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One word: Boring.
brihtwulf
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When I saw the reader's choice awards, I was AMAZED. I bought this game when it first came out. Played it for a while, and found it boring. I came back a few months ago to give it a second chance, and wouldn't you know it, the game was still boring. I don't know what the game is like for the high levels, but unless you're way up the food chain, there's practically nothing to do. I mean, you can only take so much mining before you want to take a walk outside your ship into the cold vacuum of space.
The community is also terrible. No one is helping other people, so you're left guessing on what to do next. And I don't know about these player maximums that were constantly being broken, because I didn't see people that often at all in the lower-level zones. Where are these 19,000 players supposed to be? Granted it's a big universe, but I only found a handfull of people where I was. And as I said, when there were people around, they had no interest in helping you or answering your questions.
So you'll spend the entire time wondering what to do next and where everone is. Wander around and get in a fight, or look for some meteors to harvest. Rinse and repeat. And don't even think about PvP because you'll just get wasted, if you even know where to find it or what to look for. I would have to say that the response by the site's readers confuses me greatly.
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If you really want to enjoy this game I think you are going to have to join a Corporation. Look on the official eve forums for corporations who will recruit newer players. You can have a lot of fun in Eve if you have some other people to group with. Also, ask questions in the help channels, that's what they are there for. They can get you setup with finding agents, so you can get into combat missions instead of mining all day. You really don't want to be mining in the starter ship anyway :P.
Most of these records are being broken and there are usually 100+ people in the new player areas making them pretty laggy. Experienced players will try to avoid these areas as much as possible because of this. Even though they are breaking these player records their hardware can't handle it very well at all.
Another thing you can do is check out the Movies forum at the official site. These will give you a good example of the fun battles that can take place in this game.
World of Warcraft was boring too because all there is to do is grind mobs....
What?! You mean there are other things to do besides that? OH SNAP!
Someone needs to create a good guide on how to have fun playing EVE, people seem to instinctively choose the most boring grind. It's just so funny when I hear "I'm tired of grinding astroids and EVE sucks!" stop grinding astroids then you damn fool!
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MMOs Retired From: Earth and Beyond, Project Entropia, There, A Tale in the Desert, Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft, Eve Online, City of Heroes/Villains.
MMOs Currently (worth) Playing: None.
MMO hopefuls: Age of Conan.
Yeah it is, you'd think people could figure out what is fun for them on their own.
... Kinda just like real life, if you chose to be an accountant instead of a pirate or ninja that's your fault
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MMOs Retired From: Earth and Beyond, Project Entropia, There, A Tale in the Desert, Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft, Eve Online, City of Heroes/Villains.
MMOs Currently (worth) Playing: None.
MMO hopefuls: Age of Conan.
There is a thread in these forums about how to have fun on the 14 day trial as a pirate.
Found HERE. Obviously the OP didn't try anything out of the ordinary, mine till bored and quit, mission till bored and quit, pvp solo in the wrong space too many times and quit.
EvE is a great game, its just NOT for EVERYONE.
i find it boring, but i still play because theres nothing better out there. Hell i find mining funner then WoW
the only bad thing is that the more time you've HAD the game the more skills you'll have. i hear theyre trying to fix this tho
?played: Nearly everything.
?waiting: *Darkfall*, Hero''s Journey
Its only boring if you try to play it like we've been brainwashed to play mmorpgs. As for "high level content," you can get that anytime you want. But you have to look for it. It doesn't appear to you after you ding and a new instanced zone suddenly opens up for you to play in. You really can get to see all of it! You can get to see some amazing things in even the 14 day trial, only limited of course by what it is you want to see, b/c running around in EvE is like running around Africa, you cant do it in 14 days - but you can still get up close to the lions! You also wont be able to pilot a dreadnought, though I wouldn't want too, who do you think becomes the alpha target? Frigs are much much safer believe it or not.
I agree on the mining, I tried it for a bit, couldn't stand it... made enough isk in one night to buy a cruiser at least. This was without the help of a corp. I did the mission thing for a while and was able to rack up a lot of isk doing all kinds of various things and then got some better agents and more interesting missions - like trading slaves, or bringing back someones frozen corpse. hehe BTW, there is a help channel - you probably saw it, but I had every question I asked answered. I did have to be a little patient as the other 100 or so people had a few questions themselves. But the new people who knew the answers can answer them as well, its not like you need an on-call GM or vet to tell you what you're doing wrong.
There are corps that work only to help noobies get their footing. But you have to look for them! Not everyone needs help getting started, or needs help having fun. For some the game just clicks, for others it takes a bit of interaction with other players to get going. I like to solo myself, so I wasn't exactly looking for people to chat with, and the local channels just seemed over crowded anyway. CCP has moved around some of the "hubs" that noobs and vets tended to congregate at, so it spreads the work between more of their servers. So right now, ive noticed normally crazy zones to be not so bad.
You also have to realize (im sure you really do), but you just need to travel around a bit to get the idea that the players who are looking to start new corps, or are looking for an un-mined belt with the rare roids are going to have adventure out to find them. This takes a bit of work using the map, which for someone who has never seen the EvE "map" feature, it is quite overwhelming and your first instinct is to not bother using it at all. However, its not just a map... You need to spend some good time working with it to see all the goodies it offers. It keeps you up to date in real time on various things in the universe. Also btw, is so freaking huge, that you do need a map of this sort to understand why people are where they are, and what places are to be avoided.
So for instance, using the map you find an agent that has a better than excellent standing with you in another system (you can look at all your available agents in the Eve universe, who they are, and what they do from the map), you also notice (using the map) that you must pass through a .4 sec system (one in which you could get ganked without any help from the npc police gank squad - concord) - so this is a dilemma, do you take the risk of getting to an agent that will reward you heavily for your services by moving through an unprotected system? You take another look at the map, and find that within the last hour 3 jumps have been in or out of that system. - meaning very low traffic, good thing. You can also see that within the last hour no ships have been destroyed in that system, VERY good thing. But just to be sure you see if any ships/pods have been destroyed within the last 24hours, and you see that 2 ships have been destroyed, but none podded. This would indicate to me that this system is 90% safe. Very good odds that I would take. Pirates use the same map, and look for high traffic areas around .4 and below systems, thats where they are most likely to make the most out of their time. So, you can get a feel for whats going on around you, or even on the other side of the universe. and you haven't even undocked and you have a solid plan to make some isk or be given the opportunity to buy some black market modules with a great agent.
This is just one feature out of million that goes completely overlooked by the new players (myself included in that). You can get by without it, and I did for a few weeks until I auto-piloted myself into a .4 system that had a module I wanted to purchase at a very low price. I had no clue it was a .4, or what that could possibly entail... I learned my lesson very quickly and without warning, didn't get ganked, but I was actually scared to leave the station that I ran to. I had no clue who fired at me, where it came from, or what type of ship was shooting at me. I finally found out who the guy was that did it (with a 30mil bounty on his head no less), and he was lurking around the system. I didn't know if he was waiting outside the station for me, or camping a gate waiting for me to run - or even if he was still interested in killing me... All I knew was that as I was docking there were frozen corpses floating everywhere. I was lucky. Had I used the map, which I pulled up at this point, I could see that infact within the last hour 10 people had not only lost their ships, but had also been podded. I was dumb, and he knew that there were modules were being sold at a station that were pretty far away to get from anywhere else. Smart player with a strong tactic - this is not grief play, even though I felt like it at first. However, since it was still a .4 system, the second he stepped into a .5, he would have been instantly jumped by concord and destroyed (as his sec status from killing so many people in a non- 0.0 system made him a target for anyone.) In fact, if someone was a bounty hunter, they could have podded this guy and made 30mil for a few minutes work. I was setup for doing civilian work, not pirate ganking. I ended up sneaking out and took my chances at a gate to a .5 system I didn't think he would be at, and I was right - I was safe.
In retrospect, this was incredibly fun! At no time during any other game, had I felt such an adrenaline rush as I ran for that gate... Or for that matter, docking at a station with missiles hitting me with what I felt was the fire of hell! Of course, the more you get into the game, the more of these types of situations you run into, and each time you start to get a little smarter - maybe even setting up some bait, or messaging a merc corp that you had a 30mil bounty sitting in front of you with no friends, I could almost see them salivating to get a shot a him, if it was a merc corp that I had dealings with in the past, I might even get a good percentage of the bounty.
That is neither here nor there, the story was fun and I had an adventure that I wasn't even looking for. I learned a lot about the game that day. But really, you have to go out and play it. If you want to go out and play it quickly and reasonably safe, *that means corps! How many times have you all heard that now? Corps? why didn't you join a corp? JOIN a corp! more fun with corp! live and die by the CORP!! Well, its true. Im a solo player that belongs to a kick ass corp (I did a couple hours of research). All I had to do was ask. They got me out of my shell shock from my previous encounters, and taught me how to deal with it - personally. That never happened to me again, because my corp mates made sure that their new guy was well represented and well trained, as long as I represented them in a positive manner that they wanted for their corp. EASY, I was playing that style anyway.
You want to find a good corp? Go to the official EvE forums and find the section that is completely dedicated to corp recruitment. Almost all corps have websites where you can ask questions, talk with the people in the corp, check out how they are run and so forth, *a VERY nice change compared to the crap guilds that just auto-invited me without even asking, just so their rosters look bigger and gained more prestige or a bigger pissing ground. In EvE, corps don't just have stations and systems they wait around in for something to do, they build their own structures, outposts (where ever they decide it belongs) mostly for strategic and economic value of course, then you own ENTIRE parts of incredibly large systems. Your new corp may be part of an alliance that owns one of those systems. Or, at least holds it for the time being. hehe.
You, at your noobie lvl can fly quite a few different ships in a short amount of time ( less than a month), and you are valuable at every engagement - if you are flying with pilots that know what they are doing. You will have a job if you want it, and you will be rewarded in one form or another. Just wait for your first kill of a vet player. Then you can proudly post the kill mail you get on your corps website to brag a bit and you cant wait to get out and do it again. Its all in good fun. The guy you just wasted has no hard feelings against you or any in your corp (a friendly little trash talking never hurts though), hes just playing the game to have fun too. So, your not going to be hunted down in vengeance or sent nasty pm's. But next time, you may be the one to go first. Oh well, you jump back into a shiny new frig/cruiser/BS you had preloaded with your situation on demand setups, and jump in again - maybe a little less gung-ho this time. Its ok to stand behind the battleships before the enemies start shooting. =P But when they do, you fly like mad and do your job - you lock that Armageddon down with your little frig and 500k skill points with a web, and your mates lay into him... he cant warp to a safe spot, or turn and run... You and your gang have assured that. NEXT!
But if that really sounds like no fun, and im really bad at recounting past exploits - so its possible that I just bored you with all that gibberish as well. Good luck finding a good game thats not boring. If I didn't have EvE id be back to playing CS:S or BF1942... meh... back to the frame rate tweaking, card overclocking, and ping bitching. But its still better than the other wasted titles (which I payed good money for). If you find one Solanar (thats not WoW, EQ2, GW, AO, DAoC, CoH, CoV, AC's, SWG, UO, or the Matrix online. Which I have played all, some to their highest lvls) please PM me, I would like to know (seriously). Im a jaded gamer, and EvE is left standing no matter how I pummel it, I think for good reason. I thought what I said was at least entertaining, but gaming is a completely subjective experience, and reading can take a lot out of a person.
I just really wish that CoV was better... So much potential. I lost good money on that one too. For that matter, the matrix had it in the bag as far as content was concerned - sad sad sad. It truly does hurt. Content is so hard to find these days, its really hard to mess up a game if you already have the holy grail of content in your hands (its like pocket Ace's).... I guess the first game (what was it? I paid for that too) should have tipped me off. CoH should have tipped me as well... Im not a quick one sometimes.
Good luck and have fun, b/c thats why we play.
Vulnerant omnia, ultima necat.
as many others out there I've also played this game since beta and hell I'm still playing and have tested out loads of others mmo's out there for one strange reason I found wow to be the worst game ever I guess because its because wow and eve aint even close to each other u simply cant compare But still I do understand y eve ended up getting so much reward!
I think most of the dissapointment people find in Eve when they start out is indeed a problem of expectations.
Eve does not take your hand and tell you where to go, what to do and whom will talk to you. It's also a game that sometimes forces you to make choices you would rather avoid.
However, if you like complexity and open gameplay, you can get out more then youc an get out of any other title I know of. Eve has player run ingame shops that can compete with RL online stores in terms of profesisonality. It even has a player run ingame bank. Your options in this game are legion, so many in fact that starting out you sometimes fail to see them because you don't expect that literally any action that has a positive effect in this game can be made into a viable career for a player.
Imagination and intelligence is where it's at in Eve for the soloplayer. And organisation and logistical excellence when it comes to high end group gameplay. I know no other game that poses the challenges Eve can pose, and no otehr game that offers you the chance to amke up your own like this one does.
But, like I said, the game doesn't list those options for you, you have to think of them yourself. which I imagine can be hard for alot of people especially when they just start out.
Best advice: join a corporation, hang in there for a week or two and you'll be likely to be hooked on this one.
All I have to say is, the game has a low population (compared to other big-name MMORPGs) because it doesn't cater to those who expect mindless leveling and pointless questing. That is a good thing.
Frankly, I don't know why MMORPGs still haven't created unique and interesting quests that actually have purpose. Every MMORPG I know of still uses the same old 'billboard people' method of questing, where you talk to someone, do their quest, and that's the end of that. What about giving us some options in the quest, such as letting us deliver this present to some parent's child...OR we could kidnap the child and demand a ransom. There's so much room to be creative but developers choose to take the safe route and go with billboard people instead...
Yes, you cant just walk out the gates and expect to find rabid rats to kill. So you can lvl up and find bigger rabid rats to kill, or perhaps a snake! If you kill enough, then you can turn them in for a piece of cloth to cover your behind!
The noob zones in EvE are really not noob zones in the behind the gates where the shops n stuff are, where you can bank and sell your wares sort of sense.
They are just like other systems where the PvPing runs rampant and n00bs get pwn3d, except this one has a .9 sec rating - thats it. No gate, no giant beetles - just you and the rest of space, with nothing but your ship and pod in between. It can really be quite a jolt not to have that static "safe" spot you have been used to having, or a path to lead you to the next town.
Really, once your past the shock, get to know the interface, and know how to navigate without getting podded 3 times, your horizons open up and you find a whole lot more to do.
I still dont get how someone gets podded 3 times? Ive played for months and have yet to get podded. Ive had to use it on more than one occasion, but no one has sold my biomass yet. You need a better plan.
Oh, this was said as well-
" I don't know what the game is like for the high levels, but unless you're way up the food chain, there's practically nothing to do. "
You will never know what the game is like for the high levels, b/c there are no high levels. The food chain wont go out of its way to find you, and if you do manage to find it, you still have to make the effort to climb up it a little. There are no free lunches in Eve. A noob is damn close to being a vet, the only real things that separates them is REAL experience, not SP's. A vet who knows how tactics work, could destroy a noob in a battleship with a T1 frig. That was actually one of the first things I learned, if you are in low sec space, and you spot a solo frig, you treat it like microwarping megathron. All part of the fun, for me at least.
Vulnerant omnia, ultima necat.
Ive been playing eve for 2 yrs now , in gamechar is phantommenace , i played for a year and quit due to in game bugs , i couoldent find another decent online game to play so i went back to eve a coulpe of months later .
Ive back playing just over a year now and love this game onceyou get into it its awesome specially when you join a player run corp you really make some kewl buddies , you can use the help channel if you need help , some players are eve volunteers and moniter the help chat channels to help out new players and there are normally over 20 thousend players online at peak times being at night or evening time , during the day probly around 14 thousend players .
i can easily spend 15 or 16 hours or so a day playing this game , once you start getting into corp wars and the high lvl agent missions this game rocks , if you carry on playing and need help evemail me in game .
PHANTOMMENACE
you can ask a bum sitting on a street: who is our president? do you know where to buy a decent computer for playing EVE? which club is the fanciest in town? all he really knows is where to get free soup, less beating and lots on empty bottles - the basics of survival...
which regions are good for trading/hauling/mining/pirating/r&d/npcing (and which goods/rats etc)? Which factions are in power? who licks whos ass? which corps/alliances are worth joining? whom to ask permission for operating in specific region? how do you think will upcoming new content change the prices on market? questions like these woun't be answered... and these (+ a lot more) are the answers you should know when you play eve (at least in your home region).
well, you didnt like to be a bum but you didn't become anything more either - eve life is tough, its roleplaying not whineplaying.
Ksick
Those are quick to answer! For me, it would probably take a page - cause, it just happens that way. So, I don't have time atm, but will answer them point-by-point. Though, the 2yr+ vets are more qualified and have spend more time playing outside of empire space (safe space).
I will say the best regions are up to you and what you're doing, there is not a single one that will fit all those needs. If they did, they would be overpopulated and you wouldn't have your best region anymore. I have a few I like to keep to myself just for that reason, that are completely out of the way but still considered to be "Empire Space" - Stick with .5 sec rating and higher for rating with noob experience. Otherwise, all you need is right in front of you. you don't ever have to leave .5 space for the lower sec space. The lower sec space with yield more isk for either mining, rating, or PvP experience, but if you want to play safe and don't have a corp that organizes itself to work in these types of areas, you need to know what you are doing, and where you are going. You could probably find my "map" post around here somewhere. The map will show all. It tells me where to find the best spots to mine or rat with zero interference, or even other people like me. This is a good thing, but you also have to know how to keep it that way. Too much travel in and out of one system is a good sign that something there is worth traveling for. Putting expensive mods up for sale in your system is a good way for others to see what your oasis looks like, and generates traffic. This system is also not a good system to sell anything in, because its in a domain that has few players, and therefor a crap place to buy and sell things in a reasonable manner - but for you traders - putting up buy orders in a domain as the one I speak of could be VERY lucrative for those in that domain who don't want to make the 10 jumps to a more busy domain. BTW, Domains are freaking huge, there are a few sub-groups under the Domain, so you are safe to keep your system under wraps most of the time.
Ill be back..
Ok, im back to answer your question now.
The answer is: Go to the EvE forums, and click on the links that relate to your questions, b/c they are ALL there, they have been there, and they will not go away any time soon. I realize that bum doesn't own a computer and may not know a damn thing about forums, or for that matter - how to read, then that bum is truly lost, unless the city puts him in a place where he can learn. I wouldn't give him any money though, because it just sounds like he'd use it to smoke crack or get drunk... perhaps both? Did you know that most homeless people are homeless simply b/c they have a mental problem thats bad enough to sap them of their money, to a point where they cant take care of themselves and are forced to live on the street? At some point they don't get any help or even need any help if they have mental issues that extend that far. Who knows, most in my neighborhood don't even know their own names, let alone know how to free base, or use the map in EvE which tells you which parts of the system are owned by what faction, or that some people even go out of their way to keep one up *on the forums* that shows you a nice little graphic of whats going on where.
If you prefer someone in-game to hold you hand, you do the crazy, the impossible, the insane!!!! - you join a corp, and they not only tell you, they will show you how to figure this sort of stuff out on your own... Assuming of course, that you can ask your question without mentioning bums and asking one question at a time helps as well. B/c even the all mighty corp that we speak of like a god or holy grail, will kick you back into purgatory where you will have to troll to get the very same answer im giving you now. So, you decide at what point the loop ends.
I can put this in another way as well - you can do it on your own without asking and just looking around for a few hours.
My kung-fu master (no joke, I have one) told me you must have discipline! j/k he never said that, he'd just lay me out. But he did say that "You were born with two ears, two eyes, and one mouth, why do you think that is?"
I may have to use that more often, b/c the best teacher is also a student themselves. - as odd as that may sound to the forum trolls.
Vulnerant omnia, ultima necat.
The guide would be for players with limited mental capacity whom cannot think outside the box and need a hand to lead them wherever they go.
Seriously, if you found eve boring that only shows what kind of person you are. Maybe you should stick to games like WoW and Counterstrike, just some friendly advice.
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I am the flipside of the coin on which the troll and the fanboy are but one side.
Eve can be as boring as the person playing it. If you need your hand holding through a series of steps until you get to the end-game then Eve isn't for you. Eve is about freedom of creativity, if you have none then I can see why you find it boring.
I can only play (max) 3 hrs during week days (8pm till 11pm -15 max for the week). During weekends I can add max 8 hrs depending. Like this weekend would be 0 hrs because its superbowl weekend and i wont be around.
This games looks really cool when it comes to space exploration and combat and I would like to know if its worth it or if I should wait for another MMORPG. Any suggestions?
I am never bored in EvE but i would be if i would be grinding the same stuff all over and over again.
You're probably too used to following the red line that leads you through the game until max level as it is done in any other MMO. That wont lead you anywhere if you play eve. You need to explore and use your imaginagion. And most important: You need to talk and interact with people.
EVE would be perfect for you since you can train skill points whilst offline. This is one of its most attractive features, you can have as many skill points as the power grinder who started at the same time as you. One reason many power grinders with lots of time to play don't like EVE so much.
Buy it now!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
EVE would be perfect for you since you can train skill points whilst offline. This is one of its most attractive features, you can have as many skill points as the power grinder who started at the same time as you. One reason many power grinders with lots of time to play don't like EVE so much.
Buy it now!
I would say "wholeheartedly agree," however with one change to your last statement.
Try it now! (Don't buy it until you decide you like it)
The great thing about EVE is the 14 day trial. If a player uses thier time wisely, they can really get a feel for the game and truely decide if they want to spend the time / effort on probably the best available mmorpg at this time. The thing about EVE is that it is not for everyone and you cannot just buy it sight unseen. Remember to try with an open mind and don't just follow the "typical" mining or mission template, there is much more to the game and it can be exciting.
/me points to the post above ---^ 14day trial is a give me, especially when you dont have to buy the box to get the trial!!! You can do a whole lot in 14 days... really. It will surprise you.
Learn how to use the map. Its not just a "map." It does cool stuff.
Note: Really - It will make your life easier if you know the features available to you.
Note ptII: - Read through posts on the official EvE fourms for stuff that looks interesting to you. Really. Do that during the download.
Note on the download, you may to baby-sit the download, as it stopped on me every few minutes.... odd, but then I just click the button again and it starts where it left off. Annoying, but no worries. You will be downloading the entire game - expansions and all at the same time! if you have d/l manager, you dont need to worry about the baby-sitting part.
If you find you computer choking on the graphics - there is a great guide with a few tweaks that make a huge difference. - Its on the Eve forums!!
Do the entire turtorial, there is a reward at the end! Loot it immediately. And pay attention to the tutorial! Its actually very good, dont be afraid to use the help channel, but be patient for an answer before you think you need to ask again. Lots of new players!
Most of all, HAVE FUN! Pan around your ship and see how cool it is. You can right click on other players ships and hit the "look at" tab. Its cool to see the other ships up close without having to run into them. Play the game in window'd mode for 1280X1024 to look the best. Also makes it easier to move between forums and game if you need extra info, just shrink it if you want. hehe
Vulnerant omnia, ultima necat.
Everyones entitled to their own opinion, I respect that.
In the case of EVE, it's usually you either like it or hate it. No go between.
Many people seem to hate EVE because it's not your traditional go hack and slash a few hundred monsters and get your level up. Also, there's no "main city" or textbook way to make money fast.
EVE requires you to "think", and unfortunately, this is a big turnoff for many players. The community is somewhat helpful in-game, but I suggest finding a corp asap, so they can help you better with info, money, and maybe even ships.
In EVE, other than the tutorial. Success depends on the corp you choose, skill/time allocation, and patience. Unfortunately, grinding is not the key to success in EVE, and most mining ops and pvping involves corporations.
EVE is a mature and unique MMORPG. Unlike other online games where players commonly showoff and abuse noobs. You won't see this in EVE. Why? Because EVE requires teamwork, and there is no one man army in EVE. Mess with the noob, and his corp might get you in low sec space ^^