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FYI: The new round of Pioneer Keys have sold out...
blacksac
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ROFL I suppose that explains why there are or at least as of yesterday were Pioneer keys over on Ebay one with a minimum bid of 30 and the other with a minimum bid of 50 with no bids. One had been up at least 5 days also rofl. Also the 2 settlers keys had high buds of $5.50 nd $4.00 the last time i looked. Also explains why in several threads on the main boards posters have complained about low populations.
But if that is what NP3 says then it is the God given truth isn't it Black
In my opinion I think they took them off because they were going bankrupt because people were buying them then taking one look at the garbage game and calling Click and Buy or their CC company, which would have incurred chageback fees to Farlan.
I miss DAoC
Remember your prediction the first round?! "No more that a few hundred pioneers would be sold"... You royally cocked that one up
You will need to prove yourself Jack or I wont beleave you
PS: Still like to see you in game one day, no hard feelings when this is all done I hope
I would not bet against the stupidty of people. Finding four of five thousand suckers is not that hard a thing to do. Remember this game has been one of the most hyped games in a long time. All that being said I can also see Farlan trying to save face by lying and saying they resold them.
But in essesnce what does it matter if they are lying or not. It's not like there is an actual game to play. Once they get around to activating these peoples accounts they will they log into Farlan's graphical chatroom for a few days, get bored then never come back. The only evil here is Farlan gets to steal a little more from people and is encouraged to keep doing so. All it does is give the story more life, add more amusement for us and postpone the games eventual closing.
At this point is it really stealing? Anyone who would pay $60 for a DnL account with all the information available about DnL's failings would most likely give that money away to something else equally as ridicoulus. The real harm that is done here is not to the individual but to the integrity of MMO's. Peoples willingness to fund and except sub standard quality only encourages devs to make poor quality games in the future. How many times have game companies lied to us gamers and tried to pass off terrible games to us. With more and more MMO's being made and MMO"s becoming more mainstream one would think not only would the future games quality mprove but so would game developer ethics. DnL is a big step backwards on both accounts. I generally don't root for games to fail especially games I have been a fan of but if there is any game compnay that deserves failure it is Farlan. But even given Farlan's unethical behavior, lying, stealing and the damage they have done to the MMO industry I can't root against them even though their failure and the games closure seems to be a certainty. Rather isn't it just more fun to sit back and watch them and their fanboys flailing around like a modern version of the three stooges as they drown in a few feet of water in the kiddy pool.
Don't have to prove crap dude. All I have to do is look at forum numbers and posts. Never more than 50 members and a dozen ior so guests are ever logged on anymore and the same 10 or 20 posters in every thread. Even going by the old adage only 10% of the fans ever post that only leaves 200 - 500 English language players. I really think that is a very generous figure at that. I still do not believe that they sold 8881 originally for that matter. I am still of a mind that they sold whatever they sold in the first day then by Saturday the sales had dropped and they made that announcement for hypes sake.
I have never worked in marketing per say but I have enough classroom back ground in it to recognize hype when I see it. One of the prime rules is make everyone think what you have is desired and that they are special if they buy/get offered it. Make it seem limited, and make it look successful. NP3 might have a hard time programming "hello world" but they could/would package cow pies and sell it as Woookie Dung if they could get Lucas Arts to agree. Unfortunately/fortunately SOE beat em to it LOL.
Quite frankly NP3 could post that the sky was blue and the grass is green and I would have my doubts until I checked it myself.
Oh and the only way you will ever see me ingame is after I see a decent review of the game on a reputable gameing site such as MMROPG.com, MMORPG Gamer, MMORPG Cafe, RPG Gazette otr other site that I can semi trust. Otherwise it isn't even worth my time to download.
I miss DAoC
Thats not up to you, because you need to prove it to me, because I want it. So from my point of view this is useless.
About forum numbers you have said the same thing about forum numbers before SoG was released, almost word for word, and was royally wrong, you said the same thing about the number of sales of the pioneer account... again royally wrong, you said the same thing about the free settlers accounts, and you guessed it, you were royally wrong!
Wheather I want proof or not, is not up to you.
Blacksac, where is your proof might I ask? You want folks to believe they sold out thousands of repackaged pioneer accounts because they said so? I lol'd.
They also said the game was complete over 2 years ago... it wasn't. They said beta was ongoing, when it's not. They also said SoG was a "reward" for all those who have watched the game for years, yet I don't see to many folks that leave games over a "reward," as people have with SoG. Point being: Farlan has a history of blowing smoke up people's rear ends.
Personally, I don't even think they handed out the combined 18,881 accounts to begin with, but that is debatable either way.
I certainly don't belive that they managed to resell them all when there is a line on eBay to try to unload these things (as Jackdog pointed out). Also, they never mentioned the number of accounts they were selling this time around, did they? No, they did not. For all we know, they could have resold 10 accounts... sold every one... and posted "WE SOLD ALL THE REFUNDED ACCOUNTS!!! (Look at us, we don't suck!)."
Whatever the case may be, i'm inclined to belive they did not sell out of ALL the old accounts and are merely saying they did. You may get a rise out of these other simple minded nimrods, but I see right through the B.S.
I miss DAoC
pfft! At this point I wouldnt be surprised if it was somebody from Farlan themselves that bought it. Seems funny no bids, no action , no nothing until we point out that rotten little fact in these boards. Now all of a sudden there is action on them? Even their latest update notice states its "been a little over a month since release" when in fact its been a little over TWO months. Why the heck cant they state a simple fact????? Lessening the time makes it LOOK like quite a bit was done in a short time -- when in fact, the things they have done in TWICE THE TIME are things that should have already been done BEFORE release. They throw this crap out like confetti.
jeez, hard to believe anything is off limits to that gang. Maybe Im pulling it but honestly, after their antics, it wouldnt be stretching too far.
"An affectionate disposition not only makes the mind more peaceful and calm, but it affects our body in a positive way too. On the other hand, hatred, jealousy and fear upset our peace of mind, make us agitated and affect our body adversely. Even our body needs peace of mind, and is not suited to agitation. This shows that an appreciation of peace of mind is in our blood."... DALAI LAMA
even fanbois stooping to lows in bumping a thread. prob is, most ppl read the first few posts, then the few last posts. Preach and tramp the confusius say in your own forum. That your only answer to his post Black? Skirt the issue you raised, then hide.
edit: Found this in an old thread here....seems BS has a pattern:
Now if some of you will take your fanbois blinders off. Blaclsac you sure seem to have a lot of screenies so I will assume you are either the #1 fanbois beta tester and immune to any NDA restrictions or a member of the dev team, so how about getting us some real info instead of calling a possible future customer a troll just because he's asking the hard questions. Or did you take your customer relations lessons from the Mourning developers?.
With this round of Pioneer Keys being sold, I would suspect that this is how they are financing their whole development cycle. As an independent developer they have probably burned through all of their cash and with the delays and a looming launch date on the horizon, this looks suspect.
With the first round of keys being sold in December, I estimate they brought in $400K, which gives them some immediate operating cash. They probably burn through 200K a month and now it's time for more operating cash so they put up a new round of keys.
So another 400K gives them two months, or, roughly April (timeline familiar, eh) to get their product coded and ready.
I would love to see this companies balance sheet because I'm guessing that they are maxed out on leveraging any assets they may own to complete their development cycle. They are probably keeping the lead developers with promises of an ownership stake after its successful launch, and, meeting daily to discuss how they can possibly even meet the April launch.
If this game is delayed past April it'll be laughable as it was touted as most anticipated before SoG and now the fanfare has died.
I would predict that if this game doesn't launch in April the company will fold within 6 months. That is unless they do another round of Pioneer Keys...
Yes I gotta agree, but assuming all they have said is in fact true. Remember, thousands refunded (per C&B employee) so much of the original amount raised was given back or is in the process of it. Seeing as how several still have not recieved their refunds back and supposedly all refunded keys were resold, it would appear that financial booboos have been made. It would be a huge mistake to tell ppl there are no more when in fact you could still grab some poor saps to help with the refund payback demand. On the flip side, if they have sold the thousands refunded, how is it they cant get the refunders back their money? They obviously cant afford experienced devs ("hiring" forum posters as developers, moderators as content leaders, etc), cant afford experienced techs and cant afford experienced marketing personnel.
By shelling out a game in such a horrific and pitiful state, making claims and statements so blatantly false as well as the inept and egotistical management of the community, they have already blown their chance for any investors (mayhaps one of those crazy exiled eccentric pissed off at her father moneybags who wants to spend daddys money) or any chance to make the kind of money this game should have gotten 4 years ago.