gold will be sold for real money... the question is who will do it...
Doubt it will reduce either.
Gold sellers will sell for less than CREDD-Gold conversion.
Bots will still farm and sell for higher prices because people can buy gold.
Just my opinion, as yours was.
Yup Azzras is right. It doesn't affect the gold selling itself in any positive way.
Quite the opposite because botters can pay for their subscriptions with the money they farm ingame. (No profits for Carbine except for game sales)
However Carbine will have more incentives to kill the unofficial-RMT since they are gaining profits from RMT themselves :j
Botters could also have the opposite affect. Botters will be able to pay for CREDD, which is profit for Carbine. This will keep players that want to buy gold buying CREDD to sell to botters. Carbine gets a sub fee from both parties. If they ban the botters, less profits. If they don't ban them they get more profit, but then the botters will start to take over the game.
Not saying it will go this way, but it is plausible.
gold will be sold for real money... the question is who will do it...
Doubt it will reduce either.
Gold sellers will sell for less than CREDD-Gold conversion.
Bots will still farm and sell for higher prices because people can buy gold.
Just my opinion, as yours was.
Yup Azzras is right. It doesn't affect the gold selling itself in any positive way.
Quite the opposite because botters can pay for their subscriptions with the money they farm ingame. (No profits for Carbine except for game sales)
However Carbine will have more incentives to kill the unofficial-RMT since they are gaining profits from RMT themselves :j
Botters could also have the opposite affect. Botters will be able to pay for CREDD, which is profit for Carbine. This will keep players that want to buy gold buying CREDD to sell to botters. Carbine gets a sub fee from both parties. If they ban the botters, less profits. If they don't ban them they get more profit, but then the botters will start to take over the game.
Not saying it will go this way, but it is plausible.
Interesting idea. Botters would actually drive the prices of CREDD higher and this would make people more interested in buying CREDD from Carbine. While lower CREDD prices make gold sellers more interesting choice of RMT.
Guess we'll have to wait and see how the market adjusts 8)
Originally posted by GoldenArrow Well affect is a bad choice of word on my part.What I meant is that the prices will be affected but there will still be the regular amount of gold farmers/botters/sellers.
Competition and legal way of gold exchange will definitely drive some gold sellers off.
What I meant is that the prices will be affected but there will still be the regular amount of gold farmers/botters/sellers.
Competition and legal way of gold exchange will definitely drive some gold sellers off.
This is something I didn't see in Age of Wushu nor Tera (pre-F2P). Gold sellers seem to strike every game with same sort of passion. Granted F2P games are easier to access than other titles.
What I meant is that the prices will be affected but there will still be the regular amount of gold farmers/botters/sellers.
Competition and legal way of gold exchange will definitely drive some gold sellers off.
Most gold sellers are in game day 1 trying to sell impossible amounts of gold, even though there is no possible way they could have accrued it.
Most are not trying to sell you gold. They are trying to hack your account. The gold prices are irrelevant to them. They could post 100k gold for $1. It doesn't matter. They want your account.
Originally posted by Satsunoryu It will absolutely have a HUGE impact in reducing gold-sellers. PLEX works great in this fashion and it will work great in WildStar just the same.
You give PLEX to much credit. I would say it's the anti-gold selling/anti-botting systems that Eve has in place that keeps them out more than PLEX.
Economy in game IS that simple really. Its about finding the right balance and having ways to get rid of extra gold in the economy. I know its baffling, but its that simple. We really don't know enough if what they are doing will be enough to keep things 'stable' yet though.
As far as Credd goes... guys... all credd does is add more game time. Its not really doing much else. Yes, you can sell it, but in the end economy wise it has 0 effect on the economy. Heck, in a way it even reduces gold in the economy with AH fees taking some of the cash. Argue "p2w" if you REALLY want (Its fair to be argued, though its not remotely as bad as the advantage in GW2 or heck Eve's system considering its a game BASED on the economy) but truthfully its not a really bad system, and its one that won't cause any 'dramatic shift' on things. Would I of added it personally? No, but its not something anyone should be that bothered by.
It's always interesting to see how people that like a game a lot will subjectively try and defend most of it's flaws. Had a similar argument when I told a friend that the game looks like a disney movie for kids to which he replied "it's stylized graphics"...yeah.
If they wanted to give ppl the option to buy sub with gold they could have just made it un-tradeable and that's that. Like it is now, it may or may not be a p2w system depending on how much stuff u can buy with gold.
I know/knew plenty (PLENTY) of people that spent $300-$500 a month on a cash shop, so trust me, there will be no shortage of people going "oh...im out of gold, let me go buy 50 CREDD". Unless, maybe there's a limit that I'm not aware of?
The gold being spent to buy CREDD is made in game. It does not artificially pump gold into the economy.
CREDD is not tradeable. It's sold on the commodities exchange for the current going price.
Gold is not the ultimate source of power in WildStar, but more of a convenience. You cannot buy the best gear, it must be earned through playing the game.
CREDD is nothing more than advertised: it allows players who play a ton to purchase their sub with in-game gold. It allows people with less time to safely purchase gold by selling credd via the CX.
It's always interesting to see how people that like a game a lot will subjectively try and defend most of it's flaws. Had a similar argument when I told a friend that the game looks like a disney movie for kids to which he replied "it's stylized graphics"...yeah.
I'm not sure if i want to buy the game. But i think the credd system is a good thing and every game should have it. actually i don't see much valid points against it...
Originally posted by Prhyme The gold being spent to buy CREDD is made in game. It does not artificially pump gold into the economy.
CREDD is not tradeable. It's sold on the commodities exchange for the current going price.
Gold is not the ultimate source of power in WildStar, but more of a convenience. You cannot buy the best gear, it must be earned through playing the game.
CREDD is nothing more than advertised: it allows players who play a ton to purchase their sub with in-game gold. It allows people with less time to safely purchase gold by selling credd via the CX.
welp, that killed this thread. We can all go log back into our games of choice now!
It's always interesting to see how people that like a game a lot will subjectively try and defend most of it's flaws. Had a similar argument when I told a friend that the game looks like a disney movie for kids to which he replied "it's stylized graphics"...yeah.
It's also interesting to see how when people disagree, they attack positive opinions as if they are nothing but bias with no substance. I happen to agree with your friend. I'm an artist myself and have always liked work like Joe Madureira, Randy Green, Roger Cruz, etc., and hell, even Disney art. While there are obvious parallels to Disney art (considering one of the lead artists is a Disney artist) that doesn't mean it's NOT stylized. It very much is and not everyone will dig it.
Defending the CREDD system is a solid bet as well. I played EVE for a long time and while it's not exactly the same since the economical circumstances are different, I still think it's a great system that will improve the game rather than harm it. I'm almost 33 years old and can't be on the game every day, and this opens up legitimate avenues for me in-game while allowing people with a lot more time to also benefit from it. Win/win.
Originally posted by Prhyme The gold being spent to buy CREDD is made in game. It does not artificially pump gold into the economy.
CREDD is not tradeable. It's sold on the commodities exchange for the current going price.
Gold is not the ultimate source of power in WildStar, but more of a convenience. You cannot buy the best gear, it must be earned through playing the game.
CREDD is nothing more than advertised: it allows players who play a ton to purchase their sub with in-game gold. It allows people with less time to safely purchase gold by selling credd via the CX.
welp, that killed this thread. We can all go log back into our games of choice now!
Hardly kills the thread.
It's his opinion that CREDD will not affect the game.
Does it mean that gold is worthless? Can you not get an advantage by having more gold?
Does it not encourage more botting?
You may dismiss these concerns out of hand, but I do not.
Originally posted by Prhyme The gold being spent to buy CREDD is made in game. It does not artificially pump gold into the economy.
CREDD is not tradeable. It's sold on the commodities exchange for the current going price.
Gold is not the ultimate source of power in WildStar, but more of a convenience. You cannot buy the best gear, it must be earned through playing the game.
CREDD is nothing more than advertised: it allows players who play a ton to purchase their sub with in-game gold. It allows people with less time to safely purchase gold by selling credd via the CX.
Gold sellers do not artificially pump gold into the economy, but they are considered the bane of MMOs.
Gold in WS may not be the ultimate source of power, but it will give players the ability to have more power over others.
Crafting could be as simple as spending $30 to max it out.
Pots, etc., could be bought in mass...increasing the price...thus making it harder for non-CREDD buying players to attain.
Bots could actually be encouraged by the devs because they will be a good source of income. (They farm the mats and sell them at outrageous prices, players buy CREDD just to afford mats, bots buy CREDD to reduce overhead by not paying a sub.)
I'm not saying any of this will happen, but PLEASE don't just put a blindfold on and say CREDD will have zero affect on the game.
Originally posted by Prhyme The gold being spent to buy CREDD is made in game. It does not artificially pump gold into the economy.
CREDD is not tradeable. It's sold on the commodities exchange for the current going price.
Gold is not the ultimate source of power in WildStar, but more of a convenience. You cannot buy the best gear, it must be earned through playing the game.
CREDD is nothing more than advertised: it allows players who play a ton to purchase their sub with in-game gold. It allows people with less time to safely purchase gold by selling credd via the CX.
Gold sellers do not artificially pump gold into the economy, but they are considered the bane of MMOs.
Gold in WS may not be the ultimate source of power, but it will give players the ability to have more power over others.
Crafting could be as simple as spending $30 to max it out.
Pots, etc., could be bought in mass...increasing the price...thus making it harder for non-CREDD buying players to attain.
Bots could actually be encouraged by the devs because they will be a good source of income. (They farm the mats and sell them at outrageous prices, players buy CREDD just to afford mats, bots buy CREDD to reduce overhead by not paying a sub.)
I'm not saying any of this will happen, but PLEASE don't just put a blindfold on and say CREDD will have zero affect on the game.
While I support the CREDD system, as I said initially, I share this concern of inflation. It will be up to Carbine to manage the economy properly to make sure this doesn't happen. Even EVE has bot problems, and it takes good attention and enforcement by the devs to knock them out. Very valid points.
CREDD is just controlled gold selling. Rather than spend resources fighting a fultile fight against gold spammers who hack accounts and the game itself... theyd rather make them obsolete and make a healthy profit at the same time. Not to mention less bans = more subs + they can promote the system to the freeloaders, I mean F2P'ers. Its a much more efficient and proactive approach to the whole issue which I doubt will have any more of a negative impact than gold sellers wouldve had anyway.
IMO its an approach very much like what happened with alcohol and is currently happening with something else thats still against TOS to mention on a forum.
Originally posted by Prhyme The gold being spent to buy CREDD is made in game. It does not artificially pump gold into the economy.
CREDD is not tradeable. It's sold on the commodities exchange for the current going price.
Gold is not the ultimate source of power in WildStar, but more of a convenience. You cannot buy the best gear, it must be earned through playing the game.
CREDD is nothing more than advertised: it allows players who play a ton to purchase their sub with in-game gold. It allows people with less time to safely purchase gold by selling credd via the CX.
welp, that killed this thread. We can all go log back into our games of choice now!
Hardly kills the thread.
It's his opinion that CREDD will not affect the game.
Does it mean that gold is worthless? Can you not get an advantage by having more gold?
Does it not encourage more botting?
You may dismiss these concerns out of hand, but I do not.
Youre beating a dead horse man. The system supports the two forms of play: People with all the time in the world, and those that have jobs. You, I and everyone in the world knows that botters will be there no matter what. It's not up to us as players to 'fix' that issue. The best we can do is not give in to cheating. I firmly believe that those who abuse their time in-game by purchasing from gold sellers will be reckoned with accordingly. That isn't our problem. And the only way it it wont work is if the PLEXs are dirt cheap anyway. Otherwise they will be a decent gold sink for those who have all that time to save it all.
It does affect gold sellers. There will be an official way how to exchange real for ingame currency.
There will be a competition for gold seller industry - players themselves.
This is complete BS. D3 RMAH gave us enough evidence to prove that developer implemented RMT does nothing, but give 3rd party RMT the nod that it is ok to do their business.
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Yup Azzras is right. It doesn't affect the gold selling itself in any positive way.
Quite the opposite because botters can pay for their subscriptions with the money they farm ingame. (No profits for Carbine except for game sales)
However Carbine will have more incentives to kill the unofficial-RMT since they are gaining profits from RMT themselves :j
time will tell
The thing about most gold sellers, though, is they aren't actually trying to sell gold. They are attempting to hack your account.
It does affect gold sellers. There will be an official way how to exchange real for ingame currency.
There will be a competition for gold seller industry - players themselves.
and the price has to be really low to compete with the safety credd will give (no ban, no hack)
Botters could also have the opposite affect. Botters will be able to pay for CREDD, which is profit for Carbine. This will keep players that want to buy gold buying CREDD to sell to botters. Carbine gets a sub fee from both parties. If they ban the botters, less profits. If they don't ban them they get more profit, but then the botters will start to take over the game.
Not saying it will go this way, but it is plausible.
Well affect is a bad choice of word on my part.
What I meant is that the prices will be affected but there will still be the regular amount of gold farmers/botters/sellers.
Interesting idea. Botters would actually drive the prices of CREDD higher and this would make people more interested in buying CREDD from Carbine. While lower CREDD prices make gold sellers more interesting choice of RMT.
Guess we'll have to wait and see how the market adjusts 8)
Competition and legal way of gold exchange will definitely drive some gold sellers off.
This is something I didn't see in Age of Wushu nor Tera (pre-F2P). Gold sellers seem to strike every game with same sort of passion. Granted F2P games are easier to access than other titles.
Most gold sellers are in game day 1 trying to sell impossible amounts of gold, even though there is no possible way they could have accrued it.
Most are not trying to sell you gold. They are trying to hack your account. The gold prices are irrelevant to them. They could post 100k gold for $1. It doesn't matter. They want your account.
You give PLEX to much credit. I would say it's the anti-gold selling/anti-botting systems that Eve has in place that keeps them out more than PLEX.
Economy in game IS that simple really. Its about finding the right balance and having ways to get rid of extra gold in the economy. I know its baffling, but its that simple. We really don't know enough if what they are doing will be enough to keep things 'stable' yet though.
As far as Credd goes... guys... all credd does is add more game time. Its not really doing much else. Yes, you can sell it, but in the end economy wise it has 0 effect on the economy. Heck, in a way it even reduces gold in the economy with AH fees taking some of the cash. Argue "p2w" if you REALLY want (Its fair to be argued, though its not remotely as bad as the advantage in GW2 or heck Eve's system considering its a game BASED on the economy) but truthfully its not a really bad system, and its one that won't cause any 'dramatic shift' on things. Would I of added it personally? No, but its not something anyone should be that bothered by.
It's always interesting to see how people that like a game a lot will subjectively try and defend most of it's flaws. Had a similar argument when I told a friend that the game looks like a disney movie for kids to which he replied "it's stylized graphics"...yeah.
If they wanted to give ppl the option to buy sub with gold they could have just made it un-tradeable and that's that. Like it is now, it may or may not be a p2w system depending on how much stuff u can buy with gold.
I know/knew plenty (PLENTY) of people that spent $300-$500 a month on a cash shop, so trust me, there will be no shortage of people going "oh...im out of gold, let me go buy 50 CREDD". Unless, maybe there's a limit that I'm not aware of?
CREDD is not tradeable. It's sold on the commodities exchange for the current going price.
Gold is not the ultimate source of power in WildStar, but more of a convenience. You cannot buy the best gear, it must be earned through playing the game.
CREDD is nothing more than advertised: it allows players who play a ton to purchase their sub with in-game gold. It allows people with less time to safely purchase gold by selling credd via the CX.
I'm not sure if i want to buy the game. But i think the credd system is a good thing and every game should have it. actually i don't see much valid points against it...
welp, that killed this thread. We can all go log back into our games of choice now!
It's also interesting to see how when people disagree, they attack positive opinions as if they are nothing but bias with no substance. I happen to agree with your friend. I'm an artist myself and have always liked work like Joe Madureira, Randy Green, Roger Cruz, etc., and hell, even Disney art. While there are obvious parallels to Disney art (considering one of the lead artists is a Disney artist) that doesn't mean it's NOT stylized. It very much is and not everyone will dig it.
Defending the CREDD system is a solid bet as well. I played EVE for a long time and while it's not exactly the same since the economical circumstances are different, I still think it's a great system that will improve the game rather than harm it. I'm almost 33 years old and can't be on the game every day, and this opens up legitimate avenues for me in-game while allowing people with a lot more time to also benefit from it. Win/win.
Hardly kills the thread.
It's his opinion that CREDD will not affect the game.
Does it mean that gold is worthless? Can you not get an advantage by having more gold?
Does it not encourage more botting?
You may dismiss these concerns out of hand, but I do not.
Gold sellers do not artificially pump gold into the economy, but they are considered the bane of MMOs.
Gold in WS may not be the ultimate source of power, but it will give players the ability to have more power over others.
Crafting could be as simple as spending $30 to max it out.
Pots, etc., could be bought in mass...increasing the price...thus making it harder for non-CREDD buying players to attain.
Bots could actually be encouraged by the devs because they will be a good source of income. (They farm the mats and sell them at outrageous prices, players buy CREDD just to afford mats, bots buy CREDD to reduce overhead by not paying a sub.)
I'm not saying any of this will happen, but PLEASE don't just put a blindfold on and say CREDD will have zero affect on the game.
While I support the CREDD system, as I said initially, I share this concern of inflation. It will be up to Carbine to manage the economy properly to make sure this doesn't happen. Even EVE has bot problems, and it takes good attention and enforcement by the devs to knock them out. Very valid points.
IMO its an approach very much like what happened with alcohol and is currently happening with something else thats still against TOS to mention on a forum.
Youre beating a dead horse man. The system supports the two forms of play: People with all the time in the world, and those that have jobs. You, I and everyone in the world knows that botters will be there no matter what. It's not up to us as players to 'fix' that issue. The best we can do is not give in to cheating. I firmly believe that those who abuse their time in-game by purchasing from gold sellers will be reckoned with accordingly. That isn't our problem. And the only way it it wont work is if the PLEXs are dirt cheap anyway. Otherwise they will be a decent gold sink for those who have all that time to save it all.
Stop confusing facts with opinions.
This is complete BS. D3 RMAH gave us enough evidence to prove that developer implemented RMT does nothing, but give 3rd party RMT the nod that it is ok to do their business.