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Should the industry remake old MMOs? LOTRO 2.0?
SuperNick
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These days new MMOs are struggling to enter the industry. They get hyped up, they get their huge budgets and publishers, they launch, they fizzle or disappear in some cases.
Honestly it has been this way for a LONG time now. Every year it's the same story and the same disappointment ultimately.
ESO for me is the only one that stands out in recent years and that's more because I feel it has the potential to be great as opposed to its current state. (They are making some really solid changes it would seem.)
To some extent SWTOR has done well with its evolution but my personal gripe still stands: that Hero engine is terrible.
Which leads to my question: Instead of trying to think up "the next thing" in a genre that has tried it all, why not go back to the classics and build on them? Incorporate modern concepts, build new worlds and include new classes.. all that good stuff.
As much as I might love a game, dated graphics and engines ultimately turn me away eventually. This is especially true for WoW - I just can't handle that tired engine anymore.
Games i've absolutely loved in the past but could not see myself playing now:
- Asheron's Call
- LOTRO
- WoW
- Lineage 2
- FFXI
- SWG
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Maybe a remake of SWG or Vanguard, but this time using a good engine.
I also love my memories of playing Anarchy Online and Guild Wars 1, but just a remake of those would feel too limited now. Even Vanguard and SWG maybe.
Vanguard would be cool.
I guess that's why I say improve upon - simply recreating them wouldn't be enough. Just as Call of Duty 700 has evolved from the first one years ago, so would LOTRO 2.0.
I realize that this almost means losing some magic of the old game but it gives you a pretty damn good footing to start with. Maybe I'm part of a smaller minority but the reason I stopped loading WildStar after a week was how uninspired it felt. Mediocre fantasy world, boring story; there was basically no immersion for me.
I still remember having to do the long run upto Rivendell in LOTRO.. an amazing immersive experience into LOTR lore. The same way I remember going to Tatooine for the first time in SWG; absolutely awesome.
Then I think of uh.. some zone.. in WS.. and er, some zone in TERA.. well, yeah, literally can't even remember the zone names.
SWG 2.0 = yes please
DAOC 2.0 = yes please
AO 2.0 = omfg yes please
With these 4 games I would have no reason to play anything else.
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You can update the graphics but if the gameplay is still the game then me people will likely not get into it and if you do tissue the gameplay then the old players won't play it.
And you also run the risk that the old players don't like the new graphics and again won't play it.
Then you have the huge costs involved with updating the graphics and fixing any issues the have had it has.
SWG, for example, had enough bugs, glitches and incomplete features to come a donkey even before the CU and NGE.
WoW is updating the character models and the message boards have a lot of "my character doesn't look right, fix it or I quit" type posts.
With remakes you're going to fail at getting the old players back, new players to join or both.
I've been asking for this exact thing to happen to one game in particular for many many years now, DAOC. Now, my faith is in CU. While DAOC is being run by a new company who's actually adding new features, unlike Mythic was, I still don't see an engine upgrade and overhaul happening.
Lotro would need a lot more than an engine upgrade for me. I played launch and over 20 months of subed game-time spread out over the past years into that game. In that time it's almost depressing to see how far its fallen after the WB Games take-over. The Gap of Rohan expansion was the worst mmo expansion I've ever seen, it increased the level cap by 10 levels and provided 7-8 levels of quest content with no major additions to the game. I haven't and will not return to the game post that. I'm waiting for another company to give a LOTR mmo a go.
SWG just simply isn't around now, though I don't want an updated SWTOR. I'd like to see another go at the Star Wars IP as well, one that isn't a single player game with some multiplayer elements.
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Whether in games or in movies, it's never a good idea to remake something. There are far too memories and high expectations to try and live up to.
The better idea would be to take what worked and created that social bond from older MMO's and use the updated technology we have to further explore and expand that aspect.
This is all that needed to be said. You can close this thread now.
Warhammer was the attempt at DAOC 2.
The one from that list that would be emminently doable would be Asheron's Call. AC3 would be a wonderful thing.
ff14 is similar enough to 11 that i would consider it sort of a remake. at least it felt that way to me, and i played 11 for a decent chunk o'time.
i would also love to see lotro 2.
AO was one of those games i was bonkers excited over and then the poor launch kinda killed it. it's another one that could use a remake, since it really didnt get a fair shake the first time and even still it's been around 10 years.
overall though i'd like to see a "spiritual successor" rather than a direct remake. like a game where you can see the influences of a past game but it's still its own standalone game. they tried to accomplish this in vanguard but, oh lord the launch.
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A TRUE sequel to Asheron's Call would make me the happiest gamer in the history of gaming.
AC2 dosen't count.
No way. The only similarities are the job names.
It's like saying EQ1 was similar enough to EQ2.
LOTRO has a lot of high quality content, but the engine is really showing its age. They could work on an updated engine that is compatible with the existing scripts and landscapes, provide high resolution textures, updated models, and so on, and it'd transform it.
It seems the game is actually one of the biggest revenue MMOs, which may be why WB won't spend the large chunk of money needed to update it.
Haha somebody recreating Vanguard. I'm not holding my breath for that one. Even Pantheon moves strongly away from the central elements that made Vanguard great:
- Very complex, but well designed classes with tons of abilities (Pantheon apparently wants to go the Guild Wars "please no more than X abilities, or my head explodes" route).
- Almost all classes feel substantially different in gameplay. In fact some (Monk, Shaman) have subclasses that change the gameplay most substantly. Aspects of the game that are important on some are minor issues or not present at all on others. Okay, maybe Pantheon will have this, too.
- Classes have clear secondary tasks, such as a Cleric being able to offtank. Pantheon however is back to the good old EQ recipe "one class, one function". Yay !
The only remake I'd love to see would be a City of Heroes one.
I didn't even play the first versions of most of the games on that list, so remakes of them are very unlikely to convince me the second time around. (Unless they got a bunch of extra features that I liked)
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With good reason, since they couldn't even get most of those things to work on the original Vanguard before they let SOE buy them out. :P
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*shrugs* I've played Vanguard for its whole run, so I had plenty of time in which it worked pretty well.
Anarchy Online, please, I am really close to play the old one. Maybe its nostalgia or maybe I was new to it then, but nothing and I mean over 10, at least, of the recent MMOs have been as good.
Left AO looking for something better and fresh almost 10 years ago and have never found anything that I could say gave me the same feeling excitement immersion. The closest I got was EVE - AoC,Aion would deserve an honorable mention but everything else I was bored in 2 days.
RETURNING TO THE CLASICS IS IMPOSABLE :
Here is why !
MMO companies changed there formula for a reason. Why would they intentionally change it back and harm there product ?......
They made changes knowing they will loose a percentage of there player base to gain a newer younger one. They don't believe they screwed up at all, there moving forward with there changes that many hardcore feel is a mistake.
They basically like what they did !......Even at a cost of many of us not liking it.
Here is something I find interesting with you people :
Many were waiting for " Blizzards Titian ". Why ?..... because many didn't like the changes to WoW over the years. Sooooo, what makes you think that Tition will have had classic content ?
- It would have been easy.
- It would be fast leveling
- It will have the next expansion ready for purchase within six months
- It would have a Dungeon Finder lobby.
If LOTRO 2.0 would be the Moria/Mirkwood era game with updated graphics and tweaks to the LI system I would very happily play it. Best themepark game I've ever played. Unfortunately pretty much every change Turbine has made to the game since 2009 has been something I disagreed with so I don't think a remake would capture what I liked in the original game.
I'd definitely play a graphically updated/polished Vanguard but again I'm not holding my breath. Seems like big companies with the money to make these sort of games are not interested in making them anymore in that style.