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I don't know where in the United States you've lived or how old you are but you're totally misinformed about our country. In the last 10 years we've had nothing but freedoms stripped from us and people are completely content to let that happen. The Patriot Act? Being forced to buy healthcare or be FINED? Where did my freedom of privacy go? Where did my freedom to CHOOSE if i want healthcare or not without being slapped with a fine? They went out the window thats where. Just like any sense of dignity, morality, or shame in the EVE universe.
Says the person who not only defended Erotica1's near psychological torture (or at least bullying) of another human being for his / her own sick amusement, but then proceeded to argue that the victim of that abuse was entirely at fault for everything. On top of that, you attempted to turn things around and paint Erotica1 as the victim! You have absolutely no place to talk, no credibility, and certainly no moral high ground to stand on.
As for the OP, I'm sorry for what happened. I too was a victim of continued harassment, up to and including death threats in my EVEmail. CCP did two things about it: Jack and shit.
There are good people in EVE though, and really it's CCP's attitude moreso than their customers which drove me off. I understand they can't (and shouldn't) ban everyone who calls someone else a nasty name, but death threats are a very serious matter (despite how laughable the concept of some twat from Europe coming stateside to get past my deadbolt, dog, and personal firearms to kill me is), and had the person(s) involved been living in America, legally actionable. As in possible jail time.
Such a damned shame a decent game is infested with assholes and run by a company which is in the pocket of the largest group of them, and doesn't really care about threats, harassment, and such.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. FEAR THE OLD BLOOD.
#IStandWithVic
I've been scammed, ganked, griefed, targeted by professional corp killers, got strung out to dry for CEO incompetence, used as cannon fodder, had assets stolen from me by someone who pretended to be a friend, etc all in EVE... and guess what softies? I don't compare that to rape and never will because the act of forcefully subjecting someone in real life for your own carnal gratification can never, ever, ever, equate to a few curse words as you lose some pixels for whatever reasons. In EVE Online the very first advice you are given: Do not fly what you cannot afford to lose and the second arguably is Do not believe things that are too good to be true.
The OP violated EULA rules by discussing GM actions on the forum and this is a pretty universal rule, more so than his "If it harms the game it is against the EULA!!" comment, and proceeded to fail repeatedly at thinking his actions out beyond the first step in a sandbox game which IMHO is downright asking for it ( you seriously wanted to setup a NRDS zone in Stain? even Black Frog wouldn't be suicidal enough to support shipping runs that deep in space on a constant basis and you wanted to do it anyway? With what alliance backing you? None? in a zone that's been a hotbed for conflict between the Russians and the western player alliances since before I joined EVE which was in 2005? Wow... just...wow).
I do not blame victims but people who basically slather tartar sauce on themselves and jump into a tiger pit aren't victims and the OP was asking for it... considering there's a block function for people in-game (thus verbal abuse can be dealt with within 1-2 minutes) and considering that if he had any real support cloaking gank can be mitigated quite easily (nothing ruins a pilgrims day than a cloaky legion or loki uncloaking behind it and blowing it apart).. I cannot condone this thread as anything other than the wishful fantasies of someone who wants the freedom to do whatever he likes but does not want everyone else to have the same freedom which IMHO is far too common these days (hint: one of the reason SWG NGE hit was people disliking other's freedoms) .
As for the guy who had cancer who got ganked...despicable as that may seem he forgot the first rule of EVE: Do not fly what you cannot afford to lose. because that gank may have happened even without his friend's help... shit happens all the time in EVE. That said I personally take a hard line against people who, for whatever reason, get or expect preferential treatment in EVE because I personally have health issue, nowhere near as severe as cancer for example but sufficient that a strong enough blow, which would be non-fatal otherwise, could outright kill me, and find the notion of people giving me any kind of special treatment disgusting (I've left corps in the past for this, I prefer getting ganked to the ganker going "Oh... you have issues... ok I will not shoot you but shoot your friends!" ).
EVE is a sandbox, it is not inherently evil or inherently good that is dictated by the players within and say what you will about that freedom to choose but do not take away from it with "If it damages the game you get banned" because that rule can and has been used to cry wolf in many games before and developers less sure of their vision have fallen for it but CCP while it has that rule applies it only in extreme cases to preserve player freedoms. You want to blame someone for the game being so hostile? Blame the players because we as a whole have a few psychopaths and sociopaths amongst our ranks but just like in real life: If he/she ain't looking at me I do not care.
I don't understand why you're so sensitive, I wasn't "attacking" you I was pointing out that you clearly didn't understand or possibly didn't actually read the OP. Again you miss the point where the thread lock had NOTHING to do with the OPs post but rather the 20+ pages of flaming that came afterwards. But sure go ahead and make a mountain out of a molehill that's all you have done this whole thread.
One of the very few reasonable responses to this ridiculous thread.
You have not answered my question, which leads me to believe there are ulterior motives to starting this thread. You are allowed to gank whoever you want in this game, however you want. Period. You can act as big a dick as you want but it is still within the acceptable rules of the EvE universe. There is no preferential treatment just because you are suffering a disability or have overcome cancer.
Now unless the gank victim was bullied/victimized/harassed/mocked afterwards, particularly because of his condition, it is out of CCP's hands. So I ask again. Were they?
O_o o_O
Because he agrees with you.
In Everquest ( bringing it up cause mentioned it a few posts back ) ninja-looting,training,harassment ect was bannable. They put in their "play-nice" policy for a reason.
Harassment in any MMO should be bannable. If you all want to keep comparing Eve to real life fine, but in real life there is consequences for your actions. Continually harassing someone in real life is called stalking.
I honestly don't care what you degenerates do to each other. It is a pvp game after all and the company that owns it makes it no secret they get off on the sadomasochism. When someone makes a post like this tho I will show empathy.
The first MMO you loved will always be the best. You will never get that feeling back stop trying.
Never played EvE. Never planning to play it.
Those are horrible stories. Especially the recently divorced guy (aka the guy encouraged to suicide).
I always thinked about high-school bullies when someone says EvE players. Sure, in real life they are the guy who gets a beat-up but in the game, they become bullies.
After reading your post (and some answers from this thread), i decided this was not the case. There is something mentally wrong with that kind of players. Something seriously wrong.
And for the "dont share your personal things lolz" guy: Usually, this type of games are the escape tools from real life. And sometimes, you want to talk about things with people, even they are strangers or not. I dont expect you to understand, you are probably too young.
Thanks for the post. At least now i know where the scum of the mmo universe is and i hope they stay there.
Stages of a new mmo: 1) It's just beta. It still has plenty of time before release. 2) It just launched. Give it time. WoW wasn't built in a day. 3) We don't need you anyway. 4) F2P announced. 5)Huge influx of players. 6) Look how much has changed. 7) Cash shop is the only thing developed lately. 8) It has been a long journey and we thank everyone who was part of it. Shutting down in 3 months. (Courtesy of Robokapp.)
Fully agree with this, thank you, I just crossed EVE off my list too.
Do people really think the world works this way? Have you ever knocked someone's teeth out because they called you some kind of racial slur? I know that when you are still in school, you just get scolded for fighting. But once you grow up, attacking someone because they called you a pedophile to your face is a crime.
Wow. This is a great example of taking a group of people, and making sweeping negative assumptions about them based on your preconcieved notion.
This thread feels super toxic. Even the first post ends with a massive verbal attack aimed at a group who's only shared attribute is that they enjoy a certain video game. Makes me want to invoke Godwin's Law.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
Thats what the entire OP's point was about. How shitty the community in EVE is. But the very end of your comment, and the guy who thinks its the only reasonable response in this thread, reminds me of a quote...
“First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak out for me.”
That is Martin Niemoller speaking about German intellectuals who just let things happen because it didn't affect them. You could stand to learn a lot from that.
There is a place in EvE for good guys and bad guys. I agree. I was a bad guy the entire time I played. I basically war decced carebear corporations for isk, I was called a griefer etc.
However what people fail to see is that your in game actions should not cross over into out of game harassment.
War deccing a corporation and asking them for isk or they get killed is vastly different to pretending to be friends with a guy you know is recovering from cancer, pretending to be his friends and then kill him causing him to lose everything he has. The first is ok, the second is despicable.
Creating 3 alts and following a player (what happened to me) for 4 months non stop while raving personal attacks in local that relate to the real world (that I was a pedo etc) is not an in game action, its a deliberate attempt to harass and ruin the in game experience of another player.
And while I did war dec and murder noobs, I always had a rule, if I kill a newb once I'd not go after them again, I mean why, what pleasure does someone get from killing an noob over and over. Its counterproductive to the game.
There are in game actions that your character creates and then there are out of game asshattery that you should never engage in if you have any self respect or respect for others. Messing with kids, the sick or dying, families or attacking people in real life is not part of EvE.
Edit: I should say it should not be part of EvE but it is because CCP allows it to be part of EvE. That's a mistake and one I think will eventually backfire on CCP when someone goes too far.
WoW, really? I held off and the post right after me proves Godwin's Law.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
Sorry m8 but where I come from we wouldn't even have to ask that question. We would never scam, grief or mess with a person we knew had cancer, especially if they'd been friends with us before they got it and had to leave EvE to deal with it.. Its dirty, low and shows a complete lack of respect not just for the person with cancer but for yourself and your family.
Its called having self respect and pride.
So ditch the entire game because it has a group of idiots?
Do you ever go out there in the real world, because if not, you might be in for a shock when you don't see the entire world singing sings around a campfire.
OP: consider quitting any mplayer game if you are shocked every time you run into a a$$hat.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Another person who has no idea what an analogy is and that it shouldn't be taken literal but is to get an idea across.
This topic is about EVE not about every other game out there. Yes we know these people exist in other games but this is about EVE.
This guy is the perfect example of the average EVE player....one giant wall of text, full of caps, taking everything literally to fit his argument. For the record i didn't compare Nazi Fascism to EVE but used a quote about it in regards to the guy who said "well the sociopaths aren't looking at me so i don't care."
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
You also won't see people shouting the N word or calling people homophobic bullshit on the sidewalk. This is about cowards doing this stuff because they have the anonymity of the internet.
The first MMO you loved will always be the best. You will never get that feeling back stop trying.
Seeing a lot of this in the thread. Is this EVE-ism or something?
First they came for the EVE players,
But I was not one of them...
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
Because a guy said "i dont care because the sociopaths aren't looking at me". And i used a quote speaking to the dangers of that kind of thinking you think Godwin's Law applies here? Give me a break.
People are going to look from the outside in with disgust after hearing about the things that go on in Eve.
The first MMO you loved will always be the best. You will never get that feeling back stop trying.