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[Column] World of Warcraft: The Ramp Up to Warlords

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129

This week I geek out over the new Warlords cinematic, we check out the new Lords of War animated series and inspect the goodies in the Warlords Collector’s edition.

Read more of Reza Lackey's All things Warcraft: The Ramp Up to Warlords.

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  • SiphaedSiphaed Member RarePosts: 1,114

    *crickets*

     

    Hmmm....that's some excitement.

     

    Seriously seems like a lot of reused skins, models, assets from previous years of the game.  The only thing that looked visually different was the weird plant looking creature in that video above that made me 2nd glance it thinking I was looking at a mutated Sylvari (GW2). 

     

    Garrisons, what a joke.  Taking the Mages Tower (since Vanilla, Stormwind), Barracks (since Vanilla, any other human hub), and other same model things to then have players set up specific placement in a "phased" (i.e. instanced) area for them to use as a key Daily Quest hub and centralized feature of the expansion means.....means it's really lazy design overall. 


  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    I'll probably do the same thing I did for Cata and MOP. Wait a few months for the dust to settle, Check it out and play it for a month or two before getting bored and cancelling.
  • theniffrigtheniffrig Member UncommonPosts: 351

    Too much waiting time for content in WoW. That's why I don't play currently.

    Icecrown Citadel in Wrath was how many months the end game content? Even back then Blizzard were telling players that they want to deliver content faster.

    Deathwings raid was endgame content for how many months in cata? Still promised the next expansion would comes faster, but not delivered.

    Now, Mists Seige of Orgrimmar raid has been the end game content for how long at this stage? And it still will be for another 3 months! And even now they say that next expansion will come faster (again something we've heard for what, 5 years now?) and that the reason they didnt deliver it was they added so many people to the team that they all had to be trainned up so it was slower.

    I personally would like an expansion once a year, like SoE does for Everquest. It doesn't have to be massive, but it just has to deliver enough content with maybe 2 major patches in between expansions every 4 months just to keep the game interesting and retain my sub. If a massive company like Blizzard can't do that when they have the biggest mmo subscriber numbers in the industry, there is a serious problem within the company, be it their staff/management or whatever.

    I have 0 reason to re-sub until the big pre-patch occurs, which is again probably 2 months off still.

  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Member UncommonPosts: 3,713
    Finally housing! In the past on another planet in an alternate timeline... Waaah?

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  • cronius77cronius77 Member UncommonPosts: 1,652
    I really wouldnt consider this housing it sure didnt feel like housing a couple of months ago when i tried it out. More like just phases of a quest hub where you build some stuff with very little customization at all. I hated the death knight spam changes seriously. Now you have to spam a ranged ability instead of runestrike to rebuild runes. Overall this game has seen much better days even cata is better then this expansion from all the parts i seen of it. I wish them well but I think blizzard is going to be very disappointed with sales numbers in the end and resubs.
  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,227
    Originally posted by Siphaed

    Garrisons, what a joke.  Taking the Mages Tower (since Vanilla, Stormwind), Barracks (since Vanilla, any other human hub), and other same model things to then have players set up specific placement in a "phased" (i.e. instanced) area for them to use as a key Daily Quest hub and centralized feature of the expansion means.....means it's really lazy design overall. 

     

    Actually that would be Warcraft O&H... But who is counting... If you managed to miss the obvious nod to the roots of the franchise that Garrisons are... I pity you.

     

    As for reused... The ideas might be reused but having looked at most of the material presented for the garrisons they are actually new models. Just like they update the players characters and several outland creatures they have facelifted these old buildings.. keeping the look but updating the actual models.

     

    As for them being instanced... No sh*t sherlock... I do not know if you did play SWG back in the days but free housing has never been a good idea or worked... at all...

     

    Any way... Dislike the game all you want but at least complain about things that make sense...

    This have been a good conversation

  • GravargGravarg Member UncommonPosts: 3,424
    I find it funny that people keep saying it's all reused and rehashed.  There isn't one single texture or model that isn't new in Draenor...
     
  • PepeqPepeq Member UncommonPosts: 1,977
    Originally posted by Gravarg
    I find it funny that people keep saying it's all reused and rehashed.  There isn't one single texture that isn't new in Draenor...

    I would have to say, that at the pixel level, it's highly unlikely that they didn't reuse the colors.  So in essence, every texture map ever made is a rehash of the same colors we've all seen before.

     

    It's white...

    No it's not, is snowflake...

    I'd say it's more of a clean linen with a hint of morning air...

    It's white...

  • Righteous_RockRighteous_Rock Member RarePosts: 1,234
    Salt or cotton as well
  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Member UncommonPosts: 3,713
    I wish Blizzard and players would stop insisting actual housing just takes players out of the world and puts them all in their houses. Yes this CAN happen and SOE messed it up with EQ2 and made it so players can do literally everything in their houses and guild halls.

    But EQ2s and other housing was and is very popular without having all the functionality of a city. They very much underestimate many people's desire to have something to call their own in a game world and how that keeps people tied to the game. I used to love finding new items for my house in EQ2 and often did heritage quests just to hang the item on my wall.

    One look at how much money SOTA fans are spending on housing before the game is even in beta says a lot. But they aren't using housing to replace city functions either.

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  • nate1980nate1980 Member UncommonPosts: 2,074

    The expansion setting doesn't appeal to me. I could care less about Orcs, except stabbing them. The cinematic was just about the Orcs. I'm a Human, NE, and BE kind of guy. Lore that concerns them is what interests me.

    With that said, even if the expansion did appeal to me, I still couldn't play it. I resubscribed and bought the last two expansions, but because I'd have to regrind Outlands and Northrend, I kept quitting soon after. I can't stomach redoing the same string of solo quests that I've done before, but picking up where I left off on a max level character really isn't an option either for numerous reasons. 

     

  • SigilaeaSigilaea Member Posts: 317
    Originally posted by nate1980

    The expansion setting doesn't appeal to me. I could care less about Orcs, except stabbing them. The cinematic was just about the Orcs. I'm a Human, NE, and BE kind of guy. Lore that concerns them is what interests me.

    With that said, even if the expansion did appeal to me, I still couldn't play it. I resubscribed and bought the last two expansions, but because I'd have to regrind Outlands and Northrend, I kept quitting soon after. I can't stomach redoing the same string of solo quests that I've done before, but picking up where I left off on a max level character really isn't an option either for numerous reasons. 

     

    If you buy WoD you get to have one toon start at 90. And each additional toon after that is $60. How exciting.

  • meonthissitemeonthissite Member UncommonPosts: 917
    As years have gone by I've become a bit more frugal about these things. I plan on waiting to see how this game fairs with this update especially since GC is no longer in the picture. But I gotta say one of the more disappointing things was learning that their only solution for BM hunters who were drastically broken by GC was to require they level to 100 to get the full functionality from their pets back. sigh smh
  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,094
    Originally posted by Siphaed

    *crickets*

     

    Hmmm....that's some excitement.

     

    Seriously seems like a lot of reused skins, models, assets from previous years of the game.  The only thing that looked visually different was the weird plant looking creature in that video above that made me 2nd glance it thinking I was looking at a mutated Sylvari (GW2). 

     

    Garrisons, what a joke.  Taking the Mages Tower (since Vanilla, Stormwind), Barracks (since Vanilla, any other human hub), and other same model things to then have players set up specific placement in a "phased" (i.e. instanced) area for them to use as a key Daily Quest hub and centralized feature of the expansion means.....means it's really lazy design overall. 

     

    You can check my posting history to see how disappointed as a whole I am with Blizzard and WoW at the moment.

     

    Though as a whole your post here is entirely wrong, coming from someone who is in beta.

     

    The assets you mentioned are not reused; even the dark portal in that picture was created from scratch.  It is much better than the current portal (roughly 20x the size) and has a lot of intricate details.  In addition, they did not copy paste things from Stormwind and put them in you garrison.  The garrison is completely unique in design -- every building has three levels thus far, and they are all independent of anything in the game.  In high definition and with their own architecture (speaking for the Alliance version here).

     

    The first level of the mage tower is actually a large tent.  The second level, it still isn't a tower, but contains many books and is moreso a round building with no second story.  I've yet to see the third level, as it is no in beta yet.

     

    Even the character models have been made from scratch, as well as each zone, many mobs, etc.  The environment is gorgeous and the art team did a fantastic job as a whole.  One could say many things about the beta of this expansion, but reusing old assets is not (within reason) one of them.

     

     

    Due to frequent travel in my youth, English isn't something I consider my primary language (and thus I obtained quirky ways of writing).  German and French were always easier for me despite my family being U.S. citizens for over a century.  Spanish I learned as a requirement in school, Japanese and Korean I acquired for my youthful desire of anime and gaming (and also work now).  I only debate in English to help me work with it (and limit things).  In addition, I'm not smart enough to remain fluent in everything and typically need exposure to get in the groove of things again if I haven't heard it in a while.  If you understand Mandarin, I know a little, but it has actually been a challenge and could use some help.

    Also, I thoroughly enjoy debates and have accounts on over a dozen sites for this.  If you wish to engage in such, please put effort in a post and provide sources -- I will then do the same with what I already wrote (if I didn't) as well as with my responses to your own.  Expanding my information on a subject makes my stance either change or strengthen the next time I speak of it or write a thesis.  Allow me to thank you sincerely for your time.
  • AsamofAsamof Member UncommonPosts: 824
    Originally posted by Yaevindusk
    Originally posted by Siphaed

    *crickets*

     

    Hmmm....that's some excitement.

     

    Seriously seems like a lot of reused skins, models, assets from previous years of the game.  The only thing that looked visually different was the weird plant looking creature in that video above that made me 2nd glance it thinking I was looking at a mutated Sylvari (GW2). 

     

    Garrisons, what a joke.  Taking the Mages Tower (since Vanilla, Stormwind), Barracks (since Vanilla, any other human hub), and other same model things to then have players set up specific placement in a "phased" (i.e. instanced) area for them to use as a key Daily Quest hub and centralized feature of the expansion means.....means it's really lazy design overall. 

     

    You can check my posting history to see how disappointed as a whole I am with Blizzard and WoW at the moment.

     

    Though as a whole your post here is entirely wrong, coming from someone who is in beta.

     

    The assets you mentioned are not reused; even the dark portal in that picture was created from scratch.  It is much better than the current portal (roughly 20x the size) and has a lot of intricate details.  In addition, they did not copy paste things from Stormwind and put them in you garrison.  The garrison is completely unique in design -- every building has three levels thus far, and they are all independent of anything in the game.  In high definition and with their own architecture (speaking for the Alliance version here).

     

    The first level of the mage tower is actually a large tent.  The second level, it still isn't a tower, but contains many books and is moreso a round building with no second story.  I've yet to see the third level, as it is no in beta yet.

     

    Even the character models have been made from scratch, as well as each zone, many mobs, etc.  The environment is gorgeous and the art team did a fantastic job as a whole.  One could say many things about the beta of this expansion, but reusing old assets is not (within reason) one of them.

     

     

    They do reuse art assets quite a bit, but I don't know any MMO that doesn't. Not to mention most of the WoW assets are so well designed these days, I'm surprised people are attacking that portion. Better to attack all development resources going into the garrisons that nobody wanted (and are certainly NOT what people meant when they wanted player housing)

  • SaluteSalute Member UncommonPosts: 795
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    I'll probably do the same thing I did for Cata and MOP. Wait a few months for the dust to settle, Check it out and play it for a month or two before getting bored and cancelling.

    This is the reason that for the first time i wont buy a wow expansion. I don't want to give my money only to play a couple of months max and after that quit because of boredom. I m not going to repeat the same routine as in cata-mop where jumping in orgrimmar and watch chat channels was my gameplay after a month or two.

    As for housing...pls...garrisons are not even close to it.

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  • DauntisDauntis Member UncommonPosts: 600

    Really in all fairness to the "This expansion is all about the orcs... who cares I play alliance" argument. Well you got your expansion time... WOTLK was all about the humans, it is the orcs turn.

    Honestly, I don't see much in this expansion that interests me either. I am much more excited by new races or classes, they should have done another hero class for this one, maybe something like Gladiator or Beastmaster it would have fit with the motif. A melee pet class would be pretty cool.

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  • DemenshaDemensha Member UncommonPosts: 76
    Enjoying the storyline and lore more so than the xpac
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