If youve never played an MMORPG before it might seem kinda cool, but after playing more than 10 MMORPGs at the time (im now on #20) its the WORST pile of steaming poo Ive ever encountered. I want my frikkin money back.
Originally posted by ramadin If youve never played an MMORPG before it might seem kinda cool, but after playing more than 10 MMORPGs at the time (im now on #20) its the WORST pile of steaming poo Ive ever encountered. I want my frikkin money back.
And I want my money back for watching all three latest Star Wars movies,Saw 2 and the Passion of the Christ.
You forgot one major downside to the game: The Japanese factor.. the majority of people playing it (at least back when I usd to play) were from japan and spoke very little english, and worse yet: most of them would refuse to group with Americans because they catagorized us all as bad players. So combine the fact that you have to group to do ANYTHING, with the fact that the majority of the player base doesn't want to group with you (and even if they did, communication is hard relying totally on a bad translator) and the result is, the game is not fun. If they made all classes able to solo and added some meaningful PvP, it might be worth playing, but not in its current state.
Originally posted by Introspectre You forgot one major downside to the game: The Japanese factor.. the majority of people playing it (at least back when I usd to play) were from japan and spoke very little english, and worse yet: most of them would refuse to group with Americans because they catagorized us all as bad players. So combine the fact that you have to group to do ANYTHING, with the fact that the majority of the player base doesn't want to group with you (and even if they did, communication is hard relying totally on a bad translator) and the result is, the game is not fun. If they made all classes able to solo and added some meaningful PvP, it might be worth playing, but not in its current state.
First off u don't know what u r talking about. The Japanese don't concider US and EU players as bad. They just don't speak our language and they find it hard to adapt to. Second I've been in a few jap pts through auto-translate and everything was fine. Why the hell is everyone trying to find a reason to call FFXI bad? Do u have a grudge against the game and/or its players? Or r u so stuck up with ur own game that u decided to display ur fantasy-driven superiority? Talk about ur OWN game in its OWN forum and stop critisizing cause the ppl in this forum find FFXI fun and we have no reason to justify to anyone. U played it or tried it and didn't like it: GOOD 4 U! Congrats! A failed experiment. Get over it! Play WoW or anything else u concider fun. It is pointless to come into another game's forum and say it sucks. I can't find any reason for anyone at anytime to do things like that other than "too much time in their hands" or some kind of superiority complex.
Originally posted by Owiran If any game sucks then it is WoW, I never got bored with a game faster than that.
Hmm that must be why more people play it than any other MMORPG. Whatever, keep telling yourselves that FFXI is really a good game, fanbois.
In the USA, right now before some major releases, correct. Not world wide. Heck NW2, PSU, and a few otehr key games will most likely splinter the current "hard-core" "highend" players from WoW. Fun game for what it is, but rapid character growth to 60 then nothing is killing it for many players who are now just waiting for another option. I finally got fed up today and repurchased FFXI because I was tired of the instant gratification base of WoW. I never really felt like I accomplished anything after having 4 servers with 60s running raid content on farm mode and a 60 on an new RP-PvP server where no one RPs.
HItting 100 crafting skill is something in FFXI, or ranking up through missions. FFXI is not for everyone, but don't post false "facts".
Yes you have to work for EVERYTHING in ffxi. Nothing is handed to you. You start out with ten gil and a slap on the ass. Those who welcome a good challenge will love it, for people like the OP, well, there's always WoW.
Originally posted by Owiran If any game sucks then it is WoW, I never got bored with a game faster than that.
Hmm that must be why more people play it than any other MMORPG. Whatever, keep telling yourselves that FFXI is really a good game, fanbois.
In the USA, right now before some major releases, correct. Not world wide. Heck NW2, PSU, and a few otehr key games will most likely splinter the current "hard-core" "highend" players from WoW. Fun game for what it is, but rapid character growth to 60 then nothing is killing it for many players who are now just waiting for another option. I finally got fed up today and repurchased FFXI because I was tired of the instant gratification base of WoW. I never really felt like I accomplished anything after having 4 servers with 60s running raid content on farm mode and a 60 on an new RP-PvP server where no one RPs.
HItting 100 crafting skill is something in FFXI, or ranking up through missions. FFXI is not for everyone, but don't post false "facts".
OK ill put it into words you can understand. WoW has a much bigger player base than FFXI, which is really the only point that needed to be made.
Originally posted by ramadin OK ill put it into words you can understand. WoW has a much bigger player base than FFXI, which is really the only point that needed to be made.
It isn't words I need to understand. You still don't seem to realize why which game has a larger place base in any area even matters when choosing a game. As long as it is still being supported for play then people should play games they like. Tons of people play any graphics based MMORPG compared to any single text MUD, it doesn't mean it is better.
This isn't highschool the popular title isn't the best because it is popular, that isn't good enough for the majority of players. Honestly the same people who complain X game isn't this or that are the ones who jump ship for the next popular game.
The MMO market is very niche right now, and few people are playing games they love, most are playing games they like or have friends playing. WoW is for those who like constant battling. FFXI for story, crafting, and a less chaotic experience. DOaC for epic PvP. DDO for those that want short directed play. Is one really better than the others? only in opinion.
Anyone can list a bunch of reasons not to play a specific game and make the game sound hideously bad. Lots of people can list glimmering reviews saying why a game is the best, both skills are called advertising and have little basis in reality but a strong foot in attempting to propel an id.
I was Melko a Mithra thief on the Alexander server. I bought FFXI the day it came out and was lucky enough to come acrossed a foreigner whom helped me 'power-level' to 5 my first day. After that i grew with the rest of the States players and eventually found myself at 30 got ninja because i was lucky enuff to find a second high level foreigner to help me out. but the ninja quests were extremely tough i tool my first break to play some console games for a few months. I played for nearly 2 years before i took my first break. the reasons for my intermission were, coincidently, some of the same that are posted over all of your takes. After coming back from my break i decided i'd be a dragoon and sub theif so that i may beable to solo, and in a small, small way i could. i got theif and dragoon to 35 and ninja to 20, somehow w/o any ninjitsu scrolls..... btw everyone hated me as a nin. Eventually i took my second and permanent break, because after coming back i found that all the players at my level now were very unpersonable, no one could form a good party and most didn't even take the time to figure out how to skill chain. this experience was a fraction of what it was when the game was new and 'hot'.
Now, still a HUGE fan of the FF series, i come to your threads to see what's going on with the game. what's changed for better or worse. and honestly this was my first and only MMORPG and it has a place in my heart, much like Secret of Mana for the SNES. So i didnt' come to bash, i love FF, and i wish i was still playing, but i know the game is difficult. My prob. was i over extended myself, once i'd acheived ninja i also started to craft and, chose goldsmithing and next thing i knew i spent 100,000 and had a crafting level of 10...... 10 are u shitting me. so if i started over i wouldn't craft at all.
that's my take, hopefully i didnt piss anyone off, i was just being honest
OK ill put it into words you can understand. WoW has a much bigger player base than FFXI, which is really the only point that needed to be made.
It isn't words I need to understand. You still don't seem to realize why which game has a larger place base in any area even matters when choosing a game. As long as it is still being supported for play then people should play games they like. Tons of people play any graphics based MMORPG compared to any single text MUD, it doesn't mean it is better.
This isn't highschool the popular title isn't the best because it is popular, that isn't good enough for the majority of players. Honestly the same people who complain X game isn't this or that are the ones who jump ship for the next popular game.
The MMO market is very niche right now, and few people are playing games they love, most are playing games they like or have friends playing. WoW is for those who like constant battling. FFXI for story, crafting, and a less chaotic experience. DOaC for epic PvP. DDO for those that want short directed play. Is one really better than the others? only in opinion.
Anyone can list a bunch of reasons not to play a specific game and make the game sound hideously bad. Lots of people can list glimmering reviews saying why a game is the best, both skills are called advertising and have little basis in reality but a strong foot in attempting to propel an id.
Yes its surely less chaotic, AKA standing around waiting, waiting for mobs to spawn, waiting for groups etc. The downtime in this game is what kills it. More people believe WOW to be a good game than do FFXI. Therefore, more people play it. (I dont even play WOW anymore, but I believe its a much better game)
Almost everything Ramadin wrote in his original posts may very well be true, but I would much rather play FFXI than World of Warcraft.
Hardcore is always better than a mmorpg that a monkey can play. I was thinking of getting back into FFXI after trying out the Xbox 360 beta, but I have been reminded why I quit a long time ago after reading some posts here.
Hey, i played on the Titan server just over a year ago and am thinking of getting back into it, but is the economy really THAT messed up from gil sellers, so that buying basic whm and blm spells and decent armor/ weapons is too expensive? I remember that i was able to buy what i needed after spending a few hours hunting silk worms, do u think ill still be able to do that?
10. Waiting. Anything you do you have to wait. If I'm going to do a quest I have to wait 4 hours for a boss monster to spawn. If I attack a prime like Shiva and I die. I have to wait one real life day till I can attack it again. If I want to take an airship I have to wait 11 minutes for it to come. If I want to get some exp I have to wait and form a party then we could have 5 people waiting to party but then we need a 6th person but we can never find one. ------------------ 4 hours? realy? What's that boss?
9. Pvp Worst pvp I have ever seen. The pvp is city verse city team style. So lets say 12 Bastok people show up and 18 Sandorians show up. Itll be 12 verses 18. So no matter what you do youll lose. Their is no FFA pvp its all team based. I could be owning some Taru then 3 of his buddies will come up from behind and kill me. Theirs no point in doing pvp. If you win you get a small amount of Gil. Blms own pvp, since everyone is close too each other. Only thing a blm has to do is cast sleepga and enfeeble his enemies then pick them off one by one. ------------------ Agree
8. Exp and death penalty Only class that can solo in ff is the beast master. So any other class needs a party to get exp. After level 60 it takes about 3 hours to get a party, for others its 7 or 8 hours. Once you start the party what usually happens is someone has to go or someone gets agro from a monster and dies or your party members suck. Then if you die and usually when you die their isnt a priest with raise 2 around, so when you respawn you lose 3k exp. 3k exp takes about one hour and 30 minutes to get, since most parties suck. ------------------ Uhm, can its admin change it?
7. Genkai Genkai is a like a limit break that lets you level higher. Like the level cap with out genkai is level 50. To get 55 you have to do genkai 1 witch is hard for most people. Thats why most people quit ff at level 50. I have met so many people who have quit ff just because of that. Its some stupid square scheme of making you go to high level areas and hunt for some rare rare rare item that takes for ever to get and is almost impossible to do with level 50's. Its completely pointless and stupid its just another thing that makes you play long so they can collect their monthly fees. You have to do this stupid quest every 5 levels after 50. ------------------ Each game has it own F.
6. Crafting God where do I begin. First of all you lose so much money crafting because of the ****d up econ (ill get to that later). Then once you get the items to make the item you want to make. You have to wait till its the day in the game day that coincides with the crystal that makes the item. So if I make an item with a fire crystal on waters day ill probably fail. Failing god do I hate failing, back in the day I thought it was ok, but once you get 100k items to make some big thing and you fail and lose the items you hate it. Leveling up crafting is retarded; you have to buy all the materials then sit there making the same item over and over again. You can be a level 90 crafter and still lose money; in any other game you would be loaded.
5. Magic scrolls You have to buy magic to be able to use. When your level 20 you barely have any money as a blm and the sad part is most of the scrolls you need are 20k plus. Then when you hit 50 ancient magic is like 100k plus a scroll. That you barely use, but you need em because people always ask you to use em. They should have made it so you learn skills not having to buy them as a mage.
4. AF The worst idea I have ever seen in a mmorpg, wait actually one of the worst ideas. AF is this armor that makes you look like your job in classic ff job specific armor. Like my blm looks like a traditional blm with it on. Well to get any of it done you need 18 people you need to go to some smacked up area with mobs who are level 70 plus and shit. Sit there for 5 hours killing mobs till it drops the key, and then find the box witch takes another 4 hours. Then you have to fight notorious monsters that usually kill 6 people who are in your alliance. Then the af doesnt even give you good stats thats the worst, like my body af gives me vit plus 1 when Im a god damn blm.
3. Crabs Crabs crabs crabs crabs. You kill the same monster for the whole entire game practically. I killed crabs in south gustaberg, crabs in vulkurm dunes, crabs in quifim, crabs in kuftal tunnel, and crabs in the boyhoda tree. Constantly crabs at least they could change the color or something but no same model but with a different name.
2. Shitty point less jobs that can be replaced by other jobs and race specific stats. Ok first of all here are the crappy jobs in ff11 Dragoon, summoner and ninja. Why? You ask heres why. Ninja is a poor mans paladin, ninja cant hold agro and if he gets hit 2 or 3 times hes ****d. Ok he has his powders but once they run out hes screwed. If I cast stone 1 I get agro with a ninja, agro is when the monster comes to you and attacks you. Dragoon he does shitty damage and is out classed by all damage dealers. Summoner is just a whm basically, you get him in your party for heals. His summons are worthless. Are you kidding me jwbxx summoners did so much damage in all the other ff's. Nope sorry my blm can out damage a summoner any day. I have seen all the summons die to crabs and other crappy shit. Race specific stats omg so pointless. See in any other game if I sucked at hp but had tons of int it would affect me. Because I could own in damage but once I get hit Im ****d. Not in ff11 since everything so party related the party makes up for your weakness. So their is no point in being a Hume since every other race can do your job better. Like Im a blm Hume but a Taru blm has 200 more mp and like 20 more int. He has shit hp, but since you never solo in ff the party can protect him. So thats how Humes ability to be good in everything and not suck in anything is negated.
1. Auction house system omg worst idea. This is how the ah system works. You put something up for sale a bidding price, if someone matches it or exceed it you get the Gil for the item. Sounds good right? Nope. Some dick see's that I put up 5 dark steel swords for 35k each, but since he has no patience he decides to sell his for 34k. Next guy sees that and sells his for 33k, and lower and lower the price goes. So then that hurts the crafters. It ends up that the materials are worth more then the final product. Thats why the ah system sucks.
"3. Crabs Crabs crabs crabs crabs. You kill the same monster for the whole entire game practically. I killed crabs in south gustaberg, crabs in vulkurm dunes, crabs in quifim, crabs in kuftal tunnel, and crabs in the boyhoda tree. Constantly crabs at least they could change the color or something but no same model but with a different name."
This is another thing that totally kills FFXI. GET SOME GOD DAMN NEW MOBS!!!! God, i got so tired of killing a goblin, another goblin, a goblin with a bad attitude, a goblin with a stick, etc etc. Its so retarded, no variety in this game whatsoever.
Originally posted by duhe Hey, i played on the Titan server just over a year ago and am thinking of getting back into it, but is the economy really THAT messed up from gil sellers, so that buying basic whm and blm spells and decent armor/ weapons is too expensive? I remember that i was able to buy what i needed after spending a few hours hunting silk worms, do u think ill still be able to do that?
I am playing the Xbox 360 Beta and yes, after hunting for a while, I earned enough Gil to purchase my beginner level Whm spells, but I don't know how it's going to be later on.
I think it is a whole different situation on the Xbox 360 beta though. The game seems to be operating they way it was meant, without the farmers and Gil sellers. Once it goes to retail, however, I doubt it will stay like this.
Originally posted by ramadin "3. CrabsCrabs crabs crabs crabs. You kill the same monster for the whole entire game practically. I killed crabs in south gustaberg, crabs in vulkurm dunes, crabs in quifim, crabs in kuftal tunnel, and crabs in the boyhoda tree. Constantly crabs at least they could change the color or something but no same model but with a different name."
This is another thing that totally kills FFXI. GET SOME GOD DAMN NEW MOBS!!!! God, i got so tired of killing a goblin, another goblin, a goblin with a bad attitude, a goblin with a stick, etc etc. Its so retarded, no variety in this game whatsoever.
What u r doing is completely stupid and pointless. Ur opinion has been read and we all know that u hate this game. Do urself a favor and go play the game u like and let us who like this game enjoy it in our own way. Is there something u want to come out of all this flaming? And please do not say to enlighten us because I've done my personal research and decided this was the best for me. I'm pretty much sure the rest of the ppl who play FFXI or r getting into it have done the same thing.
IMO this thread needs to be locked. Pointless,flaming-zone,offers nothing to the mmorpg community......
Originally posted by ramadin "3. CrabsCrabs crabs crabs crabs. You kill the same monster for the whole entire game practically. I killed crabs in south gustaberg, crabs in vulkurm dunes, crabs in quifim, crabs in kuftal tunnel, and crabs in the boyhoda tree. Constantly crabs at least they could change the color or something but no same model but with a different name."
This is another thing that totally kills FFXI. GET SOME GOD DAMN NEW MOBS!!!! God, i got so tired of killing a goblin, another goblin, a goblin with a bad attitude, a goblin with a stick, etc etc. Its so retarded, no variety in this game whatsoever.
What u r doing is completely stupid and pointless. Ur opinion has been read and we all know that u hate this game. Do urself a favor and go play the game u like and let us who like this game enjoy it in our own way. Is there something u want to come out of all this flaming? And please do not say to enlighten us because I've done my personal research and decided this was the best for me. I'm pretty much sure the rest of the ppl who play FFXI or r getting into it have done the same thing.
IMO this thread needs to be locked. Pointless,flaming-zone,offers nothing to the mmorpg community......
Hey Im not the one who started this thread, Im just agreeing with it. Last I checked that was perfectly allowable on this site. If you dont like it I suggest you stop coming to this forum seeing as how every week someone different starts a "FFXI sux" thread. And thats mainly because it does suck.
Originally posted by bignate9er I was Melko a Mithra thief on the Alexander server. I bought FFXI the day it came out and was lucky enough to come acrossed a foreigner whom helped me 'power-level' to 5 my first day. After that i grew with the rest of the States players and eventually found myself at 30 got ninja because i was lucky enuff to find a second high level foreigner to help me out. but the ninja quests were extremely tough i tool my first break to play some console games for a few months. I played for nearly 2 years before i took my first break. the reasons for my intermission were, coincidently, some of the same that are posted over all of your takes. After coming back from my break i decided i'd be a dragoon and sub theif so that i may beable to solo, and in a small, small way i could. i got theif and dragoon to 35 and ninja to 20, somehow w/o any ninjitsu scrolls..... btw everyone hated me as a nin. Eventually i took my second and permanent break, because after coming back i found that all the players at my level now were very unpersonable, no one could form a good party and most didn't even take the time to figure out how to skill chain. this experience was a fraction of what it was when the game was new and 'hot'. Now, still a HUGE fan of the FF series, i come to your threads to see what's going on with the game. what's changed for better or worse. and honestly this was my first and only MMORPG and it has a place in my heart, much like Secret of Mana for the SNES. So i didnt' come to bash, i love FF, and i wish i was still playing, but i know the game is difficult. My prob. was i over extended myself, once i'd acheived ninja i also started to craft and, chose goldsmithing and next thing i knew i spent 100,000 and had a crafting level of 10...... 10 are u shitting me. so if i started over i wouldn't craft at all. that's my take, hopefully i didnt piss anyone off, i was just being honest
I hate to call you out on this, and I'm not elitist by any means. But if you came back and started playing your level 20 Ninja without ANY Ninjitsu scrolls, and thought that people were rude and couldn't make good parties, then you are overlooking a very obvious fact.
A ninja without Utsusemi is like a Paladin without Provoke. I know the scroll can get expensive, but you can always quest it, that's what I did. So you thinking the players were rude, well, you were an extremely gimped Ninja at that point (since you can use the scroll at level 12). Just my two cents.
And to enter the WoW vs. FFXI argument. WoW is more popular in the US because it is a much more casual game, for better or worse. With a casual game, you accomplish more, faster. But the accomplishment means less because it was easy. I personally prefer a challenge, so I will always prefer games like FFXI to WoW. But that is just me. Maybe I should have grown up in an eastern culture.
Originally posted by Velcroy Originally posted by bignate9er I was Melko a Mithra thief on the Alexander server. I bought FFXI the day it came out and was lucky enough to come acrossed a foreigner whom helped me 'power-level' to 5 my first day. After that i grew with the rest of the States players and eventually found myself at 30 got ninja because i was lucky enuff to find a second high level foreigner to help me out. but the ninja quests were extremely tough i tool my first break to play some console games for a few months. I played for nearly 2 years before i took my first break. the reasons for my intermission were, coincidently, some of the same that are posted over all of your takes. After coming back from my break i decided i'd be a dragoon and sub theif so that i may beable to solo, and in a small, small way i could. i got theif and dragoon to 35 and ninja to 20, somehow w/o any ninjitsu scrolls..... btw everyone hated me as a nin. Eventually i took my second and permanent break, because after coming back i found that all the players at my level now were very unpersonable, no one could form a good party and most didn't even take the time to figure out how to skill chain. this experience was a fraction of what it was when the game was new and 'hot'. Now, still a HUGE fan of the FF series, i come to your threads to see what's going on with the game. what's changed for better or worse. and honestly this was my first and only MMORPG and it has a place in my heart, much like Secret of Mana for the SNES. So i didnt' come to bash, i love FF, and i wish i was still playing, but i know the game is difficult. My prob. was i over extended myself, once i'd acheived ninja i also started to craft and, chose goldsmithing and next thing i knew i spent 100,000 and had a crafting level of 10...... 10 are u shitting me. so if i started over i wouldn't craft at all. that's my take, hopefully i didnt piss anyone off, i was just being honest I hate to call you out on this, and I'm not elitist by any means. But if you came back and started playing your level 20 Ninja without ANY Ninjitsu scrolls, and thought that people were rude and couldn't make good parties, then you are overlooking a very obvious fact. A ninja without Utsusemi is like a Paladin without Provoke. I know the scroll can get expensive, but you can always quest it, that's what I did. So you thinking the players were rude, well, you were an extremely gimped Ninja at that point (since you can use the scroll at level 12). Just my two cents. And to enter the WoW vs. FFXI argument. WoW is more popular in the US because it is a much more casual game, for better or worse. With a casual game, you accomplish more, faster. But the accomplishment means less because it was easy. I personally prefer a challenge, so I will always prefer games like FFXI to WoW. But that is just me. Maybe I should have grown up in an eastern culture.
I praise u for making such a good point! I feel exactly the same way. It is all about preference and playing style. Nothing more,nothing less. Nuff said.
Originally posted by Phife If FFXI was played by 100% legit players (as it was 2 years ago), it would be the greatest MMORPG ever. It was... but now it's just a shadow of it's former self.
FFXI will always have a warm spot in my heart, but I will never play it again.
Minus the part of "it would be the greatest MMORPG ever" I couldn't have said the rest better myself. When I first started playing grinding could actually be fun in a few ways. Now it seems the server populations are a bit "off" and you end up looking for a party for hours on end unless you're a bard or a red mage. SE also has a nasty habit of suddenly nerfing jobs. I took ranger to 75 (pre nerf it was an amazing damage dealer) and they go and nerf it to be average damage at best. I leveled several other jobs, like THF to 70+ and many other jobs 40-60. This game is dated (don't let expanison packs sway you) as it is. I have fond memories of my time playig FFXI but it certain has lost all of its sparkle and is a waste of $14 a month in my opinion.
I mean if you like soloing from level 1-11 and then sit around and wait for parties for hours from 12-75 (BST not included) then this game is for you.
If you like begging for higher level help to complete anything worth doing then this game is for you as well.
If you don't mind competing with gilsellers and othe rplayers for NM drops and want to be a slave to making money to afford anything then go ahead and get FFXI.
This is not a flame against FFXI, I had a lot of good times there, I just don't want anyone to get their hopes up and be disappointed. Some of the servers still have a few good people but they're quitting fast (as I have) I wish you the best of luck.
Originally posted by Velcroy Originally posted by bignate9er I was Melko a Mithra thief on the Alexander server. I bought FFXI the day it came out and was lucky enough to come acrossed a foreigner whom helped me 'power-level' to 5 my first day. After that i grew with the rest of the States players and eventually found myself at 30 got ninja because i was lucky enuff to find a second high level foreigner to help me out. but the ninja quests were extremely tough i tool my first break to play some console games for a few months. I played for nearly 2 years before i took my first break. the reasons for my intermission were, coincidently, some of the same that are posted over all of your takes. After coming back from my break i decided i'd be a dragoon and sub theif so that i may beable to solo, and in a small, small way i could. i got theif and dragoon to 35 and ninja to 20, somehow w/o any ninjitsu scrolls..... btw everyone hated me as a nin. Eventually i took my second and permanent break, because after coming back i found that all the players at my level now were very unpersonable, no one could form a good party and most didn't even take the time to figure out how to skill chain. this experience was a fraction of what it was when the game was new and 'hot'. Now, still a HUGE fan of the FF series, i come to your threads to see what's going on with the game. what's changed for better or worse. and honestly this was my first and only MMORPG and it has a place in my heart, much like Secret of Mana for the SNES. So i didnt' come to bash, i love FF, and i wish i was still playing, but i know the game is difficult. My prob. was i over extended myself, once i'd acheived ninja i also started to craft and, chose goldsmithing and next thing i knew i spent 100,000 and had a crafting level of 10...... 10 are u shitting me. so if i started over i wouldn't craft at all. that's my take, hopefully i didnt piss anyone off, i was just being honest I hate to call you out on this, and I'm not elitist by any means. But if you came back and started playing your level 20 Ninja without ANY Ninjitsu scrolls, and thought that people were rude and couldn't make good parties, then you are overlooking a very obvious fact. A ninja without Utsusemi is like a Paladin without Provoke. I know the scroll can get expensive, but you can always quest it, that's what I did. So you thinking the players were rude, well, you were an extremely gimped Ninja at that point (since you can use the scroll at level 12). Just my two cents. And to enter the WoW vs. FFXI argument. WoW is more popular in the US because it is a much more casual game, for better or worse. With a casual game, you accomplish more, faster. But the accomplishment means less because it was easy. I personally prefer a challenge, so I will always prefer games like FFXI to WoW. But that is just me. Maybe I should have grown up in an eastern culture.
Might've been putting it in his comment and having people inviting, expecting it anyways, because they don't know how to friggin read. Happens a lot with me now even. The new crop of NA players are really really bad right now, for a lot of reasons I don't really want to get into. I'm about to quit again since i'm trying to level up my Subjob, just getting horrible party after horrible party. Tanks that take so much damage from Tough monsters that i'm actually better off trying to tank myself after spamming Cure II. Just spent 2 hours in a party today for 800 exp because our puller couldn't figure out in all that time that goblins only aggro on sight and kept getting killed. Have people asking what a skillchain is when BLMs want to MB.
Took me a week and a half to get 41 BLM/20 WHM, and had enough time to farm for all my BLM/WHM spells up to 50/30, with gil leftover to upgrade equipment later. Has taken me the last 3 weeks to get 26 WHM.
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Don't we all
The most I can say is: try games before you buy them.
I didnt like FFXI at all but World of Warcraft interested me.
If I'm not mistaken, its got a free trial on Fileplanet.
And I want my money back for watching all three latest Star Wars movies,Saw 2 and the Passion of the Christ.
If any game sucks then it is WoW, I never got bored with a game faster than that.
First off u don't know what u r talking about. The Japanese don't concider US and EU players as bad. They just don't speak our language and they find it hard to adapt to. Second I've been in a few jap pts through auto-translate and everything was fine. Why the hell is everyone trying to find a reason to call FFXI bad? Do u have a grudge against the game and/or its players? Or r u so stuck up with ur own game that u decided to display ur fantasy-driven superiority? Talk about ur OWN game in its OWN forum and stop critisizing cause the ppl in this forum find FFXI fun and we have no reason to justify to anyone. U played it or tried it and didn't like it: GOOD 4 U! Congrats! A failed experiment. Get over it! Play WoW or anything else u concider fun. It is pointless to come into another game's forum and say it sucks. I can't find any reason for anyone at anytime to do things like that other than "too much time in their hands" or some kind of superiority complex.
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his reasons are the reasons I quit FFXI
In the USA, right now before some major releases, correct. Not world wide. Heck NW2, PSU, and a few otehr key games will most likely splinter the current "hard-core" "highend" players from WoW. Fun game for what it is, but rapid character growth to 60 then nothing is killing it for many players who are now just waiting for another option. I finally got fed up today and repurchased FFXI because I was tired of the instant gratification base of WoW. I never really felt like I accomplished anything after having 4 servers with 60s running raid content on farm mode and a 60 on an new RP-PvP server where no one RPs.
HItting 100 crafting skill is something in FFXI, or ranking up through missions. FFXI is not for everyone, but don't post false "facts".
Yes you have to work for EVERYTHING in ffxi. Nothing is handed to you. You start out with ten gil and a slap on the ass. Those who welcome a good challenge will love it, for people like the OP, well, there's always WoW.
There is no best MMORPG, only favorites.
In the USA, right now before some major releases, correct. Not world wide. Heck NW2, PSU, and a few otehr key games will most likely splinter the current "hard-core" "highend" players from WoW. Fun game for what it is, but rapid character growth to 60 then nothing is killing it for many players who are now just waiting for another option. I finally got fed up today and repurchased FFXI because I was tired of the instant gratification base of WoW. I never really felt like I accomplished anything after having 4 servers with 60s running raid content on farm mode and a 60 on an new RP-PvP server where no one RPs.
HItting 100 crafting skill is something in FFXI, or ranking up through missions. FFXI is not for everyone, but don't post false "facts".
OK ill put it into words you can understand. WoW has a much bigger player base than FFXI, which is really the only point that needed to be made.
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It isn't words I need to understand. You still don't seem to realize why which game has a larger place base in any area even matters when choosing a game. As long as it is still being supported for play then people should play games they like. Tons of people play any graphics based MMORPG compared to any single text MUD, it doesn't mean it is better.
This isn't highschool the popular title isn't the best because it is popular, that isn't good enough for the majority of players. Honestly the same people who complain X game isn't this or that are the ones who jump ship for the next popular game.
The MMO market is very niche right now, and few people are playing games they love, most are playing games they like or have friends playing. WoW is for those who like constant battling. FFXI for story, crafting, and a less chaotic experience. DOaC for epic PvP. DDO for those that want short directed play. Is one really better than the others? only in opinion.
Anyone can list a bunch of reasons not to play a specific game and make the game sound hideously bad. Lots of people can list glimmering reviews saying why a game is the best, both skills are called advertising and have little basis in reality but a strong foot in attempting to propel an id.
I was Melko a Mithra thief on the Alexander server. I bought FFXI the day it came out and was lucky enough to come acrossed a foreigner whom helped me 'power-level' to 5 my first day. After that i grew with the rest of the States players and eventually found myself at 30 got ninja because i was lucky enuff to find a second high level foreigner to help me out. but the ninja quests were extremely tough i tool my first break to play some console games for a few months. I played for nearly 2 years before i took my first break. the reasons for my intermission were, coincidently, some of the same that are posted over all of your takes. After coming back from my break i decided i'd be a dragoon and sub theif so that i may beable to solo, and in a small, small way i could. i got theif and dragoon to 35 and ninja to 20, somehow w/o any ninjitsu scrolls..... btw everyone hated me as a nin. Eventually i took my second and permanent break, because after coming back i found that all the players at my level now were very unpersonable, no one could form a good party and most didn't even take the time to figure out how to skill chain. this experience was a fraction of what it was when the game was new and 'hot'.
Now, still a HUGE fan of the FF series, i come to your threads to see what's going on with the game. what's changed for better or worse. and honestly this was my first and only MMORPG and it has a place in my heart, much like Secret of Mana for the SNES. So i didnt' come to bash, i love FF, and i wish i was still playing, but i know the game is difficult. My prob. was i over extended myself, once i'd acheived ninja i also started to craft and, chose goldsmithing and next thing i knew i spent 100,000 and had a crafting level of 10...... 10 are u shitting me. so if i started over i wouldn't craft at all.
that's my take, hopefully i didnt piss anyone off, i was just being honest
Thomas Covenant
the unbeliever
It isn't words I need to understand. You still don't seem to realize why which game has a larger place base in any area even matters when choosing a game. As long as it is still being supported for play then people should play games they like. Tons of people play any graphics based MMORPG compared to any single text MUD, it doesn't mean it is better.
This isn't highschool the popular title isn't the best because it is popular, that isn't good enough for the majority of players. Honestly the same people who complain X game isn't this or that are the ones who jump ship for the next popular game.
The MMO market is very niche right now, and few people are playing games they love, most are playing games they like or have friends playing. WoW is for those who like constant battling. FFXI for story, crafting, and a less chaotic experience. DOaC for epic PvP. DDO for those that want short directed play. Is one really better than the others? only in opinion.
Anyone can list a bunch of reasons not to play a specific game and make the game sound hideously bad. Lots of people can list glimmering reviews saying why a game is the best, both skills are called advertising and have little basis in reality but a strong foot in attempting to propel an id.
Yes its surely less chaotic, AKA standing around waiting, waiting for mobs to spawn, waiting for groups etc. The downtime in this game is what kills it. More people believe WOW to be a good game than do FFXI. Therefore, more people play it. (I dont even play WOW anymore, but I believe its a much better game)
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Almost everything Ramadin wrote in his original posts may very well be true, but I would much rather play FFXI than World of Warcraft.
Hardcore is always better than a mmorpg that a monkey can play. I was thinking of getting back into FFXI after trying out the Xbox 360 beta, but I have been reminded why I quit a long time ago after reading some posts here.
10. Waiting.
realy? What's that boss?
Anything you do you have to wait. If I'm going to do a quest I have to wait 4 hours for a boss monster to spawn. If I attack a prime like Shiva and I die. I have to wait one real life day till I can attack it again. If I want to take an airship I have to wait 11 minutes for it to come. If I want to get some exp I have to wait and form a party then we could have 5 people waiting to party but then we need a 6th person but we can never find one.
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9. Pvp
Worst pvp I have ever seen. The pvp is city verse city team style. So lets say 12 Bastok people show up and 18 Sandorians show up. Itll be 12 verses 18. So no matter what you do youll lose. Their is no FFA pvp its all team based. I could be owning some Taru then 3 of his buddies will come up from behind and kill me. Theirs no point in doing pvp. If you win you get a small amount of Gil. Blms own pvp, since everyone is close too each other. Only thing a blm has to do is cast sleepga and enfeeble his enemies then pick them off one by one.
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8. Exp and death penalty
Only class that can solo in ff is the beast master. So any other class needs a party to get exp. After level 60 it takes about 3 hours to get a party, for others its 7 or 8 hours. Once you start the party what usually happens is someone has to go or someone gets agro from a monster and dies or your party members suck. Then if you die and usually when you die their isnt a priest with raise 2 around, so when you respawn you lose 3k exp. 3k exp takes about one hour and 30 minutes to get, since most parties suck.
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Uhm, can its admin change it?
7. Genkai
Genkai is a like a limit break that lets you level higher. Like the level cap with out genkai is level 50. To get 55 you have to do genkai 1 witch is hard for most people. Thats why most people quit ff at level 50. I have met so many people who have quit ff just because of that. Its some stupid square scheme of making you go to high level areas and hunt for some rare rare rare item that takes for ever to get and is almost impossible to do with level 50's. Its completely pointless and stupid its just another thing that makes you play long so they can collect their monthly fees. You have to do this stupid quest every 5 levels after 50.
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6. Crafting
God where do I begin. First of all you lose so much money crafting because of the ****d up econ (ill get to that later). Then once you get the items to make the item you want to make. You have to wait till its the day in the game day that coincides with the crystal that makes the item. So if I make an item with a fire crystal on waters day ill probably fail. Failing god do I hate failing, back in the day I thought it was ok, but once you get 100k items to make some big thing and you fail and lose the items you hate it. Leveling up crafting is retarded; you have to buy all the materials then sit there making the same item over and over again. You can be a level 90 crafter and still lose money; in any other game you would be loaded.
5. Magic scrolls
You have to buy magic to be able to use. When your level 20 you barely have any money as a blm and the sad part is most of the scrolls you need are 20k plus. Then when you hit 50 ancient magic is like 100k plus a scroll. That you barely use, but you need em because people always ask you to use em. They should have made it so you learn skills not having to buy them as a mage.
4. AF
The worst idea I have ever seen in a mmorpg, wait actually one of the worst ideas. AF is this armor that makes you look like your job in classic ff job specific armor. Like my blm looks like a traditional blm with it on. Well to get any of it done you need 18 people you need to go to some smacked up area with mobs who are level 70 plus and shit. Sit there for 5 hours killing mobs till it drops the key, and then find the box witch takes another 4 hours. Then you have to fight notorious monsters that usually kill 6 people who are in your alliance. Then the af doesnt even give you good stats thats the worst, like my body af gives me vit plus 1 when Im a god damn blm.
3. Crabs
Crabs crabs crabs crabs. You kill the same monster for the whole entire game practically. I killed crabs in south gustaberg, crabs in vulkurm dunes, crabs in quifim, crabs in kuftal tunnel, and crabs in the boyhoda tree. Constantly crabs at least they could change the color or something but no same model but with a different name.
2. Shitty point less jobs that can be replaced by other jobs and race specific stats.
Ok first of all here are the crappy jobs in ff11 Dragoon, summoner and ninja. Why? You ask heres why. Ninja is a poor mans paladin, ninja cant hold agro and if he gets hit 2 or 3 times hes ****d. Ok he has his powders but once they run out hes screwed. If I cast stone 1 I get agro with a ninja, agro is when the monster comes to you and attacks you. Dragoon he does shitty damage and is out classed by all damage dealers. Summoner is just a whm basically, you get him in your party for heals. His summons are worthless. Are you kidding me jwbxx summoners did so much damage in all the other ff's. Nope sorry my blm can out damage a summoner any day. I have seen all the summons die to crabs and other crappy shit. Race specific stats omg so pointless. See in any other game if I sucked at hp but had tons of int it would affect me. Because I could own in damage but once I get hit Im ****d. Not in ff11 since everything so party related the party makes up for your weakness. So their is no point in being a Hume since every other race can do your job better. Like Im a blm Hume but a Taru blm has 200 more mp and like 20 more int. He has shit hp, but since you never solo in ff the party can protect him. So thats how Humes ability to be good in everything and not suck in anything is negated.
1. Auction house system omg worst idea.
This is how the ah system works. You put something up for sale a bidding price, if someone matches it or exceed it you get the Gil for the item. Sounds good right? Nope. Some dick see's that I put up 5 dark steel swords for 35k each, but since he has no patience he decides to sell his for 34k. Next guy sees that and sells his for 33k, and lower and lower the price goes. So then that hurts the crafters. It ends up that the materials are worth more then the final product. Thats why the ah system sucks.
"3. Crabs
Crabs crabs crabs crabs. You kill the same monster for the whole entire game practically. I killed crabs in south gustaberg, crabs in vulkurm dunes, crabs in quifim, crabs in kuftal tunnel, and crabs in the boyhoda tree. Constantly crabs at least they could change the color or something but no same model but with a different name."
This is another thing that totally kills FFXI. GET SOME GOD DAMN NEW MOBS!!!! God, i got so tired of killing a goblin, another goblin, a goblin with a bad attitude, a goblin with a stick, etc etc. Its so retarded, no variety in this game whatsoever.
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I am playing the Xbox 360 Beta and yes, after hunting for a while, I earned enough Gil to purchase my beginner level Whm spells, but I don't know how it's going to be later on.
I think it is a whole different situation on the Xbox 360 beta though. The game seems to be operating they way it was meant, without the farmers and Gil sellers. Once it goes to retail, however, I doubt it will stay like this.
What u r doing is completely stupid and pointless. Ur opinion has been read and we all know that u hate this game. Do urself a favor and go play the game u like and let us who like this game enjoy it in our own way. Is there something u want to come out of all this flaming? And please do not say to enlighten us because I've done my personal research and decided this was the best for me. I'm pretty much sure the rest of the ppl who play FFXI or r getting into it have done the same thing.
IMO this thread needs to be locked. Pointless,flaming-zone,offers nothing to the mmorpg community......
What u r doing is completely stupid and pointless. Ur opinion has been read and we all know that u hate this game. Do urself a favor and go play the game u like and let us who like this game enjoy it in our own way. Is there something u want to come out of all this flaming? And please do not say to enlighten us because I've done my personal research and decided this was the best for me. I'm pretty much sure the rest of the ppl who play FFXI or r getting into it have done the same thing.
IMO this thread needs to be locked. Pointless,flaming-zone,offers nothing to the mmorpg community......
Hey Im not the one who started this thread, Im just agreeing with it. Last I checked that was perfectly allowable on this site. If you dont like it I suggest you stop coming to this forum seeing as how every week someone different starts a "FFXI sux" thread. And thats mainly because it does suck.
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I hate to call you out on this, and I'm not elitist by any means. But if you came back and started playing your level 20 Ninja without ANY Ninjitsu scrolls, and thought that people were rude and couldn't make good parties, then you are overlooking a very obvious fact.
A ninja without Utsusemi is like a Paladin without Provoke. I know the scroll can get expensive, but you can always quest it, that's what I did. So you thinking the players were rude, well, you were an extremely gimped Ninja at that point (since you can use the scroll at level 12). Just my two cents.
And to enter the WoW vs. FFXI argument. WoW is more popular in the US because it is a much more casual game, for better or worse. With a casual game, you accomplish more, faster. But the accomplishment means less because it was easy. I personally prefer a challenge, so I will always prefer games like FFXI to WoW. But that is just me. Maybe I should have grown up in an eastern culture.
I praise u for making such a good point! I feel exactly the same way. It is all about preference and playing style. Nothing more,nothing less. Nuff said.
Minus the part of "it would be the greatest MMORPG ever" I couldn't have said the rest better myself. When I first started playing grinding could actually be fun in a few ways. Now it seems the server populations are a bit "off" and you end up looking for a party for hours on end unless you're a bard or a red mage. SE also has a nasty habit of suddenly nerfing jobs. I took ranger to 75 (pre nerf it was an amazing damage dealer) and they go and nerf it to be average damage at best. I leveled several other jobs, like THF to 70+ and many other jobs 40-60. This game is dated (don't let expanison packs sway you) as it is. I have fond memories of my time playig FFXI but it certain has lost all of its sparkle and is a waste of $14 a month in my opinion.
I mean if you like soloing from level 1-11 and then sit around and wait for parties for hours from 12-75 (BST not included) then this game is for you.
If you like begging for higher level help to complete anything worth doing then this game is for you as well.
If you don't mind competing with gilsellers and othe rplayers for NM drops and want to be a slave to making money to afford anything then go ahead and get FFXI.
This is not a flame against FFXI, I had a lot of good times there, I just don't want anyone to get their hopes up and be disappointed. Some of the servers still have a few good people but they're quitting fast (as I have) I wish you the best of luck.
Might've been putting it in his comment and having people inviting, expecting it anyways, because they don't know how to friggin read. Happens a lot with me now even. The new crop of NA players are really really bad right now, for a lot of reasons I don't really want to get into. I'm about to quit again since i'm trying to level up my Subjob, just getting horrible party after horrible party. Tanks that take so much damage from Tough monsters that i'm actually better off trying to tank myself after spamming Cure II. Just spent 2 hours in a party today for 800 exp because our puller couldn't figure out in all that time that goblins only aggro on sight and kept getting killed. Have people asking what a skillchain is when BLMs want to MB.
Took me a week and a half to get 41 BLM/20 WHM, and had enough time to farm for all my BLM/WHM spells up to 50/30, with gil leftover to upgrade equipment later. Has taken me the last 3 weeks to get 26 WHM.