this game is in beta for the third time now, you'd think the asians and/or russians might have found one bug or two.
this "sales concept" works.
people pay for betas, again and again and again.
This ... you would think that people would see for what it is.... a money grab on the hype train. How is an already released game in multiple countries still in beta for a port to the west????? It should never take this long for a competent development company to translate and port an already working MMO to the west!!
This is a horrible trend that greedy companies are exploiting to cash in on a hyped game. It will get worse as the greed grows and the worst part of it all is that the game quality isn't getting better.
And they aren't doing a great job either to be honest. For that hour I played so far, I ran into plenty NPC's that still talked Korean lol.
Let's face it! Appearently there are so many desperate People looking for the next holy grail in MMO gaming, that they keep throwing Money at TRION for these packs.
And as long as there are People that keep buying these packs, TRION isn't going to let this game go out of Beta testing any time soon.
They wait until the very last moment till the money stops coming in. Then they might release it.
It's exactly the same kind of practices as PWE. Notorious for keeping their F2P games in "open" beta for ages.
So i guess none of you ever bought a collectors editions of something. I dont prefer physical goods but the digital ones that show others i got the collectors.
I bought a lot of CEs of games, However, I recall in most that were above the 100 dollar mark, I received some sort of physical items to go with it (like a statue or large map etc) and I was not charged until either the item shipped or was given to me.
Google exists for a reason and has been pointed out before this collector's edition has stuff in it besides the access and in-game items (the 75$ worth of credits and the 45$ worth of patron time, tell me again how much does that leave for the game proper and the alpha access?)
this game is in beta for the third time now, you'd think the asians and/or russians might have found one bug or two.
this "sales concept" works.
people pay for betas, again and again and again.
This ... you would think that people would see for what it is.... a money grab on the hype train. How is an already released game in multiple countries still in beta for a port to the west????? It should never take this long for a competent development company to translate and port an already working MMO to the west!!
This is a horrible trend that greedy companies are exploiting to cash in on a hyped game. It will get worse as the greed grows and the worst part of it all is that the game quality isn't getting better.
And they aren't doing a great job either to be honest. For that hour I played so far, I ran into plenty NPC's that still talked Korean lol.
Let's face it! Appearently there are so many desperate People looking for the next holy grail in MMO gaming, that they keep throwing Money at TRION for these packs.
And as long as there are People that keep buying these packs, TRION isn't going to let this game go out of Beta testing any time soon.
They wait until the very last moment till the money stops coming in. Then they might release it.
It's exactly the same kind of practices as PWE. Notorious for keeping their F2P games in "open" beta for ages.
Name the PWE games that had founder's give you access and the betas were time limited as well as required a key. I love your passion but it lacks any backing really ( the only such game you can actually say existed was Firefall but that was a mismanaged mess and at least it didn't launch in that state unlike FF XIV...Vanguard...ESO....)
Soon ALL companies are going to do this! And then what? When you end up not having a choice anymore.
Either pay for every step you do in a game or feck off.
Paying full Box price is already not enough anymore today to buy a single player game! No they give you a bare bones game today and then try to milk your wallet for DLC packages.
Paying a Box price, paying a monthly fee and expansion packs for an MMO isn't enough these days. No, what used to be free game updates in between expansions are now put in a Cash shop! On top of what you already paying.
And now we get to ArcheAge, that litterly try to rob your Money for every little action you want to do in the game. As that's what the Labor Point system is.
And don't you worry.... they will tweak it for Patrons too, so they have to spend even more Money too. They are already willing to pay a monthly sub fee. So they are willing to spend even more.
And seeing the amount of defenders of this Labor Point system..... I can almost not blame TRION for these cash grab practices! /shrug
And then you vote with your wallet and not pay. Deal with reality, not what ifs.
I already do. TRION isn't getting a single dime from me.
Then please stop complaining about a paid beta that you do not need to pay for if you have patience. Simply ignore it. It will release and be free to play with an optional subscription. I fail to see what is wrong with that.
this game is in beta for the third time now, you'd think the asians and/or russians might have found one bug or two.
this "sales concept" works.
people pay for betas, again and again and again.
This ... you would think that people would see for what it is.... a money grab on the hype train. How is an already released game in multiple countries still in beta for a port to the west????? It should never take this long for a competent development company to translate and port an already working MMO to the west!!
This is a horrible trend that greedy companies are exploiting to cash in on a hyped game. It will get worse as the greed grows and the worst part of it all is that the game quality isn't getting better.
And they aren't doing a great job either to be honest. For that hour I played so far, I ran into plenty NPC's that still talked Korean lol.
Let's face it! Appearently there are so many desperate People looking for the next holy grail in MMO gaming, that they keep throwing Money at TRION for these packs.
And as long as there are People that keep buying these packs, TRION isn't going to let this game go out of Beta testing any time soon.
They wait until the very last moment till the money stops coming in. Then they might release it.
It's exactly the same kind of practices as PWE. Notorious for keeping their F2P games in "open" beta for ages.
If trion wanted to they could have just released the game with open beta like Russia did, and never actually release. But the game won't release in open beta as everything gets wiped. So no, your conspiracy theory doesn't work. After ctb4 there will be obt then headstart.
And passerby npcs will talk in korean even after release, they won't change them luckly enough. The english voiceovers are usually terribad in every game.
If trion wanted to they could have just released the game with open beta like Russia did, and never actually release. But the game won't release in open beta as everything gets wiped. So no, your conspiracy theory doesn't work. After ctb4 there will be obt then headstart.
And passerby npcs will talk in korean even after release, they won't change them luckly enough. The english voiceovers are usually terribad in every game.
There are plenty of games that way --->
You People really crack me up! And just proof me right!
Companies really can get away with everything these days! Even if it means only doing a half arsed job at translation! People will still defend it with the most ridiculous excuses.
If trion wanted to they could have just released the game with open beta like Russia did, and never actually release. But the game won't release in open beta as everything gets wiped. So no, your conspiracy theory doesn't work. After ctb4 there will be obt then headstart.
And passerby npcs will talk in korean even after release, they won't change them luckly enough. The english voiceovers are usually terribad in every game.
There are plenty of games that way --->
You People really crack me up! And just proof me right!
Companies really can get away with everything these days! Even if it means only doing a half arsed job at translation! People will still defend it with the most ridiculous excuses.
It's prove and you actually need to provide the proof otherwise "look, look, the patterns are all there!" does not count. Have fun though in your games just try and remember that even CCP isn't perfect take it from a 2011 protest leader .
I bought a lot of CEs of games, However, I recall in most that were above the 100 dollar mark, I received some sort of physical items to go with it (like a statue or large map etc) and I was not charged until either the item shipped or was given to me.
Google exists for a reason and has been pointed out before this collector's edition has stuff in it besides the access and in-game items (the 75$ worth of credits and the 45$ worth of patron time, tell me again how much does that leave for the game proper and the alpha access?)
Where did I lie? Read again exactly what I wrote. You are implying I am saying something that I clearly did not. I remember why I blocked you, You have a very annoying habit of playing with words.
I bought a lot of CEs of games, However, I recall in most that were above the 100 dollar mark, I received some sort of physical items to go with it (like a statue or large map etc) and I was not charged until either the item shipped or was given to me.
Google exists for a reason and has been pointed out before this collector's edition has stuff in it besides the access and in-game items (the 75$ worth of credits and the 45$ worth of patron time, tell me again how much does that leave for the game proper and the alpha access?)
Where did I lie? Read again exactly what I wrote.
Classic case of the mouth getting ahead of the brain... they just assumed they knew what you were going to say before you actually said it.
If trion wanted to they could have just released the game with open beta like Russia did, and never actually release. But the game won't release in open beta as everything gets wiped. So no, your conspiracy theory doesn't work. After ctb4 there will be obt then headstart.
And passerby npcs will talk in korean even after release, they won't change them luckly enough. The english voiceovers are usually terribad in every game.
There are plenty of games that way --->
You People really crack me up! And just proof me right!
Companies really can get away with everything these days! Even if it means only doing a half arsed job at translation! People will still defend it with the most ridiculous excuses.
Excuses? They are called preferences. Yes shockingly not everybody likes what you like.
I hate english voiceovers for npcs, it's not gamebreaking for me; but they still irritates me after hearing them 1k times. So the fact that they are keeping korean for passerby voice overs is a plus for me. That's the only thing not translated in the game; are you going to call it half asses just for that? Ok i guess, props to you. I'll enjoy the thousands of english tranlsated words and cutscenes.
I bought a lot of CEs of games, However, I recall in most that were above the 100 dollar mark, I received some sort of physical items to go with it (like a statue or large map etc) and I was not charged until either the item shipped or was given to me.
Google exists for a reason and has been pointed out before this collector's edition has stuff in it besides the access and in-game items (the 75$ worth of credits and the 45$ worth of patron time, tell me again how much does that leave for the game proper and the alpha access?)
Where did I lie? Read again exactly what I wrote. You are implying I am saying something that I clearly did not. I remember why I blocked you, You have a very annoying habit of playing with words.
There, see it now? Mr I block people who call me out ?
A classic case of taking something out of context.
Let me fix this for you. Read the blue background in full and stop taking parts out to make it mean whatever you want it to.
Let me fix it for you: CE's for the past half-decade (at least) have also had digital versions some almost as bad in pricing as their physical versions. Once you strip the quantifiable elements off the top level founder's pack for AA (IE the store credits and the 3 months of sub, around 120 USD if my math isn't failing me) tell me how much money do you spend on the game and its actual collector's edition level in-game items? That's what I thought.
I bought a lot of CEs of games, However, I recall in most that were above the 100 dollar mark, I received some sort of physical items to go with it (like a statue or large map etc) and I was not charged until either the item shipped or was given to me.
Google exists for a reason and has been pointed out before this collector's edition has stuff in it besides the access and in-game items (the 75$ worth of credits and the 45$ worth of patron time, tell me again how much does that leave for the game proper and the alpha access?)
Where did I lie? Read again exactly what I wrote. You are implying I am saying something that I clearly did not. I remember why I blocked you, You have a very annoying habit of playing with words.
There, see it now? Mr I block people who call me out ?
A classic case of taking something out of context.
Let me fix this for you. Read the blue background in full and stop taking parts out to make it mean whatever you want it to.
Let me fix it for you: CE's for the past half-decade (at least) have also had digital versions some almost as bad in pricing as their physical versions. Once you strip the quantifiable elements off the top level founder's pack for AA (IE the store credits and the 3 months of sub, around 120 USD if my math isn't failing me) tell me how much money do you spend on the game and its actual collector's edition level in-game items? That's what I thought.
How do you see
"I bought a lot of CEs of games, However, I recall in most that were above the 100 dollar mark"
as
"CE's for the past half-decade (at least)"
I never fucking said every CE. Are you blind?
And you're missing the point utterly by not contemplating the other half of what I said namely that the CE elements of the all the founder's packs are cheaper, even with alpha access for the top level one, than any other digital CE I can recall except maybe STO if you'd want to count digital delux as a collector's edition. Get it? Even if you slash the one month off say ARR's collector's edition it still ends up being 15 USD more expensive than AA's for example.
We gamers just keep shooting ourselves in the foot! Time and again!
All these People defending these business practices are the root cause of the problem! /facepalm
And because so many people keep defending these Companies, for these blatant cash grab practices!
The more Companies are going to try it and keep pushing the limit.
We used to just have free beta invites with full Access.
Then we started to get Paid pre-orders to get beta Access.
Then we started to get Paid founder packs at Box price to get alpha Access.
Then we started to get founder packs for F2P games for 50 bucks.
Then we started to get founder packs for F2P games for 100 bucks.
Then we started to get founder packs......... well you get my drift.
I rest my case.
We gamers are just acting like sheep and make the above happening and continue to happen.
Soon they will ask your entire paycheck upfront as deposit..... and then there will still be sheep defending it and handing over their entire paycheck. /shrug
In the end it's us gamers who are destroying this market, letting these companies extort us all the way till our very last penny!
Just because you feel this is an issue doesn't mean that other do.
We gamers just keep shooting ourselves in the foot! Time and again!
All these People defending these business practices are the root cause of the problem! /facepalm
And because so many people keep defending these Companies, for these blatant cash grab practices!
The more Companies are going to try it and keep pushing the limit.
We used to just have free beta invites with full Access.
Then we started to get Paid pre-orders to get beta Access.
Then we started to get Paid founder packs at Box price to get alpha Access.
Then we started to get founder packs for F2P games for 50 bucks.
Then we started to get founder packs for F2P games for 100 bucks.
Then we started to get founder packs......... well you get my drift.
I rest my case.
We gamers are just acting like sheep and make the above happening and continue to happen.
Soon they will ask your entire paycheck upfront as deposit..... and then there will still be sheep defending it and handing over their entire paycheck. /shrug
In the end it's us gamers who are destroying this market, letting these companies extort us all the way till our very last penny!
Just because you feel this is an issue doesn't mean that other do.
Yes, another does.
Fixed that for you.
Nope, there are still others. I know this because I googled it.
I think the premise of these kinds of threads are inherently flawed. I think the negativity towards the pre-release sales models like this are based on two erroneous factors.
1.) Anyone paying for what is essentially Alpha access is also getting in-game items and game time for the cost of the package. While Alpha access is a driving force behind many of the purchases, it is not the sole value of buying one of the founder's packs.
2.) The "no such thing as a free lunch anymore" effect. There are a lot of people that want early access to MMO's under the guise of being testers. Lets be honest, for most of these people - finding bugs was an inconvenience and not a purpose or mission. The fallacy of "beta tests" has become two-fold. Most of the people testing weren't really there for testing so why not go ahead and make them consumers.
I think the new arrangement is much more honest in both regards, no one is pretending to be something they aren't. Consumers that want to play the game now, don't have to pretend to be testers, and the developers don't have to pretend like an "unfinished" game doesn't have value yet.
To all those who have not joined the Beta test yet, I'll let you know that there are many features (such as auction house, or building a house) that will not work unless you have bought a founder's pack.
As many know, when joining a beta test for an mmorpg, the main focus should be on finding bugs and reporting those bugs in order for them to get fixed so that when the game launches everyone can enjoy the game with almost flawless functionality.
Allowing players to beta test a game is a cheap, quick way of finding out what problems your game might have and needs fixing BEFORE you sell the game, and in exchange, you allow eager impatient players to test out your game before launch.
Paying for the game should be the decision you take after you decide that you like the game, and to influence players to pay for the game for full basic functionality during a beta test is an unclassy, cheap move.
Granted, the founder's pack gets you exclusive items, and you must pay to have full functionality when the game launches anyway, though the fact still is that this is still a testing phase aimed at getting rid of problems.
I am not sure what message Trion sends across when it asks for money from players who are helping it get rid of bugs for free in exchange for playing the game (in this case, without full functionality)
just don't buy into the beta then, lol. I am looking forward to trying this game out, but I have no desire to pay to test their game. So, I wont. I don't care about trying the game until its OFFICIALLY released. After it comes out. If it is worth my time and money, I will play it and spend some of my cash on it, if I think its worth it.
I think its crazy people paying for this sort of thing, but that's their decision and personally it doesn't affect my life one bit.
I am not sure what message Trion sends across when it asks for money from players who are helping it get rid of bugs for free in exchange for playing the game (in this case, without full functionality)
just don't buy into the beta then, lol. I am looking forward to trying this game out, but I have no desire to pay to test their game. So, I wont. I don't care about trying the game until its OFFICIALLY released. After it comes out. If it is worth my time and money, I will play it and spend some of my cash on it, if I think its worth it.
I think its crazy people paying for this sort of thing, but that's their decision and personally it doesn't affect my life one bit.
The problem is that many people have a severe lack of information before going to form an opinion or even judge. Archeage is out in Korea since ~ 2 years and it is also playable in Russia since quite a while. A lot of those people who bought founder packs already played in Korea, Russia or both and know the game and its mechanics. They don't pay for "testing the game for Trion" they pay for early access to all changes Trion makes to the western version to be prepared.
Archeage is different than most other games on the market right now. It is not about raiding to gear up so you can raid the next tier and then shelf your char until the next expansion hits, but it is a fight for resources and needs huge group efforts for high end crafting, building fleets of trade- and warships, building castles, claiming and holding land on the north continent, large trade runs with escorts, land and naval warfare, you name it. For all that you need quite deep planning in the economy and since some resources are scarce and hard to come by you also need to be ahead of the curve when you are into competitive guild fights.
From a single player perspective that might seem moot, but even as a single player you are far better off at launch when you have a general idea about the non-themepark game mechanics.
So many mad people. Did they make you play the beta? No
Did you test something. yes, you tested the F2P part of the game.
Are they making money of the Founders pack. yes, look at Steam sales for instace. No, I dont have links.
Is this game, good or bad. Depends on who you ask.
Is it sandbox. i think so. No, you cant make your own quest. yes, you can make your own adventures.
I paid $64 for ESO. hoping it would be the next game. it wasnt. I paid for FF14, it wanst the game for me. Face it. Im a gamer. I set aside MONEY for my hobby I think a lot of you guys either need a job, or a new hobby!
The freeloaders, and the haters are killing me. From laughing so hard.
OP, dont be surprised that you must pay to ¨test¨ everything. AA isnt in a real beta. What you now thqat you already pay for is what you will get at ¨launch¨.
Im not surprised there are still mmo players that believe paid mmo betas are for real testing.... or should i be surprised there are still people who fall for that at this point?
Well, in the odl days alpha and beta testing was just that: testing.
These days it's just "pay for a unfinished awfully coded game" cash & grab before the F2P mode hits or the servers get shut down.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
I have got 150 dollars worth of entertainment already and I still get more for my money.
Trion got MONEY which is good for them.
People who do not want to pay a dime got a good deal too, people like me are paying for a game for them.
Why would this make anyone mad I have no clue unless you are jealous and want to play but can't afford the 150.
If you are mad for another reason think about it a second or two, you still get your free game and suckers like me are paying for it, how could this not be a good deal for you too?
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And they aren't doing a great job either to be honest. For that hour I played so far, I ran into plenty NPC's that still talked Korean lol.
Let's face it! Appearently there are so many desperate People looking for the next holy grail in MMO gaming, that they keep throwing Money at TRION for these packs.
And as long as there are People that keep buying these packs, TRION isn't going to let this game go out of Beta testing any time soon.
They wait until the very last moment till the money stops coming in. Then they might release it.
It's exactly the same kind of practices as PWE. Notorious for keeping their F2P games in "open" beta for ages.
I love catching people with lies:
http://blogs.companyofheroes.com/2013/12/13/company-of-heroes-2-digital-collectors-edition/
Google exists for a reason and has been pointed out before this collector's edition has stuff in it besides the access and in-game items (the 75$ worth of credits and the 45$ worth of patron time, tell me again how much does that leave for the game proper and the alpha access?)
http://www.reddit.com/r/archeage/comments/23x8wj/full_break_down_of_founders_pack_bonus_items/
Name the PWE games that had founder's give you access and the betas were time limited as well as required a key. I love your passion but it lacks any backing really ( the only such game you can actually say existed was Firefall but that was a mismanaged mess and at least it didn't launch in that state unlike FF XIV...Vanguard...ESO....)
Then please stop complaining about a paid beta that you do not need to pay for if you have patience. Simply ignore it. It will release and be free to play with an optional subscription. I fail to see what is wrong with that.
If trion wanted to they could have just released the game with open beta like Russia did, and never actually release. But the game won't release in open beta as everything gets wiped. So no, your conspiracy theory doesn't work. After ctb4 there will be obt then headstart.
And passerby npcs will talk in korean even after release, they won't change them luckly enough. The english voiceovers are usually terribad in every game.
There are plenty of games that way --->
You People really crack me up! And just proof me right!
Companies really can get away with everything these days! Even if it means only doing a half arsed job at translation! People will still defend it with the most ridiculous excuses.
It's prove and you actually need to provide the proof otherwise "look, look, the patterns are all there!" does not count. Have fun though in your games just try and remember that even CCP isn't perfect take it from a 2011 protest leader
.
Where did I lie? Read again exactly what I wrote. You are implying I am saying something that I clearly did not. I remember why I blocked you, You have a very annoying habit of playing with words.
Classic case of the mouth getting ahead of the brain... they just assumed they knew what you were going to say before you actually said it.
Excuses? They are called preferences. Yes shockingly not everybody likes what you like.
I hate english voiceovers for npcs, it's not gamebreaking for me; but they still irritates me after hearing them 1k times. So the fact that they are keeping korean for passerby voice overs is a plus for me. That's the only thing not translated in the game; are you going to call it half asses just for that? Ok i guess, props to you. I'll enjoy the thousands of english tranlsated words and cutscenes.
Let me fix it for you: CE's for the past half-decade (at least) have also had digital versions some almost as bad in pricing as their physical versions. Once you strip the quantifiable elements off the top level founder's pack for AA (IE the store credits and the 3 months of sub, around 120 USD if my math isn't failing me) tell me how much money do you spend on the game and its actual collector's edition level in-game items? That's what I thought.
And you're missing the point utterly by not contemplating the other half of what I said namely that the CE elements of the all the founder's packs are cheaper, even with alpha access for the top level one, than any other digital CE I can recall except maybe STO if you'd want to count digital delux as a collector's edition. Get it? Even if you slash the one month off say ARR's collector's edition it still ends up being 15 USD more expensive than AA's for example.
Yes, others do.
People will still hate it with the most ridiculous excuses
When the shoe fits wear it ....hard to tell the difference between a hater and a fanbois ...both are cut from the same cloth
This site is nothing but hater/fanboi... those that are fence sitters could care less either way and don't bother posting.
Nope, there are still others. I know this because I googled it.
I think the premise of these kinds of threads are inherently flawed. I think the negativity towards the pre-release sales models like this are based on two erroneous factors.
1.) Anyone paying for what is essentially Alpha access is also getting in-game items and game time for the cost of the package. While Alpha access is a driving force behind many of the purchases, it is not the sole value of buying one of the founder's packs.
2.) The "no such thing as a free lunch anymore" effect. There are a lot of people that want early access to MMO's under the guise of being testers. Lets be honest, for most of these people - finding bugs was an inconvenience and not a purpose or mission. The fallacy of "beta tests" has become two-fold. Most of the people testing weren't really there for testing so why not go ahead and make them consumers.
I think the new arrangement is much more honest in both regards, no one is pretending to be something they aren't. Consumers that want to play the game now, don't have to pretend to be testers, and the developers don't have to pretend like an "unfinished" game doesn't have value yet.
just don't buy into the beta then, lol. I am looking forward to trying this game out, but I have no desire to pay to test their game. So, I wont. I don't care about trying the game until its OFFICIALLY released. After it comes out. If it is worth my time and money, I will play it and spend some of my cash on it, if I think its worth it.
I think its crazy people paying for this sort of thing, but that's their decision and personally it doesn't affect my life one bit.
The problem is that many people have a severe lack of information before going to form an opinion or even judge. Archeage is out in Korea since ~ 2 years and it is also playable in Russia since quite a while. A lot of those people who bought founder packs already played in Korea, Russia or both and know the game and its mechanics. They don't pay for "testing the game for Trion" they pay for early access to all changes Trion makes to the western version to be prepared.
Archeage is different than most other games on the market right now. It is not about raiding to gear up so you can raid the next tier and then shelf your char until the next expansion hits, but it is a fight for resources and needs huge group efforts for high end crafting, building fleets of trade- and warships, building castles, claiming and holding land on the north continent, large trade runs with escorts, land and naval warfare, you name it. For all that you need quite deep planning in the economy and since some resources are scarce and hard to come by you also need to be ahead of the curve when you are into competitive guild fights.
From a single player perspective that might seem moot, but even as a single player you are far better off at launch when you have a general idea about the non-themepark game mechanics.
So many mad people. Did they make you play the beta? No
Did you test something. yes, you tested the F2P part of the game.
Are they making money of the Founders pack. yes, look at Steam sales for instace. No, I dont have links.
Is this game, good or bad. Depends on who you ask.
Is it sandbox. i think so. No, you cant make your own quest. yes, you can make your own adventures.
I paid $64 for ESO. hoping it would be the next game. it wasnt. I paid for FF14, it wanst the game for me. Face it. Im a gamer. I set aside MONEY for my hobby I think a lot of you guys either need a job, or a new hobby!
The freeloaders, and the haters are killing me. From laughing so hard.
Well, in the odl days alpha and beta testing was just that: testing.
These days it's just "pay for a unfinished awfully coded game" cash & grab before the F2P mode hits or the servers get shut down.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
I paid 150 dollars to get into alpha.
I have got 150 dollars worth of entertainment already and I still get more for my money.
Trion got MONEY which is good for them.
People who do not want to pay a dime got a good deal too, people like me are paying for a game for them.
Why would this make anyone mad I have no clue unless you are jealous and want to play but can't afford the 150.
If you are mad for another reason think about it a second or two, you still get your free game and suckers like me are paying for it, how could this not be a good deal for you too?
Ok, if you are going to be picayune about it "just because you feel this is an issue doesn't mean that everybody does".
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