I was hoping for something like Everquest. Where questing didn't account for 90% of the pve experience. I can't argue with mmo's being "heavily and traditionally quest based" though. That's true all the way back to the first mmo, World of Warcraft.
Oh, so you want a game that is grind only!
Well why didn't you say so?
That is every MMO.
I dunno, though gw2 did a good job of having no quests and not feeling like a grind.
Peeps! My point is if you don't like quests then grind.
If you don't like grind then quest.
And if you don't like option 1 or 2, then don't play MMO's.
Most quest hub based games force you to quest by lowering the mob XP so much that you can't advance at a reasonable rate without following the canned "content" that the devs put in via quests. Many even hard lock zones behind quest-walls where you can't advance without completing some storyline quest.
Thanks again Captain Obvious.
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Originally posted by MacShwangus Actually mobs in eq gave scaling exp depending on how hard they were. Which meant the harder the mob, the more exp it gave. So it pushed you towards more challenging mobs and zones. A lot were downright brutal and required a full group. It wasn't designed to be boring.ESO on the other hand...90% of the mobs are slightly weaker than you. There's no need to group for it. No incentive to fight challenging mobs as the exp difference is barely noticeable. You can plow through them without a notion of being killed. Not very exciting.Not sure why people only see the latter.
iirc, they had to tone down XP rewards in ESO because people grouped up for mob grinding and gained xp way too fast. So yeah, it is/was definitely doable.
Imo, you are just a person who recalls the "old times" but not realizing that you are burned out and cannot take more of the old any more yourself.
It is an effect of rose tinted glasses you experience, the truth is, even if they re-made the EQ, you would't enjoyed it as much as you did in the days back. Those days are simply gone and never come back. It's not the game, it's you.
Originally posted by MacShwangus I could. Both of these games made mob exp give a miniscule fixed amount to discourage people from doing it. I'd prefer to grind in a game that didn't intentionally make it boring.
Yes that is the definition of grind. Thank you Captain Obvious!
Sheesh!!
Actually mobs in eq gave scaling exp depending on how hard they were. Which meant the harder the mob, the more exp it gave. So it pushed you towards more challenging mobs and zones. A lot were downright brutal and required a full group. It wasn't designed to be boring.
ESO on the other hand...90% of the mobs are slightly weaker than you. There's no need to group for it. No incentive to fight challenging mobs as the exp difference is barely noticeable. You can plow through them without a notion of being killed. Not very exciting.
Not sure why people only see the latter.
Well then, you be sure to let Zeno know exactly what the right level of exp for grinding is, because I am sure they never gave it much thought.
Hmm do you think the fact that it is a sub game might have anything to do with this? Or perhaps, just the fact that most Elder Scrolls games are like this?
Its a mystery why the level of grind was not set exactly to your liking. Clearly a huge oversight on Zenimax part!
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I think that even though they are not using the term much (it is used) they are still offering quests. And while you may (not sure) be able to pvp your way through the game, it sounds like they have a "story" which will only be advanced if you particate in things that sound strangely like....quests.
I am not really too enthused about this game as it is not coming to PC (yet..if ever) so I have no vested interest on way or the other.
Other questless games off the top of my head:
H1N1 (Sony..in development)
RUST
DayZ
7 Days to Die
Everything I've read about Destiny says it's a highly cinematic experience, with lots of "story". I doubt that would be a good option for the OP.
As for his question we'll have to see when we get there, I can't really think of anything except some indie titles like Life is Feudal, The Repop, and others like those. Yet even those may involve questing.
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iirc, they had to tone down XP rewards in ESO because people grouped up for mob grinding and gained xp way too fast. So yeah, it is/was definitely doable.
Imo, you are just a person who recalls the "old times" but not realizing that you are burned out and cannot take more of the old any more yourself.
It is an effect of rose tinted glasses you experience, the truth is, even if they re-made the EQ, you would't enjoyed it as much as you did in the days back. Those days are simply gone and never come back. It's not the game, it's you.
They did remake it, EQ2. You could level entirely in dungeons if you wanted. It was great. I still have a fun time grinding in it. Not sure why it couldn't be done a third time.
I never said what im looking for had to be an eq remake though. It's preferred but not likely going to happen.
It's just hard to believe the creative plateau for pve is "follow the road of errands".
Originally posted by MacShwangus They did remake it, EQ2. You could level entirely in dungeons if you wanted. It was great. I still have a fun time grinding in it. Not sure why it couldn't be done a third time.I never said what im looking for had to be an eq remake though. It's preferred but not likely going to happen.It's just hard to believe the creative plateau for pve is "follow the road of errands".
This just confirms what I said earlier - it's not the game, it's you.
Even so much story driven SWTOR, you can just level up to max via flashpoints, operations, warzones, space missions or star fighter. Most game provide similar leveling options but that isn't want you are really after.
No matter game we suggest to you or you play, it won't satisfy you. You want something that cannot be experienced again.
Pretty much any MMO can be advanced via mob grinding.
Asian MMOs are you best friend there and Tera is the first on the list that comes on my mind.
I will happy if Tera is mob grind in first place.
But i have to remind you Tera not build for "mobs grind" it's quest hubs game .
If you mean grind "BAM" then the speed is total slower than questing at same level. You can have fun with BAM in lower level but when go higher , doing quests still a better chose.
Originally posted by iixviiiixI will happy if Tera is mob grind in first place.But i have to remind you Tera not build for "mobs grind" it's quest hubs game .If you mean grind "BAM" then the speed is total slower than questing at same level. You can have fun with BAM in lower level but when go higher , doing quests still a better chose.
Ah, good old "I won't be grinding because people doing the quests will make 10% XP/hour more"...
You people really need to make up your mind, it's just silly.
Also, you are wrong. Mob/BAM grinding in Tera is at least equally fast as doing quests(imo it is faster if you do it right), especially for lower level characters...which makes me question whether you even played the game.
But i have to remind you Tera not build for "mobs grind" it's quest hubs game .
If you mean grind "BAM" then the speed is total slower than questing at same level. You can have fun with BAM in lower level but when go higher , doing quests still a better chose.
Ah, good old "I won't be grinding because people doing the quests will make 10% XP/hour more"...
You people really need to make up your mind, it's just silly.
Also, you are wrong. Mob/BAM grinding in Tera is at least equally fast as doing quests(imo it is faster if you do it right), especially for lower level characters...which makes me question whether you even played the game.
Ready ? i do both BAM and quests , but quests make it faster.
And more than that , you hardly get good gears from grind mobs. I don't mean you don't get any , but the loots is pretty random
Quests still give you gears for your class that match your level and help you enchant items.
In many way , solo mob grind in quests hubs game isolate you to the point you want to quit as soon as possible .
But in the game wasn't quest hubs from start , it enjoyable .
They are 2 difference cases , so you using "good old" are wrong.
It not about old or new but the difference of design.
Though if you know some friend to grind mob with you in quest hubs themepark then it fun.
as I mentioned before Questing is a game mechanic of the past. its already antiquated.
Grind?
well If my crafted item needs 2 of item Y, 1 of item X, 4 of item Z and all those items come from different mobs but I dont have the skills to fight those mobs, then I can put a request for those items on my totem and you can go get them and I will give a reward.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Well then, I guess questing wins. The general consensus seems to be that mob grinding has the same mechanics in every game. Also, it's impossible for one game to make it more enjoyable than another. I think I'll be sticking with mobas for a while. Thanks for the suggestions though.
Originally posted by MacShwangus Well then, I guess questing wins. The general consensus seems to be that mob grinding has the same mechanics in every game. Also, it's impossible for one game to make it more enjoyable than another. I think I'll be sticking with mobas for a while. Thanks for the suggestions though.
I havent played a quest based MMO in about 7 years and I have been playing MMOs for that time.
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Originally posted by MacShwangus I could. Both of these games made mob exp give a miniscule fixed amount to discourage people from doing it. I'd prefer to grind in a game that didn't intentionally make it boring.
Yes that is the definition of grind. Thank you Captain Obvious!
Sheesh!!
Actually mobs in eq gave scaling exp depending on how hard they were. Which meant the harder the mob, the more exp it gave. So it pushed you towards more challenging mobs and zones. A lot were downright brutal and required a full group. It wasn't designed to be boring.
ESO on the other hand...90% of the mobs are slightly weaker than you. There's no need to group for it. No incentive to fight challenging mobs as the exp difference is barely noticeable. You can plow through them without a notion of being killed. Not very exciting.
Not sure why people only see the latter.
I miss those times so hard. Keep getting back to Everquest for that very reason. I too just can not stand the "brilliant design" that is questgrinding anymore. Id much rather grind mobs with some others and getting to know new people.
Quests are a brilliant design, are they not? Playing a massive multiplayer game, without havinbg to interact with others! Pure genius.
MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.
Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?
I havent played a quest based MMO in about 7 years and I have been playing MMOs for that time.
Darkfall, Xyson, Wurm Online, Eve
hello?
I was looking for something upcoming. I'd probably just go back to eq if I were to play something old. What are you playing now?
Wurm at the moment.
If I was looking for a new MMO (which I am not right now) I would be looking closely to Life is Feudal. Which looks like a very deep and engaging game.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Originally posted by MacShwangus Well then, I guess questing wins. The general consensus seems to be that mob grinding has the same mechanics in every game. Also, it's impossible for one game to make it more enjoyable than another. I think I'll be sticking with mobas for a while. Thanks for the suggestions though.
See, I told you so...you won't be happy with anything. It's you, not the game.
I havent played a quest based MMO in about 7 years and I have been playing MMOs for that time.
Darkfall, Xyson, Wurm Online, Eve
hello?
I was looking for something upcoming. I'd probably just go back to eq if I were to play something old. What are you playing now?
Read up on Camelot Unchained, The Repopulation, Life is Feudal and Pathfinder OL, IF you're looking for something different one of them may appeal to you.
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Questing is ESSENTIAL to MMO as are wheels to car. One can not exist without other. Never worked and never will. Would be still playing Gw2 IF there would be classic questing. With exception of course of pure PVP games.
I was hoping for something like Everquest. Where questing didn't account for 90% of the pve experience. I can't argue with mmo's being "heavily and traditionally quest based" though. That's true all the way back to the first mmo, World of Warcraft.
Nope.... Neverwinter Nights on AOL was technically the first... but you youngins'll get it someday.
Anyhow, I don't think you're really looking for an MMO at all if you don't want quests. Especially if you're more interested in PvE than PvP. Guess the closest you can find right now is GW2 since you get xp just for realizing your pinky toe is smaller than the big one. Quests are an inherent part of MMO's, and since traditionally, MMO's are put into the RPG category, that pretty much means quests. Might wanna try pac man or mario bros. or something /shrug
WoW was not the first MMO obviously. But that game - Neverwinter Nights on AOL - was not a MMORPG. So it can't be the first MMORPG Just saying.
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Well then, I guess questing wins. The general consensus seems to be that mob grinding has the same mechanics in every game. Also, it's impossible for one game to make it more enjoyable than another. I think I'll be sticking with mobas for a while. Thanks for the suggestions though.
See, I told you so...you won't be happy with anything. It's you, not the game.
Meh I'm happy with plenty, Eq1 and 2, Vanguard, Diablo 3 were all great for a while. I like WoW because you could level through dungeons had a lot of replay value. They were well designed too. There's only three dungeons in Wildstar I believe. The ones in ESO are copy pasted and only have one non-repeatable quest for exp. Without going indie or asian it just seems to hard find a new game with good pve. For me anyway. Diablo 4 would be nice.
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iirc, they had to tone down XP rewards in ESO because people grouped up for mob grinding and gained xp way too fast. So yeah, it is/was definitely doable.
Imo, you are just a person who recalls the "old times" but not realizing that you are burned out and cannot take more of the old any more yourself.
It is an effect of rose tinted glasses you experience, the truth is, even if they re-made the EQ, you would't enjoyed it as much as you did in the days back. Those days are simply gone and never come back. It's not the game, it's you.
Pathfinder Online is a good suggestion, it's a high fantasy title with a big focus on player interaction and all that sandboxy thing.
Another one I personally am looking forward to is Shards Online, which practically speaking is an UO clone with the possibility of player-run servers.
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Well then, you be sure to let Zeno know exactly what the right level of exp for grinding is, because I am sure they never gave it much thought.
Hmm do you think the fact that it is a sub game might have anything to do with this? Or perhaps, just the fact that most Elder Scrolls games are like this?
Its a mystery why the level of grind was not set exactly to your liking. Clearly a huge oversight on Zenimax part!
FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!
Everything I've read about Destiny says it's a highly cinematic experience, with lots of "story". I doubt that would be a good option for the OP.
As for his question we'll have to see when we get there, I can't really think of anything except some indie titles like Life is Feudal, The Repop, and others like those. Yet even those may involve questing.
CU?
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They did remake it, EQ2. You could level entirely in dungeons if you wanted. It was great. I still have a fun time grinding in it. Not sure why it couldn't be done a third time.
I never said what im looking for had to be an eq remake though. It's preferred but not likely going to happen.
It's just hard to believe the creative plateau for pve is "follow the road of errands".
This just confirms what I said earlier - it's not the game, it's you.
Even so much story driven SWTOR, you can just level up to max via flashpoints, operations, warzones, space missions or star fighter. Most game provide similar leveling options but that isn't want you are really after.
No matter game we suggest to you or you play, it won't satisfy you. You want something that cannot be experienced again.
I will happy if Tera is mob grind in first place.
But i have to remind you Tera not build for "mobs grind" it's quest hubs game .
If you mean grind "BAM" then the speed is total slower than questing at same level. You can have fun with BAM in lower level but when go higher , doing quests still a better chose.
Ah, good old "I won't be grinding because people doing the quests will make 10% XP/hour more"...
You people really need to make up your mind, it's just silly.
Also, you are wrong. Mob/BAM grinding in Tera is at least equally fast as doing quests(imo it is faster if you do it right), especially for lower level characters...which makes me question whether you even played the game.
Ready ? i do both BAM and quests , but quests make it faster.
And more than that , you hardly get good gears from grind mobs. I don't mean you don't get any , but the loots is pretty random
Quests still give you gears for your class that match your level and help you enchant items.
In many way , solo mob grind in quests hubs game isolate you to the point you want to quit as soon as possible .
But in the game wasn't quest hubs from start , it enjoyable .
They are 2 difference cases , so you using "good old" are wrong.
It not about old or new but the difference of design.
Though if you know some friend to grind mob with you in quest hubs themepark then it fun.
as I mentioned before Questing is a game mechanic of the past. its already antiquated.
Grind?
well If my crafted item needs 2 of item Y, 1 of item X, 4 of item Z and all those items come from different mobs but I dont have the skills to fight those mobs, then I can put a request for those items on my totem and you can go get them and I will give a reward.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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I havent played a quest based MMO in about 7 years and I have been playing MMOs for that time.
Darkfall, Xyson, Wurm Online, Eve
hello?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I was looking for something upcoming. I'd probably just go back to eq if I were to play something old. What are you playing now?
FFXIV:ARR
You don't need to do many quests, just go participate in fates all day.
I miss those times so hard. Keep getting back to Everquest for that very reason. I too just can not stand the "brilliant design" that is questgrinding anymore. Id much rather grind mobs with some others and getting to know new people.
Quests are a brilliant design, are they not? Playing a massive multiplayer game, without havinbg to interact with others! Pure genius.
MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.
Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?
Wurm at the moment.
If I was looking for a new MMO (which I am not right now) I would be looking closely to Life is Feudal. Which looks like a very deep and engaging game.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
See, I told you so...you won't be happy with anything. It's you, not the game.
Read up on Camelot Unchained, The Repopulation, Life is Feudal and Pathfinder OL, IF you're looking for something different one of them may appeal to you.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
As usual, Asian mmo is out of the question.
Sigh.
Ah, here is the true thing. Mob/bam grinding is at least equal to questing, you just prefer the latter.
TERA is the game that has fully viable mob grinding and many leveling guides even recommend doing so.
Also, if you find quest gear useful, you level damn slow
EDIT:
And I have another asian game where mob grinding is viable even more, Archlord 2. It is in closed/open(?) beta currently, iirc.
WoW was not the first MMO obviously. But that game - Neverwinter Nights on AOL - was not a MMORPG. So it can't be the first MMORPG
Just saying.
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Meh I'm happy with plenty, Eq1 and 2, Vanguard, Diablo 3 were all great for a while. I like WoW because you could level through dungeons had a lot of replay value. They were well designed too. There's only three dungeons in Wildstar I believe. The ones in ESO are copy pasted and only have one non-repeatable quest for exp. Without going indie or asian it just seems to hard find a new game with good pve. For me anyway. Diablo 4 would be nice.