There are advantages and disadvantages to this development I think. Personally I prefer a physical copy I can play whenever I want. Unless a game is pure multiplayer I don`t think online actions should be mandatory for installing or playing games.
Positives:
Updates, more social, easier accessibility of small titles, good for competitive gaming, cheap or even free testing of games before you buy.
Negatives:
Not always available, file corruption (The same bug has been in Freedom Force for four years(Bugged cursor), yet it was not there when the game first went on sale on Steam.), being monitored and annoyingly adverted at.
I've found this to be far less of an issue with Nintendo consoles, though there is some there as well. I do miss the days of buying a video game and actually getting the full game, though. Thankfully, old consoles don't magically stop working when new ones come out...and my PC game collection for mid-90s through now is rather impressive as well, even if some are a pain to get running under current versions of Windows.
Skyrim, a game I bought and received the physical discs for, MADE me install Steam in order to play.
Kingdom of Amular, another game I bought and received the physical discs, MADE me install Origins in order to simply play the game.
Earlier this week, I got a hankerin' to try ArcheAge and to revisit some old MMOs I played about in.
Well, Trion now wants to make me install "Glyph" in order to play. No thanks. That means a look at RIFT is also out of the question for me.
Went to install Neverwinter and guess what? Perfect World wants me to install Arc. No way in hell.
So we have (that I know of): Steam (GENERAL) Origins (EA) Glyph (Trion) Arc (Perfect World)
I am sure that almost every single major company is looking to create some form of this for their own games.
All these "extra" software installations are ludicrous, in my opinion. They are used for one reason only: Marketing. They are not needed for DRM.
I refuse to log into Steam as "Online" anymore. The last 2 times I did, I had 3-5 pages of "PLEASE! BUY OUR GAMES!" ads. I refuse to hook up my X-Box 360 to the net for this very reason. I certainly do not wish to support Microsoft with their ad space selling.
Will I miss all these "great gaming deals?" Yuppers. And I won't miss them one little bit, since most new games I have tried pale in comparison to the old games I still have on disc and can play whenever I desire to. No big loss to me.
I saw the argument that when you buy from steam you are renting the game. Physical copies are better because of this.
Got news for you, there is a much higher probability that steam will last a lot longer than your physical copies of the game. Steam is such a prominent application in the PC gaming industry and Valve single handedly took over the PC gaming space almost entirely. Valve going out of business is essentially an impossibility at this moment, reasonably speaking. Them selling out to EA or some other company is also a very unlikely scenario.
With that said, I feel my games are perfectly safe on steam. But let's just say you are correct for a moment and Steam does some how fall and Valve goes out of business. I can still get all the games I purchased through other methods.
I would go over all the positives of steam itself, but most people have already mentioned it all.
Besides that, I do agree that it is slightly irritating that everyone wants to create their own program like steam. However, that itself isn't what gets me. It's loading up steam and then loading up a game that then requires you to load up uplay. It is stupid.
If I purchase the game on steam, why do I also need uplay? Now that to me is an issue.
As it stands now, you are the old people who complain about new technology and how back in your day you did it this way. No one cares. You either adapt and move on, or you fall behind and become that old person who is too bitter to understand.
I saw the argument that when you buy from steam you are renting the game. Physical copies are better because of this.
Got news for you, there is a much higher probability that steam will last a lot longer than your physical copies of the game. Steam is such a prominent application in the PC gaming industry and Valve single handedly took over the PC gaming space almost entirely. Valve going out of business is essentially an impossibility at this moment, reasonably speaking. Them selling out to EA or some other company is also a very unlikely scenario.
With that said, I feel my games are perfectly safe on steam. But let's just say you are correct for a moment and Steam does some how fall and Valve goes out of business. I can still get all the games I purchased through other methods.
I would go over all the positives of steam itself, but most people have already mentioned it all.
Besides that, I do agree that it is slightly irritating that everyone wants to create their own program like steam. However, that itself isn't what gets me. It's loading up steam and then loading up a game that then requires you to load up uplay. It is stupid.
If I purchase the game on steam, why do I also need uplay? Now that to me is an issue.
As it stands now, you are the old people who complain about new technology and how back in your day you did it this way. No one cares. You either adapt and move on, or you fall behind and become that old person who is too bitter to understand.
When you are older you will look back and realise how little you understood at the time ( we all do.. if we live long enough...) .. one so young should not be so bitter because of their ignorance.. it's not your fault you have no hindsight wisdom.
I'm not going to quit gaming for it, but I agree with the OP, it's annoying as hell. I have skipped a couple of games that required a separate installation of some bullshit software-platform-shop-thing-whatever that tries to emulate steam.
It's just, I'm not going to have a dozen copies of steam with different name on my computer, and if your game is on sale only in your own separate steam-a-like, you will not have my money I guarantee you that (on most cases).
What really pisses me off, is that I buy some game on steam, but even when I bought it on steam I STILL have to install some other steam like software to launch the game, so in the end I have layers of these bullshit programs I have to launch for the game to start, which means layers of potential problems too, not to mention some crappy anti-cheat sub-programs that comes with the 2nd layer of steam wannabe marketing platform that you cant even uninstall easily.
Steam and digital distribution was good for PC gaming, but it's snowballing downhill and fast, these steam-a-like launchers are just too many now, and they are like parasites that might be part of a steam purchase too without you even knowing until the purchase and then it's too late.
I saw the argument that when you buy from steam you are renting the game. Physical copies are better because of this.
Got news for you, there is a much higher probability that steam will last a lot longer than your physical copies of the game. Steam is such a prominent application in the PC gaming industry and Valve single handedly took over the PC gaming space almost entirely. Valve going out of business is essentially an impossibility at this moment, reasonably speaking. Them selling out to EA or some other company is also a very unlikely scenario.
With that said, I feel my games are perfectly safe on steam. But let's just say you are correct for a moment and Steam does some how fall and Valve goes out of business. I can still get all the games I purchased through other methods.
I would go over all the positives of steam itself, but most people have already mentioned it all.
Besides that, I do agree that it is slightly irritating that everyone wants to create their own program like steam. However, that itself isn't what gets me. It's loading up steam and then loading up a game that then requires you to load up uplay. It is stupid.
If I purchase the game on steam, why do I also need uplay? Now that to me is an issue.
As it stands now, you are the old people who complain about new technology and how back in your day you did it this way. No one cares. You either adapt and move on, or you fall behind and become that old person who is too bitter to understand.
When you are older you will look back and realise how little you understood at the time ( we all do.. if we live long enough...) .. one so young should not be so bitter because of their ignorance.. it's not your fault you have no hindsight wisdom.
Just so you know age has nothing to do with wisdom. The reason why age used to be connected with wisdom is because the longer a person lived the more knowledge they could have gained. However, in this day and age technology actually allows us to get a whole lot more information than our parents before us. Point being, age no longer really plays a factor. It's now all about who actually decides to learn and who decides to sit on their butt and do nothing.
Also I am 27, it's not like I am a kid rofl.
Not to mention we are talking about technology which old people hardly know anything about xD.
I think the issue is, you assumed I was really young or something. XD
Edit: I should clarify the average kid isn't likely to be as wise as an older person, but that is because they are still in development. I will say though, some kids, are in fact really smart. I would even go as far as to say some are even more wise than many adults. It really depends on the person, not their age.
I saw the argument that when you buy from steam you are renting the game. Physical copies are better because of this.
Got news for you, there is a much higher probability that steam will last a lot longer than your physical copies of the game. Steam is such a prominent application in the PC gaming industry and Valve single handedly took over the PC gaming space almost entirely. Valve going out of business is essentially an impossibility at this moment, reasonably speaking. Them selling out to EA or some other company is also a very unlikely scenario.
With that said, I feel my games are perfectly safe on steam. But let's just say you are correct for a moment and Steam does some how fall and Valve goes out of business. I can still get all the games I purchased through other methods.
I would go over all the positives of steam itself, but most people have already mentioned it all.
Besides that, I do agree that it is slightly irritating that everyone wants to create their own program like steam. However, that itself isn't what gets me. It's loading up steam and then loading up a game that then requires you to load up uplay. It is stupid.
If I purchase the game on steam, why do I also need uplay? Now that to me is an issue.
As it stands now, you are the old people who complain about new technology and how back in your day you did it this way. No one cares. You either adapt and move on, or you fall behind and become that old person who is too bitter to understand.
When you are older you will look back and realise how little you understood at the time ( we all do.. if we live long enough...) .. one so young should not be so bitter because of their ignorance.. it's not your fault you have no hindsight wisdom.
Just so you know age has nothing to do with wisdom. The reason why age used to be connected with wisdom is because the longer a person lived the more knowledge they could have gained. However, in this day and age technology actually allows us to get a whole lot more information than our parents before us. Point being, age no longer really plays a factor. It's now all about who actually decides to learn and who decides to sit on their butt and do nothing.
Also I am 27, it's not like I am a kid rofl.
Not to mention we are talking about technology which old people hardly know anything about xD.
I think the issue is, you assumed I was really young or something. XD
Edit: I should clarify the average kid isn't likely to be as wise as an older person, but that is because they are still in development. I will say though, some kids, are in fact really smart. I would even go as far as to say some are even more wise than many adults. It really depends on the person, not their age.
I have to ask this because I'm really curious. What's old to you?
The reason I ask is because I'm 51 and my level of IT knowledge is nothing short of excellent. I'm a network engineer by trade (actualy a network manager now for a 12k user base) and if you're 27 I've been working with PC's, servers and networks, literally, since you were in nappies.
I saw the argument that when you buy from steam you are renting the game. Physical copies are better because of this.
Got news for you, there is a much higher probability that steam will last a lot longer than your physical copies of the game. Steam is such a prominent application in the PC gaming industry and Valve single handedly took over the PC gaming space almost entirely. Valve going out of business is essentially an impossibility at this moment, reasonably speaking. Them selling out to EA or some other company is also a very unlikely scenario.
With that said, I feel my games are perfectly safe on steam. But let's just say you are correct for a moment and Steam does some how fall and Valve goes out of business. I can still get all the games I purchased through other methods.
I would go over all the positives of steam itself, but most people have already mentioned it all.
Besides that, I do agree that it is slightly irritating that everyone wants to create their own program like steam. However, that itself isn't what gets me. It's loading up steam and then loading up a game that then requires you to load up uplay. It is stupid.
If I purchase the game on steam, why do I also need uplay? Now that to me is an issue.
As it stands now, you are the old people who complain about new technology and how back in your day you did it this way. No one cares. You either adapt and move on, or you fall behind and become that old person who is too bitter to understand.
When you are older you will look back and realise how little you understood at the time ( we all do.. if we live long enough...) .. one so young should not be so bitter because of their ignorance.. it's not your fault you have no hindsight wisdom.
Just so you know age has nothing to do with wisdom. The reason why age used to be connected with wisdom is because the longer a person lived the more knowledge they could have gained. However, in this day and age technology actually allows us to get a whole lot more information than our parents before us. Point being, age no longer really plays a factor. It's now all about who actually decides to learn and who decides to sit on their butt and do nothing.
Also I am 27, it's not like I am a kid rofl.
Not to mention we are talking about technology which old people hardly know anything about xD.
I think the issue is, you assumed I was really young or something. XD
Edit: I should clarify the average kid isn't likely to be as wise as an older person, but that is because they are still in development. I will say though, some kids, are in fact really smart. I would even go as far as to say some are even more wise than many adults. It really depends on the person, not their age.
I have to ask this because I'm really curious. What's old to you?
The reason I ask is because I'm 51 and my level of IT knowledge is nothing short of excellent. I'm a network engineer by trade (actualy a network manager now for a 12k user base) and if you're 27 I've been working with PC's, servers and networks, literally, since you were in nappies.
Again age has nothing to do with knowledge and wisdom. Someone can work in an industry their entire life and still be out done by a person younger than themselves who just started a few years ago. The reason why this is the case is because while you have had more experience in the professional, it was more based on older technology. Meaning a lot of what you have learned in the past no longer holds true. Things change. You could have bad habits due to this.
Someone who is new, may have less experience with older technology, but that isn't much of an issue at all. They are a fresh start, and they have learned to do things for specifically the newer technology. They have not picked up any bad habits from working with older technology.
Being a graduate in Telecommunications, I can tell you there is a lot of old models that are no longer used by most. However, some of the older people stick to it, because that is the way they learned it.
As for old, I would say 50+.
Keep in mind this isn't always the case. I know plenty of older people who keep up with the times. But even so, there will always be a student that surpasses the teacher.
Glyph doesn't do any kind of online DRM check or anything. Neither does the new Battle.net desktop app. These platforms do the following:
1.) Manage your game downloads.
2.) Allow you to manage game preferences and install locations for their products.
3.) Make logging into their games easier. You can actually close either of the applications after you launch your game with zero ill effects.
4.) Provide easy links to receive news and updates about the game/product.
5.) All of the games on Glyph and Battle.net are online only by design. There is no offline mode for these games.
Don't confuse these applications with Origin and Steam which are at their heart a DRM application.
Here's the thing. People don't go to brick and mortar stores to purchase games anymore. This is how you get your games now. I would rather download the Battle.net app than have to keep up with all of those discs anyway
The difference between Arc, Glyph, and Origin from Steam is that Steam was designed with the gamer in mind. It was a method for organizing, delivering, and cloud saving game purchases, all of which contributed to Steam's success. Arc, Glyph, and Origin have no other backing except for their given publishers. They're products made by people who just don't get it, and it shows. If Activision and Trion were really interested in doing the right thing they would have just put their stuff up on steam and allowed players to install from disk separately with an option to register the disk on steam for backup.
Originally posted by Brabbit1987 Just so you know age has nothing to do with wisdom. The reason why age used to be connected with wisdom is because the longer a person lived the more knowledge they could have gained.
Intelligence and Wisdom are two very different things. Intelligence is the knowledge one has. Think of this as "book smarts." Wisdom is how one uses that knowledge. Think of "Street Smarts."
The reason older people are considered more wise is that they have life experiences that young people just do not have. This does not mean that every old person is wise and every young person is not. It is based on life experiences.
In America and other nations that are well off, most young people are very sheltered. They really have no clue about "the world" around them until they move out of the parents' house and are on their own. Wisdom allows a person to view the "big picture" better than a young person, whose world is usually in their own immediate vicinity.
To bring this back OT: What you said earlier about the "life" of Steam is kind of silly. I still have CD's of games 20 years old. I've also lost discs through scratching, loss, or other damage. If Steam goes away, where are the games?
Steam is great for players that play a game 1 or 2 times and then move on. They do not care what will happen in 20 years. They paid their money, had their fun, and move on to the next "big game." This really makes as much sense as the "GameFly" set up.
For players who buy games and play the shit out of them, sometimes 20 years later, Steam is not viable. There is no guarantee that their games will be around in 20 years, like a physical disc. Even 3.5" floppies are viable as those drives are still available, though finding a working 5.25" drive would be a challenge
Steam may be "the latest thing", but so what? Compare what you get to what is lost. Each player will have a different weight to those factors. For me, what I lost (the real possibility of games themselves) is not worth the convenience of not having to put into my drive the disc. Always remember that when convenience is achieved, something vital may be lost.
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Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Skyrim, a game I bought and received the physical discs for, MADE me install Steam in order to play.
Kingdom of Amular, another game I bought and received the physical discs, MADE me install Origins in order to simply play the game.
Earlier this week, I got a hankerin' to try ArcheAge and to revisit some old MMOs I played about in.
Well, Trion now wants to make me install "Glyph" in order to play. No thanks. That means a look at RIFT is also out of the question for me.
Went to install Neverwinter and guess what? Perfect World wants me to install Arc. No way in hell.
So we have (that I know of): Steam (GENERAL) Origins (EA) Glyph (Trion) Arc (Perfect World)
I am sure that almost every single major company is looking to create some form of this for their own games.
All these "extra" software installations are ludicrous, in my opinion. They are used for one reason only: Marketing. They are not needed for DRM.
I refuse to log into Steam as "Online" anymore. The last 2 times I did, I had 3-5 pages of "PLEASE! BUY OUR GAMES!" ads. I refuse to hook up my X-Box 360 to the net for this very reason. I certainly do not wish to support Microsoft with their ad space selling.
Will I miss all these "great gaming deals?" Yuppers. And I won't miss them one little bit, since most new games I have tried pale in comparison to the old games I still have on disc and can play whenever I desire to. No big loss to me.
If this is the future of gaming, count me out.
I buy most of my games on GOG.COM
Also manage to collect many games from past that also don't need internet. Steam is light DRM but it's still to me also EVIL i don't like it but over the years i wanne play some games which i could only play through steam like SKYRIM. I have STEAM(only one btw) but in 7 years only 33 games.
I won't use ORIGIN-UPLAY and all the others you mentioned.
It's already for years going down hill and it's getting worse.
Soon you won't get nothing it's all on CLOUD and you just open your wallet pay 75 euros for game+ DLC you won't get it's on a CLOUD and they DICTATE what you can cannot do.
I belong to small group that boycot almost everything my wallet stay closed and i refuse to bow down to all those dictater companys that want your money but give almost nothing.
If you wanne be thief of your own pocket thats your dicision but not mine.
The Witcher 3 is probably ONLY BIG AAA 100% DRM FREE GAME which i already own.
P.S Street smart is not really wisdom it's most of the time bully behavior and dumb attitudes that looks cool.
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This is why consoles win. Maybe next gen the devs will even release modding tools for their games on them. Then what will PC users say?
Of course, it's all going digital anyways, but console still makes it easier than steam.
They will never allow console players to modify and make their own content. They could have allowed this long ago, most esp with the PS3 / 360 era of consoles which were a big jump in capability. But they won't. The issue I see with console game development is that they have extremely strict control of who is allowed to make what. They don't want fans making content of their own. That's money not going into the company pockets.
While on the PC platform, modding has been a part of the scene for a long time. I know it was going on when I first started playing on the PC in the mid-late 90s. Developers continue to allow and support this, provided modders enforce the use of legit game copies and not make a profit off it.
I just do not see console companies giving gamers that kind of free reign. They could have done it long ago but they won't. And every time I dip into news on Console Gaming and the leading titles, I don't see that changing.
Here's a big "What if example" to make you wonder what the reaction would be between PC & Console Development.
Some guys are trying to make a total conversion of an FPS that turns it into a Star Wars game. Let's be honest here folks... Star Wars FPS is a dead breed of gaming.
Anyways, what would happen if this were to occur with a mod on an existing FPS?
On the PC?
On the Console (if it was possible)?
What I think:
On the Console: It would never be allowed to see the light of day, and I'd imagine a C&D would hit it quickly.
On the PC: It's already happened, several times. Modern Warfare and BF2142 have received total conversions to the Star Wars setting, Galactic Warfare and First Strike, respectively and done well, too. The latter allowing classic Star Wars vehicles. And IMO, they've done better as Star Wars FPS games than the last few officially made Star Wars games.
Do you think the'd allow that kind of freedom for Console gamers? Do you think they'd allow, say, a Star Wars mod for Titanfall on the consoles? Me, I don't think so.
The funny part with mods is that some are done so well that people will buy the actual, base game so they can apply the mod and enjoy it. I myself had done that many times over the years.
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Originally posted by Brabbit1987 Just so you know age has nothing to do with wisdom. The reason why age used to be connected with wisdom is because the longer a person lived the more knowledge they could have gained.
Intelligence and Wisdom are two very different things. Intelligence is the knowledge one has. Think of this as "book smarts." Wisdom is how one uses that knowledge. Think of "Street Smarts."
The reason older people are considered more wise is that they have life experiences that young people just do not have. This does not mean that every old person is wise and every young person is not. It is based on life experiences.
In America and other nations that are well off, most young people are very sheltered. They really have no clue about "the world" around them until they move out of the parents' house and are on their own. Wisdom allows a person to view the "big picture" better than a young person, whose world is usually in their own immediate vicinity.
To bring this back OT: What you said earlier about the "life" of Steam is kind of silly. I still have CD's of games 20 years old. I've also lost discs through scratching, loss, or other damage. If Steam goes away, where are the games?
Steam is great for players that play a game 1 or 2 times and then move on. They do not care what will happen in 20 years. They paid their money, had their fun, and move on to the next "big game." This really makes as much sense as the "GameFly" set up.
For players who buy games and play the shit out of them, sometimes 20 years later, Steam is not viable. There is no guarantee that their games will be around in 20 years, like a physical disc. Even 3.5" floppies are viable as those drives are still available, though finding a working 5.25" drive would be a challenge
Steam may be "the latest thing", but so what? Compare what you get to what is lost. Each player will have a different weight to those factors. For me, what I lost (the real possibility of games themselves) is not worth the convenience of not having to put into my drive the disc. Always remember that when convenience is achieved, something vital may be lost.
While wisdom certainly does have to do with life experiences, it also includes intelligence as a factor because you have to learn from those experiences, and there are plenty of people who do not. The older you are doesn't mean you are likely more to be wise. The more intelligent a person is, the more likely to be wise because they learn from their experiences and are able to critically think of solutions to problems more effectively.
It's almost to the point where I would say intelligence and wisdom are directly connected and even one in the same.
Also I have to point out you are using the wrong term. Intelligence isn't book smarts. That would be knowledge you are thinking of. Intelligence is your ability to learn, reason, and understand.
How much you want to bet I have all my games on steam 20 years down the road? I am serious too.
To even think it would be shut down 20 years down the road is pretty dumb .. because the service is way too successful for that to happen. What if your house got blown up and all your games and electronics got blown to bits? I would still have my games on steam . .and you would have Disc debris.
We can play this game in many ways with what ifs. All that matters is what is .. at this moment. Hypotheticals are useless in this situation as an argument.
You are essentially complaining about something that has not happened yet and is very likely not to happen with in 20 years. It was initially released in 2003. It's already been out 11 years, and it's only grown. If you are going to try and act like it might be gone in 20 years .. show me some evidence to support such a ridiculous notion.
We all know you can't, because that evidence doesn't exist. In fact all evidence is the entire opposite of what you are insinuating. It's an excuse you are creating to benefit your argument. However, as I have shown .. my steam games are immune to explosions and natural disasters. Your physical games are not. XD
So your games could be gone tomorrow and my games could be here many years to come.
Steam is great for players who want to play 20 years down the road.
Physical copies is great for those who want to play the game 1 or 2 times and move on and have the discs collect dust before they are destroyed by a natural disaster.
Downloading through steam is actually faster these days. I downloaded Final Fantasy A Realm Reborn in about 20 minutes, fully updated and ready for me to play.
Ok, but now be honest. What is your internet plan?
Because I can assure you, not everyone can download Final Fantasy in 20 minutes.
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There are advantages and disadvantages to this development I think. Personally I prefer a physical copy I can play whenever I want. Unless a game is pure multiplayer I don`t think online actions should be mandatory for installing or playing games.
Positives:
Updates, more social, easier accessibility of small titles, good for competitive gaming, cheap or even free testing of games before you buy.
Negatives:
Not always available, file corruption (The same bug has been in Freedom Force for four years(Bugged cursor), yet it was not there when the game first went on sale on Steam.), being monitored and annoyingly adverted at.
when you sign up to steam you give them your system .. access all areas. It can be worse?
Amen, Brother!
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I saw the argument that when you buy from steam you are renting the game. Physical copies are better because of this.
Got news for you, there is a much higher probability that steam will last a lot longer than your physical copies of the game. Steam is such a prominent application in the PC gaming industry and Valve single handedly took over the PC gaming space almost entirely. Valve going out of business is essentially an impossibility at this moment, reasonably speaking. Them selling out to EA or some other company is also a very unlikely scenario.
With that said, I feel my games are perfectly safe on steam. But let's just say you are correct for a moment and Steam does some how fall and Valve goes out of business. I can still get all the games I purchased through other methods.
I would go over all the positives of steam itself, but most people have already mentioned it all.
Besides that, I do agree that it is slightly irritating that everyone wants to create their own program like steam. However, that itself isn't what gets me. It's loading up steam and then loading up a game that then requires you to load up uplay. It is stupid.
If I purchase the game on steam, why do I also need uplay? Now that to me is an issue.
As it stands now, you are the old people who complain about new technology and how back in your day you did it this way. No one cares. You either adapt and move on, or you fall behind and become that old person who is too bitter to understand.
When you are older you will look back and realise how little you understood at the time ( we all do.. if we live long enough...) .. one so young should not be so bitter because of their ignorance.. it's not your fault you have no hindsight wisdom.
I'm not going to quit gaming for it, but I agree with the OP, it's annoying as hell. I have skipped a couple of games that required a separate installation of some bullshit software-platform-shop-thing-whatever that tries to emulate steam.
It's just, I'm not going to have a dozen copies of steam with different name on my computer, and if your game is on sale only in your own separate steam-a-like, you will not have my money I guarantee you that (on most cases).
What really pisses me off, is that I buy some game on steam, but even when I bought it on steam I STILL have to install some other steam like software to launch the game, so in the end I have layers of these bullshit programs I have to launch for the game to start, which means layers of potential problems too, not to mention some crappy anti-cheat sub-programs that comes with the 2nd layer of steam wannabe marketing platform that you cant even uninstall easily.
Steam and digital distribution was good for PC gaming, but it's snowballing downhill and fast, these steam-a-like launchers are just too many now, and they are like parasites that might be part of a steam purchase too without you even knowing until the purchase and then it's too late.
Just so you know age has nothing to do with wisdom. The reason why age used to be connected with wisdom is because the longer a person lived the more knowledge they could have gained. However, in this day and age technology actually allows us to get a whole lot more information than our parents before us. Point being, age no longer really plays a factor. It's now all about who actually decides to learn and who decides to sit on their butt and do nothing.
Also I am 27, it's not like I am a kid rofl.
Not to mention we are talking about technology which old people hardly know anything about xD.
I think the issue is, you assumed I was really young or something. XD
Edit: I should clarify the average kid isn't likely to be as wise as an older person, but that is because they are still in development. I will say though, some kids, are in fact really smart. I would even go as far as to say some are even more wise than many adults. It really depends on the person, not their age.
I have to ask this because I'm really curious. What's old to you?
The reason I ask is because I'm 51 and my level of IT knowledge is nothing short of excellent. I'm a network engineer by trade (actualy a network manager now for a 12k user base) and if you're 27 I've been working with PC's, servers and networks, literally, since you were in nappies.
Again age has nothing to do with knowledge and wisdom. Someone can work in an industry their entire life and still be out done by a person younger than themselves who just started a few years ago. The reason why this is the case is because while you have had more experience in the professional, it was more based on older technology. Meaning a lot of what you have learned in the past no longer holds true. Things change. You could have bad habits due to this.
Someone who is new, may have less experience with older technology, but that isn't much of an issue at all. They are a fresh start, and they have learned to do things for specifically the newer technology. They have not picked up any bad habits from working with older technology.
Being a graduate in Telecommunications, I can tell you there is a lot of old models that are no longer used by most. However, some of the older people stick to it, because that is the way they learned it.
As for old, I would say 50+.
Keep in mind this isn't always the case. I know plenty of older people who keep up with the times. But even so, there will always be a student that surpasses the teacher.
Glyph doesn't do any kind of online DRM check or anything. Neither does the new Battle.net desktop app. These platforms do the following:
1.) Manage your game downloads.
2.) Allow you to manage game preferences and install locations for their products.
3.) Make logging into their games easier. You can actually close either of the applications after you launch your game with zero ill effects.
4.) Provide easy links to receive news and updates about the game/product.
5.) All of the games on Glyph and Battle.net are online only by design. There is no offline mode for these games.
Don't confuse these applications with Origin and Steam which are at their heart a DRM application.
Here's the thing. People don't go to brick and mortar stores to purchase games anymore. This is how you get your games now. I would rather download the Battle.net app than have to keep up with all of those discs anyway
Not to derail the thread, but I had address this:
Intelligence and Wisdom are two very different things. Intelligence is the knowledge one has. Think of this as "book smarts." Wisdom is how one uses that knowledge. Think of "Street Smarts."The reason older people are considered more wise is that they have life experiences that young people just do not have. This does not mean that every old person is wise and every young person is not. It is based on life experiences.
In America and other nations that are well off, most young people are very sheltered. They really have no clue about "the world" around them until they move out of the parents' house and are on their own. Wisdom allows a person to view the "big picture" better than a young person, whose world is usually in their own immediate vicinity.
To bring this back OT:
What you said earlier about the "life" of Steam is kind of silly. I still have CD's of games 20 years old. I've also lost discs through scratching, loss, or other damage. If Steam goes away, where are the games?
Steam is great for players that play a game 1 or 2 times and then move on. They do not care what will happen in 20 years. They paid their money, had their fun, and move on to the next "big game." This really makes as much sense as the "GameFly" set up.
For players who buy games and play the shit out of them, sometimes 20 years later, Steam is not viable. There is no guarantee that their games will be around in 20 years, like a physical disc. Even 3.5" floppies are viable as those drives are still available, though finding a working 5.25" drive would be a challenge
Steam may be "the latest thing", but so what? Compare what you get to what is lost. Each player will have a different weight to those factors. For me, what I lost (the real possibility of games themselves) is not worth the convenience of not having to put into my drive the disc. Always remember that when convenience is achieved, something vital may be lost.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
I buy most of my games on GOG.COM
Also manage to collect many games from past that also don't need internet.
Steam is light DRM but it's still to me also EVIL i don't like it but over the years i wanne play some games which i could only play through steam like SKYRIM.
I have STEAM(only one btw) but in 7 years only 33 games.
I won't use ORIGIN-UPLAY and all the others you mentioned.
It's already for years going down hill and it's getting worse.
Soon you won't get nothing it's all on CLOUD and you just open your wallet pay 75 euros for game+ DLC you won't get it's on a CLOUD and they DICTATE what you can cannot do.
I belong to small group that boycot almost everything my wallet stay closed and i refuse to bow down to all those dictater companys that want your money but give almost nothing.
If you wanne be thief of your own pocket thats your dicision but not mine.
The Witcher 3 is probably ONLY BIG AAA 100% DRM FREE GAME which i already own.
P.S Street smart is not really wisdom it's most of the time bully behavior and dumb attitudes that looks cool.
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They will never allow console players to modify and make their own content. They could have allowed this long ago, most esp with the PS3 / 360 era of consoles which were a big jump in capability. But they won't. The issue I see with console game development is that they have extremely strict control of who is allowed to make what. They don't want fans making content of their own. That's money not going into the company pockets.
While on the PC platform, modding has been a part of the scene for a long time. I know it was going on when I first started playing on the PC in the mid-late 90s. Developers continue to allow and support this, provided modders enforce the use of legit game copies and not make a profit off it.
I just do not see console companies giving gamers that kind of free reign. They could have done it long ago but they won't. And every time I dip into news on Console Gaming and the leading titles, I don't see that changing.
Here's a big "What if example" to make you wonder what the reaction would be between PC & Console Development.
Some guys are trying to make a total conversion of an FPS that turns it into a Star Wars game. Let's be honest here folks... Star Wars FPS is a dead breed of gaming.
Anyways, what would happen if this were to occur with a mod on an existing FPS?
On the PC?
On the Console (if it was possible)?
What I think:
On the Console: It would never be allowed to see the light of day, and I'd imagine a C&D would hit it quickly.
On the PC: It's already happened, several times. Modern Warfare and BF2142 have received total conversions to the Star Wars setting, Galactic Warfare and First Strike, respectively and done well, too. The latter allowing classic Star Wars vehicles. And IMO, they've done better as Star Wars FPS games than the last few officially made Star Wars games.
Do you think the'd allow that kind of freedom for Console gamers? Do you think they'd allow, say, a Star Wars mod for Titanfall on the consoles? Me, I don't think so.
The funny part with mods is that some are done so well that people will buy the actual, base game so they can apply the mod and enjoy it. I myself had done that many times over the years.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
I disagree.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wisdom
While wisdom certainly does have to do with life experiences, it also includes intelligence as a factor because you have to learn from those experiences, and there are plenty of people who do not. The older you are doesn't mean you are likely more to be wise. The more intelligent a person is, the more likely to be wise because they learn from their experiences and are able to critically think of solutions to problems more effectively.
It's almost to the point where I would say intelligence and wisdom are directly connected and even one in the same.
Also I have to point out you are using the wrong term. Intelligence isn't book smarts. That would be knowledge you are thinking of. Intelligence is your ability to learn, reason, and understand.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intelligence
OT:
How much you want to bet I have all my games on steam 20 years down the road? I am serious too.
To even think it would be shut down 20 years down the road is pretty dumb .. because the service is way too successful for that to happen. What if your house got blown up and all your games and electronics got blown to bits? I would still have my games on steam . .and you would have Disc debris.
We can play this game in many ways with what ifs. All that matters is what is .. at this moment. Hypotheticals are useless in this situation as an argument.
You are essentially complaining about something that has not happened yet and is very likely not to happen with in 20 years. It was initially released in 2003. It's already been out 11 years, and it's only grown. If you are going to try and act like it might be gone in 20 years .. show me some evidence to support such a ridiculous notion.
We all know you can't, because that evidence doesn't exist. In fact all evidence is the entire opposite of what you are insinuating. It's an excuse you are creating to benefit your argument. However, as I have shown .. my steam games are immune to explosions and natural disasters. Your physical games are not. XD
So your games could be gone tomorrow and my games could be here many years to come.
Steam is great for players who want to play 20 years down the road.
Physical copies is great for those who want to play the game 1 or 2 times and move on and have the discs collect dust before they are destroyed by a natural disaster.
Yes .. that is how ridiculous your argument is.
Ok, but now be honest. What is your internet plan?
Because I can assure you, not everyone can download Final Fantasy in 20 minutes.
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