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Sub vs F2P
Any info about the differences of sub vs f2p modes? Am i going to have land as f2p? Built buildings, ships, etc? What will be the benefits of a sub and the drawbacks of f2p? What will be in cash shop? Any info would be most welcome. Thank you 
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You cant own land,but a friend subscriber can,and he can let you use his land.
You cant build a house,but you can share a house with a friend subscriber...
You cant capture castels,but if you are not a guild leader that dosnt matter much
You get less labor points (they are used for doing everything ingame except farming mobs,building,farming,crafting..ect)
You cant list items in the auction house.
What you can do....
You can build your ship,same as any subscriber
You can pvpget any gear as any subscriber (arena also)
You can buy items from the auction house.
you can accese all the land,dungeons ect
Basicly people that subscribe get to control the economy and make money faster and easier,they also get the lauxery of having their own houses just for fun,but tehy dont have special exclusive itemsskills or what ever,which seems fair to me
Cash shop will have exp boost potions,Labor points regen potions cosmetics and exlusive mountspets
Another important point,you can buy patron statues (subscribtion) with ingame currency
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Basically clicking away text windows ruins every MMO, try to have fun instead of rushing things. Without story and lore all there is left is a bunch of mechanics.
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Land imho is a very important aspect in AA and its a huge drawback for me. AH restrictions, as someone else noted, can be lifted using a small purchase so i m fine with that.
I guess i ll have to check, when game is launched, if it takes too much farming to buy the sub with ingame currency. This will be very important to me as i love games who uses the option of ingame currency for sub, like EvE / WS / Rift etc.
Its not about saving 15$/month. Its that makes me feel i don't HAVE to play this specific game if i m not paying a sub. I feel free to play more games in the same time and that's something i like a lot.
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APEX = $10
APEX = 1250 credits
30 day patron pass = 2250 credits in market place
players can freely sell/trade/give APEX on the AH or to players. So basically the price of APEX will vary depending on the economy.
also, I haven't heard if they will be selling patron status other than the 30 day one, but hopefully they will vary in length and price.
..my info is based on their cb3 recap
sure you can buy it in game
but like in other version the economy will be fked by bots and cheats that allow you to do trade runs in few seconds
soo yea normal player can forgot about it
I dont mind bots,but hackers that can 1 shot you in pvp scare me the most..... im really looking forward to this game,i hope hackers dont ruin it.
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That sounds fucking awful. I can't think of any F2P I've played lately that locks that much content behind the paywall. Pretty sure I won't be playing this other than to mess with people in it until that gets boring too. They'll need to massively revise that model if they plan to have a real F2P population for very long that isn't just there to Troll them.
I'm not sure you can get exactly what you want. If you drop your subscription (whether acquired through real or in game money), you won't be able to pay taxes on your land (and therefore lose your plot). If you don't want to keep a steady subscription your best bet would be find a friend or guildmate that will let you use their land so you don't have to worry about keeping your plot of land (or I suppose you could find a low pop server that has more land than people so you can just replant when you come back and resub).
Well if you are any indication of what the typical "f2p" player is then i hope they never change it. To come on here and tell us that you are going to deliberately troll the population just because, is all we need to know about you as a person.
Oh and you can't think of any game that locks that much content behind a pay wall? SWToR comes to mind. You are an admitted troll and as such we know you have not even looked up any info on this game to even be slightly educated on the matter of "pay wall" you think AA has.
Go back to your bridge.
Misinformation much?
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it is a p2w game,they added more stuff to the cash shop top make it so.
the ftp has only 2k lp,lp is used to open money drops,identify items,craft,when you die you use lp to get xp back,you cannot own land,pelts and wood can only be farmed on land,which basically means you can mine,those must be bought in auction house but,you cannot sell you metal in ah.you get 5 lp per 5 min as ftp when logged IN,sub get 5 per 5 min when logged out and have 5k lp.ftp gets 60 per hour logged in sub gets 120 or 60 when logged out.the lp is per account,so any other char shares your lp pool.so unlike other games where you have multiple char to do other crafts.you cannot do that cause the lp is depleted by the first char that uses them.
frankly i do not like games that have a sub AND a cash shop.
http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?30017-Cash-Shop-Is-Going-To-Ruin-The-Game-At-This-Rate&p=377651&posted=1#post377651
shows a lot of people are getting upset over the cash shop though.notice they popped that stuff out after they got your money.
I am thankful that Trion is standing by AA's LP system and hopeful that more developers and publishers begin adopting similar systems and stand by them as strongly. Only then will we begin to change the embarrassing entitlement mentality currently infecting the NA F2P crowd. According the NA F2P crowd if they end up having to pay even a dime, it is P2W. Only in NA is the entitlement mentality so strong. None of the other regions have this spoiled entitlement cancer poisoning their gaming communities. It is time for change and I am confident AA is the beginning of the permanent implementation of these types of systems.
Did you play swtor? go play their f2p model and come back talk about how restrictive AA is. AA is as free as it can be when it comes to AAA quality sandbox owpvp mmorpg. Or would you rather not be able to trade with players? or not be able to talk in chat unless level 10? or be restricted to only 2 quickbar? or not be able to receive quest reward after completing quest? or not be able to show title you earned by completing achievement? or not be able to hide helmet? or not be able to equip best gears in game? Consider all of these before writing "Fuckign aweful".
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You can take that post with a grain of salt ...but frankly having a cash shop and a F2P model operate at the same time is my only concern . Being a subscription player for years I'm use to banging my head against the pay to win or play to win (every game has a pay to win crowd ) gamer , having said that I dread having a toxic F2P element added to AA
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Hush, the grownups are still talking. I was willing to give it a real chance. Soon as I read how Pay-to-Play broken it is though, that's when I said the only thing left to do now is find ways to Grief as a F2P'er. I'm not AGAINST subscription games by the way. If they're going to make a subscription game .... good for them. But they don't get to LIE TO EVERYONE by claiming it's F2P anywhere on their website, and then get a free pass. If they're lying about that so boldly, then imagine all the other crap they're lying about that you don't even know about yet.
They're Liars. And the idiots who defend Liars deserve to get messed with. Hell I don't even have to do anything myself, the company behind these lies will eventually ruin all the fun on their own.
Yikes man....You are throwing around some uncool words there. I believe any game that lets you play ALL character levels, go ANYWHERE in game has EVERY RIGHT to call itself FREE TO PLAY.
That being said...the people behind making this game happen for us also deserve something for the time and energy put into the game. So they made a great monthly subscription plan that has very few limitations at all. They also give a great deal of options for free to play people to make store purchases that will aid free to play and give back some to Trion.
On top of all this they even made a family system in the game so subscribed players can invite 6 people to use their house and farm area. Anyone at this stage trying to call names and complain about a few small ways Trion is trying to nudge free to play types over to monthly sub, is just trying to pick fights where there are none. And in reality the game will not sink or swim based on free to play people choosing to not play. It will find a nice core of subscribers and there will be many free to play types that come in and out of the game and many that will convert to monthly sub once they see how much fun subscribers are having with full labor points and housing systems.
You are right. AA is P2P with a limit F2P option.
Ppl are only mentioned the "negative" part of this system and forget the positive ones:
- We really can play for free forever, just need to deal with limitations, and like you said friends and guild can give a huge help here.
- We can Pay a few months and then use the pex system and keep playing as a patron without spend more real money.
- Anyone can start as a f2p and play enouph to decide if the game worth spending some money, this one is a huge plus to me.
- Some ppl only care about PvP and ignore non-combat activitys, this ones can be very happy in AA as a F2P.
- If someone stop playing, later can allways logg in in any moment and check the state of the game, no need to pay a monthly fee only for that.
Theres is a few thing where this hybrid payment system could be improve imo like the acess to AH by f2p and bag space sells only in AH, but overall i thing is a good system, i see more positive points then negative.
What is the future path that Trion / XLGames will take? that we need to wait and see.
After reading you can't post things on the AH as F2P I was about to toss the game off my computer. Then I read that last point about being able to get patron status in game.
Working the auction house has always been one of my main means of making money on any given MMO.
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Actually most free to play games lock more content out than that so that just goes to show you don't know what you're talking about . For instance you can only get to level 50 out of 100 in lotro as free to play , Star Wars the old republic limits the amount of instances you can do in a week . DDO limits the dungeons you can do . Thats just off the top of my head .
I think Rifts about the same as this as a free to player and even though I havn't played it I have heard STO is pretty generous but you still have to pay for the episodes when they come out .
In no free to play game I have played has there ever been a population that is there just to troll . That is probably just you and if that is the level of your mentality then its probably for the benefit of those of us that will be playing that you wont be there with us .
Care to name one free to play mmo that you can do more in ?
It seems a generous free to play model to me but I expect free to play to equal a really long free trial . I think the only thing you are really going to want to pay for if you don't wish to pay a monthly fee is access to the auction house which I gather can be done by spending a small amount in the cash shop .
Personally though I feel Archeage is the only game in years that I can see myself playing for more than three months . To me its the best game I have played since I quit WoW way back in 2008 and in fact I would call it an equal to my experience in WoW vanilla and I suspect it actually may eventually surpass that experience . That is something I had thought I would never say .
I think its worth the subscription price and it will be the first mmo I have subscribed to since Rift converted to free to play . Its my hope that Trion do an all access subscription . I think they will be getting the bulk of the money I spend in mmos each month for quite a long time to come .
It's in the top level menu of the homepage. They could have hardly made it more obvious:
http://www.archeagegame.com/en/faq/
And in this fine document full of interesting information you find a link to the patron and apex programs which expain in lively detail the perks you get for being a paying customer.
http://www.archeagegame.com/en/news/2014/06/archeage-patron-program-apex/