That's such a blanket and generalized response to a whole genre of games. It would seem that you've decided that these game designers are simply cranking out a patterned game simply for the profit. While profit is definitely involved, I would challenge anyone to obtain a statement from a developer quoting them as saying "I did it for the money". I've seen lack luster games and games with real moxie, and all of them have a passionate group of developers that genuinely love the genre as a common thread. When it comes to ESO or W*, the only truly sour and unsettling position I've seen is directly from the fans who demand THEIR game be made THEIR way.
What other than profit motive can possibly explain how every AAA game that comes out is formulaic? Honestly, I can understand that some people see slight changes here and there as innovation, because there has been so little innovation in the space that players can't even imagine what it would look like anymore. Age of Wushu was the MMO that actually opened my eyes to the fact that the only thing that makes a game a MMO is the fact that thousands of players are playing online together in a persistent world. But all the rest is entirely up to the developers. AoW rewrote so many rules I had to relearn how to play a MMO. Most AAA MMOs I know how to play them out of the gate because each one plays more or less exactly like every game before them.
There isn't much innovation, which means either the genre just doesn't have room for further innovation, or AAA companies are under too much financial pressure to take risks. I would suggest the situation is the latter! I think the last thing a AAA developer wants is a game that is difficult and requires effort to learn. They want games that are simple, not because that will guarantee long term commitment from players, but because it will guarantee that those players will at least buy the box.
IMHO IP that allready exist allways have a bigger group of ppl hating the game, because they love the other games from same ip and then get mad with the new one.
ESO sufering with this, theres alot of ppl that love elder scrolls single player games and then didnt like ESO, so they scream their hate on forums. Same hapened with SWTOR, especially the SWG fans, even in last Diablo hapened the same think.
Wildstart is not connect with a existence ip, there allways be ppl talk bad about the game but never with a dimension of old IPs like ESO and SWTOR.
I dont play any games that i mentioned, just my personal opinion about OP question.
SWTOR suffered because it really failed to deliver in many respects. It is true that those fanatical followers of whatever IP or Lore there is for a game will have the most visceral reactions for or against how such a game was implemented but there were many flaws with SWTOR that everything was very muddled together.
ESO story was, for me at least, intriguing. The Berlin Wall for me was when you hit VR1 the game essentially ends, in respect to the story except your still cut off from the top tier content like competitive PvP and adventure zones (not 100% on the adventure zone thing) along with a horrendous grind for 10 more levels which aren't called levels which is just a massive deception.
Veteran Ranks is, what I believe, going to be the major Achilles Heel of this game in the next month or two. There just isn't any reason for what they have done with the last 10 levels of character progression.
I agree Quesa, fix this and ESO will be my game of choice for a long time. I Think the adventure zone will be better than Wildstar' raiding endgame. However, if they don't fix it, I will play the main storyline and quit ESO. I don't want to grind quests after lvl 50. I want other ways to level to VR10
Now Playing: Bless / Summoners War Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
Wildstar is pretty much doomed at the moment. One of the worst forms of publicity is no publicity at all, and right now it has very little publicity. The fact we are talking about right now is a boon to the game as it sticks this thread on the front page of MMORPG.com for a few precious seconds.
There was much I liked about Wildstar and it looks pretty good cranked up. FPS was horrid in cases tho. I'm very interested to see it's progression tho I will not likely preorder.
Elder Scrolls get a lot and it is merited in ways but maybe not to the degree it's represented here or anywhere,for that matter. It's not like its the only forum for trashing games and ESO is definitely not alone in the dumpster into which many have seemed to have it lay.
I think every game I've ever read about has haters. Not sure why, especially these days with the seemingly endless avenues of entertainment and gaming alone with which to travel. Instead many...perhaps too many... are content to stay close..so as not to miss anyone who might have missed their rabid disdain for a game they will never play again...or maybe never even played at all outside of the time they got a free access with a beta key giveaway.
In the case of of ESO ..Anyone who thinks that any SPG like ESO is going to translate to an MMO format as anything more than similar names, lore, environment and some limited form of game mechanics from the originals is frankly....delusional. And that's putting it kindly really.
played wow for 4 years, i played the wildstar weekends beta. Its wow in space, and well its same graphics style as wow.
i think ill pass on this, if i wanted to play wow again it would have to be warlords of draenor and not wildstar. Theonly difference between this and wow is combat system, but its not enough for me.
This game is getting almost no attention, far less than ESO anyway. It's now not far off release and still almost no interest at all.
A lot of the complaints aimed at ESO affect this game too, so do you think this game will fare better or worse? One of the main reasons I initially wanted to play the game was the updated wow style characters, now that wow is updating all their models that seems less of a pull though.
So yes, will it get as much hatred or just go almost unnoticed?
Not really Elder Scrolls had a pre built fan bas which meant it had a massive wall of over the top expectation to overcome. People who wanted it to be just like the ;Skyrim game (with all their favorite mods already added).
The fans who wanted it to go one direction are furious it didnt. These are the ones who wanted it to be open world with free for all PvP. Then there are the ones who wanted it to be open world PvE focused. There were those who liked the direction it took and then there were those who just liked it because it was a new Elder Scrolls game.
The F2P lobbyists versus the subscription traditionalists again fans on both sides one wanting to have the basic I bought the game now I can play it just like I can with any other Elder Scrolls game against the you need to subscribe to keep it living crowd.
Basically the reason Wildstar doesnt have the level of venom is because it doesnt have an already established fanbase it so it has to live or die on its own merits. The good part of this is it won't have to overcome a massive layer of expectation so will b free to determine its own path with out the foaming at the mouth nerd rage the ESO is encountering. On the bad side it needs to promote itself and get peoples interest or it will just sink without a ripple.
This game is getting almost no attention, far less than ESO anyway. It's now not far off release and still almost no interest at all.
A lot of the complaints aimed at ESO affect this game too, so do you think this game will fare better or worse? One of the main reasons I initially wanted to play the game was the updated wow style characters, now that wow is updating all their models that seems less of a pull though.
So yes, will it get as much hatred or just go almost unnoticed?
Not really Elder Scrolls had a pre built fan bas which meant it had a massive wall of over the top expectation to overcome. People who wanted it to be just like the ;Skyrim game (with all their favorite mods already added).
The fans who wanted it to go one direction are furious it didnt. These are the ones who wanted it to be open world with free for all PvP. Then there are the ones who wanted it to be open world PvE focused. There were those who liked the direction it took and then there were those who just liked it because it was a new Elder Scrolls game.
The F2P lobbyists versus the subscription traditionalists again fans on both sides one wanting to have the basic I bought the game now I can play it just like I can with any other Elder Scrolls game against the you need to subscribe to keep it living crowd.
Basically the reason Wildstar doesnt have the level of venom is because it doesnt have an already established fanbase it so it has to live or die on its own merits. The good part of this is it won't have to overcome a massive layer of expectation so will b free to determine its own path with out the foaming at the mouth nerd rage the ESO is encountering. On the bad side it needs to promote itself and get peoples interest or it will just sink without a ripple.
it didnt play like skyrim. im a fan of skyrim. i watched the stream of eso, didnt buy into the hype because of its name.
Wildstar will ultimately end up with every other themepark in the f2p graveyard. It's your typical WoW-clone with slight variations on combat systems. Unfortunately the variations this time around aren't even good, telegraphs out the *** aren't exactly innovative.
Originally posted by Vapors It does not get much attention, but I often read things like "stupid gold spammers in ESO, I go wildstar" lol
And anyone thinking wildstar won't have it's share of bots, gold-spammers, exploiters etc. are highly delusional
I think it doesn't get attention is because people who've tried it either don't care enough to even comment on it (like moi) and those who absolutely ravingly love it and are ignoring everything about the game because of the excitement.
played wow for 4 years, i played the wildstar weekends beta. Its wow in space, and well its same graphics style as wow.
i think ill pass on this, if i wanted to play wow again it would have to be warlords of draenor and not wildstar. Theonly difference between this and wow is combat system, but its not enough for me.
Get past level 20 and do your first dungeon you will eat them words. Try crafting? Housing? Warplots? This game is far from a WoW clone.
Originally posted by Vapors It does not get much attention, but I often read things like "stupid gold spammers in ESO, I go wildstar" lol
And anyone thinking wildstar won't have it's share of bots, gold-spammers, exploiters etc. are highly delusional
I think it doesn't get attention is because people who've tried it either don't care enough to even comment on it (like moi) and those who absolutely ravingly love it and are ignoring everything about the game because of the excitement.
How people think that all new MMOs wont have the new MMO problems makes me wonder. Its the same group of people that rage quit 4-8 weeks after launch over the same new MMO problems. If they bug you that much wait 3-6 months to buy the game when they get things under control like the gold sellers who will flood the market. You think we have not been MMOing for 15 years.
Will it gather the hatred that ESO has? Sure it will. Why wouldn't it? Every other game goes through the same thing.
Wildstar isn't unnoticed, it's just not released yet. I can assure you that everyone will be playing it when it releases and that they will immediately give their opinions of it once they do.
It's an absolute certainty that Wildstar will be the topic of the hour once it officially goes live.
If you are concerned, you aren't paying attention.
Wildstar is an amazing game, there are alot of people who plan on playing at release, if you don't know anyone, then you should definitely give open beta a try once they start. The game is fun, hard but in a good way, and I have to say, I have never enjoyed dying to a dungeon boss before.
There are mobs in the world that would be hard pressed to solo, and at times it would be difficult to duo. The game is amazing, however, I think everyone who tries it needs to try it til at least 15. Every class is fun to play, with no overwhelming advantage in pvp. Carbine has been on top of bugs with each patch, and this last patch was almost bug free. And the few bugs I did find, were miniscule at best, and no where near game breaking.
I don't know how long I will be playing ESO, it's a daily battle not to quit, but for good or bad it has ruined tab targeting for me and for that reason, this game is a pass for me.
I played this weekend, long long long gaming sessions with every class except one. I could not put the game down. "I enjoyed it" is an understatement. My recent experience was a complete about face from the last time I gave Wildstar beta a chance back in February. Combat clicked with me this time around, it's really unique in a good way. Going to preorder so I can be there for headstart.
I hope they can fix some of the issues/bugs that some experienced over the weekend. I had hardly any issues myself. It seemed most people I interacted with were having a good time too.
It's a much more complete...and IMO just a better game than ESO....so I think it will do fine.
ESO's combat is the worst I have ever played. It is not fun in anyway. I bought ESO...played it for less than 5 total hours and was immediately disappointed and wanted a refund. I tried to get one and couldn't, and I haven't logged into ESO since. It just not fun.
Wildstar on the other hand has been much more fun...and its still in beta. I have actually cut myself off from the beta so I can still save some things for launch.
I know everyone has their opinions...but to me ESO was a piece of garbage. It was not worth the 48 bucks I paid for it..and I would rather spend 15 bucks a month on a root canal than ever play it again. Wildstar is fun, the combat is unique and exciting, and I can't wait to play it more.
ESO is going to have a TON of players that are sick of that game by the time June comes around. Wildstar fans will of course get in early...but you will also see a lot of people pick up the game for Summer....and they will get hooked.
Lol, because you hate it , its a piece of trash, awesome, you have no idea what good work is for one, I dislike games all the time, Wild Star is one of them, so should I says its piece of trash no? Because its not.
You sir like WOW and Guild War games, that's a style, you can't handle realism, and that is a style.. And we as players will not get sick of ESO by June, because we love ESO to much, the crafting is way better than any MMO on the market right now, the game is full of quests and awesome lore, and all the new stuff with horse racing on the way and 12 ,man I can't wait.
Wild Star is stupid for doing 40 man raids, they will never fill them, the game is NOT WOW, and even WOW did not lile 40 mans that's why they got rid of them, that's a bad move to do 40 man raids for a game that is not that popular.
Maybe one or two guilds will do them and everyone will be forced to join crappy big guilds and then quit.
No, it won't..and it doesn't deserve to either; And this coming from a non supporter mind you
- They have been pretty damn transparent about what they are up to
- They are a lot more direct (in terms of communication) and honest than -any-, any of their counterparts in other companies, be it in PR, dev blogs, whatever
What is sad is that so much effort, time, and what it relates to in capital went to a remaking of an early 2000 concept. I could give you today's technology, machinery and engineers, and you have you go back in time and craft me a "new" Model A Ford. Could be done. Only problem is, why would would i want to buy it today..
played wow for 4 years, i played the wildstar weekends beta. Its wow in space, and well its same graphics style as wow.
i think ill pass on this, if i wanted to play wow again it would have to be warlords of draenor and not wildstar. Theonly difference between this and wow is combat system, but its not enough for me.
Get past level 20 and do your first dungeon you will eat them words. Try crafting? Housing? Warplots? This game is far from a WoW clone.
Completely agree. Once I played my first dungeon I was pretty much sold on this game.
However, he is correct to some degree. Wildstar doesn't try to reinvent the entire wheel with some big-name IP. Instead it takes that wheel and makes it better. I think it is for the best that Wildstar doesn't have some huge following, it sets mmo's up for failure from the very start....oh...and a world of disappointment.
played wow for 4 years, i played the wildstar weekends beta. Its wow in space, and well its same graphics style as wow.
i think ill pass on this, if i wanted to play wow again it would have to be warlords of draenor and not wildstar. Theonly difference between this and wow is combat system, but its not enough for me.
Get past level 20 and do your first dungeon you will eat them words. Try crafting? Housing? Warplots? This game is far from a WoW clone.
Completely agree. Once I played my first dungeon I was pretty much sold on this game.
However, he is correct to some degree. Wildstar doesn't try to reinvent the entire wheel with some big-name IP. Instead it takes that wheel and makes it better. I think it is for the best that Wildstar doesn't have some huge following, it sets mmo's up for failure from the very start....oh...and a world of disappointment.
Well, surprise surprise... World of Warcraft also didn't try to reinvent much when they launched in 2004. In fact, I remember that everyone was expecting Everquest 2 to be the awesome new MMO that everyone would play, with super-realistic graphics, a new anti-kill-stealing combat system, and a crazy in-depth crafting system. Most people were thinking World of Warcraft would be fun and cute, but not a serious contender.
Fast forward 10 years. The Elder Scrolls Online was expected to be the awesome new MMO that everyone would play, with super-realistic graphics, a new action combat system, and enough Skyrim to make everyone happy. Most people were thinking Wildstar would be funa dn cute, but not a serious contender...
wildstar is everything eso and tortanic should have been hands down. just about everyone i talk to loves the game the only game i can see giving wildstar any kinda run for it's money is wow and eve.
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What other than profit motive can possibly explain how every AAA game that comes out is formulaic? Honestly, I can understand that some people see slight changes here and there as innovation, because there has been so little innovation in the space that players can't even imagine what it would look like anymore. Age of Wushu was the MMO that actually opened my eyes to the fact that the only thing that makes a game a MMO is the fact that thousands of players are playing online together in a persistent world. But all the rest is entirely up to the developers. AoW rewrote so many rules I had to relearn how to play a MMO. Most AAA MMOs I know how to play them out of the gate because each one plays more or less exactly like every game before them.
There isn't much innovation, which means either the genre just doesn't have room for further innovation, or AAA companies are under too much financial pressure to take risks. I would suggest the situation is the latter! I think the last thing a AAA developer wants is a game that is difficult and requires effort to learn. They want games that are simple, not because that will guarantee long term commitment from players, but because it will guarantee that those players will at least buy the box.
I agree Quesa, fix this and ESO will be my game of choice for a long time. I Think the adventure zone will be better than Wildstar' raiding endgame. However, if they don't fix it, I will play the main storyline and quit ESO. I don't want to grind quests after lvl 50. I want other ways to level to VR10
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
Probably. Always enough haters on the forums.
There was much I liked about Wildstar and it looks pretty good cranked up. FPS was horrid in cases tho. I'm very interested to see it's progression tho I will not likely preorder.
Elder Scrolls get a lot and it is merited in ways but maybe not to the degree it's represented here or anywhere,for that matter. It's not like its the only forum for trashing games and ESO is definitely not alone in the dumpster into which many have seemed to have it lay.
I think every game I've ever read about has haters. Not sure why, especially these days with the seemingly endless avenues of entertainment and gaming alone with which to travel. Instead many...perhaps too many... are content to stay close..so as not to miss anyone who might have missed their rabid disdain for a game they will never play again...or maybe never even played at all outside of the time they got a free access with a beta key giveaway.
In the case of of ESO ..Anyone who thinks that any SPG like ESO is going to translate to an MMO format as anything more than similar names, lore, environment and some limited form of game mechanics from the originals is frankly....delusional. And that's putting it kindly really.
played wow for 4 years, i played the wildstar weekends beta. Its wow in space, and well its same graphics style as wow.
i think ill pass on this, if i wanted to play wow again it would have to be warlords of draenor and not wildstar. Theonly difference between this and wow is combat system, but its not enough for me.
Not really Elder Scrolls had a pre built fan bas which meant it had a massive wall of over the top expectation to overcome. People who wanted it to be just like the ;Skyrim game (with all their favorite mods already added).
The fans who wanted it to go one direction are furious it didnt. These are the ones who wanted it to be open world with free for all PvP. Then there are the ones who wanted it to be open world PvE focused. There were those who liked the direction it took and then there were those who just liked it because it was a new Elder Scrolls game.
The F2P lobbyists versus the subscription traditionalists again fans on both sides one wanting to have the basic I bought the game now I can play it just like I can with any other Elder Scrolls game against the you need to subscribe to keep it living crowd.
Basically the reason Wildstar doesnt have the level of venom is because it doesnt have an already established fanbase it so it has to live or die on its own merits. The good part of this is it won't have to overcome a massive layer of expectation so will b free to determine its own path with out the foaming at the mouth nerd rage the ESO is encountering. On the bad side it needs to promote itself and get peoples interest or it will just sink without a ripple.
it didnt play like skyrim. im a fan of skyrim. i watched the stream of eso, didnt buy into the hype because of its name.
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And anyone thinking wildstar won't have it's share of bots, gold-spammers, exploiters etc. are highly delusional
I think it doesn't get attention is because people who've tried it either don't care enough to even comment on it (like moi) and those who absolutely ravingly love it and are ignoring everything about the game because of the excitement.
As an amendment to by previously haunting statement...
WildStar Ad on the MMORPG.com backdrop! Finally, no more League of Angels ad!
Get past level 20 and do your first dungeon you will eat them words. Try crafting? Housing? Warplots? This game is far from a WoW clone.
How people think that all new MMOs wont have the new MMO problems makes me wonder. Its the same group of people that rage quit 4-8 weeks after launch over the same new MMO problems. If they bug you that much wait 3-6 months to buy the game when they get things under control like the gold sellers who will flood the market. You think we have not been MMOing for 15 years.
Will it gather the hatred that ESO has? Sure it will. Why wouldn't it? Every other game goes through the same thing.
Wildstar isn't unnoticed, it's just not released yet. I can assure you that everyone will be playing it when it releases and that they will immediately give their opinions of it once they do.
It's an absolute certainty that Wildstar will be the topic of the hour once it officially goes live.
If you are concerned, you aren't paying attention.
Wildstar is an amazing game, there are alot of people who plan on playing at release, if you don't know anyone, then you should definitely give open beta a try once they start. The game is fun, hard but in a good way, and I have to say, I have never enjoyed dying to a dungeon boss before.
There are mobs in the world that would be hard pressed to solo, and at times it would be difficult to duo. The game is amazing, however, I think everyone who tries it needs to try it til at least 15. Every class is fun to play, with no overwhelming advantage in pvp. Carbine has been on top of bugs with each patch, and this last patch was almost bug free. And the few bugs I did find, were miniscule at best, and no where near game breaking.
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Cant see my self playing game.
When i first time heard/saw WS years ago, i was exited and interested. but now... nah, just too late and same old.
I played this weekend, long long long gaming sessions with every class except one. I could not put the game down. "I enjoyed it" is an understatement. My recent experience was a complete about face from the last time I gave Wildstar beta a chance back in February. Combat clicked with me this time around, it's really unique in a good way. Going to preorder so I can be there for headstart.
I hope they can fix some of the issues/bugs that some experienced over the weekend. I had hardly any issues myself. It seemed most people I interacted with were having a good time too.
Lol, because you hate it , its a piece of trash, awesome, you have no idea what good work is for one, I dislike games all the time, Wild Star is one of them, so should I says its piece of trash no? Because its not.
You sir like WOW and Guild War games, that's a style, you can't handle realism, and that is a style.. And we as players will not get sick of ESO by June, because we love ESO to much, the crafting is way better than any MMO on the market right now, the game is full of quests and awesome lore, and all the new stuff with horse racing on the way and 12 ,man I can't wait.
Wild Star is stupid for doing 40 man raids, they will never fill them, the game is NOT WOW, and even WOW did not lile 40 mans that's why they got rid of them, that's a bad move to do 40 man raids for a game that is not that popular.
Maybe one or two guilds will do them and everyone will be forced to join crappy big guilds and then quit.
No, it won't..and it doesn't deserve to either; And this coming from a non supporter mind you
- They have been pretty damn transparent about what they are up to
- They are a lot more direct (in terms of communication) and honest than -any-, any of their counterparts in other companies, be it in PR, dev blogs, whatever
What is sad is that so much effort, time, and what it relates to in capital went to a remaking of an early 2000 concept. I could give you today's technology, machinery and engineers, and you have you go back in time and craft me a "new" Model A Ford. Could be done. Only problem is, why would would i want to buy it today..
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Completely agree. Once I played my first dungeon I was pretty much sold on this game.
However, he is correct to some degree. Wildstar doesn't try to reinvent the entire wheel with some big-name IP. Instead it takes that wheel and makes it better. I think it is for the best that Wildstar doesn't have some huge following, it sets mmo's up for failure from the very start....oh...and a world of disappointment.
Well, surprise surprise... World of Warcraft also didn't try to reinvent much when they launched in 2004. In fact, I remember that everyone was expecting Everquest 2 to be the awesome new MMO that everyone would play, with super-realistic graphics, a new anti-kill-stealing combat system, and a crazy in-depth crafting system. Most people were thinking World of Warcraft would be fun and cute, but not a serious contender.
Fast forward 10 years. The Elder Scrolls Online was expected to be the awesome new MMO that everyone would play, with super-realistic graphics, a new action combat system, and enough Skyrim to make everyone happy. Most people were thinking Wildstar would be funa dn cute, but not a serious contender...