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F2Play and Entitlement
Sense of Entitlement - I do not want to pay but I want to have everything people that are paying have.
Get use to the idea you do not get everything that a paying customer has.
It is fair that a person who pays has an advantage, it is childlike to think otherwise.
The Past - Monthly fees for everyone who plays till the game is almost dead then they would switch to some form of F2P to keep the game going and get some new faces in hopes they might spend money.
The Future - Some type of sub fee and or cash shop that gives the paying customer a better experience but also lets the people who do not support the game financially a chance to play the game for more targets for the paying customers.
Less and less people are on the side of Free players should be totally equal to paying customers.
ArcheAge is not going to change because people who will not spend money are not happy.
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Wow. Way to jump the gun there.
People aren't even playing the game yet and you feel entitled to bashing people for their attitudes that don't even exist yet.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I agree with this. People dont want to pay, dont want others to pay to win, yet they expect games to be out there to play.
Nothing is FREE. When will people understand this.
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There have been several posts already about making sure the game is not P2W.
This group of people are very vocal and seem to be on a mission to bash any game that a paying customer has something they do not have or have to work harder to get.
Now is the exact time to bring these things up to let Trion know everyone does not support this notion.
Little forum boys with their polished cyber toys: whine whine, boo-hoo, talk talk.
That's about the height of it, particularly the last line. There's an awful lot of whining goes on in these forums about F2P and much of it is understandable tbh, but the plain truth is that the guy who pays the money, calls the shots. And if you're not parting with any cash, then games companies will feel justified in ignoring you.
So you are totally okay with p2w concept? There is nothing wrong being concern about this game going p2w... It's so much easier to make AA p2w than making standard themepark MMORPG p2w.
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While actually sorta funny, you hit the nail on the head.
I do feel entitled to more because I'm paying for the game.
Explain again why someone who pays nothing feels entitled please, I do not understand it.
Reminds me of people who do not work but want everything someone who does work.
Pay to win would imply some sort of imbalance amongst those who pay, IE a scheme that attempts to get you to keep paying to stay at the forefront.
ArcheAge has nothing like that, either you pay the subscription and get the full amount of labor points, or you don't and you get a limited amount, everyone who pays gets the same amount, everyone who does not also gets the same amount.
This isn't pay to win, it's a tiered subscription game.
It is free, yet there is also an optional subscription for the 'member' level.
It's a game that has subscribers and non subscribers, much like Twitch, sometimes the subscribers get perks.
While I'm fairly sure this was a satire post, no you cannot buy 'items' from their shop, they've actually went over a lot of what will and won't be in the shop in the live streams.
Yes and that's what the person who started the one thread was told. This thread really doesn't sit very far above the " what it costs money!!! but it says it's free to play !! " ones.
When I play FTP mmo's (Tera, Rift, swtor) I also pay the sub. and guess what, I agree that it should not be pay to win. That is the last thing I want. I don't want to 'pwn' someone because I have money and they don't. My sense of entitlement is very much kept in check. I don't have some glorified purpose of wanting to appear being better because of my cash.
So what this really boils down to is, I am very comfortable with my e-peen size.
not making a game P2W and not giving the same level of access for F2P people isn't the same thing...
You should learn the difference first and then decide what you want to write about.
P2W means that the cash shop is selling items which are really hard to get just by playing the game or impossible to get by playing the game. Something that gives the considerable advantage (by giving him huge shortcuts which defy the games design or just gives a player something that isn't accessible or obtainable trough the games content or desing).
F2P-ers are always limited to something, wether it's inventory, extend of content they can access or any of this combination is normal and it encourages the player to spend a small amount of money for upgraded version which lifts few restriction and later on if you sub or continue to spend money you get premium service (depends on the pay model ofc.) which enables you to experience the game without any walls. Now if there would be walls like - you can't get the best possible mount/armor/weapon/something without buying it for 20$ extra on cash shop (and only that way) that would be on the same level with P2W with a sub model.
Paying customers shouldn't spend more money on cash shop items and there shouldn't be anything similar to P2W in that type of sub model, which they kinda did with rift and concern is they'll slip it in AA somewhere in the future which would shatter the game, for me at least.
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All people want from a free to play / sub game is a situation where some one cannot PAY TO WIN. its PAY TO WIN most of us hate, not free to play or item malls or cash shops, those things in principle are fair its when the items being sold have a significant advantage over other players and allow them to easily defeat or achieve that people get annoyed.
Personally I will always opt for a subscription I feel that paying monthly should then entitle me to all the trims, I pick this over paying manually via a shop because it helps me balance my outgoing expenses, all to often I have played free to play games and ended up paying out crazy money on a game that normally if it had a subscription model I would'nt have come close to paying, the end result is that the developer got a burst of cash from me, but then lost me as a player when I realized how much I was spending, this is only beneficial to the developer short term, as over a longer term paying a monthly subscription they would have gained stability and a dependable income from me.
I will sub all the time now, free to play or models where players can just go mental with their money are nothing more than a money grab for the developer and as a result will always be shallow and messy.
Most just require you to pay with your time as opposed to your money.
GW2's sPvP is about the only way you can get fair PvP without P2W.
I find this post ironic. Rift has probably the best F2P system that I have ever seen. I have never seen anyone complain about the item shop in Rift. Now if this was a Perfect World game, I would be the 1st person to say "hell NO", but I just dont see Trion screwing up the cash shop.
There was a thread a few days ago here that someone said if you pay you got a +2 stat item and end game that would be the difference between him winning or losing so he was not going to play this P2W game. While this seems stupid, there are some that think that is 100 percent correct.
I used the PW2 word, it means different things to different people.
Do I think a plus 2 stat item that will be replaced before you finish leveling unfair not at all, but some will hollar P2W run for the hills.
The person who posted they do not have as much time is others so it is not fair, some people believe this to be true.
I get tired of the very Vocal minority that seem to be on a mission, we have to make sure this does not happen or it will spread.
In RU you can not own a house or land unless you sub, there are a few items you can buy in the shop that are nice but not really end game nice like a Glider or Horse, but you can get these items in game or equal ones without paying. You can buy labor pots to increase your Labor points by 500 and only use able once very four hours. I never bought one but people did and they would buy them and sell them to the F2P people for in game gold.
All these items seem reasonable to me, but soon as Trion comes out that they are doing AA for real you see a wave of people that say it can not be like it is in KR or RU or I will not play.
Trion and XLGames would not be this close to release if the tons of people from NA went and paid to play on the Russian servers. I was in a guild with over 500 people that spoke English and the majority had subbed. That was one faction on one of 22 servers.
There are a lot of people that paid 150 dollars to play in Alpha, this helps create more money, more resources, more fixes for the game. While a lot of you call it crazy to give Trion 150 dollars to play something that is FREE.
There is no FREE but there are freeloaders.
The posts I've seen have been related to Rift's cash shop having the top end PvP armor available in the cash shop. That kind of thing would break a sandbox game. It's not too surprising that people would complain about that. It has nothing to do with feeling entitled as a F2P player.
You're jumping the gun, misreading what people are saying and in a fit of irony are complaining about people feeling entitled when your post seems to stem entirely from your own sense of entitlement.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I too think you don't realise what I ( and some other posters ) mean't. Firstly charging $150 to get into an alpha all be it with 3 months subb and perks , is not a good sign for the whole industry , not one bit. Secondly I am concerned that , when the game releases that IF and it's a big IF the cash shop sells P2W items then people will be put off and the people that have spent $150 will be even more pissed off.
I have a similar issue with a game coming out on the 29th of May , I will finally be able to play PSO2 in English , but asiasoft might and again this is a big MIGHT sell P2W items in the cash shop. If so I will be not impressed at all after waiting about 2 years for the game to be in English , sounds similar to the wait you lot have had to endure to play AA.
Myself I prefer a subb over a pure F2P payment model , like another guy in this thread , I will pay a subb in freemium game always as yeah indeed the company wants to make money and I would want full access to the game. $150 gets you a whole 12 months subscription in any P2P or freemium game , so yeah it is a lot of money for 3 months play , alpha and beta.
So you are well off with what you have read into what I and many others have posted about OP. Anyway lets hope no P2W items appear in the shop. Rift selling second from top tier PVE gear isn't a good sign and now selling , is it top tier PVP gear too ? Is also not a good sign at all. Not sure where some posters get the "I think Rift's payment model is the best in the business " from at all as it is plainly not the best in the business.
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Unless they made an announcement this weekend, there is no indication that labor points wont be sold over the cash shop. There are potions available in other regions and its unlikely they wont make there way here in some form.
Every MMO any of you guys have ever played was P2W to some degree.
The person who pays someone to level his character for him.
The person who buys gold from a gold farmer so he can buy better gear.
Rift's Diamonds can be bought then sold on the auction house for gold.
But some people want nothing of any value in the cash shop, no real reward for being a sub because then it would be P2W.
I would rather the company get the money in a legitimate transaction, than the gold farmer.