Lotro - great atmosphere, nice ideas but endless grinding of the same stuff and tedious virtues etc. could be renamed in wolves and wargs online, they are everywhere for every level.
Lotro lives or dies by the guild you are in, and if you have friends to play with. The fact is, it's the community that makes it great as well as the art design and the IP that it is based on. But you are right, that it is quite grindy and can be tedious. I loved my time with Lotro enough to get a lifetime subscription, but when members of my guild started spending most of their time playing Star Wars: TOR, the tediousness of the game became quite unbearable. Of the quality of gaming communities, I'd say Lotro ranks #2 (at least while I was playing it), with CoH as #1. If it wasn't for the community, I might agree with you about Lotro.
SWG had it's issues for sure but no other MMO has matched what it done even after all these years since it was released. It had the best player housing and cities to date especially when you could decorate it however you liked and even set up shops in them.
The crafting was the best yet with better products made when the resources were of higher quality and using better equipment.
You could be any class you wanted with the huge class system it had which I know had a lot of balancing issues but it was still great fun and you didn't even have to be a combat class either as many took up crafting profs or just became entertainers.
With the JTL expansion you had space which was not on rails and with the Shipwright profession you could really make some truly awesome ship parts which made space pvp great fun too.
Another part of SWG I loved and have not experienced in any other MMO was it's PvP which would last hours upon hours which would take you all over the planet and then to the next while you took over enemy bases etc, fighting in their towns and cities which was so much fun.
Even with the bugs SWG had, the game was still fun until SOE ruined it but I would rather play it today than any other MMO today and a gaming dream come true would be SWG 2 and not that turd known as SWTOR which is a travesty.
Even in its WORST state it was still better than anything that has come down the pipe in recent years.
My list-
WAR
Darkfall
SWTOR
ESO
STO
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT Playing: Skyrim Following: The Repopulation I want a Virtual World, not just a Game. ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
SWG on this list made me LOL. That is flamebait, especially putting it first. Really, with all the bad games that have launched? Sure, SWG had some bugs, but every game does, nothing launches very smoothly. It was still a fun game, with lots of things that people liked that no game has offered since. Non-com classes, good crafting, player cities/houses non-instanced, non-node harvesting, etc. It was a pretty awesome game til the CU then just got worse from there. It still sits as the only game that got close to doing it right on my list of games (pre-cu/pre-village) even with all the bugs and anything else wrong with the game.
I was dissapointed with Vanguard because it was a Quest hub wow clone; which is sad considering if you took away that quest hub bullshit, the game world was amazing all by itself. To me it would be like setting up a mcdonalds hamburger tent inside an amazing restaurant.
Vanguard did have some amazing features. It could have been a great game but it never recovered from a failed launch.
Originally posted by mgilbrtsn Lol. You can expect a lively debate just mentioning SWG, much less saying it was a dissapointment.
LOL yup, the moment I clicked that article and saw SWG on there I knew there'd be some rage heading this way.
The vast majority of people may have found it a flawed game, but those who liked it, REALLY liked it.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
SWG on this list made me LOL. That is flamebait, especially putting it first. Really, with all the bad games that have launched? Sure, SWG had some bugs, but every game does, nothing launches very smoothly. It was still a fun game, with lots of things that people liked that no game has offered since. Non-com classes, good crafting, player cities/houses non-instanced, non-node harvesting, etc. It was a pretty awesome game til the CU then just got worse from there. It still sits as the only game that got close to doing it right on my list of games (pre-cu/pre-village) even with all the bugs and anything else wrong with the game.
This, times 1000. Troll article.
I don't think it's a secret that I was a huge SWG fan, I still don't see how this is a troll article, plenty of people were disappointed with SWG and in every incarnation the game was available in, not just the NGE..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
SWG on this list made me LOL. That is flamebait, especially putting it first. Really, with all the bad games that have launched? Sure, SWG had some bugs, but every game does, nothing launches very smoothly. It was still a fun game, with lots of things that people liked that no game has offered since. Non-com classes, good crafting, player cities/houses non-instanced, non-node harvesting, etc. It was a pretty awesome game til the CU then just got worse from there. It still sits as the only game that got close to doing it right on my list of games (pre-cu/pre-village) even with all the bugs and anything else wrong with the game.
This, times 1000. Troll article.
I don't think it's a secret that I was a huge SWG fan, I still don't see how this is a troll article, plenty of people were disappointed with SWG and in every incarnation the game was available in, not just the NGE..
Most other SWG fans seem completely incapable of comprehending that not everyone likes the same things for some reason.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
I would not agree with SWG being on the list .. it was perfect for what it was. Yes there were bugs and issues ... and yes it lacked a bit of direction .. but really what mmo at that time knew what is known now about the industry. I think if SWG were released today .. with the right team and the right direction .. you may see something truly the best out there.
Something also to remember is that SWG was a sandbox ... not a theme park (which it became after NGE)
I think the potential of the game was never fully tapped and for that I blame SOE.
The reason SWG was a disappointment for so many wasn't necessarily the bugs.....and calling it a disapointment also doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad game. SWG was a dissapointment for so many, because so many hoped of playing a star wars MMO where they could live out their star wars fantasies....SWG at launch could barley have even been called a star wars game. Imagine mr star wars geek getting super excited to finally be a luke skywalker, darth vader, the emporer, or han solo....boots up SWG....and can be a crafter, moister farmer, beast master (beast master?????)....
Admittedly I did not even read past the SWG paragraph but considering that I see SWG as one of the greatest MMO's of all time I think that your views and opinions in this matter are greatly skewed.
I have found in my lifetime, that the beauty of hating stupid people is, that it crosses all racial boundaries.
I would not agree with SWG being on the list .. it was perfect for what it was. Yes there were bugs and issues ... and yes it lacked a bit of direction .. but really what mmo at that time knew what is known now about the industry. I think if SWG were released today .. with the right team and the right direction .. you may see something truly the best out there.
Something also to remember is that SWG was a sandbox ... not a theme park (which it became after NGE)
I think the potential of the game was never fully tapped and for that I blame SOE.
Yeppers. $OE was the reason SWG ultimately failed. $OE was so busy working on the next "cash grab" (expansions, Jedi class), that it never bothered to address the problems/bugs in the core game. Even with the problems, SWG did extremely well given that the internet was not so easily available to gamers when it launched in 2003. $OE found it easier to revamp the game (CU) than fix it, then decided it would be more profitable to chase the WoW players with the NGE, but those players never materialized. All $OE accomplished was alienating the loyal players SWG had, especially with the NGE.
There is little doubt that SWG made the list to motivate discussion given there have been many more serious MMO disappointments/failures since WoW launched. In fact, it would be harder to list five MMORPG's that have been truly successful since 2005 (without having to go F2P).
The best aspect of Vanguard was the Sky, this beautyfull, volumetric clouded, lightened Sky.
No other MMOrpg i know has such a Sky and if you ask why the Sky is an urgent Feature its bcs it has the Task to enhance the mood of the game, the mood of the Player, break up the environmental/ambience monotony and that was among some nice idead the best part of Vanguard.
That is another Point why SWTOR sucks so bad, its allways static, never changing daytime and mood of ultimate monotony.
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
EVE online has a lot of great features, but ultimately I was disappointed in the bad ship designs that are not varied or customizable enough. You end up fighting and running the same ugly ships over and over. That and a lack of a human avatar made the game feel like a strategy game more than an MMORPG to me.
Guild Wars 2 disappointed me with thinly veiled Theme Park mechanics and world. Some of the Asian silliness didn't help it in my book, but it was mainly the limited world and the "Run in circles at all times" combat that killed it for me.
RIFT was boring in a can, despite having been advertised as dynamic. When I had reached the last land on day 3 I realized the game would be done for quick for my group.
SWTOR was something I followed for a long time before launch, and even bought one of those $150 collector's editions. The game was ultimately so bad that I ended up hating it for the total fail that it is.
EQNext was announced at SOE Live 2013, and at that point it became clear that it was going to suck, as a minecraft hybrid with Disney Graphics and console combat.
MMORPG players are often like Hobbits: They don't like Adventures
Originally posted by stvnkrs10 Originally posted by ArclanI was dissapointed with Vanguard because it was a Quest hub wow clone; which is sad considering if you took away that quest hub bullshit, the game world was amazing all by itself. To me it would be like setting up a mcdonalds hamburger tent inside an amazing restaurant.
Vanguard did have some amazing features. It could have been a great game but it never recovered from a failed launch.
From pre-launch til months out, 99% of my playtime was perfect. 1% of the time I had framerate issues, or fell through the world, or crashed due to memory leak. I quit because of WoW-like gameplay. But woW players were playing WoW and lacked the cpu horsepower to play VG.
Originally posted by Distopia I don't think it's a secret that I was a huge SWG fan, I still don't see how this is a troll article, plenty of people were disappointed with SWG and in every incarnation the game was available in, not just the NGE..
If there were SWG haters, they were scant and spoke softly; I only ever heard praise spoken of SWG (until CU/NGE).
Originally posted by Bannuk ...(Apple) products suck. They only suck because you can't afford them, and truth be said, I can't either with 3 girls, two of which are teenagers and the third is about to be.
YMMV, but I believed the hype and switched to iPhone (5s) from android last year. Big mistake; I curse my iPhone frequently and will dump this phone the minute my contract concludes.
1. Iphone UI (texting, dialing, etc) is disgustingly plain compared to android 2. The camera takes comparitively crappy pictures 3. It's proprietary as shit; pain in the ass getting stuff on and off the iphone. My Android in contrast was like a portable computer. 4. Maps and navigation are terrible; I never got lost by a navigation system prior to getting an iphone 5. The UI naviation on built-in and purchased apps are just the worst. To navigate you have to click a tiny link on the top of one page, and then on subsequent pages click another tiny link at the bottom of the page. Links don't stand out, either, so you really have to look hard at your screen. I've no doubt the majority of smart-phone related driving accidents are caused by the iPhone and not the android.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon. In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
I was really surprised to see SWG on someone's list. I never played it because i was into Anrachy online big time back then. DCUO was a huge letdown for me. It was a console mmo and still plays badly on pc. Eve online was just and still is a griefers game.
But it had more features at release date (or shortly after) than ANY MMO I had the chance to try. ANY.
Player housing, player built/controlled cities, sandbox player-controlled world and economy, the most amazing resource gathering/crafting system ever (no other MMO I know of had come any close, ever).
It's probably the less disappointing title I could think of.
World of Warcraft, for me..... is the biggest disappointment.
The game started so awesome, became so popular, and over the years Blizzard took in billions. After all that money, look at what the game is today.
Money and greed killed the Magic.
I'll agree with that.
When I bought WoW... I was coming from WC3. I was expecting a lot of open-world PvP. I was expecting raids on enemy towns, griefing, camping... PvP. And there was some at first. However, within the first year, the community learned that PvP was not what WoW was about. Open-world PvP was in fact a complete waste of time.
I don't think WoW ever lived up to the promise of WC3. Or even its opening cinematics. When you roll a tauren warrior, you think you're going to be fighting for Mulgore... but no, you're just another hired sword fighting for purples.
1.) dragons prophet: launched as an incomplete and at times buggy game. while it got alot of dev attention over seas the usa version was basically letft to float.
2.) the sims online: an ip with huge potentional basically rellegated to a habbo hotel style chat room
3.) tor: for all the improvements the launch was abysmal and once the single player campagain was exhausted you just sat there bored.
4.) face of man kind: the concept was great, the execution was seriously awful
My biggest MMO disappointment is by far, bar none - Guild Wars 2. The first one was my mmo home for years, so naturally my excitement was high for it. It came out - I loved it. Slowly, the seams of its illusions became apparent, realizing it was a pretty shallow. I had hoped they'd expand on their strong foundation and to my dismay, they hadn't. And they won't. It started out strong and then all of their promises went out the window.
Second to that is the f2p transition of LoTRO. In between Gw and Gw2, it was my home. I roleplayed, I raided, I experienced the MMO to its fullest. Then the price walls came up, the store advertisements. It was like watching the girl next door becoming a stripper.
Destiny is my current disappointment. I was really hoping for a good space exploration game with a nuanced story and good coop. Instead I got a game that's a shallow impression of existing IPs. Twilight seriously has more character depth. Warframe has more mission variety. Hell, I could probably find the crappiest f2p cesspool listed here and it would at least have player trading.
I want to say I'm disappointed in Wildstar, but I don't expect much after GW2. I'm that jaded.
ESO was another huge disappointment, hoping to see a TES game with no borders. Didn't happen. Instead we're given some race restricted grind fest. At least it has a story. I'd actually consider buying it now, since they made some changes. Time will tell.
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Lotro lives or dies by the guild you are in, and if you have friends to play with. The fact is, it's the community that makes it great as well as the art design and the IP that it is based on. But you are right, that it is quite grindy and can be tedious. I loved my time with Lotro enough to get a lifetime subscription, but when members of my guild started spending most of their time playing Star Wars: TOR, the tediousness of the game became quite unbearable. Of the quality of gaming communities, I'd say Lotro ranks #2 (at least while I was playing it), with CoH as #1. If it wasn't for the community, I might agree with you about Lotro.
SWG had it's issues for sure but no other MMO has matched what it done even after all these years since it was released. It had the best player housing and cities to date especially when you could decorate it however you liked and even set up shops in them.
The crafting was the best yet with better products made when the resources were of higher quality and using better equipment.
You could be any class you wanted with the huge class system it had which I know had a lot of balancing issues but it was still great fun and you didn't even have to be a combat class either as many took up crafting profs or just became entertainers.
With the JTL expansion you had space which was not on rails and with the Shipwright profession you could really make some truly awesome ship parts which made space pvp great fun too.
Another part of SWG I loved and have not experienced in any other MMO was it's PvP which would last hours upon hours which would take you all over the planet and then to the next while you took over enemy bases etc, fighting in their towns and cities which was so much fun.
Even with the bugs SWG had, the game was still fun until SOE ruined it but I would rather play it today than any other MMO today and a gaming dream come true would be SWG 2 and not that turd known as SWTOR which is a travesty.
Final Fantasy being bad wasn't a surprise.
A good Final Fantasy (or any J(rp)G for the matter) would be.
SWG? Really?
Even in its WORST state it was still better than anything that has come down the pipe in recent years.
My list-
WAR
Darkfall
SWTOR
ESO
STO
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR
Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT
Playing: Skyrim
Following: The Repopulation
I want a Virtual World, not just a Game.
ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
Because there are people who enjoy the game
wow i know right some people disagree with you
This, times 1000. Troll article.
Vanguard did have some amazing features. It could have been a great game but it never recovered from a failed launch.
LOL yup, the moment I clicked that article and saw SWG on there I knew there'd be some rage heading this way.
The vast majority of people may have found it a flawed game, but those who liked it, REALLY liked it.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/
I don't think it's a secret that I was a huge SWG fan, I still don't see how this is a troll article, plenty of people were disappointed with SWG and in every incarnation the game was available in, not just the NGE..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Most other SWG fans seem completely incapable of comprehending that not everyone likes the same things for some reason.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/
The reason SWG was a disappointment for so many wasn't necessarily the bugs.....and calling it a disapointment also doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad game. SWG was a dissapointment for so many, because so many hoped of playing a star wars MMO where they could live out their star wars fantasies....SWG at launch could barley have even been called a star wars game. Imagine mr star wars geek getting super excited to finally be a luke skywalker, darth vader, the emporer, or han solo....boots up SWG....and can be a crafter, moister farmer, beast master (beast master?????)....
I have found in my lifetime, that the beauty of hating stupid people is, that it crosses all racial boundaries.
Yeppers. $OE was the reason SWG ultimately failed. $OE was so busy working on the next "cash grab" (expansions, Jedi class), that it never bothered to address the problems/bugs in the core game. Even with the problems, SWG did extremely well given that the internet was not so easily available to gamers when it launched in 2003. $OE found it easier to revamp the game (CU) than fix it, then decided it would be more profitable to chase the WoW players with the NGE, but those players never materialized. All $OE accomplished was alienating the loyal players SWG had, especially with the NGE.
There is little doubt that SWG made the list to motivate discussion given there have been many more serious MMO disappointments/failures since WoW launched. In fact, it would be harder to list five MMORPG's that have been truly successful since 2005 (without having to go F2P).
The best aspect of Vanguard was the Sky, this beautyfull, volumetric clouded, lightened Sky.
No other MMOrpg i know has such a Sky and if you ask why the Sky is an urgent Feature its bcs it has the Task to enhance the mood of the game, the mood of the Player, break up the environmental/ambience monotony and that was among some nice idead the best part of Vanguard.
That is another Point why SWTOR sucks so bad, its allways static, never changing daytime and mood of ultimate monotony.
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
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EVE online has a lot of great features, but ultimately I was disappointed in the bad ship designs that are not varied or customizable enough. You end up fighting and running the same ugly ships over and over. That and a lack of a human avatar made the game feel like a strategy game more than an MMORPG to me.
Guild Wars 2 disappointed me with thinly veiled Theme Park mechanics and world. Some of the Asian silliness didn't help it in my book, but it was mainly the limited world and the "Run in circles at all times" combat that killed it for me.
RIFT was boring in a can, despite having been advertised as dynamic. When I had reached the last land on day 3 I realized the game would be done for quick for my group.
SWTOR was something I followed for a long time before launch, and even bought one of those $150 collector's editions. The game was ultimately so bad that I ended up hating it for the total fail that it is.
EQNext was announced at SOE Live 2013, and at that point it became clear that it was going to suck, as a minecraft hybrid with Disney Graphics and console combat.
From pre-launch til months out, 99% of my playtime was perfect. 1% of the time I had framerate issues, or fell through the world, or crashed due to memory leak. I quit because of WoW-like gameplay. But woW players were playing WoW and lacked the cpu horsepower to play VG.
If there were SWG haters, they were scant and spoke softly; I only ever heard praise spoken of SWG (until CU/NGE).
YMMV, but I believed the hype and switched to iPhone (5s) from android last year. Big mistake; I curse my iPhone frequently and will dump this phone the minute my contract concludes.
1. Iphone UI (texting, dialing, etc) is disgustingly plain compared to android
2. The camera takes comparitively crappy pictures
3. It's proprietary as shit; pain in the ass getting stuff on and off the iphone. My Android in contrast was like a portable computer.
4. Maps and navigation are terrible; I never got lost by a navigation system prior to getting an iphone
5. The UI naviation on built-in and purchased apps are just the worst. To navigate you have to click a tiny link on the top of one page, and then on subsequent pages click another tiny link at the bottom of the page. Links don't stand out, either, so you really have to look hard at your screen. I've no doubt the majority of smart-phone related driving accidents are caused by the iPhone and not the android.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
There's no doubt SWG was buggy.
But it had more features at release date (or shortly after) than ANY MMO I had the chance to try. ANY.
Player housing, player built/controlled cities, sandbox player-controlled world and economy, the most amazing resource gathering/crafting system ever (no other MMO I know of had come any close, ever).
It's probably the less disappointing title I could think of.
World of Warcraft, for me..... is the biggest disappointment.
The game started so awesome, became so popular, and over the years Blizzard took in billions. After all that money, look at what the game is today.
Money and greed killed the Magic.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I'll agree with that.
When I bought WoW... I was coming from WC3. I was expecting a lot of open-world PvP. I was expecting raids on enemy towns, griefing, camping... PvP. And there was some at first. However, within the first year, the community learned that PvP was not what WoW was about. Open-world PvP was in fact a complete waste of time.
I don't think WoW ever lived up to the promise of WC3. Or even its opening cinematics. When you roll a tauren warrior, you think you're going to be fighting for Mulgore... but no, you're just another hired sword fighting for purples.
Personally I don't think Wildstar is a big name mmo from a big company. The ones on that list are.
i wasn't going to but well here i go......
1.) dragons prophet: launched as an incomplete and at times buggy game. while it got alot of dev attention over seas the usa version was basically letft to float.
2.) the sims online: an ip with huge potentional basically rellegated to a habbo hotel style chat room
3.) tor: for all the improvements the launch was abysmal and once the single player campagain was exhausted you just sat there bored.
4.) face of man kind: the concept was great, the execution was seriously awful
5.) earthrise: just god awful
so say we all
Raymondo
DCUO.
Just didn't live up to the hype. But they've found other ways to make it profitable at least.
My biggest MMO disappointment is by far, bar none - Guild Wars 2. The first one was my mmo home for years, so naturally my excitement was high for it. It came out - I loved it. Slowly, the seams of its illusions became apparent, realizing it was a pretty shallow. I had hoped they'd expand on their strong foundation and to my dismay, they hadn't. And they won't. It started out strong and then all of their promises went out the window.
Second to that is the f2p transition of LoTRO. In between Gw and Gw2, it was my home. I roleplayed, I raided, I experienced the MMO to its fullest. Then the price walls came up, the store advertisements. It was like watching the girl next door becoming a stripper.
Destiny is my current disappointment. I was really hoping for a good space exploration game with a nuanced story and good coop. Instead I got a game that's a shallow impression of existing IPs. Twilight seriously has more character depth. Warframe has more mission variety. Hell, I could probably find the crappiest f2p cesspool listed here and it would at least have player trading.
I want to say I'm disappointed in Wildstar, but I don't expect much after GW2. I'm that jaded.
ESO was another huge disappointment, hoping to see a TES game with no borders. Didn't happen. Instead we're given some race restricted grind fest. At least it has a story. I'd actually consider buying it now, since they made some changes. Time will tell.