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Should I Re Sub?
Allacore69
Member Posts: 839
So I went on a vacation for a month and have not been back. Been playing ESO, which is getting stale, and I'd like to return.
Problem is, I am a level 47 Dragoon and need to 50 and farm whatever "ATMA" is to catch up. I've been guild hopping around and have found no help.
Is it a good idea to re sub or am I just fooling myself? I mean I need help. Seems like when you get close to 50, nobody in general chat is willing to talk. I'll scream lfg all day long with no avail. I understand dps class is a dime a dozen and it's hard to use the group finder but lfg in chat, wtf, it's worse sometimes.
I got 2 hours from this post before my money goes on my card.
I love this game to death. Please help me change my mind and make, what i think is the right decision, to re sub.
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It´s the number 1 reason I quit last year.
The community in this game is just downright terrible. I was really shocked, as the FF games were always praised by their great communities.
But something happened With FFXIV last year when ARR launched that drew in tons of terrible People into the game.
Maybe it´s because of all the gear gates and gear checks, expensive repair bills (at that time) that drove the worst out of People. I don´t know. /sigh
It´s why I just cannot pull myself to resub to this game. Out of fear wasting sub Money, just to Discover nothing has changed community wise.
Well now i'm scared.
Anybody else wanna chime in and give their opinion?
Any and all feedback helps!
Not worth it IMO.
I recently resubbed, a few weeks ago. I really love healing in that game but as someone else said, the community is AWFUL. I left during launch cause of how terrible players were both in attitude and skill and because I was a bit tired of grinding and tired of excuses and bad players.
After months of being behind I discovered I had to grind 1 dungeon for hours trying to build a set so I could grind the raids so I could build a set to finally get to do the current endgame content. You have to do brayflox speedruns for gear and as a healer in no gear it was torture. The game really locks you at a gear cap rather than skill cap. People are super elitist and won't even take lower geared people. If you don't have the magical gearscore number then you likely aren't gonna get into any decent flox runs just to get the gear you desperately need to even do other content. Gear wall/catch up is an issue. The game is heavily balanced around what your special gear number is.
So I decide to join a guild and the GM chick is like teehee we want you as heals but no one feels like running dungeons so no one gonna help you gear. Was like great that's helpful! So talked to a dude in Death and Taxes and he told me the top guilds on the server were pretty full and statics were already tightknit and it would be hard to find any to play with. So since I was nearing the last days of my month sub I just cancelled.
TLDR: If you are really into raiding or endgame content, you desperately need a guild that will help you gear as the catchup grind is harsh. It will also require many hours worth of work just to reach the level cap, do every dungeon/trial for your weapon and then finally get to brayflox grind/daily grind. If you are super casual and just play for the dungeons then the game is fine for that, the dungeon finder tool in the game works pretty nicely.
Also requires a very high tolerance to weaboos and drama. xDxDxD ur GS 2 low D:D:D: i was not in da aoe but i iz ded11!
maybe its just i've been lucky with my server selections, i don't know, but one thing i've noticed about the community in FFXIV;ARR, is that their very friendly, even the french
(even to people like me who only know a single language 
)
I think the main factor influencing whether you sub to any game, is whether or not your enjoying playing it, if your not enjoying playing a game then no amount of persuading or whatever should affect whether you continue playing or not, and vice versa.
But if you can only afford to sub to a single game and your torn between several, then, yes, that is a dilemma, and one people can often be faced with, especially these days when there are so many MMO's to choose from.
My experience with the community has been quite the opposite. While I will grant that not a lot of folks shoot the breeze in general chat, every time I've needed help I've gotten it. Plus out of the many instances and primal fights I've used the LFG tool to join, I've only had someone turn nasty 3 times.
Once was some idiot leveling an alt class and attempting to tank naked, on top of the fact that he was pulling too fast for the healer (who was new) to handle. Tried to explain this and we got a lovely 'u guys suk' right before he dropped. Was the other guys first instance too.
Once was in... can't remember the name of it, the instance with all the poisonous muck on the floor. Anyway, tank didn't pull far enough out of the path of a patrol, and when I went behind the mobs to start DPS, they aggro'd. While I admit I should have looked more carefully, the tank certainly played a large part as well. He got snippy, we got into a pissing match, he left.
Can't remember the third for the life of me. I know there was one...
Anyway, in my experience on the Malboro server people have generally been quite nice. Quite a breath of fresh air after games like WoW or EVE, which have a large number of players who are basically bastard coated bastards with bastard filling.
I say go for it. Buy a month of the basic sub for $13, if you like the game and want to make alts then bump up to the regular subscription. If you don't like the game... well, you're out the price of a couple lattes.
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On topic: I've been playing since the first day it popped up on steam, on Gilgamesh. And I gotta say the community on that server has to be one of the best I've seen in a while, apart from the obvious few people that just love to be a thorn is people's sides. But the good people outweigh the bad ones. I must say.
If you're having second thoughts about subbing now, wait till patch 2.3 (or 2.4) as they're adding a bunch of new content, with 2.4 adding a new class and job.
One thing about this game is that the community is absolutely awesome (though I wasn't a fan of it during the first month or so of release when it came to LFG content).
Though even in LFG you always find people greet you and say "hello" nowadays; I've not seen one bad group in roughly five months. Granted, there are some groups in the Crystal Tower that are only there for mythology and if one group messes up, there might be some anger. Though in my opinion that's just poor design in terms of development (and it seems they're shying away from having three random groups be put together in future content).
If you're looking for an amazing server that has really nice and helpful people, you should look into Balmung (Legacy). I noticed that a lot of the traditional MMO A-Holes (to describe the influx of people who move from one MMO to the next and have bad manners, and not to say everyone who went to these servers were thus) went to non-legacy servers at start thinking it would be easier or just to start anew, though the economies on there were horrible and people weren't that great. Whereas Balmung had some of the lowest prices and nicest people around to this day. One thing to note is that Balmung is and has been the main RP server since 2010 or so (it's new name after a 1.0 server merge). In addition, there is a large and healthy RP community on it (I seriously see RP every where, no matter the time of day; it's just to a much less degree around 2AM or so).
There are also plenty of Free Companies on here that are advertising helping people get geared for end game as well. I'd make a new character (it's usually full since it's such a popular server, but character creation is up around 12AM PDT to 9AM every day) and do some Free Company shopping to see if some of these groups are true to their word before a transfer or starting a new character.
The thing about this game is that there is a lot to do at end game now with the latest patches; I've yet to touch even 5% of it all as a whole, but then again I'm working on 8 characters at once (minus my 1.0 character when it comes to crafts, as that had all crafts maxed prior to the game's relaunch). Every patch -- and even minor patch -- they're adding more storyline, more quests, more systems and things to do, more fights, harder dungeons, etc. It's really to the point where I'm completely overwhelmed, much like I was back in FFXI when it seemed like there was always something to do. Never do I have a minute to myself in this game if I don't want to fall back.
But! Most of the stuff is unknown to a lot of people, as you have to figure it all out yourself and it doesn't point you to new features, systems, etc. There's no hand-holding with end-game content, and thus people who are wholly invested in it might not even realize the majority of it's existence (not to mention there being a lot of minor attunements required for said contents, that are again not explained in game).
Compared to pre-ARR, the community is really crappy now (in a general sense). Mainly, the elitism is through the roof. This is easily visible in the LFG tool, with posts that are the equivalent of (iLVL requirement above content; must have memorized fight; one death will kick). I've seen people post that sort of nonsense for content as low as the HM fights.
I don't know... The elitism was pretty severe in 1.0 as well. There was always that group that kept all of the secrets to themselves until they were abused to the point Square had to fix them. Then the information was released to the "peasants" once they could no longer benefit off of it.
I see iLvL and "know the fight" requirements in every game nowadays. Then again, I roll with select people and never have to use the tool for anything other than daily roulettes. If anything, though, it's just more pronounced as there is one less outlet for people to be elitist in, in that there are no parsers allowed in the game (or at least, one can't hint at using one, such as noting it while dismissing another player's DPS).
Thank you everyone for the input. I have decided to re sub to ESO, BUT may also re sub to FF XIV ARR.
With the information givin, I see no point in re subbing right this minute till things even out.
Thank you everybody for being honest.
If you are thinking of resubbing to the game, just do it trust me there's never been a better time to start endgame than now especially with more stuff coming in less than a month(18 days).
Don't listen to this guy please he has it all wrong.
To build the base standard class Mythology/Af2 set you by no means need to go on a speedrunning spree as the roulettes give plenty of myth on their own so if you just do the roulettes daily for like a week and maybe throw in a couple of crystal tower runs you'll be geared up in no time.
As for getting into endgame there are FCs looking for people to start endgame, or just helping people who join them get into endgame(gear, how to do the EX primals etc) all the time, the FCs that are well into the raiding progress are also looking for people often, since it's part of the Raid roster cycle of life that people come and go.
Again if you want to give it a shot, there's never been a better time to start with 2.3 bringing in all new and acessible GCvGCvGC up to 72 man PvP, a new primal, a new harder version of the current hardest raid, new daily activities, new Crystal Tower raid and tons of Quality of life stuff and story and side-story progression, i'm pretty sure you won't regret it
If you are thinking of resubbing to the game, just do it trust me there's never been a better time to start endgame than now especially with more stuff coming in less than a month(18 days).
Don't listen to this guy please he has it all wrong.
To build the base standard class Mythology/Af2 set you by no means need to go on a speedrunning spree as the roulettes give plenty of myth on their own so if you just do the roulettes daily for like a week and maybe throw in a couple of crystal tower runs you'll be geared up in no time.
As for getting into endgame there are FCs looking for people to start endgame, or just helping people who join them get into endgame(gear, how to do the EX primals etc) all the time, the FCs that are well into the raiding progress are also looking for people often, since it's part of the Raid roster cycle of life that people come and go.
Again if you want to give it a shot, there's never been a better time to start with 2.3 bringing in all new and acessible GCvGCvGC up to 72 man PvP, a new primal, a new harder version of the current hardest raid, new daily activities, new Crystal Tower raid and tons of Quality of life stuff and story and side-story progression, i'm pretty sure you won't regret it
The catchup is grindy and that's assuming you can get past the ludicrous gear score reqs set by your fellow players. Other people pointed this out in this thread as well.
Edit because my phone changes things. Thinking of resubbing to eso as well OP. Hope you enjoy whatever you end up sticking with
This is where you're wrong for example, the most ilvl requirements people put into party finder is i90 or usually below(except for silly exceptions), this average ilvl is easily attainable within a week or two even with casual play by doing roulettes dailies and some crytal tower and you can also start doing 1st coil at around i75-i80 which can speed up raising your ilvl a LOT.. so yeah
Hello,
there are many people not telling true in this topic so I have to correct some false statements.
Allacore69
"Problem is, I am a level 47 Dragoon and need to 50 and farm whatever "ATMA" is to catch up. I've been guild hopping around and have found no help."
You dont need help from anybody and also You dont need to farm ATMA for end game.
From 47 to 50 you can level in few hours. If you prefer lazy style you can do 1 low rulette and 1 guildheist rullette every day once. And you will reach lvl 50. So its like 3*30minutes(30 minutes per 3 days) to get 3 levels for your. You really dont need help from anybody to reach this.
ATMA-ANIMUS-NOVUS is alternative way to obtain ilvl 100-110 weapon. You dont need it for T6,T7.
In T7 you can obtain token for ilvl100 weapon which is fine for T8 and T9. Its enough to start endgame with ilvl90 weapon(ZENITH) which is easy to get without any special help nowadays.
JeroKane
"It´s the number 1 reason I quit last year.
The community in this game is just downright terrible. I was really shocked, as the FF games were always praised by their great communities.
But something happened With FFXIV last year when ARR launched that drew in tons of terrible People into the game.
Maybe it´s because of all the gear gates and gear checks, expensive repair bills (at that time) that drove the worst out of People. I don´t know. /sigh
It´s why I just cannot pull myself to resub to this game. Out of fear wasting sub Money, just to Discover nothing has changed community wise."
Repair bills are joke. Dont remember when i paid more than 2000gill for repair.
1 daily rullete eg EXPERT gives you ~10 000gills for 30mins of work.
There is no gear checks right now, everybody can be ilvl90 in week or 2. There is just a skill check. I recommend to group with players with same skill as you have. Some players already spent many hours in some content and what to farm it smootly with same skilled players. If you dont know content, join to training parties until you mastered it.
Datastar
I just resubbed and immediately remembered why I stopped playing the leveling sucks I cant even bring myself to sit through it to 50. Im sure its great at max level but meh I bought wildstar after I unsubbed and love it!
Your statement is not valid because leveling is not slow but too fast i think. You obtain 1 level per 1 dungeon. Lazy style. Grinding style 1-50 in 2 days.
kiraveli
After months of being behind I discovered I had to grind 1 dungeon for hours trying to build a set so I could grind the raids so I could build a set to finally get to do the current endgame content. You have to do brayflox speedruns for gear and as a healer in no gear it was torture. The game really locks you at a gear cap rather than skill cap. People are super elitist and won't even take lower geared people. If you don't have the magical gearscore number then you likely aren't gonna get into any decent flox runs just to get the gear you desperately need to even do other content. Gear wall/catch up is an issue. The game is heavily balanced around what your special gear number is.
So I decide to join a guild and the GM chick is like teehee we want you as heals but no one feels like running dungeons so no one gonna help you gear. Was like great that's helpful! So talked to a dude in Death and Taxes and he told me the top guilds on the server were pretty full and statics were already tightknit and it would be hard to find any to play with. So since I was nearing the last days of my month sub I just cancelled.
TLDR: If you are really into raiding or endgame content, you desperately need a guild that will help you gear as the catchup grind is harsh. It will also require many hours worth of work just to reach the level cap, do every dungeon/trial for your weapon and then finally get to brayflox grind/daily grind. If you are super casual and just play for the dungeons then the game is fine for that, the dungeon finder tool in the game works pretty nicely.
Also requires a very high tolerance to weaboos and drama. xDxDxD ur GS 2 low D:D:D: i was not in da aoe but i iz ded11!
You dont have clue.
1. You dont have to grind 1 dungeon for hours. Endgame content is accesible with ilvl90 weapon and ilvl90 gear. Just do your daily rulletes for random dungeons and you will earn mythology stone for full ilvl90 gear in week or 2.
2. You dont have to run bf hm.
3. There is no gear check because many noobs are ilvl90/99. Because this gear is so easy to obtain. Skillcheck is always preffered.
4. In second coil of bahamut (t6-t7) it doesnt matter if you are at ilvl90 or at ilvl100. If you are low skilled you will fail. Same with titan. Gear is just your excuse because you cannot handle content. But it doesnt help you in any way. Second coil have mechanics which you have to learn. Even in ilvl200 if you dont know mechanics you will die no matter what. It doesnt help you. Gear doesnt matter.
TLDR: YOU SIR ARE LIER. In every statement you put here.
Such a nice community, so mature and constructive.
No one can ever be right but them and everyone's experience is therefor invalid. Then with the cheap insults at players like he just did to me. "Ur obv a lier an bad playr". Like I said, this kind of aggression is what is to be expected, especially if you pug a lot.
TLDR: Time to test the forum's block feature.
Also I did not see this post here because my phone is derpy:
Thanks for replying in a nice and helpful way. If you do resub you can try out this guys advice.
Such a nice community, so mature and constructive.
No one can ever be right but them and everyone's experience is therefor invalid. Then with the cheap insults at players like he just did to me. "Ur obv a lier an bad playr". Like I said, this kind of aggression is what is to be expected, especially if you pug a lot.
TLDR: Time to test the forum's block feature.
You dont even have game subscribed how can your post be valid? You looks like most of haters who have information from friend of friend who also dont have game subscribed.
Also other subscribers can confirm that your statements are not valid like it already happend.
TLDR: LIER SPOTTED.
Attacking people is not the right way to go about proving a point. I too am thinking of resubscribing to FFXIV and if I were to listen to the community posts and then read yours.... well that pretty much seals the deal on where the community stands, and really doesn't make me want to resub. I've had enough of Toxic & Leetist communities over the years.
Re-think your attitude my friend, people will general react better, and be more receptive.
those posts are always make me think if am I the only one who approach games differently than others. I myself resubbed back 2 weeks ago, and have been enjoying it since. the reason I left was nothing to do with the game but RL issues, but now the game is even better.
anyways, you either love or hate the game, i cant find grey area there, if you love it, you will jump serves/FCs until you find the suitable place and players but in any case, I recommend you not focusing on the community but the game it self, the players you meet along the way will have to have someone who you like to spend time with in game etc.
Honestly in 2 weeks time, I joined frontline PVP linkshell, an FC and another linkshell of crafters. those are only 2 weeks.
Okay, so I decided to sub to FF as well as ESO. I guess I'll just wing it and see how it goes. ESO as a back up incase FF lets me down....*crosses fingers*....I hope FF doesnt let me down. Not a huge fan of "Gear Score" elitists. Thats why I left Neverwinter. Just to come back and find all new contend, Icewind Dale, etc. was locked behind gear score. Not fair for a founder and creator of the second guild made WAY before the game was even out of alpha....... That's right, I was founder of one of the three founding guilds...."The Guild Of Icewind Dale"
those elite gear elitests are already throughing a fit at SE because next patch 2.3 in july will bring in crystal tower 2 ( forgot the right name) which will drop Ilvl100 items and weapons, and on top of that will drop key items that you can trade for OP gear. ie casual content that brings you very close to end game gear, which is amazing cause i myself cant be bothered trying T7+ in coil even if I have good group, the stress is too much :P