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[Column] Elder Scrolls Online: It’s Raining, But the Sky Isn’t Falling

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  • VolgoreVolgore Member EpicPosts: 3,872

    Following the mess that is the launch of ESO and the complains on the forums, i was just waiting for yet ANOTHER "look folks, it's not so bad" damage control article by Gonzalez and .....tataaaa....here it is!

    Hint: It's getting way too obvious to be taken serious anymore.

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  • ZebladeZeblade Member UncommonPosts: 931

    Yeah it is that bad. My friend got to 50 playing a vamp. He talked about a grind thats just not worth it. No clue what he was talking about my highest lvl is 10 haha. Then I read thread here and there like this one.

    Seeing 10+ bots in two solo dungeons blew me away. Coming back days later after two patches and they are still there says allot. My friend says they are in all dungeons. I dont know why ESO does nothing. I take a screen shot of one just yesterday that had 20+. I get reply to press the 'F" key for each one would make it easier for them to see if they are really bots. HAHA

    Anyway my friend already quit.  He was a vamp and said the dungeons and fire haha killed him so much. The lack of talk the unfriendly people. I and you have too seen countless run past mobs just to finish the quest, run past people needing help and so on. Lol its a MMO. Yet countless play it as a solo game. People from all over the world play yet no one talks.

    This bot problem will not go away. We all see the price going down and down. Thats not good. Dont you ever wonder where they are selling? Not that Auction House there is none. No  its your guild. They run there own guilds. Anyway.

    ESO Zenimax just does not will not listen. If you were in beta 2013 t- 2014 you know how many times you reported things that to this say are going strong. The same CO that new about bugs in SKYRIM said.. oh the community will fix them.

    So at 1st  subbed 3 months. Then after seeing tons of bots then over a week later still there. Still on  this beach 2nd island and so on and the 1st.. I canceled and only subbed for 1 month. I bought Wildstar and no one can say it will be better or worse. We will find out weeks later how bad or good it CAN be.

    ESO just does not care. NO how many times can you report, screen shot, video and weeks later they are still selling still botting.. Just go to that solo dungeon.. like Dels claim..

  • ZandilZandil Member UncommonPosts: 252
    No one ever reads this far down soooooo.........JUSTIN BIEBER 

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  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member EpicPosts: 3,481
    Originally posted by ThomasN7
    What amazes me is that it takes developers 5 years to release mmos with bugs. Why should we forgive them when it is our money they are dealing with ? I'm just saying perhaps mmo development needs 6 or more years in order to avoid such tragic events such as these... This sounds like they tried to cut corners in order to make investors happy again. Don't people ever learn ?

    Sorry, there's no amount of time that's going to deliver the perfect game.   When Every Single MMO ships with these same sorts of issues, you can conclude that it's a part of the nature of MMOs.   Whether you want to put up with that or not, that's a personal decision.   Really though, if you want to avoid it, wait for three or six months before jumping in.     Certain problems only show up when you have hundreds of thousands of people playing.

     

    This doesn't excuse the design decision flaws that crop up.  Those are fully on the heads of the designers.   At times I do look at ESO and think 'This shows it's their first MMO.'   But they were actually more flexible than I expected in latter parts of building the game.  They were changing stuff late into the Beta.   Which of course can add even more fun to the bughunts...

    If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  • LanthirLanthir Member UncommonPosts: 222
    Well I have only encountered one bug that delayed progress.  It could be that since I am a slow leveler and love to explore that the bugs are generally being fixed before i reach them.  The bots are an annoyance but since I am not a farmer anyway I just get my kill in on the boss and leave.  Why sit for hours farming gear that I will out level in much less time it takes to get the drops to start with.  our guild did have 3 guys that were caught up in the bot/goldspamer ban.  However, within a few hours they had their accounts back. The three of them felt it was worth it if it got rid of alot of the gold farmers.  THey botsfarmers really have not had an effect on the economy and Zen does seem to be trying to bring them under control.  They have even altered their reporting system so that the spammers/farmer are handled by a different team when you report them.  Really not since EQ have I had as much fun in an MMO.

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  • RosenthorneRosenthorne Member UncommonPosts: 94
    Originally posted by Margrave

    Does it have issues, yes.

    Is it perfect, of course not.

    Am I having fun, you bet.

    Do I feel it is worth the price of admission, sure thing.

    Is it for everyone, nope.

    Will I continue to play while enjoying myself, you can count on it.

    Yup, as a veteran gamer of 20 years..I can truthfully say that this launch is not worse than any other I have experienced...in fact the disappearing stuff issue was in AOC too, and the lag spikes, and the stuck loading screens,  and teleporting exploits and they also had DC'ing whenever a raid Boss was looted....need I go on?

    People have such short memories.

     

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  • Insurgent99Insurgent99 Member Posts: 58

    I'm having fun.

    Anyone that isn't having fun should just stop bitching and move on.

    We have all heard the reasons why this game " sucks"  to some people. If you don't like it, go play the Wildstar beta or play Skyrim with a Death Star for the moon mod, for the thousandth time.

     

    Haters: just keep dreaming of Skyrim II the same as the anti-SWTOR crowd moans about KOTOR III, and stop trolling the people who enjoy the game!

  • PanzerbasePanzerbase Member Posts: 423
    You know the game is in trouble if they have to prop it up with these kinds of articles.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,939
    Originally posted by Rosenthorne
    Originally posted by Margrave

    Does it have issues, yes.

    Is it perfect, of course not.

    Am I having fun, you bet.

    Do I feel it is worth the price of admission, sure thing.

    Is it for everyone, nope.

    Will I continue to play while enjoying myself, you can count on it.

    Yup, as a veteran gamer of 20 years..I can truthfully say that this launch is not worse than any other I have experienced...in fact the disappearing stuff issue was in AOC too, and the lag spikes, and the stuck loading screens,  and teleporting exploits and they also had DC'ing whenever a raid Boss was looted....need I go on?

    People have such short memories.

     

    I think it's more like they have "selective" memories.

    There were a lot of games that had issues at launch.

    Some didn't of course. Example, Lord of the Rings online, to the best of my memory, didn't have any issues "at launch". It has had issues from time to time during it's life. but it was a pretty good launch.

     

     

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  • SiphaedSiphaed Member RarePosts: 1,114
    Originally posted by Necropsie

    These companies (all of it, including Zenimax) think we all are customers, not "fellow gamers". They also act like that. If i don't pay my sub in time, do they say "ah cut some slack to Joe.. he is a good man, he will pay it.. lets just wait a little more"? No. So why should i cut some slack to them? Why should i wait for the magical patch that will fix everything? 

    Whole review says "it is not that bad, just wait, they will fix it". No. First of all, it is that bad. Second of all, again, why should i wait? If i am a customer, which i am in their eyes, i demand the polished version now. Not 3 months later.

    This is not a indie / kickstarter game. This is an AAA title that costs lot of money.

    It is amazing that gaming companies usually gets away with a pat on their back. In any other business field, acts like this will make your company ruin. But when it comes to games, suddenly we all became "ah you.. don't do this again.. but we still love you, don't worry."

    Why do we keep doing that? Gaming became a very serious business lately, billion dollars kinda thing. Bigger then movies. Bigger then any other entertainment. Companies understand this perfectly but we still can't. We still think people who makes games are different, are more "special". No. They are not.

    Make them understand. Unsub. Ask for a refund. Make complaints. Or we will keep seeing this kind of amateurism in the future.

    More true than any other statement about MMO's.  

     

    Sure there are things at launch that are out of the developer's hands:  server queues, battlegorund queues, etc.     Those kind of things....TESO doesn't have an issue with at all.  Instead it's duping bugs...disgusting bugs that are quite obvious and very easily seen by developer and player alike (seen during the Beta, remember this). 

     

    Things like fundamental design flaws that prevent playing with friends in an MMO...seriously, that is the most fucked up, piss-on-your-customer thing I've ever heard of.  It's like...it's....holy shit evil!  Seriously, just seriously...that's just,..ugh!  Oh sure it's easy for htem to PvP together, I think, but for PvE you can't so much as have shared credit for things....or even see allies if you're not on the same page.  It's just utterly disgusting.    Might as well have been a single-player game.


  • ZkarnZkarn Member Posts: 4

    So much hate?!

    Im having an absolute ball in this game.  Currently lvl 45.

    The varing skill trees and being able to switch between skill lines in combat makes for so many combinations of pew pew that my major problem becomes not spreading my skill points too thin.

     Ive had one quest line bug that I resolved by relogging. Occured in the first zone.

    I also had the bank space reset bug and lost some items.  However customer service credited my toon with 65K gold to resolve it.  Which was far higher than the value of the items and cost of bank slot expansions.

    This is by far the best crafting system I have experienced.  Detailed and useful for leveling, reducing repair costs and great for asthetics.  With a couple of the inv mods which tell me which items I need for research it is simply awesome.

    Ive never really cared about storylines in MMO's but this one is just awesome.  There is a lot of humor and genuine emotion in some of the questlines that those who normally skip thorugh quest chat/text will unfortunatly miss.

    The only real issue I have with the game is Friday maintenance.  As an oceanic player Im used to having maint in my primetime and have long ago got used it.  However friday night maint is not ideal and is something Ive not seen before in any MMO.  

  • sbrite10sbrite10 Member Posts: 71
    People can complain and moan about this launch and its bugs all they want.It was way smoother than most launches and Ive gotten my $60 easily out of it and its not even a month old yet.Im not saying there aren't bugs but they are minor things compared to some of my past MMO launches and Ive been through most of the big ones if not all of them.You couldn't even play WOW at launch.Thats when you really had something to complain about.All games get released with bugs, its the way things are these days with the size scope and complexity of developing them, especially MMO's.The sky is not falling here.If you cant take this launch then maybe you should reconsider your leisure activities.If it didn't meet your expectations then maybe you need to rethink your expoectations.The game has delivered everything I was promised and more.
  • BurntvetBurntvet Member RarePosts: 3,465
    Originally posted by Panzerbase
    You know the game is in trouble if they have to prop it up with these kinds of articles.

    And the quid pro quo for these... which is what, I wonder....

  • PanzerbasePanzerbase Member Posts: 423
    Originally posted by Burntvet
    Originally posted by Panzerbase
    You know the game is in trouble if they have to prop it up with these kinds of articles.

    And the quid pro quo for these... which is what, I wonder....

    Access, a job, a golden arrow sticking out of a hollow knee stuffed with cash... who can say.

  • sbrite10sbrite10 Member Posts: 71
    Originally posted by Siphaed
    Originally posted by Necropsie

    These companies (all of it, including Zenimax) think we all are customers, not "fellow gamers". They also act like that. If i don't pay my sub in time, do they say "ah cut some slack to Joe.. he is a good man, he will pay it.. lets just wait a little more"? No. So why should i cut some slack to them? Why should i wait for the magical patch that will fix everything? 

    Whole review says "it is not that bad, just wait, they will fix it". No. First of all, it is that bad. Second of all, again, why should i wait? If i am a customer, which i am in their eyes, i demand the polished version now. Not 3 months later.

    This is not a indie / kickstarter game. This is an AAA title that costs lot of money.

    It is amazing that gaming companies usually gets away with a pat on their back. In any other business field, acts like this will make your company ruin. But when it comes to games, suddenly we all became "ah you.. don't do this again.. but we still love you, don't worry."

    Why do we keep doing that? Gaming became a very serious business lately, billion dollars kinda thing. Bigger then movies. Bigger then any other entertainment. Companies understand this perfectly but we still can't. We still think people who makes games are different, are more "special". No. They are not.

    Make them understand. Unsub. Ask for a refund. Make complaints. Or we will keep seeing this kind of amateurism in the future.

    More true than any other statement about MMO's.  

     

    Sure there are things at launch that are out of the developer's hands:  server queues, battlegorund queues, etc.     Those kind of things....TESO doesn't have an issue with at all.  Instead it's duping bugs...disgusting bugs that are quite obvious and very easily seen by developer and player alike (seen during the Beta, remember this). 

     

    Things like fundamental design flaws that prevent playing with friends in an MMO...seriously, that is the most fucked up, piss-on-your-customer thing I've ever heard of.  It's like...it's....holy shit evil!  Seriously, just seriously...that's just,..ugh!  Oh sure it's easy for htem to PvP together, I think, but for PvE you can't so much as have shared credit for things....or even see allies if you're not on the same page.  It's just utterly disgusting.    Might as well have been a single-player game.

     

    Im sure they did it all on purpose just to spite you.This is ZOS first MMO with a new Networking tech.The Megaserver tech they are using is majorly complicated.Multiple servers that make up one giant server.Never been done like this before.Phsing has bugs to work out.It will be fixed,They have no choice.Its not the end of the world for crying out loud.

  • sbrite10sbrite10 Member Posts: 71
    Originally posted by Panzerbase
    You know the game is in trouble if they have to prop it up with these kinds of articles.
     

    Tin Foil Hats anyone?

  • sbrite10sbrite10 Member Posts: 71
    Originally posted by FlyByKnight

    You want to charge 60 bucks + $20 (if you want Imperial + white horse and other perks) and then a subscription? You get your shit together. They bragged about how they had 5mil beta registers. I don't want to hear excuses. I want to hear accountability. I want to see patch notes specifically pointing out known issues if they weren't fixed already.

     

    It's fucking hilarious how if you don't want to sub to these unfinished buggy games you're a poor person mooching, but when you do buy in and subscribe and expect quality you're overbearing and expect too much.

     

    There are quests that were broken since beta and they 2-stepped their way right into launch.  Even now there are some simple quests that have spawning issues that seem simple enough to correct so people can progress on. I've seen F2P games hotfix stuff like that in 24-48 hrs. Is Zenimax capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time?

     

    I'm one of the people that came in liking ESO, but I feel like Zenimax is being rewarded for feet dragging.  Look at their terms of service.  They try to make people pay an extra month if they don't cancel 30 days in advance, but I'm not allowed to expect simple quest hotfixes.  I'm not allowed to expect when I press my mouse or keys something is to happen. I'm not allowed to expect NPCs to spawn in quests.

     

    FOH. I didn't buy in to hate the game.

     

    They have had more hot fixes for quests than any other MMO Ive ever played in this short a period of time.You think these developers don't have families to go home to?I guarantee you they have teams working on every inch of this game.For crying out loud the games only been out what 3 weeks?Get over yourselves.Im having a great time in the game.Yes there are bugs but not gamebreakers for me.If you cant have a good time playing this game then you aren't even trying.Just want whine like little kids.Man sometimes I wish the Internet was never invented.

  • spoggosspoggos Member Posts: 7
    I'll give this my two cents, as I've been an MMO gamer for a couple of years now, 10 namely, starting back in 2004 with WoW. Now , I'll admit, I wasn't around for many releases of the "big" MMORPGs of today, including WoW, TERA, Lineage II or whatever, you name it. I mostly join 2-3 months later, so I can spectate from a 3rd person point of view how the game is received by the community, how the game handles bugs or other issues that will almost always pop up, and how it develops. And, since I'm not playing ESO, and haven't played yet, I'd like to think I'm not really biased. So,  the feeling I get from reading around in MMORPG.com is that many, many customers are dissatisfied. I also get the feeling from reading MMORPG.com's reviews, or some of them, that they are trying to semi-back-up ESO. I'm sorry but I can't accept "most MMORPGs have bugs on release" as an excuse.. We shouldn't have such low standards, especially when producers are asking for as much as 60 euros to purchase the game and another 15 to purchase a subscription.. Like, to me at least, it seems like a lot of money (its closing in to 100 euros) just to get to play the game, only to find out its basically drowned in bugs. Kind of sucks. Anyway, I guess you do need patience when launching a new MMORPG, but people dont have enough patience, and its normal, I mean theres a ton of games out there to try out, why should we stick around for ESO for 2 or 4 months or however long it takes them to patch out all bugs, when we can simply play something less buggy but equally enjoyable?
  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686
    Originally posted by DMKano

    ESO has much bigger issue than bugs/exploits/rocky launch.... the grind in Veteran Ranks is brutal. and questing in Veteran Ranks... well to put it bluntly, sucks.
     

     

    Thats a feature, if you dont like it, move on..

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • FearumFearum Member UncommonPosts: 1,175

    Great game so far. They seem to be fixing it up as it goes and is the most fun I have had in a mmo in a long time. Leveling 4 different characters and doing all the crafting is a pain in the ass lol. Got them all over 10 now, highest is 16, and still can't pick a favorite class, I like them all. Taking it nice and slow and having fun, all that matters to me. Others need quick bang for the buck, more power to them and good luck finding their next game to devour.

     

  • RedMachine72RedMachine72 Member UncommonPosts: 154
    Originally posted by DMKano

    ESO has much bigger issue than bugs/exploits/rocky launch.... the grind in Veteran Ranks is brutal. and questing in Veteran Ranks... well to put it bluntly, sucks.
     

    Also why should we forgive problems during launch?

    Because many previous games had problems? To me that's not a valid excuse period.

     

    1. You spend $60 - the game should work, the quests (especially MAIN quest) should work, the server shouldn't be down for 14 hours, bank slots deleted - this should not happen ever.

    Mass bans (including players who never duped), then unbans of folks who duped too?

    There are some things that are very hard to forgive.

    I feel that Zenimax does not know and are not ready to host a AAA game - I am not going to give them another shot at this time.

    I have no confidence in their ability to run an online game at this time. So I will play out my remaining 2 weeks but no sub from me.

    I can tell that you have not played many MMO's at launch. Probably never played WoW before the end of its first year. Hell the first 6 months of WoW, players were lucky to be able to have it up 6 days in a row. It spent more time down than up it seemed in the fist couple if months, and look at the way it turned out. Play your month, quit bitchin about launches being buggy, and go play a console game........after it patches.

  • ninoslovespieninoslovespie Member Posts: 9
    need more ERP. nuf said.
  • WolfsheadWolfshead Member UncommonPosts: 224
    Originally posted by DMKano

    ESO has much bigger issue than bugs/exploits/rocky launch.... the grind in Veteran Ranks is brutal. and questing in Veteran Ranks... well to put it bluntly, sucks.
     

    Also why should we forgive problems during launch?

    Because many previous games had problems? To me that's not a valid excuse period.

     

    1. You spend $60 - the game should work, the quests (especially MAIN quest) should work, the server shouldn't be down for 14 hours, bank slots deleted - this should not happen ever.

    Mass bans (including players who never duped), then unbans of folks who duped too?

    There are some things that are very hard to forgive.

    I feel that Zenimax does not know and are not ready to host a AAA game - I am not going to give them another shot at this time.

    I have no confidence in their ability to run an online game at this time. So I will play out my remaining 2 weeks but no sub from me.

    And if you have follow news on there homepage your should know the are work on new end game content and if people are stupid enough to rush to lvl 50 with in 1 st month who is to blame not company for the did go out with info that it was not enough end game content in game and the was work so people should not blame Zenimax if the are stupid play 24/7 the 1st month the should blame themself.

    Stop whine like damn kid suck up if like the game if then dont like game it wont help sit on public forum whine the can always stop play at anytime but keep themself info about game on ESO homepage go a longway.

  • Saio3Saio3 Member UncommonPosts: 88

    Yeah...I have to say this article looks...suspicious to say the least, I can even imagine the conversations that lead to this damage control. While reading that 40+ pages thread from that guy's review, It came to my mind that something like this would happen.

     

    I'm no eso fan but a tes fan, at the beggining I was amused with all this drama but soon became too much, Hence the "article(?)".

     

    If you like it play it. More power to you, I played the whole Anarchy online release and stayed for 4 more expansions. So I know the feeling of liking something despite of...well everything.

     

    But somethig that is a recurring excuse is "All mmos had their bugs" "X game beggining was chaotic" and that I cannot comprehend, Why would you accept the same mistakes in a 2014 "AAA" of those in a game that one that came out 10+ years ago for example? When you buy a car is it ok that it doesn't have an mp3 player because 5 years ago most of them didn't have them? Would you accept  a bad performance in your windows 8(?) because windows vista was bad?

    Yes they are a nouvelle company but do you think they hired staff fresh from college? I want to beleive with all that money they hired compentent people if not the best. So why would you treat them as an amateur company? They surely don't charge you like one XD

    Also as the whole industry progresses the "Colective knowledge" Increases. Meaning that something that was an excusable mistake 10 years ago is certainly not acceptable nowadays. Because "It is known..."

     

  • FrancKaosFrancKaos Member UncommonPosts: 7
    Originally posted by MyBoot
    No one ever reads this far down soooooo.........JUSTIN BIEBER 
     
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