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Please, convince me to buy or not to buy this..
Azyndra
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Basically, WoW is getting kinda old. Same old same old stuff, you know? The PvP grind got old fast and leveling alts is only so interesting, the only thing I really care about is the end game raiding.
That being said, teh last MMO I bought on a whim was CoV, and I played that all of a week before I got bored and moved on. I even thought to myself "man, once you've played WoW, you're spoiled." I've always loved Final Fantasy games, and the game itself looks amazing. But I've read everywhere that the game has some pro's and some big cons.
The economy is screwed up, is that on all servers?
I don't care about PvP, its nice to have but eh, I can go without it.
Grouping doesn't bug me, but I heard it takes forever to find a group?
How fast/slow is leveling?
Any advice you can give me would be much appreciated.
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The economy is screwed up, is that on all servers?
On mine it is, but the only way to get that answered accuratly is to get a reply from each server, i am on Hades
I don't care about PvP, its nice to have but eh, I can go without it.
There is an update coming in late feburary, the developers cite and additional conflict system is going to be added. (conflict in ffxi = pvp) they may be looking to make real pvp possible.
Grouping doesn't bug me, but I heard it takes forever to find a group?
Not true, coming back to this game the longest i had waited is about 30 min, in which time i farmed and chatted it up on my ls, i got bored and made my own in like 30 seconds.
How fast/slow is leveling?
it's a grind, it takes a long time, unless you are being power leveled or live to play the game. However you feel good as you prgresss and thats whats important to me
Any advice you can give me would be much appreciated.
try it, some peope hate this game, i personally enjoy it, and after i played it i felt like every other game had been spoiled.
I'm surprised this game has a high of rating as it does by the players on this site. The game look pretty nice, but it has alot wrong with it. One thing that just bugs me from a certain standpoint is that you have to pay extra money for each character you have. It's a pretty cheap way of getting people who like to experiment to pay more.
But tiabs is also right about the levelling, it takes a long time to level and it's a really big grind. Granted it might not be as much as say Lineage 2, but it's pretty close. Definately one of the worst for grind out there. Also, you might not be too happy with the selection of MOBs to fight either. I can rememeber having distinct nightmares about thousands of rabbits with only slightly different textures and names haunting me.
So, I wouldn't recommend this game to a new player. There are better options depending on what you're looking for exactly.
I spent around 4 months playing this game pretty hardcore and I had to quit b/c of the absolute necessity to rely on other people to get anywhere and a lot of times there is really not much for you to do while waiting on a PT. Gil is hard to come by also. I started playing the game because I am a pretty big FF fan, but this game has no realy similarities ot any FF games except maybe FFIX slightly. They dont even play the classic chocobo music when you ride one:(
Anyway I cant say it is a bad game because I would not have put so many hours into it. Once you get used to how the game works, its not that bad, but I wouldnt start playing the game now with the new games that are on the horizon.
Lineage II was pretty tough leveling.
I don't really plan on having more than one character if thats the case >.>
What is it about the game that makes it so necessary to have a group after level 10?
Yes Lineage 2 may be one of the few games that is harder to lvl, at least that is what I have read. Anyway, in FFXI there are different levels of mobs, very easy, easy, equal, tough, and very tough (its something like that i forgot). The higher the level, the more xp you get. Up until about lvl 10 you can kill equals and get good xp, but then it gets really hard and you have to find groups or you will move a snails pace. From my experience I got into a good group about 1/3 the time. If you are in a good group, its not hard to lvl and have a good time...just as long as everyone is getting along. There is a lot of bickering among players about the right strategies to use etc. Remember though that often it is hard just to find a group. A lot of times its best to put one together yourself. Wtih xbox360 and the new expansion coming out soon, I would expect a lot of new players, but I still dont recommend it because the expansion isnt going to change the game very much. Its just going to add a couple jobs for the most part. So I wouldnt start this game now if I were you.
I wouldn't say that lvling is slow. It all really depends on ur party set up and how effectively the other players r using their jobs. Of course as u get higher things become quite slow but that is true for all RPGs I believe. To OP: I am in Ramuh server which is concidered one of the cheapest. If u want in on this server,PM me or find me on Xfire.
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Look who's talking biased...
Well you are a bit off. It depends on what you consider raids. A lot of people think BCNM is the same as raids. In which case, there are all kinds of BCNM's and ENM's. Some are solo, some are duo, some are trio, some are a 6 person pt, and some are an 18 man alliance. If you are talking about God pops or something, you can take however many people you want. Only 18 of them can do damge to the mob, but others can support all they want.
Your view is so biased an wrong that it's not even funny. More than half of the stuff you post is completely inacurate.
My guess...? You got to about level 30, and realized how hard it was going to be to get to 75, or accomplish anything really cool. And you decided that you wanted an easier, faster game, so you went to WoW. Now you post here to make yourself feel like you are a better player than anyone in FFXI, when in reality, you couldn't hack it.
All I'm saying is that it is apparent you at least didn't get past level 50. And there is sooooooo much more to this game after that, specifically, once you get to 75.
For the record, I am a 75 RNG and 65 WAR.
Well you are a bit off. It depends on what you consider raids. A lot of people think BCNM is the same as raids. In which case, there are all kinds of BCNM's and ENM's. Some are solo, some are duo, some are trio, some are a 6 person pt, and some are an 18 man alliance. If you are talking about God pops or something, you can take however many people you want. Only 18 of them can do damge to the mob, but others can support all they want.
Your view is so biased an wrong that it's not even funny. More than half of the stuff you post is completely inacurate.
My guess...? You got to about level 30, and realized how hard it was going to be to get to 75, or accomplish anything really cool. And you decided that you wanted an easier, faster game, so you went to WoW. Now you post here to make yourself feel like you are a better player than anyone in FFXI, when in reality, you couldn't hack it.
All I'm saying is that it is apparent you at least didn't get past level 50. And there is sooooooo much more to this game after that, specifically, once you get to 75.
For the record, I am a 75 RNG and 65 WAR.
LOL so basically youre saying that the game sucks until you get to lvl 50 or 75? Yeah, thats just what I want to play a game that is crap for 50 levels just to get to the good part. Ill stick with the games that are fun the whole way through, thx.
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FFXI has it's pluses and minuses. I am currently a lvl 61 BST (beastmaster), 56 WHM (White Mage = healer), 41 NIN (Ninja = tank [don't ask]) and some lower jobs.
To answer your specific questions:
The economy continues to experience massive inflation. The inflation is fairly evenly distributed though, so it's not that huge of a problem, the numbers are just higher. The best of the best gear is inflating a little faster than the rest of the economy, but not much. The second/third tier gear is mostly dirt cheap but not always very serviceable. The price of everything doubles every 3-8 months roughly I'd say. The only thing that doesn't change price is stuff from NPCs which is mostly very low level armor/weapons.
How long it takes to find a group depends a lot on your level. You can change jobs at any time in the more major towns in FFXI. The level cap in FFXI is 75. There is a subjob system where you get skills (and slight stats) from a secondary job which can be up to half the level of your main job (it needs to be leveled separately as a main job though). This means lots of people need to level jobs up to lvl 37 to use as subjobs. Also at lower levels, the jobs are less specialized so more combinations of jobs work ok (this trails off in the 20's).
If you're level is... party formation + travel takes about... and parties last about...
1-9... you solo... N/A
10-37... 10-30 minutes... 1-3 hours (shorter times at lower levels and higher at higher levels, varies a lot by party)
The really low levels seem a bit thin on the ground lately resulting in some oddball parties but they work at low levels especially with powerlevelers (read: outside party healer) which are common in the lower levels (trailing off slowly with level)
38-40... 20-30 minutes... 2-4 hours
By this point you are out of subjob range but sometimes people level their subjob up to level 40 to use in BCNM (boss fight) and other level capped events
41-60... 30-90 minutes... 2-6 hours
You are outside the subjob range so now you are down to people leveling their main or alternate jobs. If you are a damage dealer job, you may start to go days at a time without getting an invite. The times above are for my White Mage which is a pretty popular job to invite.
61+... I have no idea. I hear it gets longer and parties tend to last longer.
The jobs that function well together in a party are pretty rigid.
From 1-40 most parties look like:
tank (WAR (warrior), PLD (paladin), or NIN (ninja))
healer (WHM (white mage), SMN (summoner), or RDM (red mage))
2xdamage dealer (lots of things to choose from)
2xanything (preferably including 1xBLM (black mage))
For 41-70 most parties look like:
tank (PLD or NIN)
healer (WHM, SMN, or RDM)
mana refresh/mob debuff (RDM or BRD (bard))
2xdamage (lots of things to choose from)
1xBLM (occasionally substitute with another melee)
At all time parties consist of players with a maximum level spread of about 2, i.e. a party might have levels 41-43 or 54-56 but not 52-56.
Once you get in a party it's a lot of fun unless you get a complete asshole or moron in your party. This is rare though as the community overall is really good.
Leveling is pretty fast in the beginning and slows down with time. You can expect about 3-4k xp in a good party and 1.5-2.5k in a so-so party once you start killing things. You can see how much xp you'll need per level here: xp chart. To give you another idea, I have 110 days of playtime over about 15 months of playing and my highest job is level 61. It definitely slows down near the top. I do however have a pretty broad amount of leveling across jobs and quite a few crafting levels which contributes a lot to that play time figure.
Overall, I think FFXI is very fun up until about level 45 or so when it starts to slow down. There are quests that need to be done in the 50s which slow leveling down but provide some needed relief. There doesn't seem to be much content in the 60s. The 75s I know all seem to have plenty to do and I hear the content picks up again as you near 75. The game has a lot of missions to do which are reasonably involved and give a lot of great story in the form of cutscenes. Most of the storylines cannot be completed until you are lvl 65+ though. I'm actually qutting the game because of the long looking for group times (even for WHM) compared to my time slots available to play and a recent change to BST (which is mostly a solo job) which makes it less appealing. I had a ton of fun in the lower levels, but I think the game gets weaker as you get higher level (probably with an improvement at lvl 75).
You are calling all people that like FFXI fanbois, yet you know nothing about the game man. You never answered my question about your highes level and job btw, I wonder why that is....
I had a great time while playing the entire game, I never said it sucked before that. I just said there was more content after the first few levels, content that makes the game a lot of fun...content you obviously never got to.
I don't mind people that dislike the game for valid reasons, but you don't even know what you are talking about. I recommend no one take you seriously, as it is clear that you have no substance to your posts.
And this will be the last time I read and/or respond to one of your posts. Its just not worth my time.
I'm also curious about this game.
Since I've tired so damn much on WoW now..
Anyway, always been intressted in this game although I've heard it isn't so similiar to the other FF-games.
I found the game on webhallen ( swedish netshop, great site for games, movies and such alike ) for 99 Sek! That's cheap ^^
But, I'd like to play a demo before I actually buy the game but I can't find anything anywhere, so my other question is:
1. Is there any similiar Final Fantasy site for Ingame movies like WoW has, eg. warcraftmovies.com?
2. How is the RolePlay servers? Does it exist any RolePlay servers as well?
3. Could anyone give me a legend of the most common shorts? RDMG = Red Mage? oO
4. Any similiar page like Thottbot for Final Fantasy as well or like Anarchy Arcanum for Anarchy Online?
Those are some question I'd like answered.
Anyone has any ingame movie or can make one? Would be appriciated
Well, you can't really call it raids in WoW either.
Try raid a town and the server goes down.
A raid in my view is when 300 of the opposing force assults the other force town which 120+ defenders.
For example, doing this in WoW results in lag and a possible server crash, yay Blizzard :P
I don't know if there is a demo.
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I don't know of any movie servers, but sometimes people post links to movies on the forums of major sites. The most popular forums are on allakhazam and killing ifrit.
2.
There are no roleplaying servers. All of the servers are treated exactly the same by SquareEnix. There are no servers with different rules or serving different areas/populations. The main difference between different servers is how much a gil (ffxi monetary unit) is worth in terms of in game items.
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There are quite a few of them. Here are some of the more basic ones:
WHM = white mage (healer)
RDM = red mage (hybrid support; healer, mild nuke, mild sword, mana refresh, buff/debuff)
SMN = summoner (support with pet, often used as a healer using a WHM subjob)
BLM = black mage (nuke)
BRD = bard (support; awesome buffs/debuffs, mana refresh)
WAR = warrior (tank or DD in early levels, DD in later levels)
PLD = paladin (tank via damage reduction [heavy armor] and healing spells)
NIN = ninja (tank [not joking] via evasion/parry and shadows [mirror images])
MNK = monk (DD)
RNG = ranger (ranged DD)
DRG = dragoon (DD with called pet)
SAM = samurai (DD with focus on skillchains)
THF = theif (DD with hate control abilities)
DRK = dark knight (DD with draining abilities and heavy hitting/slow weapons)
BST = beastmaster (solo [recently made more difficult] or DD with pet [called or charmed])
BLU = blue mage (not yet release expansion job which learns monster's abilities)
COR = corsair (not yet release expansion job, pirate with some luck based abilities)
DD = damage dealer
HP = hit points (when these are gone, you're dead [or as ffxi claims, unconcious])
HP = home point (where you go when you die if no one raises you in 1 hour or you want to go sooner)
SUB = subjob, supporting job at half level of main job
MP = mana points, used to cast spells
TP = tactical points, used to do special moves with weapons that form the basis for skill chains
tank = person designate to take damage for the group
hate = amount the monster wants to kill you, monster attacks person with highest hate
aggro = monster starts attacking you
warp = spell or item effect that takes you to your home point
[SBW]M2-3 = sandy/bastok/windy mission chapter 2 part 3
ZM4 = zilart (expansion pack) mission 4
CoP = Chain of Promathia (expansion pack)
CoP2-3 = CoP mission chapter 2 part 3
Genkai/limit break [12345] = quest that must be done every 5 levels starting at level 50 in order to level farther
AF = artifact gear or quest to get artifact gear, special job specific gear that requires fairly involved quests to get that includes a storyline
sky = zone used for xp at high levels and fighting gods (part of Rise of the Zilart), requires completion of most ZMs for access
sea = zone used for fighting gobs (part of CoP), requires completion of CoP quests for access
MPK = monster player kill, ffxi does not allow attacking of other players but some people attempt to kill people with monsters instead. Recently became much harder to pull off due to a recent patch attempting to crack down on this (which also had some negative side effects, mostly for BST)
2 hour = special ability or the use of that ability. Each class gets one ability that can be used once every 2 real life hours that is intended to have a major impact when used. This refers to that ability of it's use
WS = weapon skill
SC = skill chain, a combination of 2 weapon skills of appropriate elements to create an effect causing extra damage and weakness to one or more elements
MB = magic burst, casting magic of the type that resistence has been weakened for via a skill chain for increased effect
There are lots of abbreviations for different zones in FFXI but most are rather obvious. The growth rate of abbreviations is limited by the autotranslate feature which translates phrases but also acts as a tab completion system for common game terms. You often see people on forums use things like {Party} or (Party) or (|Party|) to indicate auto-translated phrases.
4.
The best sites for information about the game are
Thanks for the answers.
Now to next question>
What's a Linkshell? ^^
And what is really a World Pass? From what I understand, you get assinged to a server randomly and you cannot change after that thus people can use World Passes to get you to other servers or?
Oh I see it now ^^ sorry.
So, a World Pass is required to change to another server?
Sounds complicated but I bet it's really easy once you learn it ^^
So what's the name of your server?
My server is Titan and my linkshell's name is renewd hope, we have a forum but I don't remeber the URL, if you want to join us just PM me and I'll get you a Worldpass to Titan.
Roleplay helps a LOT in the overall game experience because it helps you get to meet more people and you'll have something to do with while looking for party, sometimes you'll want to RP innstead of go XPing, is so much fun.
I bought this game several months back, with the Promathia expansion included, for about 30 bucks.
I bought it because I had gone to the official website and downloaded the benchmark program to test my computer by using the graphics of the game itself, which were quite beautiful.
Add to that the low low monthly rate of 11 bucks and I was kind of excited at first.
That came to an end rather quickly. The monthly rate was if you want only 1 toon.
That couldn't prepare me for the horrible-by-comparison 'grainy' graphics of the real game. I thought someone had swapped my monitor with an old snowy color TV from the early 1980s. Couldn't find a single place to improve those settings, which leads me to the next problem with it.
The interface. I suppose I could have learned it just like anyone else that played the game, with help from the players maybe? Which leads me to the next problem...
...playerbase was non-existent. I got limited help from maybe one person. I didn't know how to get around in the goofy world, the keymapping was not at all what I was used to, and no one would assist me in helping me figure out the very basics of the game. I picked a 'mixed' mage, I believe. Sat outside some castle and killed rabbit-mutant looking things for about a week until I got fed up with the game and quit. I did not act like a 'classic' noob, I was not rude to anyone, but no one in the general chat channels displayed any remote interest in assisting me.
A playerbase greatly influences what makes or breaks the game. It truly does.
Having been used to a certain type of MMO 'template' with WoW, EQ2 and SWG, I was completely unprepared for FFXI, so I swallowed that 30 bucks. But if you like the other games I have mentioned, you are going to find a difficult time playing the game.
And...there is one more annoyance I wish to speak of. That 'middle man' extra interface you have to install is a confusing pain in the neck. And I wound up signing up for some extra little game I never even played that I had to pay for.
FFXI could have been greater than it was, for me. But poor playerbase and lack of any real help made sure the game had nothing going for it by the time I tried it out.
Fact is that FFXI is an old game compared to WoW and EQ2. Personally I never had any trouble finding my way through the game or meeting ppl. It was all a matter of being polite and active,not just screaming for help. I believe u need to give the game another try. I can put u in Ramuh server and get u in my linkshell where there r lots of ppl who can halp u at any given time. PM me if u r interested.
They charge you an extra $1 for each extra character up to I think 16. You do not need additional character to play different jobs, but the storage on 1 character is usually insufficient. Most players end up with 1-3 mule characters that are mostly used for storage which makes the monthly fee about the same $15 that most MMOs are charging.
You won't see most of the playerbase in the starting cities. Every character starts in 1 of 3 starting cities. By level 20, everyone has moved to Jeuno which is not one of the starting cities. There really aren't too many reasons for level 20+ characters to go to the starting cities or the areas outside of them. The main reason to go to one of these cities is for crafting. Even by level 10, most of the players have migrated from the starting cities to spending most of their time in Valkurm Dunes to level up in parties which is where you really start meeting and interacting with other people. The player base is getting very top heavy, so most people that are playing regularly are well above these levels. You might see them leveling other jobs there, but otherwise they won't be around in those locations.
The playerbase is pretty helpful, they just aren't going to be in the starting areas. It works much better to meet people on a forum for the game so that you have someone to message in game when you have questions. The general chat channels (/shout and /say) are often ignored, especially /shout. There is very little that is useful on them. Without a linkshell, the game's a pretty lonely existence. With a decent linkshell, there is banter and helpful people almost all the time.
The interface is kind of clunky, with nearly everything menu based and many of the menu names being confusing. Most people end up making macros to control everything. These are documented in the manual that comes with the game, but not very well.
Why not RolePlay AND Xping? ^^
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What is the Middle-man interface your talking about?
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Are the general chat channels /say and /shout?
So if you /say something, you say it to a whole town? oO
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I have ordered this game now, I'm awaiting it to arrive earliest Tomorrow otherwise Tuesday ^^
£7 isn't expensive for the game + two expansions ^^
Why not RolePlay AND Xping? ^^
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What is the Middle-man interface your talking about?
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Are the general chat channels /say and /shout?
So if you /say something, you say it to a whole town? oO
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I have ordered this game now, I'm awaiting it to arrive earliest Tomorrow otherwise Tuesday ^^
£7 isn't expensive for the game + two expansions ^^
Midlle-man interface? Don;t know he's probably talking about Playonline, it's not a pain if you ask me.
Sure, you can try to XP and RP at the same time but it's kinda difficult for me, even more when I'm in a party.
Yes there are say, shout, whisper and so on but not a general channel type like WoW.
If you get it PM me or something if you want to join the RP linkshell
I see.
Hehehe xP Ofcourse ^^
So basically, you speak to a whole town in /say?
Then how am one going to hit on Elvaan or Mithras? xP lol
Yeah I will ^^