Originally posted by fadeblack What is turning me off to this game is the complaints by the D&D fans themselves. You wont see any Wow fans slamming WOW. You wont find any complaining about Darkfall or Conan either. There fans are all pumped up!! The fanbase of D&D Online are gong to destroy any chance this game had. Honestly it is not the game I am turned off by but by the community surrounding this game. I can just picture loggin in on release day head to the tavern, and have my chat buffer full of people screaming about sueing Turbine. No Thanks...
Do you understand what you just said? You basically said that a bunch of people who don't like the game are going to pay 50 bucks to bash Turbine. Yah right. I do agree that many people don't like this game though. You either hate it or love it
If Turbine is so good about adding content it would make sense to have added enough at release to at least allow players to have enough quests to push thru to lvl10. If you drop the NDA on beta and everyone says "Hey I got to lvl 10 in a month and had to repeat quests to do it" then that is pretty much factually based. It's not a "DNDOnline Sux" statement or "I don't like the combat" statement. Those are a perspecitive. I really had high hopes for this one but the same Turbine that everyone praises for content additions is also the same Turbine that released Asheron's Call 2. That and the NDA commentary will probably keep me away untill someone reports that their more quests in game on release day than now.
Originally posted by Rattrap We all know that real D&D fans wait for NWN2
Well, enjoy your wait, while I enjoy playing this for some light-hearted fun until some of the long-promised other genre-redefining (etc) games emerge, and I try them for a bit also.
Personally, I am looking forward to age of Conan, but each to their own.
PS: to those who moan about having to repeat instances - did you ever try wow? I can't count the number of times I re-ran the same instances (top level anyway) in a search for some stupid piece of armour.
For those who don't like instances at all... fair enough, but the reality of much of wow was waiting around in IF trying to find a group to go do an instance. I loved levelling up in wow, as there was a genuine sense of discovery and travel, something ddo does not offer.
But by high levels most gameplay experience was instanced anyway... and in a less gripping way than ddo, for the most part.
I see DDO as a game you dip into for an hour or two of good entertainment with friends... does it provide an immersive mmo experience? not that I can see, although I only just started playing it.
But does it offer an ejoyable, slightly different, blast of fantasy-setting entertainment? In the same way as I enjoy a blast here and there of Battlefield or Counterstike? Sure!
As to $15 - well that is a fair question, but guess what? if you get bored, quit. If you are enjoying it for what it is, what's the problem? I am sure plenty more content will be on its way soon anyway.
Why is everyone assuming that because Turbine was adding content on a monthly basis on AC that they will do the same for D&D ? Please point me to a dev post or an article stating that they will add monthly content.
Originally posted by Aguitha Why is everyone assuming that because Turbine was adding content on a monthly basis on AC that they will do the same for D&D ? Please point me to a dev post or an article stating that they will add monthly content.
Exactly.
I purchase a game based on whether it offers what interests me. Frankly, the only update that Turbine could do that would make me consider this game is . . . start from scratch and make a real game that is worth the time and money investment.
Originally posted by Aguitha Why is everyone assuming that because Turbine was adding content on a monthly basis on AC that they will do the same for D&D ? Please point me to a dev post or an article stating that they will add monthly content.
well i am not assuming anything of the sort.
I am expecting them to do that which is different. If it turns out that they do not well than i will have to step back and evalute what they are doing if i am still happy than business as usually if not than i move on to another game. Given that this company has provided monthly updates and both their previous games that expectation is not unreasonable.
Exactly. I purchase a game based on whether it offers what interests me. Frankly, the only update that Turbine could do that would make me consider this game is . . . start from scratch and make a real game that is worth the time and money investment.
Exactly
This game offers what interests me so as things stand i will be purchasing it. If they made the changes that would make it worth YOUR money to buy; it would than make the game uniteresting to ME to buy so making those changes would gain turbine nothing except delaying the release of the game and adding more development costs.
Lets face it with x amount of people all demanding x variations on what they want the game to be like it would require turbine to make x different games to please everyone. So instead they make the game as they see fit and the people that like it buy it those that dont ... dont. I have tried the game and yes there are things i dont like about it but very few people are ever going to get a game that they like absolutely everything about it unless they make the game themselves.
For me this game is close enough to one of the many different games i like that i will buy it and play it untill i am bored. If that turns out to be the 2 years i spent playing daoc or the 2 months i spent playing COH well i will enjoy that time however long it turns out to be.
Originally posted by Aguitha Why is everyone assuming that because Turbine was adding content on a monthly basis on AC that they will do the same for D&D ? Please point me to a dev post or an article stating that they will add monthly content.
some links to regular updates as stated by the developers
Originally posted by Aguitha Why is everyone assuming that because Turbine was adding content on a monthly basis on AC that they will do the same for D&D ? Please point me to a dev post or an article stating that they will add monthly content.
some links to regular updates as stated by the developers
Did you check the dates of the first two??? March of 2005... Almost a year ago. They weren't even in Beta yet. And the last one just states that "Dave Arneson will be the voice of the Dungeon Master in the first live update, featuring the dreaded Red Dragon." It says nothing about how often the updates will be. Or even when the first update will be.
In the last PC Gamer they said that they plan to have the first update out within a month or so after release, with the next update a few months later.
Originally posted by Cutedge In the last PC Gamer they said that they plan to have the first update out within a month or so after release, with the next update a few months later.
So we are talking about every two to three months, maybe. Not at all like their AC1 and AC2 which was every month.
Originally posted by Cutedge In the last PC Gamer they said that they plan to have the first update out within a month or so after release, with the next update a few months later.
I just read a article about SOE releasing games and expansions that were 40% done (including EQII and SWG) and then using subscription fees and purchases to fund further development to later add content to complete the game. The casual gamer doesn't notice and the hardcore guys alway gripe so few pay attention to this. A MMORPG is never done mind you but to me it is a crappy business practice to not have enough content in game by release to at least present one path to max level via quests, grinding or whatever it is you level with. It's all good to say we will have some new content in a month or so to help get you to lvl 10 but shouldn't you realistically be working on the freaking expansion at that point with Druids and monks? Shouldn't you be sitting by to fix unknown bugs instead of scrambling on release day to get content that should already exist shoved into your game? I hate to say it but I think D&D is going to be made an example of by the community when they don't buy this game or support yet another halfway-done product. If I choose to buy the game and get a subscription and take off work and play all week then I should not reach any point of having to repeat myself before reaching the max level. New content patches would be great but they should provide new quests for people to have choices in their leveling. Not to give the first quests for 5th-10th lvl after release in my opinion.
I don't see a game design which could provide fun for a period longer than a month or two. Solving the same quests over and over, most of them only doable in a group, in three different difficulty settings is simply not enough to keep me motivated several months.
The graphics are good and the quests are fun the first time you complete them but it would have been much better for us, the players ( and when the first bunch of players is leaving because they're bored, also for Turbine... ) to make this a CRPG with coop-mode instead of starting a heavily instanced MMO-Light with the intention to rip off players with subscription fees.
To compare this game to "Guild Wars", a game without fees but with longevity due to it's PvP focus, will probably cause allergies for Jeff Anderson. .)
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Perhaps I did get alittle carried away.
Turbine did indeed add a story line with a quest every single month like CLOCK WORK.
Eves updates, though not as often, where massive and changed the game play. Guess thats why I said what I did.
Well, enjoy your wait, while I enjoy playing this for some light-hearted fun until some of the long-promised other genre-redefining (etc) games emerge, and I try them for a bit also.
Personally, I am looking forward to age of Conan, but each to their own.
PS: to those who moan about having to repeat instances - did you ever try wow? I can't count the number of times I re-ran the same instances (top level anyway) in a search for some stupid piece of armour.
For those who don't like instances at all... fair enough, but the reality of much of wow was waiting around in IF trying to find a group to go do an instance. I loved levelling up in wow, as there was a genuine sense of discovery and travel, something ddo does not offer.
But by high levels most gameplay experience was instanced anyway... and in a less gripping way than ddo, for the most part.
I see DDO as a game you dip into for an hour or two of good entertainment with friends... does it provide an immersive mmo experience? not that I can see, although I only just started playing it.
But does it offer an ejoyable, slightly different, blast of fantasy-setting entertainment? In the same way as I enjoy a blast here and there of Battlefield or Counterstike? Sure!
As to $15 - well that is a fair question, but guess what? if you get bored, quit. If you are enjoying it for what it is, what's the problem? I am sure plenty more content will be on its way soon anyway.
Exactly.
I purchase a game based on whether it offers what interests me. Frankly, the only update that Turbine could do that would make me consider this game is . . . start from scratch and make a real game that is worth the time and money investment.
http://aion.24-hrgaming.net
well i am not assuming anything of the sort.
I am expecting them to do that which is different. If it turns out that they do not well than i will have to step back and evalute what they are doing if i am still happy than business as usually if not than i move on to another game. Given that this company has provided monthly updates and both their previous games that expectation is not unreasonable.
Exactly
This game offers what interests me so as things stand i will be purchasing it. If they made the changes that would make it worth YOUR money to buy; it would than make the game uniteresting to ME to buy so making those changes would gain turbine nothing except delaying the release of the game and adding more development costs.
Lets face it with x amount of people all demanding x variations on what they want the game to be like it would require turbine to make x different games to please everyone. So instead they make the game as they see fit and the people that like it buy it those that dont ... dont. I have tried the game and yes there are things i dont like about it but very few people are ever going to get a game that they like absolutely everything about it unless they make the game themselves.
For me this game is close enough to one of the many different games i like that i will buy it and play it untill i am bored. If that turns out to be the 2 years i spent playing daoc or the 2 months i spent playing COH well i will enjoy that time however long it turns out to be.
some links to regular updates as stated by the developers
http://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php?p=38372#post38372
http://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php?p=40633#post40633
the last line of this one indicates they already have their first live update planned.
http://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php?&postid=378403#post378403
some links to regular updates as stated by the developers
http://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php?p=38372#post38372
http://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php?p=40633#post40633
the last line of this one indicates they already have their first live update planned.
http://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php?&postid=378403#post378403
Did you check the dates of the first two??? March of 2005... Almost a year ago. They weren't even in Beta yet. And the last one just states that "Dave Arneson will be the voice of the Dungeon Master in the first live update, featuring the dreaded Red Dragon." It says nothing about how often the updates will be. Or even when the first update will be.
In the last PC Gamer they said that they plan to have the first update out within a month or so after release, with the next update a few months later.
I just read a article about SOE releasing games and expansions that were 40% done (including EQII and SWG) and then using subscription fees and purchases to fund further development to later add content to complete the game. The casual gamer doesn't notice and the hardcore guys alway gripe so few pay attention to this. A MMORPG is never done mind you but to me it is a crappy business practice to not have enough content in game by release to at least present one path to max level via quests, grinding or whatever it is you level with. It's all good to say we will have some new content in a month or so to help get you to lvl 10 but shouldn't you realistically be working on the freaking expansion at that point with Druids and monks? Shouldn't you be sitting by to fix unknown bugs instead of scrambling on release day to get content that should already exist shoved into your game? I hate to say it but I think D&D is going to be made an example of by the community when they don't buy this game or support yet another halfway-done product. If I choose to buy the game and get a subscription and take off work and play all week then I should not reach any point of having to repeat myself before reaching the max level. New content patches would be great but they should provide new quests for people to have choices in their leveling. Not to give the first quests for 5th-10th lvl after release in my opinion.
I don't see a game design which could provide fun for a period longer than a month or two. Solving the same quests over and over, most of them only doable in a group, in three different difficulty settings is simply not enough to keep me motivated several months.
The graphics are good and the quests are fun the first time you complete them but it would have been much better for us, the players ( and when the first bunch of players is leaving because they're bored, also for Turbine... ) to make this a CRPG with coop-mode instead of starting a heavily instanced MMO-Light with the intention to rip off players with subscription fees.
To compare this game to "Guild Wars", a game without fees but with longevity due to it's PvP focus, will probably cause allergies for Jeff Anderson. .)
It's awful, don't even bother
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