This is the statement that most concerns me. They are doing this now because it's working. They will continue to do it for as long as it continues to work, including after the game releases. To believe otherwise is simply unrealistic considering they could stand to make even more money selling ships with a workable game.
This just contradicts what Chris Roberts said as an official statement. That NO ships will be sold for real world cash after the game launches.
Now .. it might be YOUR PERSONAL OPINION that they will continue selling ships after launch. Time will tell if you are right or wrong.
I personally will keep checking the various media and forums for the official stance of CIG, which - for me - is a bit more substantial than 681.689 personal opinions.
And of course everyone - the team, the backers, the media - would prefer a finished game NOW ! And buying ships IN GAME for IN GAME money. But this is a biiiig, ambitious project. It takes time ... the usual number cited is 4-5 years. We the backers are willing to give CIG that time. There have been numerous polls on the forums on this topic and each and every one yields the same result: 95 % of the backers vote for "Take as much time as you need to make it the best space sim game ever !" And THAT - the opinion of the backers - is the only thing that counts in a crowdfunding project.
This IS a crowdfunding project. People give money freely and voluntarily. No one forces anyone to spend anything. And if one just wants to join the project all one needs is 30 $. I am continually amazed by the emotional (violent ? hateful ?) reaction of some people when someone else is spending money as they see fit. Let me give you another example of crowdfunding: in Austria we help to renovate old churches (e.g. Stephansdom in Vienna). Symbolically you buy bricks. Usually one brick. But of course, someone can buy more bricks, even whole "walls" of bricks. No one even THINKs of criticising someone for buying more than one brick to make something great. And even many non-religious people buy bricks, because they think its a good idea.
This is the statement that most concerns me. They are doing this now because it's working. They will continue to do it for as long as it continues to work, including after the game releases. To believe otherwise is simply unrealistic considering they could stand to make even more money selling ships with a workable game.
This just contradicts what Chris Roberts said as an official statement. That NO ships will be sold for real world cash after the game launches.
Now .. it might be YOUR PERSONAL OPINION that they will continue selling ships after launch. Time will tell if you are right or wrong.
I personally will keep checking the various media and forums for the official stance of CIG, which - for me - is a bit more substantial than 681.689 personal opinions.
And of course everyone - the team, the backers, the media - would prefer a finished game NOW ! And buying ships IN GAME for IN GAME money. But this is a biiiig, ambitious project. It takes time ... the usual number cited is 4-5 years. We the backers are willing to give CIG that time. There have been numerous polls on the forums on this topic and each and every one yields the same result: 95 % of the backers vote for "Take as much time as you need to make it the best space sim game ever !" And THAT - the opinion of the backers - is the only thing that counts in a crowdfunding project.
This IS a crowdfunding project. People give money freely and voluntarily. No one forces anyone to spend anything. And if one just wants to join the project all one needs is 30 $. I am continually amazed by the emotional (violent ? hateful ?) reaction of some people when someone else is spending money as they see fit. Let me give you another example of crowdfunding: in Austria we help to renovate old churches (e.g. Stephansdom in Vienna). Symbolically you buy bricks. Usually one brick. But of course, someone can buy more bricks, even whole "walls" of bricks. No one even THINKs of criticising someone for buying more than one brick to make something great. And even many non-religious people buy bricks, because they think its a good idea.
Have fun
CR also said they would not bring back LTI, but they did. Ben has already stated that they want to sell ships after launch but its the backers that do not want them to so for now they will not. He even said that backers have been asking them for it. So its a safe bet that CIG will sell ships after launch.
This is the statement that most concerns me. They are doing this now because it's working. They will continue to do it for as long as it continues to work, including after the game releases. To believe otherwise is simply unrealistic considering they could stand to make even more money selling ships with a workable game.
This just contradicts what Chris Roberts said as an official statement. That NO ships will be sold for real world cash after the game launches.
Now .. it might be YOUR PERSONAL OPINION that they will continue selling ships after launch. Time will tell if you are right or wrong.
I personally will keep checking the various media and forums for the official stance of CIG, which - for me - is a bit more substantial than 681.689 personal opinions.
And of course everyone - the team, the backers, the media - would prefer a finished game NOW ! And buying ships IN GAME for IN GAME money. But this is a biiiig, ambitious project. It takes time ... the usual number cited is 4-5 years. We the backers are willing to give CIG that time. There have been numerous polls on the forums on this topic and each and every one yields the same result: 95 % of the backers vote for "Take as much time as you need to make it the best space sim game ever !" And THAT - the opinion of the backers - is the only thing that counts in a crowdfunding project.
This IS a crowdfunding project. People give money freely and voluntarily. No one forces anyone to spend anything. And if one just wants to join the project all one needs is 30 $. I am continually amazed by the emotional (violent ? hateful ?) reaction of some people when someone else is spending money as they see fit. Let me give you another example of crowdfunding: in Austria we help to renovate old churches (e.g. Stephansdom in Vienna). Symbolically you buy bricks. Usually one brick. But of course, someone can buy more bricks, even whole "walls" of bricks. No one even THINKs of criticising someone for buying more than one brick to make something great. And even many non-religious people buy bricks, because they think its a good idea.
Have fun
When the game releases and they are looking at implementing a potentially HUGE revenue stream or not with the only reason not to, being they said they wouldn't. Well, yeah, we all want to believe they will stay true to their words, but these are big profits. To think they won't renege like so many other developers before them, is just naive. Especially when it's so easy to rationalize by saying "This is what the players want" Even though it's probably a minority of spenders. But hey, this is what people are saying with "Vote with your wallets". And you are right, this IS a crowd funded project. What makes you think it won't continue as long as there is a crowd willing to fund it?
. What makes you think it won't continue as long as there is a crowd willing to fund it?
Because I met the team and Chris Roberts (at Gamescom 2014).
If anything, they are even more looking forward to launch this game as soon as possible with the planned quality. Even more so than the backers and fans.
And i have seen PLENTY of sales people at work on other occasions, spouting out their rehearsed lines. This was NOT your average sales pitch. My personal impression was that each and every one there was dedicated to make this possible.
A personal opinion, thats for sure. But enough to back this project with my personal cash, to make it happen.
So .. to answer your question directly: No, i do not think they will artifically extend the development time of the game any longer than necessary just to get extra crowdfunding money. Especially not when there is a possibility to sell millions of copies of the game to non-backers at launch.
CR also said they would not bring back LTI, but they did. Ben has already stated that they want to sell ships after launch but its the backers that do not want them to so for now they will not. He even said that backers have been asking them for it. So its a safe bet that CIG will sell ships after launch.
CR also said that they changed insurance so that the insurance fee is only a minor financial contribution. Which basically makes the LTI only a minor advantage IMHO. This is not EVE - you cannot lose a ship and your pilot every 10 min. The "Death of a Spaceman" permadeath mechanic is a natural limiter for that ... and also reduces the advantage for LTI further. And the quote from CR you probably mean is approx. 2 years old .. and the scope of the game has changed much since then (and CIG informed the backers about the changes every step of the way).
Ben has NOT stated that they want to sell ships for real world cash after launch and i challenge you to post the link to this "Ben quote". Ben HAS stated that some backers (only a few) asked for this option and CIG considered it as they consider all the feedback from the community. And in the SAME interview he said that despite this wish, CIG will NOT do it. Because the majority of players is against it.
You can bet all you want. Only time will tell if you win your bet. But please do not post your own personal opinion and forecast as if its an unavoidable universal truth woven into the fabric of the universe.
. What makes you think it won't continue as long as there is a crowd willing to fund it?
Because I met the team and Chris Roberts (at Gamescom 2014).
If anything, they are even more looking forward to launch this game as soon as possible with the planned quality. Even more so than the backers and fans.
And i have seen PLENTY of sales people at work on other occasions, spouting out their rehearsed lines. This was NOT your average sales pitch. My personal impression was that each and every one there was dedicated to make this possible.
A personal opinion, thats for sure. But enough to back this project with my personal cash, to make it happen.
So .. to answer your question directly: No, i do not think they will artifically extend the development time of the game any longer than necessary just to get extra crowdfunding money. Especially not when there is a possibility to sell millions of copies of the game to non-backers at launch.
Originally posted by jmlane223 Haha I could not help but laugh when I seen they have a subscription plan... now that is a big wtf? A subscription really? Not even to get in the game but to pretty much give them a monthly income for those truly retarded.
Please, illustrate why paying for a membership to support a project is retarded.
Originally posted by shadow9d9
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by Erillion
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
I think you are side-stepping amber-r's point. You say "no matter how awesome" The point is, it simply may not be awesome at all. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. No body knows what this game is going to be beyond a list of features. Wrum has a great list of features too.
I am not side-stepping his point. Everyone can see for themselves if they like the game or not. Plenty of Youtube videos made by players out there. One does not have to watch the developer videos. That is how the game looks in pre-Alpha, on the old version of the Cryengine.
Everyone can keep following the project .. see for themselves how it looks like with a 64 bit CryEngine. How it looks like when it hits feature-complete Alpha, when it hits Beta....
I personally think it will be awesome. Other people may have a different opinion ....
Have fun
The real problem is the f-ing idiot gamers who think a game that doesn't match their ideals is somehow a failure and the company is a sellout or p2w or the devs are lazy/incompetent. People need to get some perspective and check their own reactions to game design choices. If you don't like something, fine.
I have wonder why people invest to much time posting about games they don't like. Do they have nothing better going on with their little lives?
There is no game yet and won't be for some time. It is being made by someone with nothing created of note within a decade and instead relies on name dropping a series from 20 years ago.
You wonder why people discuss their opinions on a potential game in a forum about games? I find that hard to believe. The fact that you name call and want to silence people with different opinions speaks volumes.
What does time have to do with anything? He's simply the project lead, the imagination. He and over 300 other developers are more than enough to build a game of this scope.
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by shadow9d9
Originally posted by whisperwynd
That's uncertain at this time. Game hasn't even launched.
Only when we see what the game is and has to offer can we ascertain if anything 'backfired' concerning money given for ships.
They've made enough money that the game does not need to sell. Their strategy demonstrably worked.
That being said, the game's quality has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with whether this strategy is successful or not.
Has the strategy worked in terms of me personally? I won't touch the game with a 10 foot pole because I do not support games, no matter how good they are, if they are all about monetization. I do not play games to be asked for money while playing. Most people aren't principled this way. Most people don't care. Most people like the attention they get when showing off things money related. That is why it works.
Now, had they introduced ships for $600 and no one bought it and it turned everyone off to the game, then it would have backfired.
This is the statement that most concerns me. They are doing this now because it's working. They will continue to do it for as long as it continues to work, including after the game releases. To believe otherwise is simply unrealistic considering they could stand to make even more money selling ships with a workable game.
They absolutely will not sell ships this way after release. This gets asked incessantly, and they have said hundreds of times that this will not happen.
Originally posted by jmlane223 Haha I could not help but laugh when I seen they have a subscription plan... now that is a big wtf? A subscription really? Not even to get in the game but to pretty much give them a monthly income for those truly retarded.
Please, illustrate why paying for a membership to support a project is retarded.
Originally posted by shadow9d9
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by Erillion
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
I think you are side-stepping amber-r's point. You say "no matter how awesome" The point is, it simply may not be awesome at all. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. No body knows what this game is going to be beyond a list of features. Wrum has a great list of features too.
I am not side-stepping his point. Everyone can see for themselves if they like the game or not. Plenty of Youtube videos made by players out there. One does not have to watch the developer videos. That is how the game looks in pre-Alpha, on the old version of the Cryengine.
Everyone can keep following the project .. see for themselves how it looks like with a 64 bit CryEngine. How it looks like when it hits feature-complete Alpha, when it hits Beta....
I personally think it will be awesome. Other people may have a different opinion ....
Have fun
The real problem is the f-ing idiot gamers who think a game that doesn't match their ideals is somehow a failure and the company is a sellout or p2w or the devs are lazy/incompetent. People need to get some perspective and check their own reactions to game design choices. If you don't like something, fine.
I have wonder why people invest to much time posting about games they don't like. Do they have nothing better going on with their little lives?
There is no game yet and won't be for some time. It is being made by someone with nothing created of note within a decade and instead relies on name dropping a series from 20 years ago.
You wonder why people discuss their opinions on a potential game in a forum about games? I find that hard to believe. The fact that you name call and want to silence people with different opinions speaks volumes.
What does time have to do with anything? He's simply the project lead, the imagination. He and over 300 other developers are more than enough to build a game of this scope.
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by shadow9d9
Originally posted by whisperwynd
That's uncertain at this time. Game hasn't even launched.
Only when we see what the game is and has to offer can we ascertain if anything 'backfired' concerning money given for ships.
They've made enough money that the game does not need to sell. Their strategy demonstrably worked.
That being said, the game's quality has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with whether this strategy is successful or not.
Has the strategy worked in terms of me personally? I won't touch the game with a 10 foot pole because I do not support games, no matter how good they are, if they are all about monetization. I do not play games to be asked for money while playing. Most people aren't principled this way. Most people don't care. Most people like the attention they get when showing off things money related. That is why it works.
Now, had they introduced ships for $600 and no one bought it and it turned everyone off to the game, then it would have backfired.
This is the statement that most concerns me. They are doing this now because it's working. They will continue to do it for as long as it continues to work, including after the game releases. To believe otherwise is simply unrealistic considering they could stand to make even more money selling ships with a workable game.
They absolutely will not sell ships this way after release. This gets asked incessantly, and they have said hundreds of times that this will not happen.
"Ben says that the post PU launch package will have Auroras. Ben also says that the plan is to sell credits and not ships, however, if it turns out that people want ships to be sold and not credits then they may offer ships for sale. Ben acknowledges there's a lot of push back to selling ships however, so we'll have to wait and see."
"Ben says that the post PU launch package will have Auroras. Ben also says that the plan is to sell credits and not ships, however, if it turns out that people want ships to be sold and not credits then they may offer ships for sale. Ben acknowledges there's a lot of push back to selling ships however, so we'll have to wait and see."
Of course the PU launch packages will have Auroras. Its the STARTER ship ;-) Or one of the starter ships (Mustang is the other one).
Lets be clear - in this interview (and other interviews) Ben talks about CIG having considered selling ships because they got requests from players. Like they consider all feedback from backers. And CIG rejected the idea. Because the vast majority of backers is against it. This has also been said by Chris Roberts himself in the past.
CR also said they would not bring back LTI, but they did. Ben has already stated that they want to sell ships after launch but its the backers that do not want them to so for now they will not. He even said that backers have been asking them for it. So its a safe bet that CIG will sell ships after launch.
CR also said that they changed insurance so that the insurance fee is only a minor financial contribution. Which basically makes the LTI only a minor advantage IMHO. This is not EVE - you cannot lose a ship and your pilot every 10 min. The "Death of a Spaceman" permadeath mechanic is a natural limiter for that ... and also reduces the advantage for LTI further. And the quote from CR you probably mean is approx. 2 years old .. and the scope of the game has changed much since then (and CIG informed the backers about the changes every step of the way).
Ben has NOT stated that they want to sell ships for real world cash after launch and i challenge you to post the link to this "Ben quote". Ben HAS stated that some backers (only a few) asked for this option and CIG considered it as they consider all the feedback from the community. And in the SAME interview he said that despite this wish, CIG will NOT do it. Because the majority of players is against it.
You can bet all you want. Only time will tell if you win your bet. But please do not post your own personal opinion and forecast as if its an unavoidable universal truth woven into the fabric of the universe.
Have fun
Wrong, insurance has not changed, it was always stated to be a minor financial fee. That has not changed, so it makes it very odd that CIG added it back to the game to sell ships. This is really odd when CIG have said multiple times that LTI does not matter, and they would never bring it back. You have your dates wrong, they said LTI would not come back just a little over a year ago, you know when they had a big sale party for the last days of LTI.
CR also said they would not bring back LTI, but they did. Ben has already stated that they want to sell ships after launch but its the backers that do not want them to so for now they will not. He even said that backers have been asking them for it. So its a safe bet that CIG will sell ships after launch.
CR also said that they changed insurance so that the insurance fee is only a minor financial contribution. Which basically makes the LTI only a minor advantage IMHO. This is not EVE - you cannot lose a ship and your pilot every 10 min. The "Death of a Spaceman" permadeath mechanic is a natural limiter for that ... and also reduces the advantage for LTI further. And the quote from CR you probably mean is approx. 2 years old .. and the scope of the game has changed much since then (and CIG informed the backers about the changes every step of the way).
Ben has NOT stated that they want to sell ships for real world cash after launch and i challenge you to post the link to this "Ben quote". Ben HAS stated that some backers (only a few) asked for this option and CIG considered it as they consider all the feedback from the community. And in the SAME interview he said that despite this wish, CIG will NOT do it. Because the majority of players is against it.
You can bet all you want. Only time will tell if you win your bet. But please do not post your own personal opinion and forecast as if its an unavoidable universal truth woven into the fabric of the universe.
Have fun
Wrong, insurance has not changed, it was always stated to be a minor financial fee. That has not changed, so it makes it very odd that CIG added it back to the game to sell ships. This is really odd when CIG have said multiple times that LTI does not matter, and they would never bring it back. You have your dates wrong, they said LTI would not come back just a little over a year ago, you know when they had a big sale party for the last days of LTI.
But there are no LTI anymore. You can check the site your self and go to the store. There are no LTI packdges for sale.
CR also said they would not bring back LTI, but they did. Ben has already stated that they want to sell ships after launch but its the backers that do not want them to so for now they will not. He even said that backers have been asking them for it. So its a safe bet that CIG will sell ships after launch.
CR also said that they changed insurance so that the insurance fee is only a minor financial contribution. Which basically makes the LTI only a minor advantage IMHO. This is not EVE - you cannot lose a ship and your pilot every 10 min. The "Death of a Spaceman" permadeath mechanic is a natural limiter for that ... and also reduces the advantage for LTI further. And the quote from CR you probably mean is approx. 2 years old .. and the scope of the game has changed much since then (and CIG informed the backers about the changes every step of the way).
Ben has NOT stated that they want to sell ships for real world cash after launch and i challenge you to post the link to this "Ben quote". Ben HAS stated that some backers (only a few) asked for this option and CIG considered it as they consider all the feedback from the community. And in the SAME interview he said that despite this wish, CIG will NOT do it. Because the majority of players is against it.
You can bet all you want. Only time will tell if you win your bet. But please do not post your own personal opinion and forecast as if its an unavoidable universal truth woven into the fabric of the universe.
Have fun
Wrong, insurance has not changed, it was always stated to be a minor financial fee. That has not changed, so it makes it very odd that CIG added it back to the game to sell ships. This is really odd when CIG have said multiple times that LTI does not matter, and they would never bring it back. You have your dates wrong, they said LTI would not come back just a little over a year ago, you know when they had a big sale party for the last days of LTI.
But there are no LTI anymore. You can check the site your self and go to the store. There are no LTI packdges for sale.
You are incorrect, you can purchase ships with LTI. The new wave of ships, that have not had a concept shown yet can be purchased with LTI when those concepts are shown. This gives people the ability to buy those ships with LTI. CIG said LTI would never come back. The forums also closed/locked, many threads of people talking about it.
But it seems that LTI was a big selling factor for ships, so CIG added it to ships in order for them to sell better.
CR also said they would not bring back LTI, but they did. Ben has already stated that they want to sell ships after launch but its the backers that do not want them to so for now they will not. He even said that backers have been asking them for it. So its a safe bet that CIG will sell ships after launch.
CR also said that they changed insurance so that the insurance fee is only a minor financial contribution. Which basically makes the LTI only a minor advantage IMHO. This is not EVE - you cannot lose a ship and your pilot every 10 min. The "Death of a Spaceman" permadeath mechanic is a natural limiter for that ... and also reduces the advantage for LTI further. And the quote from CR you probably mean is approx. 2 years old .. and the scope of the game has changed much since then (and CIG informed the backers about the changes every step of the way).
Ben has NOT stated that they want to sell ships for real world cash after launch and i challenge you to post the link to this "Ben quote". Ben HAS stated that some backers (only a few) asked for this option and CIG considered it as they consider all the feedback from the community. And in the SAME interview he said that despite this wish, CIG will NOT do it. Because the majority of players is against it.
You can bet all you want. Only time will tell if you win your bet. But please do not post your own personal opinion and forecast as if its an unavoidable universal truth woven into the fabric of the universe.
Have fun
Wrong, insurance has not changed, it was always stated to be a minor financial fee. That has not changed, so it makes it very odd that CIG added it back to the game to sell ships. This is really odd when CIG have said multiple times that LTI does not matter, and they would never bring it back. You have your dates wrong, they said LTI would not come back just a little over a year ago, you know when they had a big sale party for the last days of LTI.
But there are no LTI anymore. You can check the site your self and go to the store. There are no LTI packdges for sale.
You are incorrect, you can purchase ships with LTI. The new wave of ships, that have not had a concept shown yet can be purchased with LTI when those concepts are shown. This gives people the ability to buy those ships with LTI. CIG said LTI would never come back. The forums also closed/locked, many threads of people talking about it.
But it seems that LTI was a big selling factor for ships, so CIG added it to ships in order for them to sell better.
You dont like this company I hear.
Anyways, what type of ship would that be? Becouse ither Im getting bilnd or you found some hidden ships that can not be pledged yet. When did you see this? You know they have a new site now right? If you check the "Redeemer" or "Gladius" for example it dose not have LTI it has 6 Months of Insurence.
There has been ships with LTI yes, time limited offers, like short weekend deals, the Carrack was the latest, upgraded Cartepillar to one my self, but you had to be prettey quick to get one becouse it was a time limited offer. So the awnaser is still "no, you can not get ships with LTI". Till you prove me otherwise. I wont take what you say is incorrect.
CR also said they would not bring back LTI, but they did. Ben has already stated that they want to sell ships after launch but its the backers that do not want them to so for now they will not. He even said that backers have been asking them for it. So its a safe bet that CIG will sell ships after launch.
CR also said that they changed insurance so that the insurance fee is only a minor financial contribution. Which basically makes the LTI only a minor advantage IMHO. This is not EVE - you cannot lose a ship and your pilot every 10 min. The "Death of a Spaceman" permadeath mechanic is a natural limiter for that ... and also reduces the advantage for LTI further. And the quote from CR you probably mean is approx. 2 years old .. and the scope of the game has changed much since then (and CIG informed the backers about the changes every step of the way).
Ben has NOT stated that they want to sell ships for real world cash after launch and i challenge you to post the link to this "Ben quote". Ben HAS stated that some backers (only a few) asked for this option and CIG considered it as they consider all the feedback from the community. And in the SAME interview he said that despite this wish, CIG will NOT do it. Because the majority of players is against it.
You can bet all you want. Only time will tell if you win your bet. But please do not post your own personal opinion and forecast as if its an unavoidable universal truth woven into the fabric of the universe.
Have fun
Wrong, insurance has not changed, it was always stated to be a minor financial fee. That has not changed, so it makes it very odd that CIG added it back to the game to sell ships. This is really odd when CIG have said multiple times that LTI does not matter, and they would never bring it back. You have your dates wrong, they said LTI would not come back just a little over a year ago, you know when they had a big sale party for the last days of LTI.
But there are no LTI anymore. You can check the site your self and go to the store. There are no LTI packdges for sale.
You are incorrect, you can purchase ships with LTI. The new wave of ships, that have not had a concept shown yet can be purchased with LTI when those concepts are shown. This gives people the ability to buy those ships with LTI. CIG said LTI would never come back. The forums also closed/locked, many threads of people talking about it.
But it seems that LTI was a big selling factor for ships, so CIG added it to ships in order for them to sell better.
You dont like this company I hear.
Anyways, what type of ship would that be? Becouse ither Im getting bilnd or you found some hidden ships that can not be pledged yet. When did you see this? You know they have a new site now right? If you check the "Redeemer" or "Gladius" for example it dose not have LTI it has 6 Months of Insurence.
There has been ships with LTI yes, time limited offers, like short weekend deals, the Carrack was the latest, upgraded Cartepillar to one my self, but you had to be prettey quick to get one becouse it was a time limited offer. So the awnaser is still "no, you can not get ships with LTI". Till you prove me otherwise. I wont take what you say is incorrect.
wow talk about something going right over your head. CIG said that LTI would not come back in any form, then LTI came back. Yep you can get ships with LTI, you just admitted it. Did you even read your own post? You just said they are selling ships with LTI. Not sure how you can take what I say as incorrect when you just proved me right. But oh well...
Oh and you are blind, you can in fact buy the older ships with LTI. Currently two packages come with LTI
The biggest Earth battleship (Yamato) was sunk after 13 torpedo and 8 bomb hits. I suspect that is what CIG has in mind for capital ships in Star Citizen too (and carriers are less sturdy than battleships).
And yet the hornet survived 3 dive bombs, 1 kamakazi, and 3 enemy torpedoes.
And 9 friendly torpedoes, 400 5 inch gun rounds.
and still didn't sink.....till we hit it with four 24-inch wide long lance torpedoes.
This game will have to be really great for me to support it, or have a fair way of earning all these sold ships in game.
I usually end up being a collector, even if only minorly so, and if all these ships are behind a pricetag or no longer obtainable, I'd just get angry seeing what i can never have.
wow talk about something going right over your head. CIG said that LTI would not come back in any form, then LTI came back. Yep you can get ships with LTI, you just admitted it. Did you even read your own post? You just said they are selling ships with LTI. Not sure how you can take what I say as incorrect when you just proved me right. But oh well...
Oh and you are blind, you can in fact buy the older ships with LTI. Currently two packages come with LTI
OK, you can turn and twist this all you want in this kind of grey zone. IF you have 10.000+ Dollar to contribute to this project yes. Kind of a big hump of Dollars. Makes what they wanted for a Idris alone to be a bargain. In the kickstarter campaign they had similar sums you could pledge, and you got to name a star system and be mentioned in the game text credits for being able to contribute this much. You honestly think there are many who will do this?
LTI was on all ships before, thats gone for quiet some time. What have shown up as time limited LTI has been a few concepts if you have the balls to pledge for a ship you don't even know how it looks like or works.
Yes, LTI dose exist even today if you have 10.000+ Dollar to spend in one big swoop. Or you got to be lucky and hope they release another short period with LTI, and that is not guaranteed.
And as CR and others at CIG has said, LTI is not going to be a big time advantage, more a indication of that that ship got birth while game was still in development.
Do you know why it came back at all in any form? Becouse of the grey market that showed up. Pepole that sells ships on ebay and other places. Thats why they decided to have the short time period sales for the ones haveing the guts and follows the game to at least have some sort possiblibity. They made several other changes for the ships to deal witht his kind of grey market issue that has been boing on.
But its cool man, I hear your frustration and fear.
There's a vast difference between a failure to fund a project and a failure to capture consumer interest.
Chris Robert's has failed categorically to maintain consumer confidence in his product, despite the funding he's achieved. People are simply getting fed up with him continually expanding the project and using this expansion as a means to prolong the development of the game.
Star Citizen is a financial success, but now it's time for them to stop prioritising their cash pile and instead focus on getting the game out that they promised at the initial funding stage. That game hasn't been delivered DESPITE the continued funding and expansion of the team to include not only a larger internal dev group but also numerous external developers working together to complete the project.
Chris Robert's has the omen of delivering on his promises, and right now he simply isn't succeeding in that regard. Maybe one day he will, but "maybe one day" needs to be sooner rather than later at this point. Tangible returns on money invested in the initial idea need to be seen. Less of this modular nonsense, more of the delivering on initial considerations.
Chris Robert's has failed categorically to maintain consumer confidence in his product, despite the funding he's achieved. People are simply getting fed up with him continually expanding the project and using this expansion as a means to prolong the development of the game.
Chris Robert's has failed categorically to maintain consumer confidence in his product, despite the funding he's achieved. People are simply getting fed up with him continually expanding the project and using this expansion as a means to prolong the development of the game.
You might want to try and back that up with some evidence - or at least some substance.
For something that has 'categorically failed to maintain consumer confidence' they're still receiving an awful lot of money, and, hey, let's just ignore all those entry level packs that sold out oh so quickly barely a month ago.
I'm getting so god damn sick of these threads popping up. Every week there are 4 or 5 new ones. This horse has been beaten so dead it has become death incarnate. Its literally the horse of death.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
wow talk about something going right over your head. CIG said that LTI would not come back in any form, then LTI came back. Yep you can get ships with LTI, you just admitted it. Did you even read your own post? You just said they are selling ships with LTI. Not sure how you can take what I say as incorrect when you just proved me right. But oh well...
Oh and you are blind, you can in fact buy the older ships with LTI. Currently two packages come with LTI
Although you responded to a different poster, let me give my 2 cents ....
In those special cases you seem to be correct. I HAVE checked these two packages three days ago and they were OUT OF STOCK. So the change back to selling these packages (especially with LTI) must have happened in the last two days ... X-Mas Special perhaps ? The composition of the packages is also different than before.
Even so .... those high-end packages are interesting for maybe 0.001 % of the backers .... so for the overwhelming majority of pledge packages LTI is not available at the moment.
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This just contradicts what Chris Roberts said as an official statement. That NO ships will be sold for real world cash after the game launches.
Now .. it might be YOUR PERSONAL OPINION that they will continue selling ships after launch. Time will tell if you are right or wrong.
I personally will keep checking the various media and forums for the official stance of CIG, which - for me - is a bit more substantial than 681.689 personal opinions.
And of course everyone - the team, the backers, the media - would prefer a finished game NOW ! And buying ships IN GAME for IN GAME money. But this is a biiiig, ambitious project. It takes time ... the usual number cited is 4-5 years. We the backers are willing to give CIG that time. There have been numerous polls on the forums on this topic and each and every one yields the same result: 95 % of the backers vote for "Take as much time as you need to make it the best space sim game ever !" And THAT - the opinion of the backers - is the only thing that counts in a crowdfunding project.
This IS a crowdfunding project. People give money freely and voluntarily. No one forces anyone to spend anything. And if one just wants to join the project all one needs is 30 $. I am continually amazed by the emotional (violent ? hateful ?) reaction of some people when someone else is spending money as they see fit. Let me give you another example of crowdfunding: in Austria we help to renovate old churches (e.g. Stephansdom in Vienna). Symbolically you buy bricks. Usually one brick. But of course, someone can buy more bricks, even whole "walls" of bricks. No one even THINKs of criticising someone for buying more than one brick to make something great. And even many non-religious people buy bricks, because they think its a good idea.
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CR also said they would not bring back LTI, but they did. Ben has already stated that they want to sell ships after launch but its the backers that do not want them to so for now they will not. He even said that backers have been asking them for it. So its a safe bet that CIG will sell ships after launch.
When the game releases and they are looking at implementing a potentially HUGE revenue stream or not with the only reason not to, being they said they wouldn't. Well, yeah, we all want to believe they will stay true to their words, but these are big profits. To think they won't renege like so many other developers before them, is just naive. Especially when it's so easy to rationalize by saying "This is what the players want" Even though it's probably a minority of spenders. But hey, this is what people are saying with "Vote with your wallets". And you are right, this IS a crowd funded project. What makes you think it won't continue as long as there is a crowd willing to fund it?
Because I met the team and Chris Roberts (at Gamescom 2014).
If anything, they are even more looking forward to launch this game as soon as possible with the planned quality. Even more so than the backers and fans.
And i have seen PLENTY of sales people at work on other occasions, spouting out their rehearsed lines. This was NOT your average sales pitch. My personal impression was that each and every one there was dedicated to make this possible.
A personal opinion, thats for sure. But enough to back this project with my personal cash, to make it happen.
So .. to answer your question directly: No, i do not think they will artifically extend the development time of the game any longer than necessary just to get extra crowdfunding money. Especially not when there is a possibility to sell millions of copies of the game to non-backers at launch.
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CR also said that they changed insurance so that the insurance fee is only a minor financial contribution. Which basically makes the LTI only a minor advantage IMHO. This is not EVE - you cannot lose a ship and your pilot every 10 min. The "Death of a Spaceman" permadeath mechanic is a natural limiter for that ... and also reduces the advantage for LTI further. And the quote from CR you probably mean is approx. 2 years old .. and the scope of the game has changed much since then (and CIG informed the backers about the changes every step of the way).
Ben has NOT stated that they want to sell ships for real world cash after launch and i challenge you to post the link to this "Ben quote". Ben HAS stated that some backers (only a few) asked for this option and CIG considered it as they consider all the feedback from the community. And in the SAME interview he said that despite this wish, CIG will NOT do it. Because the majority of players is against it.
You can bet all you want. Only time will tell if you win your bet. But please do not post your own personal opinion and forecast as if its an unavoidable universal truth woven into the fabric of the universe.
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I hope you are right and I am wrong.
what is the psychology behind people who care so much about what other people spend on hobbies like crowdfunding?
You are wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEnvlONVspA#t=375
"Ben says that the post PU launch package will have Auroras. Ben also says that the plan is to sell credits and not ships, however, if it turns out that people want ships to be sold and not credits then they may offer ships for sale. Ben acknowledges there's a lot of push back to selling ships however, so we'll have to wait and see."
Of course the PU launch packages will have Auroras. Its the STARTER ship ;-) Or one of the starter ships (Mustang is the other one).
Lets be clear - in this interview (and other interviews) Ben talks about CIG having considered selling ships because they got requests from players. Like they consider all feedback from backers. And CIG rejected the idea. Because the vast majority of backers is against it. This has also been said by Chris Roberts himself in the past.
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Wrong, insurance has not changed, it was always stated to be a minor financial fee. That has not changed, so it makes it very odd that CIG added it back to the game to sell ships. This is really odd when CIG have said multiple times that LTI does not matter, and they would never bring it back. You have your dates wrong, they said LTI would not come back just a little over a year ago, you know when they had a big sale party for the last days of LTI.
But there are no LTI anymore. You can check the site your self and go to the store. There are no LTI packdges for sale.
You are incorrect, you can purchase ships with LTI. The new wave of ships, that have not had a concept shown yet can be purchased with LTI when those concepts are shown. This gives people the ability to buy those ships with LTI. CIG said LTI would never come back. The forums also closed/locked, many threads of people talking about it.
But it seems that LTI was a big selling factor for ships, so CIG added it to ships in order for them to sell better.
You dont like this company I hear.
Anyways, what type of ship would that be? Becouse ither Im getting bilnd or you found some hidden ships that can not be pledged yet. When did you see this? You know they have a new site now right? If you check the "Redeemer" or "Gladius" for example it dose not have LTI it has 6 Months of Insurence.
There has been ships with LTI yes, time limited offers, like short weekend deals, the Carrack was the latest, upgraded Cartepillar to one my self, but you had to be prettey quick to get one becouse it was a time limited offer. So the awnaser is still "no, you can not get ships with LTI". Till you prove me otherwise. I wont take what you say is incorrect.
wow talk about something going right over your head. CIG said that LTI would not come back in any form, then LTI came back. Yep you can get ships with LTI, you just admitted it. Did you even read your own post? You just said they are selling ships with LTI. Not sure how you can take what I say as incorrect when you just proved me right. But oh well...
Oh and you are blind, you can in fact buy the older ships with LTI. Currently two packages come with LTI
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/Wing-Commander-Digital
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital
And yet the hornet survived 3 dive bombs, 1 kamakazi, and 3 enemy torpedoes.
And 9 friendly torpedoes, 400 5 inch gun rounds.
and still didn't sink.....till we hit it with four 24-inch wide long lance torpedoes.
This game will have to be really great for me to support it, or have a fair way of earning all these sold ships in game.
I usually end up being a collector, even if only minorly so, and if all these ships are behind a pricetag or no longer obtainable, I'd just get angry seeing what i can never have.
OK, you can turn and twist this all you want in this kind of grey zone. IF you have 10.000+ Dollar to contribute to this project yes. Kind of a big hump of Dollars. Makes what they wanted for a Idris alone to be a bargain. In the kickstarter campaign they had similar sums you could pledge, and you got to name a star system and be mentioned in the game text credits for being able to contribute this much. You honestly think there are many who will do this?
LTI was on all ships before, thats gone for quiet some time. What have shown up as time limited LTI has been a few concepts if you have the balls to pledge for a ship you don't even know how it looks like or works.
Yes, LTI dose exist even today if you have 10.000+ Dollar to spend in one big swoop. Or you got to be lucky and hope they release another short period with LTI, and that is not guaranteed.
And as CR and others at CIG has said, LTI is not going to be a big time advantage, more a indication of that that ship got birth while game was still in development.
Do you know why it came back at all in any form? Becouse of the grey market that showed up. Pepole that sells ships on ebay and other places. Thats why they decided to have the short time period sales for the ones haveing the guts and follows the game to at least have some sort possiblibity. They made several other changes for the ships to deal witht his kind of grey market issue that has been boing on.
But its cool man, I hear your frustration and fear.
It backfired so much, they only have 68 million Dollars to make the game release ready and work on post launch content!
Can´t say I wouldn´t like that type of backfiring too. Someone backfire me please!
There's a vast difference between a failure to fund a project and a failure to capture consumer interest.
Chris Robert's has failed categorically to maintain consumer confidence in his product, despite the funding he's achieved. People are simply getting fed up with him continually expanding the project and using this expansion as a means to prolong the development of the game.
Star Citizen is a financial success, but now it's time for them to stop prioritising their cash pile and instead focus on getting the game out that they promised at the initial funding stage. That game hasn't been delivered DESPITE the continued funding and expansion of the team to include not only a larger internal dev group but also numerous external developers working together to complete the project.
Chris Robert's has the omen of delivering on his promises, and right now he simply isn't succeeding in that regard. Maybe one day he will, but "maybe one day" needs to be sooner rather than later at this point. Tangible returns on money invested in the initial idea need to be seen. Less of this modular nonsense, more of the delivering on initial considerations.
Uhh...what? Your perceptions dont match reality.
You might want to try and back that up with some evidence - or at least some substance.
For something that has 'categorically failed to maintain consumer confidence' they're still receiving an awful lot of money, and, hey, let's just ignore all those entry level packs that sold out oh so quickly barely a month ago.
I'm getting so god damn sick of these threads popping up. Every week there are 4 or 5 new ones. This horse has been beaten so dead it has become death incarnate. Its literally the horse of death.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Although you responded to a different poster, let me give my 2 cents ....
In those special cases you seem to be correct. I HAVE checked these two packages three days ago and they were OUT OF STOCK. So the change back to selling these packages (especially with LTI) must have happened in the last two days ... X-Mas Special perhaps ? The composition of the packages is also different than before.
Even so .... those high-end packages are interesting for maybe 0.001 % of the backers .... so for the overwhelming majority of pledge packages LTI is not available at the moment.
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