Calling $75 worth of cash shop goodies a good deal is ridiculous, you are forced to pay $75 for cash shop items you would have never bought just to be part of a preview game and you think its a good deal?
No you buy it because you think it is worth investing it because you want to play the game serious.
You will need the credits, the glider, mount gives you an advantage at the start of the game. The six extra shop boxes will give you potions that speed up your leveling.
and most important, 4 days headstart ofc
Originally posted by Dihoru
75$ worth of cash shop currency, the (I assume) limited edition (no post founder pack availability) desert set, the cloak, some items to help speed up the acquisition of certain things (the top level one came with a kit to design your own crest from the get go), the glider and 3 months worth of patron. Just saying you should add in everything not just what you disregard because you do not want to play the game.
Here i give you some shiny colorful glass pearls and you give me your gold. Not surprised this still works to this day.
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I can understand the need to defend your purchase of the shiny pearls but it does not make you look less like someone took advantage of you.
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And NO, it does not make a difference if you have millions of $ to spend and you don't care how much ALPHA costs, it also does not matter that you think its a good deal because fact is that you bought some virtual bits for $75 and spent another $75 to actually get access to those virtual bits and do something with them for a month.
Originally posted by lugal I don't get what there is to test, the game is launched on 2 continents already. All this company is doing is milking suckers for money.
The server infrastructure need testing so the launch can be smooth. I have seen no problems at all though.
Suckers as you call them are not as stupid as you think, they know that what they buy, its called founders packs because you give extra support, so the developers can give the game extra support.
So if everything is running great for you, wonderful. But how about those that are having issues? Is there a working system in place to isolate what may be causing these issues? I have seen some little articles about common steps to help with reported Hackshield issues, but there are still a number of people (as evidenced) by the posts on the bug report and tech support forums that are having issues with just launching the game.
If you can't even solve the issue that is prohibiting people from entering your said game then you have a problem on your hands.
I heard there is one more beta weekend after this, so im sure they solve all issues before launch
Originally posted by grimal
(Sorry for double post).
That's another thing that irks me. These beta events are just early sneak peaks. Why even call them beta events any more? Just call them for what they are.
Didnt you just say there are lots of issues that need fixing?
Originally posted by KookidTo all those who have not joined the Beta test yet, I'll let you know that there are many features (such as auction house, or building a house) that will not work unless you have bought a founder's pack.As many know, when joining a beta test for an mmorpg, the main focus should be on finding bugs and reporting those bugs in order for them to get fixed so that when the game launches everyone can enjoy the game with almost flawless functionality.Allowing players to beta test a game is a cheap, quick way of finding out what problems your game might have and needs fixing BEFORE you sell the game, and in exchange, you allow eager impatient players to test out your game before launch.Paying for the game should be the decision you take after you decide that you like the game, and to influence players to pay for the game for full basic functionality during a beta test is an unclassy, cheap move.Granted, the founder's pack gets you exclusive items, and you must pay to have full functionality when the game launches anyway, though the fact still is that this is still a testing phase aimed at getting rid of problems.I am not sure what message Trion sends across when it asks for money from players who are helping it get rid of bugs for free in exchange for playing the game (in this case, without full functionality)
Trion doesn't care for you to test the patron aspects of the game, as they already have many patrons doing it. Thanks for your interest anyway.
I want numbers of how many players are patrons, how many are still active, and how many have found bugs and reported it.
I bet you won't be able to provide that information as you'll probably never get to shouting distance from Trion during your lifetime.
Thanks for the useless post anyway.
I think you should get more familiar with AA forums, maybe you spend too much time in unrelated forums?
You want numbers? Enough people paid the 150$ to fill 2 whole servers. Many others bought the beta pack. Again nobody really cares about f2p testing patron stuff, if you don't feel like testing the f2p then wait release or get a pack.
And that folks is how to react to a obvious troll bait attempt.
Not really, they normally educate people at universities (at least the good ones) how to provide sources that basically says you're not making shit up. These sources must be credible and not written by someone who could have made them up as well.
You then learn how important it is to rely on factual information and not what you believe, as what you believe may not always be true.
Providing forum links that free and paying players post at to prove that there are many paying players (especially when most posts are technical issues caused by bad computer configuration) isn't really how things work.
Neither is saying "Two servers were full" when the capacity of a server could be 100 players to 100,000 players.
Or if you were in class and you made a statement such as your fellow poster there your professor would question whether it is true or not. Providing a half assed explanation as such would probably get you humiliated.
Also, when in a professional setting, you need to provide data that has to be analyzed and studied in order to ultimately make a decision. Again, an answer such as your fellow poster would probably result in a huge loss for the company.
However, I don't really give two sh*ts about AA anymore and why Trion wants to make as much money as possible from the small % of people who are capable of paying 150$ before proceeding to launch which brings the regular monthly rate that a much larger % of people are willing to pay.
I still do try every once in a while to engage in productive, intellectual dialogue with strangers on the internet, but I inevitably get smacked in the face by all the keyboard warriors and children who know the secrets of the universe.
I'm not in the mood to debate the amount of paying players on AA based on wack.
And that people is how you prove the closest you ever got to University is Good Will Hunting. You may try to hid your personal attacks between the lines and claim others are "keyboard warriors and children" but you really only proven that you haven't even got the slightest clue how you go about proving a theory and make wild allegations (a server could have 100 to 100.000 players, false outliers stretch from 60-70000, EVE Online's mega server, to the default 10.000, last time I checked that was the industry standard and the one most AA and AAA MMOs had for their servers including WoW) while meandering around in a tirade and ignoring facts you dislike.
To humor you: Most professors wouldn't humiliate you in class if you made a wrong supposition or an error in logic at the University level, they'd look at your work and help you understand where you screwed up on your own. The others would humor you and help you through the process of proving (or in this case: disproving) your theory by using the scientific method (long story short here: proven theory = theory + repeated, independent, data sets obtained from experiments which are predicted by said theory, ex: how the theory of relativity was proven via observations of stars during solar eclipses).
His theory, that there are plenty of people playing the game at both beta and alpha level, assuming best conservative case for alpha around 20.000 and worse 10.000 spread amongst two servers, is partially proven by his sources but not definitively as that would require seeing the alpha only sub-forum found in the links and I assume that is still under heavy NDA but considering this isn't a black or white subject ( IE: 1+1=2, completely abstract numbers btw ) his proof outweighs your opinion by a country mile and thus you come off looking like someone who is, pardon the frankness, that which he loathes.
To humor you: first you misunderstood what I said about humiliating yourself in front of others (not your professor humiliating you, nowhere did I say that)
I also really didn't ask you how things should go at a university, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by telling me how things should be there.
My point was about how a person shouldn't make statements without any evidence to back them up.
I also really don't think there is an industry standard when it comes to servers, I believe if you use the same server runescape is using to support World of Warcraft the amount of players capable of playing would be different.
The octopus that chose the winning teams for a previous world cup tournament is way more accurate than assuming 10,000 players and 20,000 players based on your non existent industry standard.
I don't know why you have begun speaking of stars and the theory of relativity, but at this point I'm going to think you are just trying to prove that you are smart to me, and I'm highly flattered.
This is my last post kids, cya
Here have something to chew on for your next post:
And everyone who play a game in beta is main objective is finding bugs and report to company, right...
Most of ppl playing betas is to play the game and decide if like or not.
I never play betas or alphas to find bugs, i dont work for them, i play to see if the game will worth my Money or not when release, like ESO betas example.
In AA thats not need it, because ppl can try it for free when release.
Wanna help Trion with ArcheAge? buy a fonder pack, Trion will say Thanks
Note: all is based in my personal opinion, no facts envolve.
(Sorry for double post).
That's another thing that irks me. These beta events are just early sneak peaks. Why even call them beta events any more? Just call them for what they are.
Well, i still believe they are testing something, at least servers wise.
But i do believe its more a markting move then something else. If we look to other releases most of the bugs/problems are solve in some patchs after release date.
The real test comes with release, most of the times, and stuff will be solve after that.
Thats why alot of game releases is a mess and some games only worth start playing in 2nd, 3th month.
In AA i bealive its diferente, its not a new game afterall, but we will see soon anyway
Calling $75 worth of cash shop goodies a good deal is ridiculous, you are forced to pay $75 for cash shop items you would have never bought just to be part of a preview game and you think its a good deal?
No you buy it because you think it is worth investing it because you want to play the game serious.
You will need the credits, the glider, mount gives you an advantage at the start of the game. The six extra shop boxes will give you potions that speed up your leveling.
and most important, 4 days headstart ofc
Originally posted by Dihoru
75$ worth of cash shop currency, the (I assume) limited edition (no post founder pack availability) desert set, the cloak, some items to help speed up the acquisition of certain things (the top level one came with a kit to design your own crest from the get go), the glider and 3 months worth of patron. Just saying you should add in everything not just what you disregard because you do not want to play the game.
Here i give you some shiny colorful glass pearls and you give me your gold. Not surprised this still works to this day.
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I can understand the need to defend your purchase of the shiny pearls but it does not make you look less like someone took advantage of you.
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And NO, it does not make a difference if you have millions of $ to spend and you don't care how much ALPHA costs, it also does not matter that you think its a good deal because fact is that you bought some virtual bits for $75 and spent another $75 to actually get access to those virtual bits and do something with them for a month.
It's hilarious.
dude, you get the archeum pack for 80$
And you seriously tell me that it is wrong to spend money on virtual goods on an MMORPG forum ? You never bought a game ? That is also buying virtual goods...such a dumb reply lol.
Calling $75 worth of cash shop goodies a good deal is ridiculous, you are forced to pay $75 for cash shop items you would have never bought just to be part of a preview game and you think its a good deal?
No you buy it because you think it is worth investing it because you want to play the game serious.
You will need the credits, the glider, mount gives you an advantage at the start of the game. The six extra shop boxes will give you potions that speed up your leveling.
and most important, 4 days headstart ofc
Originally posted by Dihoru
75$ worth of cash shop currency, the (I assume) limited edition (no post founder pack availability) desert set, the cloak, some items to help speed up the acquisition of certain things (the top level one came with a kit to design your own crest from the get go), the glider and 3 months worth of patron. Just saying you should add in everything not just what you disregard because you do not want to play the game.
Here i give you some shiny colorful glass pearls and you give me your gold. Not surprised this still works to this day.
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I can understand the need to defend your purchase of the shiny pearls but it does not make you look less like someone took advantage of you.
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And NO, it does not make a difference if you have millions of $ to spend and you don't care how much ALPHA costs, it also does not matter that you think its a good deal because fact is that you bought some virtual bits for $75 and spent another $75 to actually get access to those virtual bits and do something with them for a month.
It's hilarious.
dude, you get the archeum pack for 80$
And you seriously tell me that it is wrong to spend money on virtual goods on an MMORPG forum ? You never bought a game ? That is also buying virtual goods...such a dumb reply lol.
Buying a game is something completely different as you get a finished product for your money. The Alpha access gives you time limited access to something that resembles the final game and in the end it will all be deleted. For a game that is free to play after alpha no less.
in the end you pay money to get things faster now its up to you if the limited time you save is worth the money or not
You don't get the final game faster. You get nothing faster. A bad deal is a bad deal, no matter if you think it's worth or not.
You buy it because you are hyped to play the game and you don't care about the money. That's your decision and i can respect that, but calling it a good deal is completely wrong and silly.
Calling $75 worth of cash shop goodies a good deal is ridiculous, you are forced to pay $75 for cash shop items you would have never bought just to be part of a preview game and you think its a good deal?
No you buy it because you think it is worth investing it because you want to play the game serious.
You will need the credits, the glider, mount gives you an advantage at the start of the game. The six extra shop boxes will give you potions that speed up your leveling.
and most important, 4 days headstart ofc
Originally posted by Dihoru
75$ worth of cash shop currency, the (I assume) limited edition (no post founder pack availability) desert set, the cloak, some items to help speed up the acquisition of certain things (the top level one came with a kit to design your own crest from the get go), the glider and 3 months worth of patron. Just saying you should add in everything not just what you disregard because you do not want to play the game.
Here i give you some shiny colorful glass pearls and you give me your gold. Not surprised this still works to this day.
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I can understand the need to defend your purchase of the shiny pearls but it does not make you look less like someone took advantage of you.
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And NO, it does not make a difference if you have millions of $ to spend and you don't care how much ALPHA costs, it also does not matter that you think its a good deal because fact is that you bought some virtual bits for $75 and spent another $75 to actually get access to those virtual bits and do something with them for a month.
It's hilarious.
dude, you get the archeum pack for 80$
And you seriously tell me that it is wrong to spend money on virtual goods on an MMORPG forum ? You never bought a game ? That is also buying virtual goods...such a dumb reply lol.
Buying a game is something completely different as you get a finished product for your money. The Alpha access gives you time limited access to something that resembles the final game and in the end it will all be deleted. For a game that is free to play after alpha no less.
in the end you pay money to get things faster now its up to you if the limited time you save is worth the money or not
You don't get the final game faster. You get nothing faster. A bad deal is a bad deal, no matter if you think it's worth or not.
Unless it's approved by Kangaroomouse then it's a bad deal? -.-
http://thesaurus.com/browse/deal this deal involves two parties the buyer and trion; sorry but there is no place for you to judge if the deal is worth it or not for others...
And you seriously tell me that it is wrong to spend money on virtual goods on an MMORPG forum ? You never bought a game ? That is also buying virtual goods...such a dumb reply lol.
Buying a game is something completely different as you get a finished product for your money. The Alpha access gives you time limited access to something that resembles the final game and in the end it will all be deleted. For a game that is free to play after alpha no less.
in the end you pay money to get things faster now its up to you if the limited time you save is worth the money or not
You don't get the final game faster. You get nothing faster. A bad deal is a bad deal, no matter if you think it's worth or not.
Unless it's approved by Kangaroomouse then it's a bad deal? -.-
No, objectively looking at what you get for your money. Everyone with a little common sense can tell you if something is a good or bad deal.
That is of cause not saying that common sense necessarily exists in MMORPG players which is perfectly demonstrated by your reply.
http://thesaurus.com/browse/deal this deal involves two parties the buyer and trion; sorry but there is no place for you to judge if the deal is worth it or not for others...
Yes, very good. You know what a deal is. We were however talking about quantifying that deal my adding a quantifying verb like good or bad.
What truly is questionable is that why is Trion pursuing such an unethical strategy of making people pay in order to try out the full functionality of the game during the beta testing phase.
Had this game already been launched, I would have no questions and I would probably commend them for a good money making strategy.
But since this is a testing phase, I now somehow have the impression that Trion is insecure about allowing full functionality of the game to beta testers since it is worried about players not paying / playing the game after launch, and is therefore asking for $150 a head instead in order to compensate for whats to come.
This is my personal opinion, and I would have probably bought the founder's pack had the closed beta offered full functionality, however I am now skeptical and will wait to see what happens after launch.
They are not making you do anything.
There is nothing unethical about what they are doing.
They indicate that if people buy founders' packs then they get x, y and z.
If people want x, y and z then they have the choice to buy or not.
No one is twisting players arms. There are no tricks. You are just upset because you want x, y and z "now" and are not willing to pay (your right of course) and you don't like this. Again your right.
With the founders pack you get full functionality.
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We gamers just keep shooting ourselves in the foot! Time and again!
All these People defending these business practices are the root cause of the problem! /facepalm
And because so many people keep defending these Companies, for these blatant cash grab practices!
The more Companies are going to try it and keep pushing the limit.
We used to just have free beta invites with full Access.
Then we started to get Paid pre-orders to get beta Access.
Then we started to get Paid founder packs at Box price to get alpha Access.
Then we started to get founder packs for F2P games for 50 bucks.
Then we started to get founder packs for F2P games for 100 bucks.
Then we started to get founder packs......... well you get my drift.
I rest my case.
We gamers are just acting like sheep and make the above happening and continue to happen.
Soon they will ask your entire paycheck upfront as deposit..... and then there will still be sheep defending it and handing over their entire paycheck. /shrug
In the end it's us gamers who are destroying this market, letting these companies extort us all the way till our very last penny!
We gamers just keep shooting ourselves in the foot! Time and again!
All these People defending these business practices are the root cause of the problem! /facepalm
And because so many people keep defending these Companies, for these blatant cash grab practices!
The more Companies are going to try it and keep pushing the limit.
We used to just have free beta invites with full Access.
Then we started to get Paid pre-orders to get beta Access.
Then we started to get Paid founder packs at Box price to get alpha Access.
Then we started to get founder packs for F2P games for 50 bucks.
Then we started to get founder packs for F2P games for 100 bucks.
Then we started to get founder packs......... well you get my drift.
I rest my case.
We gamers are just acting like sheep and make the above happening and continue to happen.
Soon they will ask your entire paycheck upfront as deposit..... and then there will still be sheep defending it and handing over their entire paycheck. /shrug
In the end it's us gamers who are destroying this market, letting these companies extort us all the way till our very last penny!
Just because you feel this is an issue doesn't mean that other do.
People bought gold and powerleveling. Now "I" feel this is an issue but clearly others did not and they did just that.
The reason that game companies have cash shops and offer incentives for cash is that players have ALWAYS shown that they will pay for these things. This goes back to original everquest. So none of this is new.
People would be very much the sheep you purport them to be for following your dictates blindly as well. That's the whole idea of "sheep". People who don't think and do what "others" tell them to.
People making informed decisioins about their time and money are not "sheep" even though they do things that you don't like.
The only problem I have with people spending their money on these things is when they come back and bitch and moan and complain because their dollars didn't buy them what they wanted to get. Part of the "if you are going to be bothered by these things then DON''T spend your money on them" approach.
Being an uninformed consumer is an issue. Being an informed consumer and purchasing and getting what you purchased is not an issue. Even though you and others don't like it.
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We gamers just keep shooting ourselves in the foot! Time and again!
All these People defending these business practices are the root cause of the problem! /facepalm
And because so many people keep defending these Companies, for these blatant cash grab practices!
The more Companies are going to try it and keep pushing the limit.
We used to just have free beta invites with full Access.
Then we started to get Paid pre-orders to get beta Access.
Then we started to get Paid founder packs at Box price to get alpha Access.
Then we started to get founder packs for F2P games for 50 bucks.
Then we started to get founder packs for F2P games for 100 bucks.
Then we started to get founder packs......... well you get my drift.
I rest my case.
We gamers are just acting like sheep and make the above happening and continue to happen.
Soon they will ask your entire paycheck upfront as deposit..... and then there will still be sheep defending it and handing over their entire paycheck. /shrug
In the end it's us gamers who are destroying this market, letting these companies extort us all the way till our very last penny!
Just because you feel this is an issue doesn't mean that other do.
People bought gold and powerleveling. Now "I" feel this is an issue but clearly others did not and they did just that.
The reason that game companies have cash shops and offer incentives for cash is that players have ALWAYS shown that they will pay for these things. This goes back to original everquest. So none of this is new.
People would be very much the sheep you purport them to be for following your dictates blindly as well. That's the whole idea of "sheep". People who don't think and do what "others" tell them to.
People making informed decisioins about their time and money are not "sheep" even though they do things that you don't like.
The only problem I have with people spending their money on these things is when they come back and bitch and moan and complain because their dollars didn't buy them what they wanted to get. Part of the "if you are going to be bothered by these things then DON''T spend your money on them" approach.
Being an uninformed consumer is an issue. Being an informed consumer and purchasing and getting what you purchased is not an issue. Even though you and others don't like it.
You forget one important thing.
Soon ALL companies are going to do this! And then what? When you end up not having a choice anymore.
Either pay for every step you do in a game or feck off.
Paying full Box price is already not enough anymore today to buy a single player game! No they give you a bare bones game today and then try to milk your wallet for DLC packages.
Paying a Box price, paying a monthly fee and expansion packs for an MMO isn't enough these days. No, what used to be free game updates in between expansions are now put in a Cash shop! On top of what you already paying.
And now we get to ArcheAge, that litterly try to rob your Money for every little action you want to do in the game. As that's what the Labor Point system is.
And don't you worry.... they will tweak it for Patrons too, so they have to spend even more Money too. They are already willing to pay a monthly sub fee. So they are willing to spend even more.
And seeing the amount of defenders of this Labor Point system..... I can almost not blame TRION for these cash grab practices! /shrug
I put alot of money into the MMO's that I play and have no problem with it, but never will I pay a company so I can test their game which is something they should be paying us for. you Dont see players going to development studios to pay them to test their console games, they have teams of staff on payroll for that. This whole Pay-To-Test system is completely wrong but in the end its not my money and its a person's choice to do this.
Originally posted by Dragonantis I put alot of money into the MMO's that I play and have no problem with it, but never will I pay a company so I can test their game which is something they should be paying us for. you Dont see players going to development studios to pay them to test their console games, they have teams of staff on payroll for that. This whole Pay-To-Test system is completely wrong but in the end its not my money and its a person's choice to do this.
I agree. These companies prey on the young or uninformed consumer.
Soon ALL companies are going to do this! And then what? When you end up not having a choice anymore.
Either pay for every step you do in a game or feck off.
Paying full Box price is already not enough anymore today to buy a single player game! No they give you a bare bones game today and then try to milk your wallet for DLC packages.
Paying a Box price, paying a monthly fee and expansion packs for an MMO isn't enough these days. No, what used to be free game updates in between expansions are now put in a Cash shop! On top of what you already paying.
And now we get to ArcheAge, that litterly try to rob your Money for every little action you want to do in the game. As that's what the Labor Point system is.
And don't you worry.... they will tweak it for Patrons too, so they have to spend even more Money too. They are already willing to pay a monthly sub fee. So they are willing to spend even more.
And seeing the amount of defenders of this Labor Point system..... I can almost not blame TRION for these cash grab practices! /shrug
I haven't forgotten anything.
It's more than possible and probably inevitable that you will see more of this.
here's the thing about archeage: Paying founder means you get full alpha, full beta, several months subscription as well as a certian amount of "credits" (or whatever they call their currency) in their store.
There is a defined value that goes beyond allowing people access to testing. Anyone who has the inclination to play this game and knows that it is the game for them would kind of be nuts not to buy the founders as they are (assuming this is the game for them) going to be getting more than their money's worth.
That is quite different than saying "pay us money and you can play a little early". Again, nothing wrong with that but one would be much better off just waiting if that is all that one gets.
People will pay for what they perceive as valuable. If more game companies start charging large up front prices and not really giving value then that's going to equally bite them in the butt. People tend not to like paying an arm and a leg only to get nothing or be tricked in the end.
However, the people who are "hard core" enough (or those who just can't keep it in their pants) to pay these up front prices are not the norm.
therefore game companies walk a fine line. They want to get those people who are willing to pay up front but they also don't want to alienate their "regular" customers.
Remember, the whole f2p thing is based upon a small minority footing the bill for the majority (and then the occasional f2p person possibly buying something or getting another whale interested in the game). The amount of people who are willing to "pony up" is going to be small and what they get is going to have to be worth it.
In truth this is capitalism.
Or have you forgotten that there was a time that one had phone service AND the phone company would supply the phone? Then all of a sudden there were "designer phones". Yadda, yadda, yadda, now there are tiered pricing plans and you have to buy your phone all the time.
It's always going to be a tug of war between consumers and companies. some giving and getting and then reverse it.
And in the interest of full disclosure, I'm more on the side of the subscription guys. Pay one sub and get the whole game. But, that didn't work out well so here we are. It is what it is.
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We gamers just keep shooting ourselves in the foot! Time and again!
All these People defending these business practices are the root cause of the problem! /facepalm
And because so many people keep defending these Companies, for these blatant cash grab practices!
The more Companies are going to try it and keep pushing the limit.
We used to just have free beta invites with full Access.
Then we started to get Paid pre-orders to get beta Access.
Then we started to get Paid founder packs at Box price to get alpha Access.
Then we started to get founder packs for F2P games for 50 bucks.
Then we started to get founder packs for F2P games for 100 bucks.
Then we started to get founder packs......... well you get my drift.
I rest my case.
We gamers are just acting like sheep and make the above happening and continue to happen.
Soon they will ask your entire paycheck upfront as deposit..... and then there will still be sheep defending it and handing over their entire paycheck. /shrug
In the end it's us gamers who are destroying this market, letting these companies extort us all the way till our very last penny!
Just because you feel this is an issue doesn't mean that other do.
People bought gold and powerleveling. Now "I" feel this is an issue but clearly others did not and they did just that.
The reason that game companies have cash shops and offer incentives for cash is that players have ALWAYS shown that they will pay for these things. This goes back to original everquest. So none of this is new.
People would be very much the sheep you purport them to be for following your dictates blindly as well. That's the whole idea of "sheep". People who don't think and do what "others" tell them to.
People making informed decisioins about their time and money are not "sheep" even though they do things that you don't like.
The only problem I have with people spending their money on these things is when they come back and bitch and moan and complain because their dollars didn't buy them what they wanted to get. Part of the "if you are going to be bothered by these things then DON''T spend your money on them" approach.
Being an uninformed consumer is an issue. Being an informed consumer and purchasing and getting what you purchased is not an issue. Even though you and others don't like it.
You forget one important thing.
Soon ALL companies are going to do this! And then what? When you end up not having a choice anymore.
Either pay for every step you do in a game or feck off.
Paying full Box price is already not enough anymore today to buy a single player game! No they give you a bare bones game today and then try to milk your wallet for DLC packages.
Paying a Box price, paying a monthly fee and expansion packs for an MMO isn't enough these days. No, what used to be free game updates in between expansions are now put in a Cash shop! On top of what you already paying.
And now we get to ArcheAge, that litterly try to rob your Money for every little action you want to do in the game. As that's what the Labor Point system is.
And don't you worry.... they will tweak it for Patrons too, so they have to spend even more Money too. They are already willing to pay a monthly sub fee. So they are willing to spend even more.
And seeing the amount of defenders of this Labor Point system..... I can almost not blame TRION for these cash grab practices! /shrug
And then you vote with your wallet and not pay. Deal with reality, not what ifs.
Soon ALL companies are going to do this! And then what? When you end up not having a choice anymore.
Either pay for every step you do in a game or feck off.
Paying full Box price is already not enough anymore today to buy a single player game! No they give you a bare bones game today and then try to milk your wallet for DLC packages.
Paying a Box price, paying a monthly fee and expansion packs for an MMO isn't enough these days. No, what used to be free game updates in between expansions are now put in a Cash shop! On top of what you already paying.
And now we get to ArcheAge, that litterly try to rob your Money for every little action you want to do in the game. As that's what the Labor Point system is.
And don't you worry.... they will tweak it for Patrons too, so they have to spend even more Money too. They are already willing to pay a monthly sub fee. So they are willing to spend even more.
And seeing the amount of defenders of this Labor Point system..... I can almost not blame TRION for these cash grab practices! /shrug
And then you vote with your wallet and not pay. Deal with reality, not what ifs.
I already do. TRION isn't getting a single dime from me.
this game is in beta for the third time now, you'd think the asians and/or russians might have found one bug or two.
this "sales concept" works.
people pay for betas, again and again and again.
This ... you would think that people would see for what it is.... a money grab on the hype train. How is an already released game in multiple countries still in beta for a port to the west????? It should never take this long for a competent development company to translate and port an already working MMO to the west!!
This is a horrible trend that greedy companies are exploiting to cash in on a hyped game. It will get worse as the greed grows and the worst part of it all is that the game quality isn't getting better.
So i guess none of you ever bought a collectors editions of something. I dont prefer physical goods but the digital ones that show others i got the collectors.
I get 3 month patron, meaning subscription that i would have payed anyways.
I get 11.250 credits that i can spend on gametime....again something i would have payed for.
I get a unique glider for pre-ordering the game
I get a unique armor skin for pre ordering the game
I get a title for pre-ordering
I get a cape for pre-ordering.
ontop of that i get alpha and beta access, i bought the pack after getting a FREE beta access because i registered. There are other opportunities to get free access.
With the one time payment i get access to the game like any other MMORPG out there. Later on i have to buy a subscription or i can use the APEX system buying subscription with ingame credits. A thing other MMO's dont offer (WoW for example)
The patron status gives you so called loyality points every day you login, with those you can buy stuff in the digital shop. OR if you need it faster you buy it with credits. that is trions buisness model, if you want stuff faster, buy a booster.
If i didnt care for all this, i could have wait, enjoyed my free access i got+open beta that will come and than pay 12-13 euros for the patron status and start playing. Now i dont know many trippel A MMO's that cost 12-13 euros the first month.
GW2 is an exception, there one pay system is very friendly but after some month you also need to spend some money on the cash shop to expand your inventory and other stuff.
this game is in beta for the third time now, you'd think the asians and/or russians might have found one bug or two.
this "sales concept" works.
people pay for betas, again and again and again.
This ... you would think that people would see for what it is.... a money grab on the hype train. How is an already released game in multiple countries still in beta for a port to the west????? It should never take this long for a competent development company to translate and port an already working MMO to the west!!
This is a horrible trend that greedy companies are exploiting to cash in on a hyped game. It will get worse as the greed grows and the worst part of it all is that the game quality isn't getting better.
korean->english->all other languages (german,french,spanish)
thats a long task, ontop of that individual changes to the western version. most important the shop and implementation of the labor system.
however i agree its going fucking slow and i doubt trion has made much money with it to cover the cost
This ... you would think that people would see for what it is.... a money grab on the hype train. How is an already released game in multiple countries still in beta for a port to the west????? It should never take this long for a competent development company to translate and port an already working MMO to the west!!
This is a horrible trend that greedy companies are exploiting to cash in on a hyped game. It will get worse as the greed grows and the worst part of it all is that the game quality isn't getting better.
It's just a very shady business practice. I really don't see it lasting long here in the U.S. I think it's only a matter of time before one of these companies gets sued and the government takes notice and does something about it.
So i guess none of you ever bought a collectors editions of something. I dont prefer physical goods but the digital ones that show others i got the collectors.
I bought a lot of CEs of games, However, I recall in most that were above the 100 dollar mark, I received some sort of physical items to go with it (like a statue or large map etc) and I was not charged until either the item shipped or was given to me.
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Here i give you some shiny colorful glass pearls and you give me your gold. Not surprised this still works to this day.
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I can understand the need to defend your purchase of the shiny pearls but it does not make you look less like someone took advantage of you.
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And NO, it does not make a difference if you have millions of $ to spend and you don't care how much ALPHA costs, it also does not matter that you think its a good deal because fact is that you bought some virtual bits for $75 and spent another $75 to actually get access to those virtual bits and do something with them for a month.
It's hilarious.
I heard there is one more beta weekend after this, so im sure they solve all issues before launch
Didnt you just say there are lots of issues that need fixing?
Love your avatar btw
I've played too many games to have that kind of faith any more. Usually what you get at beta is what you get at launch.
Here have something to chew on for your next post:
Well, i still believe they are testing something, at least servers wise.
But i do believe its more a markting move then something else. If we look to other releases most of the bugs/problems are solve in some patchs after release date.
The real test comes with release, most of the times, and stuff will be solve after that.
Thats why alot of game releases is a mess and some games only worth start playing in 2nd, 3th month.
In AA i bealive its diferente, its not a new game afterall, but we will see soon anyway
dude, you get the archeum pack for 80$
And you seriously tell me that it is wrong to spend money on virtual goods on an MMORPG forum ? You never bought a game ? That is also buying virtual goods...such a dumb reply lol.
Also here:
http://www.tentonhammer.com/archeage/opinions/analyzing-founders-packs
that doesnt calculate the credits you save with themount/glider you get.
in the end you pay money to get things faster now its up to you if the limited time you save is worth the money or not
People are finding bugs...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er2YJFgl1tk
Unless it's approved by Kangaroomouse then it's a bad deal? -.-
http://thesaurus.com/browse/deal this deal involves two parties the buyer and trion; sorry but there is no place for you to judge if the deal is worth it or not for others...
They are not making you do anything.
There is nothing unethical about what they are doing.
They indicate that if people buy founders' packs then they get x, y and z.
If people want x, y and z then they have the choice to buy or not.
No one is twisting players arms. There are no tricks. You are just upset because you want x, y and z "now" and are not willing to pay (your right of course) and you don't like this. Again your right.
With the founders pack you get full functionality.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
We gamers just keep shooting ourselves in the foot! Time and again!
All these People defending these business practices are the root cause of the problem! /facepalm
And because so many people keep defending these Companies, for these blatant cash grab practices!
The more Companies are going to try it and keep pushing the limit.
We used to just have free beta invites with full Access.
Then we started to get Paid pre-orders to get beta Access.
Then we started to get Paid founder packs at Box price to get alpha Access.
Then we started to get founder packs for F2P games for 50 bucks.
Then we started to get founder packs for F2P games for 100 bucks.
Then we started to get founder packs......... well you get my drift.
I rest my case.
We gamers are just acting like sheep and make the above happening and continue to happen.
Soon they will ask your entire paycheck upfront as deposit..... and then there will still be sheep defending it and handing over their entire paycheck. /shrug
In the end it's us gamers who are destroying this market, letting these companies extort us all the way till our very last penny!
Just because you feel this is an issue doesn't mean that other do.
People bought gold and powerleveling. Now "I" feel this is an issue but clearly others did not and they did just that.
The reason that game companies have cash shops and offer incentives for cash is that players have ALWAYS shown that they will pay for these things. This goes back to original everquest. So none of this is new.
People would be very much the sheep you purport them to be for following your dictates blindly as well. That's the whole idea of "sheep". People who don't think and do what "others" tell them to.
People making informed decisioins about their time and money are not "sheep" even though they do things that you don't like.
The only problem I have with people spending their money on these things is when they come back and bitch and moan and complain because their dollars didn't buy them what they wanted to get. Part of the "if you are going to be bothered by these things then DON''T spend your money on them" approach.
Being an uninformed consumer is an issue. Being an informed consumer and purchasing and getting what you purchased is not an issue. Even though you and others don't like it.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
You forget one important thing.
Soon ALL companies are going to do this! And then what? When you end up not having a choice anymore.
Either pay for every step you do in a game or feck off.
Paying full Box price is already not enough anymore today to buy a single player game! No they give you a bare bones game today and then try to milk your wallet for DLC packages.
Paying a Box price, paying a monthly fee and expansion packs for an MMO isn't enough these days. No, what used to be free game updates in between expansions are now put in a Cash shop! On top of what you already paying.
And now we get to ArcheAge, that litterly try to rob your Money for every little action you want to do in the game. As that's what the Labor Point system is.
And don't you worry.... they will tweak it for Patrons too, so they have to spend even more Money too. They are already willing to pay a monthly sub fee. So they are willing to spend even more.
And seeing the amount of defenders of this Labor Point system..... I can almost not blame TRION for these cash grab practices! /shrug
I agree. These companies prey on the young or uninformed consumer.
I haven't forgotten anything.
It's more than possible and probably inevitable that you will see more of this.
here's the thing about archeage: Paying founder means you get full alpha, full beta, several months subscription as well as a certian amount of "credits" (or whatever they call their currency) in their store.
There is a defined value that goes beyond allowing people access to testing. Anyone who has the inclination to play this game and knows that it is the game for them would kind of be nuts not to buy the founders as they are (assuming this is the game for them) going to be getting more than their money's worth.
That is quite different than saying "pay us money and you can play a little early". Again, nothing wrong with that but one would be much better off just waiting if that is all that one gets.
People will pay for what they perceive as valuable. If more game companies start charging large up front prices and not really giving value then that's going to equally bite them in the butt. People tend not to like paying an arm and a leg only to get nothing or be tricked in the end.
However, the people who are "hard core" enough (or those who just can't keep it in their pants) to pay these up front prices are not the norm.
therefore game companies walk a fine line. They want to get those people who are willing to pay up front but they also don't want to alienate their "regular" customers.
Remember, the whole f2p thing is based upon a small minority footing the bill for the majority (and then the occasional f2p person possibly buying something or getting another whale interested in the game). The amount of people who are willing to "pony up" is going to be small and what they get is going to have to be worth it.
In truth this is capitalism.
Or have you forgotten that there was a time that one had phone service AND the phone company would supply the phone? Then all of a sudden there were "designer phones". Yadda, yadda, yadda, now there are tiered pricing plans and you have to buy your phone all the time.
It's always going to be a tug of war between consumers and companies. some giving and getting and then reverse it.
And in the interest of full disclosure, I'm more on the side of the subscription guys. Pay one sub and get the whole game. But, that didn't work out well so here we are. It is what it is.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
And then you vote with your wallet and not pay. Deal with reality, not what ifs.
I already do. TRION isn't getting a single dime from me.
This ... you would think that people would see for what it is.... a money grab on the hype train. How is an already released game in multiple countries still in beta for a port to the west????? It should never take this long for a competent development company to translate and port an already working MMO to the west!!
This is a horrible trend that greedy companies are exploiting to cash in on a hyped game. It will get worse as the greed grows and the worst part of it all is that the game quality isn't getting better.
So i guess none of you ever bought a collectors editions of something. I dont prefer physical goods but the digital ones that show others i got the collectors.
I get 3 month patron, meaning subscription that i would have payed anyways.
I get 11.250 credits that i can spend on gametime....again something i would have payed for.
I get a unique glider for pre-ordering the game
I get a unique armor skin for pre ordering the game
I get a title for pre-ordering
I get a cape for pre-ordering.
ontop of that i get alpha and beta access, i bought the pack after getting a FREE beta access because i registered. There are other opportunities to get free access.
With the one time payment i get access to the game like any other MMORPG out there. Later on i have to buy a subscription or i can use the APEX system buying subscription with ingame credits. A thing other MMO's dont offer (WoW for example)
The patron status gives you so called loyality points every day you login, with those you can buy stuff in the digital shop. OR if you need it faster you buy it with credits. that is trions buisness model, if you want stuff faster, buy a booster.
If i didnt care for all this, i could have wait, enjoyed my free access i got+open beta that will come and than pay 12-13 euros for the patron status and start playing. Now i dont know many trippel A MMO's that cost 12-13 euros the first month.
GW2 is an exception, there one pay system is very friendly but after some month you also need to spend some money on the cash shop to expand your inventory and other stuff.
korean->english->all other languages (german,french,spanish)
thats a long task, ontop of that individual changes to the western version. most important the shop and implementation of the labor system.
however i agree its going fucking slow and i doubt trion has made much money with it to cover the cost
It's just a very shady business practice. I really don't see it lasting long here in the U.S. I think it's only a matter of time before one of these companies gets sued and the government takes notice and does something about it.
I bought a lot of CEs of games, However, I recall in most that were above the 100 dollar mark, I received some sort of physical items to go with it (like a statue or large map etc) and I was not charged until either the item shipped or was given to me.
Edit: Double post. Sorry.