Attacking people is not the right way to go about proving a point. I too am thinking of resubscribing to FFXIV and if I were to listen to the community posts and then read yours.... well that pretty much seals the deal on where the community stands, and really doesn't make me want to resub. I've had enough of Toxic & Leetist communities over the years.
So you are kind of person who rather believe to sweet lie than raw truth? Because I am not.
I didnt call him lier without telling the truth. I am pointed out everything which hasnt be right. Its not personal attack but yeh if somebody is lier then he is.
Okay, so I decided to sub to FF as well as ESO. I guess I'll just wing it and see how it goes. ESO as a back up incase FF lets me down....*crosses fingers*....I hope FF doesnt let me down. Not a huge fan of "Gear Score" elitists. Thats why I left Neverwinter. Just to come back and find all new contend, Icewind Dale, etc. was locked behind gear score. Not fair for a founder and creator of the second guild made WAY before the game was even out of alpha....... That's right, I was founder of one of the three founding guilds...."The Guild Of Icewind Dale"
Like I said before, there is nothing like GEAR SCORE elitist. Mostly for endgame content SKILL will be required or achiev.
Its OK because there are many people who spend many hours doing end game content and dont want unskilled people in group. Just stick with training parties and if you master turn or boss you can move on to pro party.
Just play at your own pace. Dont underestimate or overestimate your skill.
Btw if you was founder of one of eldest guild in game, how its come you didnt have friends to help you with gear or carry you if you are slow?
Attacking people is not the right way to go about proving a point. I too am thinking of resubscribing to FFXIV and if I were to listen to the community posts and then read yours.... well that pretty much seals the deal on where the community stands, and really doesn't make me want to resub. I've had enough of Toxic & Leetist communities over the years.
So you are kind of person who rather believe to sweet lie than raw truth? Because I am not.
I didnt call him lier without telling the truth. I am pointed out everything which hasnt be right. Its not personal attack but yeh if somebody is lier then he is.
Ok, first off, as he is not currently subscribed.. I believe he may be mis-informed, I highly doubt he is deliberately telling a lie. I am not saying I believe a "sweet" lie, I am pointing out that by attacking him (calling him a liar) you are simply proving the statements made previously about the community.
The fact of the matter is, that is the general community comes off the way you did in your post, it simply proves the point of a poor community. You did everything in your post that he says happens in the community. You accused him of being a liar, and of being a bad player. This is not the way to foster good feelings towards a games community.
With so many games on the market in this day and age, and so many people tossing accusations and name calling within communities, spreading incorrect answers and the general douchebaggery that happens on a daily basis in these games, it is a wonder that any survive. Online communities have become toxic, filled with internet anonymity syndrome. Some games are worse than others (I am looking at you ArcheAge)... but it is running rampant. And I am going horribly off topic.. so I am just going to end this post here.
TheSlither: I get what you were trying to say, and I understand that english may not be your first language. But my advise to you is to give people the benefits of the doubt. Just because someone information might not be 100% current or correct, DOES NOT make them a liar. Perhaps they are just missinformed. Also, try to be a little more positive to your community/potential community, it will bring more players to the game.
Okay, so I decided to sub to FF as well as ESO. I guess I'll just wing it and see how it goes. ESO as a back up incase FF lets me down....*crosses fingers*....I hope FF doesnt let me down. Not a huge fan of "Gear Score" elitists. Thats why I left Neverwinter. Just to come back and find all new contend, Icewind Dale, etc. was locked behind gear score. Not fair for a founder and creator of the second guild made WAY before the game was even out of alpha....... That's right, I was founder of one of the three founding guilds...."The Guild Of Icewind Dale"
those elite gear elitests are already throughing a fit at SE because next patch 2.3 in july will bring in crystal tower 2 ( forgot the right name) which will drop Ilvl100 items and weapons, and on top of that will drop key items that you can trade for OP gear. ie casual content that brings you very close to end game gear, which is amazing cause i myself cant be bothered trying T7+ in coil even if I have good group, the stress is too much :P
It doesnt matter if you are ilvl90 at t7 or ilvl110. Why everybody thinks that gear matter something there?
If you are so overgeared in T6 or T7 you even sometimes have to wait between phases. Its common to stop dps after 2nd bee in T6 to wait for flower before leafstorm. Or at 37% at T7 for voice because you dont want to have voice when fighting 3rd phase ad. ETC.
People failing not because gear but because they are lack of skill and knowledge of mechanics. There are many people even in ilvl115 (100+15%echo) who cant beat t5 twintania.
Attacking people is not the right way to go about proving a point. I too am thinking of resubscribing to FFXIV and if I were to listen to the community posts and then read yours.... well that pretty much seals the deal on where the community stands, and really doesn't make me want to resub. I've had enough of Toxic & Leetist communities over the years.
So you are kind of person who rather believe to sweet lie than raw truth? Because I am not.
I didnt call him lier without telling the truth. I am pointed out everything which hasnt be right. Its not personal attack but yeh if somebody is lier then he is.
Ok, first off, as he is not currently subscribed.. I believe he may be mis-informed, I highly doubt he is deliberately telling a lie. I am not saying I believe a "sweet" lie, I am pointing out that by attacking him (calling him a liar) you are simply proving the statements made previously about the community.
The fact of the matter is, that is the general community comes off the way you did in your post, it simply proves the point of a poor community. You did everything in your post that he says happens in the community. You accused him of being a liar, and of being a bad player. This is not the way to foster good feelings towards a games community.
With so many games on the market in this day and age, and so many people tossing accusations and name calling within communities, spreading incorrect answers and the general douchebaggery that happens on a daily basis in these games, it is a wonder that any survive. Online communities have become toxic, filled with internet anonymity syndrome. Some games are worse than others (I am looking at you ArcheAge)... but it is running rampant. And I am going horribly off topic.. so I am just going to end this post here.
TheSlither: I get what you were trying to say, and I understand that english may not be your first language. But my advise to you is to give people the benefits of the doubt. Just because someone information might not be 100% current or correct, DOES NOT make them a liar. Perhaps they are just missinformed. Also, try to be a little more positive to your community/potential community, it will bring more players to the game.
1 thing i dont even undestand is why people who are even not subscribed to game giving advices to other people and telling them how good or bad it is in game.
Sorry but this makes me mad. Thats why my reaction was so arrogant.
Such a nice community, so mature and constructive. No one can ever be right but them and everyone's experience is therefor invalid. Then with the cheap insults at players like he just did to me. "Ur obv a lier an bad playr". Like I said, this kind of aggression is what is to be expected, especially if you pug a lot.
TLDR: Time to test the forum's block feature.
You dont even have game subscribed how can your post be valid? You looks like most of haters who have information from friend of friend who also dont have game subscribed.
Also other subscribers can confirm that your statements are not valid like it already happend.
TLDR: LIER SPOTTED.
The only thing you're doing with your accusations is making the game's community look bad, including myself. There's nothing wrong with pointing out erroneous statements, but throwing around accusations of lying is just rude.
Oh, and it's LIAR. Sheesh.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. FEAR THE OLD BLOOD.
Such a nice community, so mature and constructive. No one can ever be right but them and everyone's experience is therefor invalid. Then with the cheap insults at players like he just did to me. "Ur obv a lier an bad playr". Like I said, this kind of aggression is what is to be expected, especially if you pug a lot.
TLDR: Time to test the forum's block feature.
You dont even have game subscribed how can your post be valid? You looks like most of haters who have information from friend of friend who also dont have game subscribed.
Also other subscribers can confirm that your statements are not valid like it already happend.
TLDR: LIER SPOTTED.
The only thing you're doing with your accusations is making the game's community look bad, including myself. There's nothing wrong with pointing out erroneous statements, but throwing around accusations of lying is just rude.
Oh, and it's LIAR. Sheesh.
Lol i though that people here can atleast take some critism and truth.
I think that i will go back to reddit, atleast truth can be tell there and people dont mind if somebody is called stupid because they dont have truth
And OH people there actually playing game not just discussing their ideas they heard from friend of the friend mother horse potato.
Originally posted by Allacore69 Originally posted by JeroKane It´s the number 1 reason I quit last year.The community in this game is just downright terrible. I was really shocked, as the FF games were always praised by their great communities.But something happened With FFXIV last year when ARR launched that drew in tons of terrible People into the game. :(Maybe it´s because of all the gear gates and gear checks, expensive repair bills (at that time) that drove the worst out of People. I don´t know. /sighIt´s why I just cannot pull myself to resub to this game. Out of fear wasting sub Money, just to Discover nothing has changed community wise.
Well now i'm scared.
Anybody else wanna chime in and give their opinion?
Any and all feedback helps!
Should probably take broad generalizations with a grain of salt. Most of the people on Balmung have been pretty nice although I do have a block list of a handful of rude individuals. I wont say "the community" is one way or the other.
I think the thing that will make your time in FFXIV the most enjoyable is making sure you can surround yourself with like-minded people. There is a lot you can accomplish solo in the game, but there's also certain things that it's better if you're able to approach it with other people you want to be around.
I think your first step should be finding a Free Company that is supportive of players that aren't just focused on endgame - one that regularly does dungeons and other activities together. Everything else will come naturally after that.
Ok, first off, as he is not currently subscribed.. I believe he may be mis-informed, I highly doubt he is deliberately telling a lie
Thanks for being reasonable, hopefully OP finds more people like you in the game.
No, I am not a "liar", I did indeed play and am NOT currently subbed. I was subbed a couple months ago.
I was in beta, got the game when it came out and after playing the first month knew it was not for me and left. Mostly due to not really liking the community. New game, same old people rushing for the WoW killer I think.
I discovered that while I didn't like the people I did miss the game After healing 11/12 HM ICC 25 in WoW for server firsts, FF had brought back a bit of raiding fun for me that I missed so much.
So I resubbed cause I loved healing and loved that it was slower combat with a ton of group content. I liked that I could swap between my two heal specs as needed and that combat was a nice mix of preemptive and reactive healing. I liked that I could set up for phase change burst or a boss ability, I liked that I had to change up my style based on being forced to move or correcting someone's error. I had macros for targets and spells that would show me the CD left on my stuff. Had Heal/DPS meter even though that's a nono.
I was just so grossly behind..I hadn't played since release and came back in my crappy dungeon gear with a piece of darklight or two.
Apr. 19, 2014 World Transfer USD 18.00
Apr. 17, 2014 Entry USD 12.99
There you go, my service history for the account. I had to transfer because I was originally on Coeurl and it was really dead. After research I heard good things bout Gilga and went there. So I looked up some guides on unlocks for each patch 2.1/2.2 and what I should being doing to play catchup. Here's one of the posts I recall using.
You'll notice the date from this post falls in line with the time in which I was subbed. Sadly I never found a guild or group to really play with. I joined one out of general chat but the leaders were really dramatic girls (nothing against girls, I'm one as well..just hate drama). They had no desire to help me catch up either. The guy from DnT told me I'd have a really hard time finding anyone to play with.
To OP: I wouldn't worry too much about it. Everyone has vastly different experiences and expectations. It sounds like you really had a FF itch and I think it's good that you try out both and see what works for you. FF is a solid game, just find some people worth playing with and listen to the good discussion that went on in this thread, lots of help for you to catch up and enjoy the game. Will cross fingers for you
One can't say the community in this game is downright stale, you haven't talked with every person in every FC and linkshell out there. There are some truly great FC's and im talking in personality and skill out there on this game and it's not the games fault if you come across some of the not so great ones.
That being said, no one can "help" you with atma grind. Its something they threw into the game that is entirely RNG based, though it is highly possible to do the second coil of bahamut and the rest of pve content with other weapons.
Don't resub. The game has no provisions to catch up with the core community and those that are still playing are driven to stay tight knit due to the difficulty of the content. I wish I could be more positive, but this game really is another one of those "follow the wave" type games where anyone who is ahead or behind the wave gets punished for it. The situation would be vastly different if crafting was implemented in a way that was actually meaningful to end game so there is a point to doing anything other than cooking and alchemy.
Originally posted by Colt47 Don't resub. The game has no provisions to catch up with the core community and those that are still playing are driven to stay tight knit due to the difficulty of the content. I wish I could be more positive, but this game really is another one of those "follow the wave" type games where anyone who is ahead or behind the wave gets punished for it. The situation would be vastly different if crafting was implemented in a way that was actually meaningful to end game so there is a point to doing anything other than cooking and alchemy.
If you get into a good FC you can catch up in a week. A friend of mine left the game a month after release. He came back, we helped with the story quests and fights. He's doing duty roullete and grinding myth.
We did a few nights of coil spamming. He was i55 when he came back.... two weeks later, he's i92 dragoon ready for turn 6.
I don't know if your claim of not catching up is necessarily correct. He caught up 9 months in 2 weeks. I understand if you can't get into a good FC, it will take longer.... but catching up is SUPER easy.
Originally posted by Colt47 Don't resub. The game has no provisions to catch up with the core community and those that are still playing are driven to stay tight knit due to the difficulty of the content. I wish I could be more positive, but this game really is another one of those "follow the wave" type games where anyone who is ahead or behind the wave gets punished for it. The situation would be vastly different if crafting was implemented in a way that was actually meaningful to end game so there is a point to doing anything other than cooking and alchemy.
Not sure if trolling, but removing the mythology cap was exactly that for combat players. Crafters got new recipes as well and didn't need a catch up because certain crafts actually lacked recipes initially.
Mods can lock this thread. I already decided to re sub to both ESO and FF XIV ARR. Again I appreciate all the feedback from everybody here but it's not even a discussion anymore as I have made up my mind and some are taking this a little too far.
Originally posted by Colt47 Don't resub. The game has no provisions to catch up with the core community and those that are still playing are driven to stay tight knit due to the difficulty of the content. I wish I could be more positive, but this game really is another one of those "follow the wave" type games where anyone who is ahead or behind the wave gets punished for it. The situation would be vastly different if crafting was implemented in a way that was actually meaningful to end game so there is a point to doing anything other than cooking and alchemy.
Not sure if trolling, but removing the mythology cap was exactly that for combat players. Crafters got new recipes as well and didn't need a catch up because certain crafts actually lacked recipes initially.
I'm mostly working with what the OP can do under his own power to catch up, as depending on the server getting into a good FC can be tricky. He's chosen to resub, though so the entire thing is mute.
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Attacking people is not the right way to go about proving a point. I too am thinking of resubscribing to FFXIV and if I were to listen to the community posts and then read yours.... well that pretty much seals the deal on where the community stands, and really doesn't make me want to resub. I've had enough of Toxic & Leetist communities over the years.
So you are kind of person who rather believe to sweet lie than raw truth? Because I am not.
I didnt call him lier without telling the truth. I am pointed out everything which hasnt be right. Its not personal attack but yeh if somebody is lier then he is.
Like I said before, there is nothing like GEAR SCORE elitist. Mostly for endgame content SKILL will be required or achiev.
Its OK because there are many people who spend many hours doing end game content and dont want unskilled people in group. Just stick with training parties and if you master turn or boss you can move on to pro party.
Just play at your own pace. Dont underestimate or overestimate your skill.
Btw if you was founder of one of eldest guild in game, how its come you didnt have friends to help you with gear or carry you if you are slow?
Ok, first off, as he is not currently subscribed.. I believe he may be mis-informed, I highly doubt he is deliberately telling a lie. I am not saying I believe a "sweet" lie, I am pointing out that by attacking him (calling him a liar) you are simply proving the statements made previously about the community.
The fact of the matter is, that is the general community comes off the way you did in your post, it simply proves the point of a poor community. You did everything in your post that he says happens in the community. You accused him of being a liar, and of being a bad player. This is not the way to foster good feelings towards a games community.
With so many games on the market in this day and age, and so many people tossing accusations and name calling within communities, spreading incorrect answers and the general douchebaggery that happens on a daily basis in these games, it is a wonder that any survive. Online communities have become toxic, filled with internet anonymity syndrome. Some games are worse than others (I am looking at you ArcheAge)... but it is running rampant. And I am going horribly off topic.. so I am just going to end this post here.
TheSlither: I get what you were trying to say, and I understand that english may not be your first language. But my advise to you is to give people the benefits of the doubt. Just because someone information might not be 100% current or correct, DOES NOT make them a liar. Perhaps they are just missinformed. Also, try to be a little more positive to your community/potential community, it will bring more players to the game.
It doesnt matter if you are ilvl90 at t7 or ilvl110. Why everybody thinks that gear matter something there?
If you are so overgeared in T6 or T7 you even sometimes have to wait between phases. Its common to stop dps after 2nd bee in T6 to wait for flower before leafstorm. Or at 37% at T7 for voice because you dont want to have voice when fighting 3rd phase ad. ETC.
People failing not because gear but because they are lack of skill and knowledge of mechanics. There are many people even in ilvl115 (100+15%echo) who cant beat t5 twintania.
1 thing i dont even undestand is why people who are even not subscribed to game giving advices to other people and telling them how good or bad it is in game.
Sorry but this makes me mad. Thats why my reaction was so arrogant.
The only thing you're doing with your accusations is making the game's community look bad, including myself. There's nothing wrong with pointing out erroneous statements, but throwing around accusations of lying is just rude.
Oh, and it's LIAR. Sheesh.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. FEAR THE OLD BLOOD.
#IStandWithVic
Lol i though that people here can atleast take some critism and truth.
I think that i will go back to reddit, atleast truth can be tell there and people dont mind if somebody is called stupid because they dont have truth
And OH people there actually playing game not just discussing their ideas they heard from friend of the friend mother horse potato.
And btw here you can learn something about so called GEAR SCORE CHECK ELITIST stuff and how GEAR help to avarage player http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/28ct90/buffed_t5_still_hard_for_many_players/
Well now i'm scared.
Anybody else wanna chime in and give their opinion?
Any and all feedback helps!
Should probably take broad generalizations with a grain of salt. Most of the people on Balmung have been pretty nice although I do have a block list of a handful of rude individuals. I wont say "the community" is one way or the other.
I think the thing that will make your time in FFXIV the most enjoyable is making sure you can surround yourself with like-minded people. There is a lot you can accomplish solo in the game, but there's also certain things that it's better if you're able to approach it with other people you want to be around.
I think your first step should be finding a Free Company that is supportive of players that aren't just focused on endgame - one that regularly does dungeons and other activities together. Everything else will come naturally after that.
Thanks for being reasonable, hopefully OP finds more people like you in the game.
No, I am not a "liar", I did indeed play and am NOT currently subbed. I was subbed a couple months ago.
I was in beta, got the game when it came out and after playing the first month knew it was not for me and left. Mostly due to not really liking the community. New game, same old people rushing for the WoW killer I think.
I discovered that while I didn't like the people I did miss the game
After healing 11/12 HM ICC 25 in WoW for server firsts, FF had brought back a bit of raiding fun for me that I missed so much.
So I resubbed cause I loved healing and loved that it was slower combat with a ton of group content. I liked that I could swap between my two heal specs as needed and that combat was a nice mix of preemptive and reactive healing. I liked that I could set up for phase change burst or a boss ability, I liked that I had to change up my style based on being forced to move or correcting someone's error. I had macros for targets and spells that would show me the CD left on my stuff. Had Heal/DPS meter even though that's a nono.
I was just so grossly behind..I hadn't played since release and came back in my crappy dungeon gear with a piece of darklight or two.
One can't say the community in this game is downright stale, you haven't talked with every person in every FC and linkshell out there. There are some truly great FC's and im talking in personality and skill out there on this game and it's not the games fault if you come across some of the not so great ones.
That being said, no one can "help" you with atma grind. Its something they threw into the game that is entirely RNG based, though it is highly possible to do the second coil of bahamut and the rest of pve content with other weapons.
Played-Everything
Playing-LoL
If you get into a good FC you can catch up in a week. A friend of mine left the game a month after release. He came back, we helped with the story quests and fights. He's doing duty roullete and grinding myth.
We did a few nights of coil spamming. He was i55 when he came back.... two weeks later, he's i92 dragoon ready for turn 6.
I don't know if your claim of not catching up is necessarily correct. He caught up 9 months in 2 weeks. I understand if you can't get into a good FC, it will take longer.... but catching up is SUPER easy.
Not sure if trolling, but removing the mythology cap was exactly that for combat players. Crafters got new recipes as well and didn't need a catch up because certain crafts actually lacked recipes initially.
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Playing-LoL
Mods can lock this thread. I already decided to re sub to both ESO and FF XIV ARR. Again I appreciate all the feedback from everybody here but it's not even a discussion anymore as I have made up my mind and some are taking this a little too far.
I'm mostly working with what the OP can do under his own power to catch up, as depending on the server getting into a good FC can be tricky. He's chosen to resub, though so the entire thing is mute.