem (most havent gotten it back yet as it is).
I agree the game isn't amazing, but it's good fun and I'm really enjoying it - I also don't care if it goes F2P or B2P, it's bound to happen eventually IMO and while I prefer P2P it's not that big of a deal.
Of course people who are excited and enjoying a new game will make unnecessary remarks about how great it is, same thing goes for negative comments - that's just how it is, why does it matter?
In any case, don't come up in here thinking your opinion is fact and telling other players how they will feel - that's all you and has nothing to do with anyone else.
Two weeks in and the haters are still trying hard. If they haven't moved on to the next game and still find the need to come hate on ESO then that in itself says something.
These people are worse than Molag Bal. Do us all a favor? Find your favorite game. Press start and play it and enjoy yourself. Life is to short. Find something positive and you will enjoy it more.
I have no idea what Archage got anything to do with this topic.
Not that i care for what OP said but if fans stop getting so aggressive and stop retaliating to every negative topic about ESO..a lot of problems will solve itself on these forums.
Why can't we have one decent conversation on these forums without a pissing match between fans and those who don't like the game... just once.
Guild wars 2 first month wasn't that great the first day was really bad overflow servers broke and you would see them phase in from time to time. The lag was really bad for a while you would walk 10 yards and get ported back every 10 secs, and lets not talk about the auction house. Thank god there was more then 1 way to do renowned hearts cause atleast 1 part of it was broken. I really like GW2 not hating on it but first month was very laggy for me, and if I remember right Arenanet was banning alot of people aswell, and bots were rampant for months.
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Wait! Wait! Wait! Is this where I say 'WoW is the best/first/only MMO'?
That's just, like, my opinion, man.
Not even close. The biggest complainers are now the people who spent money on the game who havent gotten their copies of the game yet even though they preordered in January, cant log in due to about a dozen reasons, were banned for no reason other than ZoS inability to manage their game properly, cant progress due to any number of bugged quests they have, fall through the world and then cant log in after it happens, die in a PvP zone and cant log in after it happens, and so on and so forth. You know CUSTOMERS of the game. THIS was supposed to be the 'favorite' game you alluded to. Might still be for them if they ever got a chance to play it.
Throwing out the 'hater' card is the quickest and easiest I know but it is sort of moot when the guys 'hating' spent money on the game in the first place.
But they were warned not to buy this load so I guess some people might want to say its their own faults. Which is actually a better argument than 'youre just a hater move on'.
The very well might go b2p or f2p. I can't say.
However, as far as the other stuff up there "good for you".
Other than that, the game has captured me in "that magical way" in that if I log in I know I'm going to spend more time than I put aside for playing games.
incidentally, I'm a huge opera fan. Something that's been around for longer than you have, and though it doesn't have a huge following (especially here in the US) it does manage to "capture people in that magical way" because it speaks to something that entices them. I don't lament that more people don't like it because I simply don't care, as long as there is opera to experience that's ok by me.
Incidentally, if GW 2, for me, was so great I'd be playing it right now. And though I think it's a good game I've never gotten a character to top level simply because it can't hold my interest.
And yet, for some reaon, I haven't ever had the impulse to go to the GW 2 site and let my "feelings" be known and to tell the GW 2 people that "they are blind".
Probably because I acknowledge "different strokes for different folks" and probably because I don't require that type of validation.
Now, if you excuse me I'm off to PAX.
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My thought exactly, if it happens it wouldn't be a surprise even FFXIV has been considered for the F2P transition, it's something every MMO today must consider. It's where a majority of the market is heading.
If it does happen, I have no problem with it, I'd just see it as the inevitable. I"d happily load it up for free. I'd pay for it as well once all the kinks are worked out.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
you "win" the 60 or 80 bucks someone else shelled out for this game. You also win not having mental break downs because you cant play a game you spent said money on.
The ONLY thing people who pre ordered this game are going to eventually have is the 'privelage' to create a name first, a name which eventually will sit there unused as people migrate from this game in droves and never return to even if it does go free to play.
Have you spent 15 hours grinding a single spot for leveling by trash mobs? That's my idea of a grind. Did it in 9Dragons, did it in Vanilla WoW, did it in SWG.
Have not done that in ESO. You can grind boss spawns in some places, but it's not necessary.
Do you consider any sort of progression as a grind? Or is there something specific that you are referring to?
hehe... I do appreciate the effort at least.
You get payed at least? To try to go viral with that kinda shit?
That being said... I dont see the need for you to be posting on the Elder Scrolls Online forums so... you can GTFO...
What do you say?
you bought the game? dude i figured this out in beta.
If they want to make ESO F2P after I'm a nice high level, and make the micro transactions mostly fluff/appearance based, then do it! I'll be happy to see ESO go F2P. Duno why people are saying that it's a bad thing and are using it as a doomsday prophecy to attack fanboys. Oh wait, that's right- *cough basement dwellers cough*. Excuse me, I'm not feeling well.