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[General Article] ArcheAge: Review in Progress #4 – A Hard Lesson in Safe Trade

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
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As you might recall last week, I obtained my first real seafaring ship: the clipper. One of ArcheAge’s biggest selling points, at least in my eyes, is the crafting and trade game. There are two ways to go about it too: the safe way where you don’t have to worry about danger (but get less reward), or the dangerous way where you have to go into enemy territory (but the payoff is significantly larger). This past week, I learned the difference between the two the hard way.

Read more of Bill Murphy's ArcheAge Review in Progress #4 - A Hard Lesson in Safe Trade.

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This farm cart has room for four trade packs – four!


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  • JabasJabas Member UncommonPosts: 1,249

    "...crafting and trade and PVP elements are so deep and foster such teamwork and interaction - it’s just a good and solid unique MMO experience."

    This is exactly my feeling with AA.

    Now the negative part, i really hope Trion/XLGames take control of the bots/Hackers soon enouph. 

  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar Member RarePosts: 1,689

    If you're playing Archeage to AVOID the (group) PvP (which seems to be the case at the moment for this reviewer, since he keeps trying to sneak trade packs to their destinations solo), you honestly really should probably just stop now.

     

    Archeage's end game IS PvP.  Delivering carts back and forth only lasts so long before you get sick of it, and the PvE is filler at best (and even that might be giving it too much credit).  There is literally NOTHING to do later on besides deliver trade packs back and forth, watch grass grow on your farm, PvP, and PvP PvP PvP (be it on the seas, for castles, or for defending and attacking others delivering trade packs.  Yea, it's all PvP, but it's a variety of PvP)

     

    If you aren't playing the game with the intent to PvP PvP PvP (in a GROUP) down the line, you really REALLY shouldn't bother.

     

    Unfortunately, the game generally doesn't give you any indication of this until you're finally already there.  It starts out seeming like a theme park with some sandbox such as bonus farmvile gameplay and lots of interesting PvP, but that's NOT what it is.  It's all PvP (with farmville weaved in to it) and nothing else eventually.

     
     
     
     
  • PepeqPepeq Member UncommonPosts: 1,977
    Originally posted by TiamatRoar

    If you're playing Archeage to AVOID the (group) PvP (which seems to be the case at the moment for this reviewer, since he keeps trying to sneak trade packs to their destinations solo), you honestly really should probably just stop now.

     

    Archeage's end game IS PvP.  Delivering carts back and forth only lasts so long before you get sick of it, and the PvE is filler at best (and even that might be giving it too much credit).  There is literally NOTHING to do later on besides deliver trade packs back and forth, watch grass grow on your farm, PvP, and PvP PvP PvP (be it on the seas, for castles, or for defending and attacking others delivering trade packs.  Yea, it's all PvP, but it's a variety of PvP)

     

    If you aren't playing the game with the intent to PvP PvP PvP (in a GROUP) down the line, you really REALLY shouldn't bother.

     

    Unfortunately, the game generally doesn't give you any indication of this until you're finally already there.  It starts out seeming like a theme park with some sandbox such as bonus farmvile gameplay and lots of interesting PvP, but that's NOT what it is.  It's all PvP (with farmville weaved in to it) and nothing else eventually.

     
     
     
     

    Really?  It was pretty obvious from the get-go for me.  Hell, even Trion's own website calls it a PVP game.  Come level 30, your thrust into danger... unless of course you are on an unbalanced server in which one faction totally outnumbers the other... in which case, it's still PVE land for you folks.  I personally wish all zones were marked for war... this rolling PVE characters totally screws up the balance of the server.  You're screwing over your faction by hiding in your safe zones while the other faction controls basically the rest of the world.  They are worse than AFK peeps... should get booted for the PVE bots they are.

  • NerblasNerblas Member UncommonPosts: 37

    And there it comes, the nice guys... Do you have some frustation in life?

    "Vidis Fodidis Est"

  • MardukkMardukk Member RarePosts: 2,222
    Originally posted by TiamatRoar

    If you're playing Archeage to AVOID the (group) PvP (which seems to be the case at the moment for this reviewer, since he keeps trying to sneak trade packs to their destinations solo), you honestly really should probably just stop now.

     

    Archeage's end game IS PvP.  Delivering carts back and forth only lasts so long before you get sick of it, and the PvE is filler at best (and even that might be giving it too much credit).  There is literally NOTHING to do later on besides deliver trade packs back and forth, watch grass grow on your farm, PvP, and PvP PvP PvP (be it on the seas, for castles, or for defending and attacking others delivering trade packs.  Yea, it's all PvP, but it's a variety of PvP)

     

    If you aren't playing the game with the intent to PvP PvP PvP (in a GROUP) down the line, you really REALLY shouldn't bother.

     

    Unfortunately, the game generally doesn't give you any indication of this until you're finally already there.  It starts out seeming like a theme park with some sandbox such as bonus farmvile gameplay and lots of interesting PvP, but that's NOT what it is.  It's all PvP (with farmville weaved in to it) and nothing else eventually.

     
     
     
     

    Huh?  Your post makes no sense.  I do agree that this is easily the worst PvE I've seen in any MMO.  Darkfall has much better PvE if that tells you something.

     

    I'm about to the same area Bill is with the game.  Still trying to level up.  Although I haven't even tried to craft as I don't have any land.  Is it possible to gather enough to craft without land?  

  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar Member RarePosts: 1,689
    Originally posted by Pepeq

     

    Really?  It was pretty obvious from the get-go for me.  Hell, even Trion's own website calls it a PVP game.  Come level 30, your thrust into danger... unless of course you are on an unbalanced server in which one faction totally outnumbers the other... in which case, it's still PVE land for you folks.  I personally wish all zones were marked for war... this rolling PVE characters totally screws up the balance of the server.  You're screwing over your faction by hiding in your safe zones while the other faction controls basically the rest of the world.  They are worse than AFK peeps... should get booted for the PVE bots they are.

    Level 30 is what I was talking about.  I don't consider it "from the get-go".  That said, the REALITY of the situation doesn't sink in until later.  I still see tons of PvE players in Archeage posting about their Hastla grind for example, but the truth is the Hastla grind is filler at best and is greatly outclassed by crafted gear (which is where the PvP starts to take greater prominence)

  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar Member RarePosts: 1,689
    Originally posted by Mardukk
    Originally posted by TiamatRoar

    If you're playing Archeage to AVOID the (group) PvP (which seems to be the case at the moment for this reviewer, since he keeps trying to sneak trade packs to their destinations solo), you honestly really should probably just stop now.

     

    Archeage's end game IS PvP.  Delivering carts back and forth only lasts so long before you get sick of it, and the PvE is filler at best (and even that might be giving it too much credit).  There is literally NOTHING to do later on besides deliver trade packs back and forth, watch grass grow on your farm, PvP, and PvP PvP PvP (be it on the seas, for castles, or for defending and attacking others delivering trade packs.  Yea, it's all PvP, but it's a variety of PvP)

     

    If you aren't playing the game with the intent to PvP PvP PvP (in a GROUP) down the line, you really REALLY shouldn't bother.

     

    Unfortunately, the game generally doesn't give you any indication of this until you're finally already there.  It starts out seeming like a theme park with some sandbox such as bonus farmvile gameplay and lots of interesting PvP, but that's NOT what it is.  It's all PvP (with farmville weaved in to it) and nothing else eventually.

     
     
     
     

    Huh?  Your post makes no sense.  I do agree that this is easily the worst PvE I've seen in any MMO.  Darkfall has much better PvE if that tells you something.

    Basically, if the PvE is terrible, what's left?  Just crafting, trade runs, and PvP.  And who plays a game just to craft and run trade runs?

     

    If you play the game with a "Oh, I can keep playing solo as long as I stick to the safe areas" mindset (IE, playing the game to AVOID the PvP), you really need to realize that "running back and forth delivering packs while trying to hide from PvPers" is all you'll be doing all your in-game life (since there is no decent PvE whatsoever), and I highly doubt anyone's going to find that to be very fun for long.

  • JabasJabas Member UncommonPosts: 1,249
    Originally posted by TiamatRoar

    If you're playing Archeage to AVOID the (group) PvP (which seems to be the case at the moment for this reviewer, since he keeps trying to sneak trade packs to their destinations solo), you honestly really should probably just stop now.

     

    Archeage's end game IS PvP.  Delivering carts back and forth only lasts so long before you get sick of it, and the PvE is filler at best (and even that might be giving it too much credit).  There is literally NOTHING to do later on besides deliver trade packs back and forth, watch grass grow on your farm, PvP, and PvP PvP PvP (be it on the seas, for castles, or for defending and attacking others delivering trade packs.  Yea, it's all PvP, but it's a variety of PvP)

     

    If you aren't playing the game with the intent to PvP PvP PvP (in a GROUP) down the line, you really REALLY shouldn't bother.

     

    Unfortunately, the game generally doesn't give you any indication of this until you're finally already there.  It starts out seeming like a theme park with some sandbox such as bonus farmvile gameplay and lots of interesting PvP, but that's NOT what it is.  It's all PvP (with farmville weaved in to it) and nothing else eventually.

     
     
     
     

    Thanks for the review of the game based the way you play it.

    You have the right to chose your way then plz allow others have the same right: playing the game in any possible way, and deliver packs solo in safe zones to archive whatever he wants in-game is a valid option, if player gets bored or not is up to him.

  • BroodwichBroodwich Member UncommonPosts: 65
    I don't know how this guy's still 32 after 50 hours of even just farming. Half of our guild's farmers already have the Arche-master titles and the other half are getting close for never leaving our farming areas.
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    Originally posted by Broodwich
    I don't know how this guy's still 32 after 50 hours of even just farming. Half of our guild's farmers already have the Arche-master titles and the other half are getting close for never leaving our farming areas.

    That would be solo vs group (guilds) play equals faster leveling.

    "We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa      "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are."  SR Covey

  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    Good article. 

    "We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa      "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are."  SR Covey

  • plescureplescure Member UncommonPosts: 397

    Bill, if youve not managed yo get any land yet, theres a big chunk of this game you will be missing for review.

    The main thing thats kept me going beyond lvl 30 is tending my farms and breeding animals on it. Its the best part of the game IMO.

    Perhaps you should raid the mmorpg.com petty cash tin and go buy yourself a piece of land. It would be unfair to give a final review of this game without having experienced that aspect of the final game.

    If someone is talking in general chat in a language you dont understand, chances are they're not talking to you. So chill out and stop bitching about it!

  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Member UncommonPosts: 3,713
    Originally posted by Pepeq
    Originally posted by TiamatRoar

    If you're playing Archeage to AVOID the (group) PvP (which seems to be the case at the moment for this reviewer, since he keeps trying to sneak trade packs to their destinations solo), you honestly really should probably just stop now.

     

    Archeage's end game IS PvP.  Delivering carts back and forth only lasts so long before you get sick of it, and the PvE is filler at best (and even that might be giving it too much credit).  There is literally NOTHING to do later on besides deliver trade packs back and forth, watch grass grow on your farm, PvP, and PvP PvP PvP (be it on the seas, for castles, or for defending and attacking others delivering trade packs.  Yea, it's all PvP, but it's a variety of PvP)

     

    If you aren't playing the game with the intent to PvP PvP PvP (in a GROUP) down the line, you really REALLY shouldn't bother.

     

    Unfortunately, the game generally doesn't give you any indication of this until you're finally already there.  It starts out seeming like a theme park with some sandbox such as bonus farmvile gameplay and lots of interesting PvP, but that's NOT what it is.  It's all PvP (with farmville weaved in to it) and nothing else eventually.

     
     
     
     

    Really?  It was pretty obvious from the get-go for me.  Hell, even Trion's own website calls it a PVP game.  Come level 30, your thrust into danger... unless of course you are on an unbalanced server in which one faction totally outnumbers the other... in which case, it's still PVE land for you folks.  I personally wish all zones were marked for war... this rolling PVE characters totally screws up the balance of the server.  You're screwing over your faction by hiding in your safe zones while the other faction controls basically the rest of the world.  They are worse than AFK peeps... should get booted for the PVE bots they are.

    Not everyone is a soldier! That's like saying a Baker is screwing over American by not going overseas to fight.

    Now... they could implement some kind of draft system to force players to go fight if they need soldiers during war time haha. That would be interesting... soldier approaches you out of no where "you have just been drafted, come with us".

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  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,565
    @Tiamat: I'm only avoiding the PVP because I trying to make some gold and Gilda to get my farm cart. I take part in guild battles on Halcy and others a lot.

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  • AlalalaAlalala Member UncommonPosts: 314

    ArcheAge is: Bots, cheats, hacks, gold spammers.

     

    Trion / XLGames seems to have wearily accepted that they are powerless to stop them.  If something is happening to clear up the mess, it's not getting routinely and well communicated in the officials forums.  More often than any positive news, you are more likely to read about a bot still botting away despite multiple reports against him.

     

    If you can live with bots grabbing resource nodes, a screwed-up economy, and constantly blocking spammers, there is an okay game (e.g., trade, crafting, land & housing) buried deep in all this other shit. 

     

    You've been warned.

     

     

     
  • ironhorse1010ironhorse1010 Member UncommonPosts: 12
    Originally posted by DMKano

    ArcheAge LPT for solo trade-pack turning to enemy territory:

    1. know where neutral alliance guards are near Gilda star turn in NPC

    2. Teleport/ jump back/front abilities are key, stealth can help a lot

    3. If no enemy boats are in the way - aim for guards at full speed - when within 30 yards disnengage from ships wheel and stand at the front tip of the boat (since I have shadow play I stealth and turn around 180 so that my back is towards the guards) then when within range I hit my flip-back ability from boat to shore next to guards

    4. If enemy boats are in the way - despawn boat, stealth and swim the rest of the way.

    5. Once near guards you are safe - if you get attacked the attacker will get one or 2 shorted by guards (do NOT fight back as you will die too)

    6. Profit

     

    Obviously bringing friends always helps but I've done a bunch of solo trade runs on my clipper.

    If you get jumped by pirates/enemies on water - despawn boat - stealth and dive straight down (have some dahuta potions for underwater breathing).

    If you are alone - vast majority of time they won't bother to dive after you, if they do you can be underwater for 45min with potion - again stealth helps big time.

     

     

     
     

    Thanks for the tips i needed them

  • SFRHurricaneSFRHurricane Member Posts: 1
    If you didn't get a 16x16 farm in the first couple of days forget it now.  There are a few isolated patches open to drop a small 8x8 farm but no place not even the "PvP" zones have any land available for a house or a 16x16 farm and that is a shame.   I was hooked on this game and loved all the different crafting there is available but I waited too many days to do the large farm quest.  Now all the land is taken by 1. Land Barons who own 10+ plots of land and sell it for 1,000+ gold per plot, 2. Hackers who don't even have to be near an expiring plot to be able to claim it even if you are standing right there alone waiting to click, or 3 people who dropped theirs at weird angles to take up as much space as possible so you can pass by an area that could fit 4 farms but there's 1 dropped right in the middle.  I fear this is going to be the downfall because without the ability to own a piece of land there is no point in paying for Patron access because it would be like being homeless and still making house payments.  The forums are blowing up with complaints about the land problems but there has been silence from Trion if they even consider it an issue.
  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    Originally posted by TiamatRoar
    Originally posted by Mardukk
    Originally posted by TiamatRoar

    If you're playing Archeage to AVOID the (group) PvP (which seems to be the case at the moment for this reviewer, since he keeps trying to sneak trade packs to their destinations solo), you honestly really should probably just stop now.

     

    Archeage's end game IS PvP.  Delivering carts back and forth only lasts so long before you get sick of it, and the PvE is filler at best (and even that might be giving it too much credit).  There is literally NOTHING to do later on besides deliver trade packs back and forth, watch grass grow on your farm, PvP, and PvP PvP PvP (be it on the seas, for castles, or for defending and attacking others delivering trade packs.  Yea, it's all PvP, but it's a variety of PvP)

     

    If you aren't playing the game with the intent to PvP PvP PvP (in a GROUP) down the line, you really REALLY shouldn't bother.

     

    Unfortunately, the game generally doesn't give you any indication of this until you're finally already there.  It starts out seeming like a theme park with some sandbox such as bonus farmvile gameplay and lots of interesting PvP, but that's NOT what it is.  It's all PvP (with farmville weaved in to it) and nothing else eventually.

     
     
     
     

    Huh?  Your post makes no sense.  I do agree that this is easily the worst PvE I've seen in any MMO.  Darkfall has much better PvE if that tells you something.

    Basically, if the PvE is terrible, what's left?  Just crafting, trade runs, and PvP.  And who plays a game just to craft and run trade runs?

     

    If you play the game with a "Oh, I can keep playing solo as long as I stick to the safe areas" mindset (IE, playing the game to AVOID the PvP), you really need to realize that "running back and forth delivering packs while trying to hide from PvPers" is all you'll be doing all your in-game life (since there is no decent PvE whatsoever), and I highly doubt anyone's going to find that to be very fun for long.

    Really?  Do you really play the game with blinders on?  Games like this need support people.  Ask any guild, they have people who pvp and those that don't and it is usually slanted to the support side.    It is a real shame that housing was implemented so poorly.   I am of the opinion that Trion is made up of a bunch of gutless wonders because they have done nothing to fix the games issues.   

    For those of you still attempting to have fun in the game I wish you luck.

  • ojustabooojustaboo Member UncommonPosts: 65
    Hehe, I was home yesterday, presumed most players would be at work, so took the risk and tried to get my large scarecrow by using a row boat against all advice.

    I got over 3/4 of the way then a jellyfish one shotted me.

    A lesson learned, now making another trade pack :)
  • MrLee95MrLee95 Member UncommonPosts: 7

    For the Scarecrow quest you don't actually have to go right up to the docks. If you just get into that area then the quest will complete. This helps people who don't want to PVP. BUT You will sometimes find ship blockades that are waiting for you in the ocean. 

    Best advice is go at 3-5am. :P

  • SiphaedSiphaed Member RarePosts: 1,114
    Originally posted by MrLee95

    For the Scarecrow quest you don't actually have to go right up to the docks. If you just get into that area then the quest will complete. This helps people who don't want to PVP. BUT You will sometimes find ship blockades that are waiting for you in the ocean. 

    Best advice is go at 3-5am. :P

    Better advice would be to just  get a guildmate with a Clipper to drive you, find a generous soul that's going there from the shore already to hitch a ride from, or even pay someone to drive you there as well.*

     

     

     

    *Special note: Make sure that the last 2 options are from a guilded person who's in a well known guild that doesn't Bloodlust it's faction.  


  • unclemounclemo Member UncommonPosts: 462
    Damm Bill, no level 50 yet? You gotta get there soon to review a bunch of the content.

    Perhaps you're wasting too much time with trivial things like work, showeing, and sleep :)
  • aligada87aligada87 Member UncommonPosts: 234
    Only downside I dont like about the game is the penalty for things that u do is not harsh enough. I would like yo be able to attack a player who farms carts all day or attack the players who hogged alll the land for their benefits.
  • aligada87aligada87 Member UncommonPosts: 234
    I was expecting full eve freedom from the mmo but I guess u cant have that
  • kurohisankurohisan Member UncommonPosts: 3
    Imo this game should be played like the player wants. Not like ppl commented here.

    I see no problem if someone wants to grind hasla or turn in tradepacks at safezones. It's theyre choise.

    Obviously ppl are pissed coz they can't steal those packs from lowlvls. I have been doing that and got patron, and loads of apexes , with ingame gold.

    Farmin and crafting with small amount of pve is just fine for me. Tho i do pvp in warzones sometimes too .

    But i still don't see a point why someone wouldnt just pve in this dx-based farmville
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