Well after trying the beta today and seeing how the class system works, this game is doomed before release. Everything levels together, which means there will be no longevity to the game. People will hit 50, mess around a bit then get bored.
Originally posted by Albatroes Well after trying the beta today and seeing how the class system works, this game is doomed before release. Everything levels together, which means there will be no longevity to the game. People will hit 50, mess around a bit then get bored.
Except the people who love pvp and sandpark games. The only one who hate this mmo are the carebears and thecarrot on a stick themepark boys who cant create their own meta game or socialise with their guild to wreck havoc on the open worlds.
Gotte love the carebear / freeloader tears on every archeage post
I thought it would be better though I'm still trying to enjoy it, hoping it will grow on me after I level past the beginning. I had to turn the music off though, I felt like for my crimes I was sentenced to hard time in a Cuban kindergarten.
Originally posted by Arthasm Level 19 here. If this is PVP game, where the fuck is PVP? All night generic quests. If this is PVP game, I'll better go play CS, action out of box. Seriously, you need to go all way to level cap by doing quest for piece of PK?
Originally posted by Arthasm Level 19 here. If this is PVP game, where the fuck is PVP? All night generic quests. If this is PVP game, I'll better go play CS, action out of box. Seriously, you need to go all way to level cap by doing quest for piece of PK?
You don't have to get to level cap to pvp.
You can do it at level 1.
Go get your rowboat and go out on the ocean and find red named guys carrying trade packs. Kill them and take their trade packs and sell them for gold.
You don't have to follow the boring quest hubs, the game is open from the start.
You're just gonna find that as a level 1 in a rowboat you're not going to be a very fearsome or successful pirate.
I'm not trying to make it out like you just aren't doing it right or playing the game right. It is the game's major failing that it leads people through a horribly mediocre themepark style level up experience like so many wow clones before it. Archeage shines in the late game just as hard as it sucks in the early game.
Quests suck. Nobody does quests in Archeage. Quests are something newbies do for newbie reasons.
I'm not defending it. I don't like it either. But that is Archeage.
The only alternative is to level up with labor and early on that can be a slow process. After level 30 or so it gets easier to ignore quests and just craft, fish, farm, mine, etc.. to level 50.
The only alternative is to level up with labor and early on that can be a slow process. After level 30 or so it gets easier to ignore quests and just craft, fish, farm, mine, etc.. to level 50.
How on earth do you level-up using only Labor Points ? Is that even remotely possible without a monthly sub ?
It feels like even the trash mob loot packages require LP to open, so once you're out of quests, your earning potential must be dismal if you're not a Patron....
The only alternative is to level up with labor and early on that can be a slow process. After level 30 or so it gets easier to ignore quests and just craft, fish, farm, mine, etc.. to level 50.
How on earth do you level-up using only Labor Points ? Is that even remotely possible without a monthly sub ?
It feels like even the trash mob loot packages require LP to open, so once you're out of quests, your earning potential must be dismal if you're not a Patron....
Before 1.2 it was viable, now you pretty much just have to have Patron. F2p players have only quests as a way to lvl and make money. With only quests you get around 200g at lvl 50, just buy a patron with gold asap and catch up to others.
The only alternative is to level up with labor and early on that can be a slow process. After level 30 or so it gets easier to ignore quests and just craft, fish, farm, mine, etc.. to level 50.
How on earth do you level-up using only Labor Points ? Is that even remotely possible without a monthly sub ?
It feels like even the trash mob loot packages require LP to open, so once you're out of quests, your earning potential must be dismal if you're not a Patron....
I wouldn't recommend anyone play this game for free any more than I would recommend they try to play their days out in WOW for free.
If you want to get the most out of AA you need to sub to the game.
Its not a free ride. No matter what anyone tells you.
I'm not a fan of questing in MMO's. I would rather this game have the same concept with zero questing, just make things take longer. Personally I'd rather gather materials for the first week or two to build a boat or property than run around doing quests. I do enjoy this game other than the questing, and I like the hidden items because it keeps everyone from looking similar.
The more I play the more I like it, looking forward to playing again later.
Originally posted by Arthasm Level 19 here. If this is PVP game, where the fuck is PVP? All night generic quests. If this is PVP game, I'll better go play CS, action out of box. Seriously, you need to go all way to level cap by doing quest for piece of PK?
This was the problem I had with Archeage.
The abysmal asian quest grind put me off the game before I even got the good stuff. Its the worst kind of quest hub experience I have had in a long time. Constant running between npcs and killing a few enemies. You get your mount and learn how to grow crops only to engage on more of the same boring questing.
Originally posted by Arthasm Level 19 here. If this is PVP game, where the fuck is PVP? All night generic quests. If this is PVP game, I'll better go play CS, action out of box. Seriously, you need to go all way to level cap by doing quest for piece of PK?
This is just as much a PvE as much as it's PvP game.
Is this really something you can't comprehend by yourself?
Well you did answer yourself I supose, if you don't want to PvE than MMORPGs are most likely not for you, while CS probably is.
Originally posted by Arthasm Level 19 here. If this is PVP game, where the fuck is PVP? All night generic quests. If this is PVP game, I'll better go play CS, action out of box. Seriously, you need to go all way to level cap by doing quest for piece of PK?
No, normally you need to get to level 30 before the PVP becomes more frequent, and then you have to be careful of what you wish for.
But if you are in a hurry, just jump in a boat or port up to the northlands and you'll find some PVP real quick.
What's odd is some folks think this is a difficult thing to do (get to level 30), shows their lack of patience and this most likely isn't the game for them. (also, it's just not that hard to get there, we're not talking a L2 grind here)
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Originally posted by SuperNick This is a themepark MMO that has LOTS of features. Sandbox it is not.
Never been a sandbox, it's a sandpark.
Yeah sounds about right.
It's a decent enough game for F2P.
I'm sure it will fill the market of "can't afford subs / have a bad PC" since that seems to be the focus of it. The CryEngine 3 is capable of so much more but everything seems scaled back to allow for low end PCs to run it well.
It seems there are tons of people who have been crying their eyeballs out to change this mmo into carebear land and failed so hard they need to make hate posts
That or Freeloaders who want anything for free and just puke out their frustration that Trion puts up that middlefinger and say pay a sub or get recked.
Either way i have yet to play an mmo "except Eve Online" that offers so many features in an open world without loading screens.
I had my doubts about Archeage but after playing on Russian server and buying the alpha pack i still enjoy this mmo more then any other mmo for the past decade bar WOW.
Man after Warhammer / SWTOR / Aion / ESO failures this is certainly one mmo i cant get enough from. Sucks for those people who expected a themepark carebear carrot on a stick freeloader mmo tough. It wasnt ment to be for them.
Archeage is nowhere near perfection, but atleast its 10 times more fun to toplay then anything i played past 10 years. And the best part is that Trion puts up their middle finger to freeloaders and wallet warriors.
Why is it okay for them, when people have been complaining about every other company doing this for years? EA, SOE, Funcom and many others have tried pushing people to sub in their MMO's for a long while now, some how that was "greedy" and morally bankrupt of them.
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If you choose to do the quest lines and run from hub to hub this game will feel like a really bad mainstream themepark. ESO, Wildstar, XIV will blow it out of the water in the quest Side.
If you do not do any quest besides the ones that unlock things and you focus on piracy, gardening, crafting, trade, treasure hunts, building things. The game will seem like a sandbox style game.
Hence why people call it a sandpark. It is both. NO IT IS NOT A PURE SANDBOX. But it is not also not even close to the standard themepark.
The problem I have with this game is that I keep asking myself "When is this going to get fun?"
Games are played for entertainment. If you aren't entertained upon login, the game is failing at its purpose. I keep hearing "It gets fun later on!" Why isn't it fun now? That, IMO, is a big failure on the developers.
But before AA i never built my own small boat to sail the sea, or war frigate to pirate or protect trate ships.
Before AA i never dreamed of taming world elite mob, to have as my pet.
Before AA i never loged in just to sit on a balconi, of my guild`s mension(that we spend month to build) and enjoy the sunset. And believe you me the sunset view on some islands are just mind blowing.
Before AA i never had a farm and had a mount that i raise from a baby.
Before AA i never just explore. It was like borring A to B. AA changed it.
I agree most of the staff that you mentioned been done before. And some of it still annoy me sometimes. But its not something that will stop me enjoying AA.
AA is what you and your friends make of it. No more, no less.
I find it interesting to see the differences of opinions for this game now that the masses have had a chance to play it for free, as compared to the $150 paid alpha. Everyone that was posting about this game previously was posting about how amazingly epic it is... now that others have had a chance to check it out in closed beta (for free) the main opinion on it seems to be that it sucks... lol.
So basically, it's either amazing if you paid for it... or it's a horrible piece of garbage from the free perspective...
In my opinion after playing it a bit yesterday, for free mind you, I must admit that I don't think I would go as far to say the things that the alpha players were praising it on. First I'll list the negative since that's what most like to read about here anyways...
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(Negatives)
I found it to be a little dated graphically... but it is several years old at this point. I kept thinking to myself that it looked like a second class version of FFXIV in terms of graphic style.
The cash shop had some questionable items listed in it for "convenience" purposes only... I mean really why even have the cash shop if they really just want people to subscribe, or pay the equivalent of a subscription fee in the shop, enough with this crap already. Just offer a damn trial and go full subscription... if its good people will pay it.
After playing some of the more action based combat MMO's of recently the system in ArcheAge felt very... well... archaic... and I kept finding myself wanting to do that damn double jump... curse you Wildstar!
It has those odd cultural differences... which is to be expected since it's not a Western MMO... but still it is noticeable and it typically isn't my style of game. If it's really good though it can be overlooked, like FFXIV is in my opinion.
(Positives)
It's Sandboxy? Which includes features such as...
Moving around and even jumping while dancing... which I found to be entertaining in crowds of people.
Climbing trees for things to gather...
Lots of stuff to craft...
A lot of class combinations
Ummm....
Oh yeah, It has boats!
... can't really think of anything else at the moment.
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Granted, my opinion is based on only a very limited amount played... and I don't think that it is horrible... but I do agree with a lot of what the OP mentioned. I will definitely keep playing it through the beta weekend, and most likely when it releases... but I wouldn't praise it quite as much as I've seen on these forums recently. This of course is purely personal opinion based on a limited free perspective in closed beta and coming from someone who has 15 years of MMO gaming "experience".
I was playing AA and thinking on how much it looked like my days in EQ2 back in the day. Sure the graphics were a little better but nothing radical. Then it hit me, that was 10 years ago!
then in 2008 I started playing Darkall an MMO created by a small team of developers which is better than AA is today.
Its amazing how slow gaming progress has been over the last 15 years
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Except the people who love pvp and sandpark games.
The only one who hate this mmo are the carebears and thecarrot on a stick themepark boys who cant create their own meta game or socialise with their guild to wreck havoc on the open worlds.
Gotte love the carebear / freeloader tears on every archeage post
Do I understand correctly that AA is for the selected few ie elite of the elite of MMO players? Good luck then keeping that game running
Lvl 30+ dude. 1-29 is to please the carebears.
You don't have to get to level cap to pvp.
You can do it at level 1.
Go get your rowboat and go out on the ocean and find red named guys carrying trade packs. Kill them and take their trade packs and sell them for gold.
You don't have to follow the boring quest hubs, the game is open from the start.
You're just gonna find that as a level 1 in a rowboat you're not going to be a very fearsome or successful pirate.
I'm not trying to make it out like you just aren't doing it right or playing the game right. It is the game's major failing that it leads people through a horribly mediocre themepark style level up experience like so many wow clones before it. Archeage shines in the late game just as hard as it sucks in the early game.
Quests suck. Nobody does quests in Archeage. Quests are something newbies do for newbie reasons.
I'm not defending it. I don't like it either. But that is Archeage.
The only alternative is to level up with labor and early on that can be a slow process. After level 30 or so it gets easier to ignore quests and just craft, fish, farm, mine, etc.. to level 50.
Never been a sandbox, it's a sandpark.
How on earth do you level-up using only Labor Points ? Is that even remotely possible without a monthly sub ?
It feels like even the trash mob loot packages require LP to open, so once you're out of quests, your earning potential must be dismal if you're not a Patron....
Before 1.2 it was viable, now you pretty much just have to have Patron. F2p players have only quests as a way to lvl and make money. With only quests you get around 200g at lvl 50, just buy a patron with gold asap and catch up to others.
I wouldn't recommend anyone play this game for free any more than I would recommend they try to play their days out in WOW for free.
If you want to get the most out of AA you need to sub to the game.
Its not a free ride. No matter what anyone tells you.
I'm not a fan of questing in MMO's. I would rather this game have the same concept with zero questing, just make things take longer. Personally I'd rather gather materials for the first week or two to build a boat or property than run around doing quests. I do enjoy this game other than the questing, and I like the hidden items because it keeps everyone from looking similar.
The more I play the more I like it, looking forward to playing again later.
This was the problem I had with Archeage.
The abysmal asian quest grind put me off the game before I even got the good stuff. Its the worst kind of quest hub experience I have had in a long time. Constant running between npcs and killing a few enemies. You get your mount and learn how to grow crops only to engage on more of the same boring questing.
This is just as much a PvE as much as it's PvP game.
Is this really something you can't comprehend by yourself?
Well you did answer yourself I supose, if you don't want to PvE than MMORPGs are most likely not for you, while CS probably is.
No, normally you need to get to level 30 before the PVP becomes more frequent, and then you have to be careful of what you wish for.
But if you are in a hurry, just jump in a boat or port up to the northlands and you'll find some PVP real quick.
What's odd is some folks think this is a difficult thing to do (get to level 30), shows their lack of patience and this most likely isn't the game for them. (also, it's just not that hard to get there, we're not talking a L2 grind here)
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Yeah sounds about right.
It's a decent enough game for F2P.
I'm sure it will fill the market of "can't afford subs / have a bad PC" since that seems to be the focus of it. The CryEngine 3 is capable of so much more but everything seems scaled back to allow for low end PCs to run it well.
It seems there are tons of people who have been crying their eyeballs out to change this mmo into carebear land and failed so hard they need to make hate posts
That or Freeloaders who want anything for free and just puke out their frustration that Trion puts up that middlefinger and say pay a sub or get recked.
Either way i have yet to play an mmo "except Eve Online" that offers so many features in an open world without loading screens.
I had my doubts about Archeage but after playing on Russian server and buying the alpha pack i still enjoy this mmo more then any other mmo for the past decade bar WOW.
Man after Warhammer / SWTOR / Aion / ESO failures this is certainly one mmo i cant get enough from.
Sucks for those people who expected a themepark carebear carrot on a stick freeloader mmo tough.
It wasnt ment to be for them.
Why is it okay for them, when people have been complaining about every other company doing this for years? EA, SOE, Funcom and many others have tried pushing people to sub in their MMO's for a long while now, some how that was "greedy" and morally bankrupt of them.
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If you choose to do the quest lines and run from hub to hub this game will feel like a really bad mainstream themepark. ESO, Wildstar, XIV will blow it out of the water in the quest Side.
If you do not do any quest besides the ones that unlock things and you focus on piracy, gardening, crafting, trade, treasure hunts, building things. The game will seem like a sandbox style game.
Hence why people call it a sandpark. It is both. NO IT IS NOT A PURE SANDBOX. But it is not also not even close to the standard themepark.
The problem I have with this game is that I keep asking myself "When is this going to get fun?"
Games are played for entertainment. If you aren't entertained upon login, the game is failing at its purpose. I keep hearing "It gets fun later on!" Why isn't it fun now? That, IMO, is a big failure on the developers.
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QUESTING in every mmo has never been ground breaking... Swtor and Eso were the two best imo...
Warhammer online/RIFT had a great public quest system where you got credit togther as players in the area...
The biggest thing the game offers is pvp... C'mon mannnn you didnt even try it yet!?? wtf...
Yes we all been there. Yes we all done that.
But before AA i never built my own small boat to sail the sea, or war frigate to pirate or protect trate ships.
Before AA i never dreamed of taming world elite mob, to have as my pet.
Before AA i never loged in just to sit on a balconi, of my guild`s mension(that we spend month to build) and enjoy the sunset. And believe you me the sunset view on some islands are just mind blowing.
Before AA i never had a farm and had a mount that i raise from a baby.
Before AA i never just explore. It was like borring A to B. AA changed it.
I agree most of the staff that you mentioned been done before. And some of it still annoy me sometimes. But its not something that will stop me enjoying AA.
AA is what you and your friends make of it. No more, no less.
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I find it interesting to see the differences of opinions for this game now that the masses have had a chance to play it for free, as compared to the $150 paid alpha. Everyone that was posting about this game previously was posting about how amazingly epic it is... now that others have had a chance to check it out in closed beta (for free) the main opinion on it seems to be that it sucks... lol.
So basically, it's either amazing if you paid for it... or it's a horrible piece of garbage from the free perspective...
In my opinion after playing it a bit yesterday, for free mind you, I must admit that I don't think I would go as far to say the things that the alpha players were praising it on. First I'll list the negative since that's what most like to read about here anyways...
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(Negatives)
I found it to be a little dated graphically... but it is several years old at this point. I kept thinking to myself that it looked like a second class version of FFXIV in terms of graphic style.
The cash shop had some questionable items listed in it for "convenience" purposes only... I mean really why even have the cash shop if they really just want people to subscribe, or pay the equivalent of a subscription fee in the shop, enough with this crap already. Just offer a damn trial and go full subscription... if its good people will pay it.
After playing some of the more action based combat MMO's of recently the system in ArcheAge felt very... well... archaic... and I kept finding myself wanting to do that damn double jump... curse you Wildstar!
It has those odd cultural differences... which is to be expected since it's not a Western MMO... but still it is noticeable and it typically isn't my style of game. If it's really good though it can be overlooked, like FFXIV is in my opinion.
(Positives)
It's Sandboxy? Which includes features such as...
Moving around and even jumping while dancing... which I found to be entertaining in crowds of people.
Climbing trees for things to gather...
Lots of stuff to craft...
A lot of class combinations
Ummm....
Oh yeah, It has boats!
... can't really think of anything else at the moment.
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Granted, my opinion is based on only a very limited amount played... and I don't think that it is horrible... but I do agree with a lot of what the OP mentioned. I will definitely keep playing it through the beta weekend, and most likely when it releases... but I wouldn't praise it quite as much as I've seen on these forums recently. This of course is purely personal opinion based on a limited free perspective in closed beta and coming from someone who has 15 years of MMO gaming "experience".
I was playing AA and thinking on how much it looked like my days in EQ2 back in the day. Sure the graphics were a little better but nothing radical. Then it hit me, that was 10 years ago!
then in 2008 I started playing Darkall an MMO created by a small team of developers which is better than AA is today.
Its amazing how slow gaming progress has been over the last 15 years
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