Originally posted by bcbully Man all I see is a bunch of sore loser.
I see you are still the lovable MMORPG poster I have seen before spewing anti Funcom hate. Hey if you want to cheat to win, enjoy. Hollow victory though, in body and soul.
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I can't believe the distress over this popularity contest.
TSW fans surely realize they are enjoying a more niche game. I imagine some of them would agree with me that the awful combat is holding it back from greatness. I am shocked that this was even a close call in voting, more people play ESO, and it is certainly better at appealing to more players. The best questing in MMOs is an impressive feat, but other games have been closing that gap, including ESO. ESO is also hands down the most immersive experience in MMOs right now. First person with great graphics, voice acting, and helpful options and mods put ESO far ahead of everything else for immersion. Right now ESO is second only to FFXIV in terms of an incredible improvement between launch and where we are now. ZOS is quickly earning their place among the best devs, next to CCP.
Speaking of which...
I think the EvE loss is far more of an upset. CCP is probably the best developer at delivering for their fans, and the stellar council is a crazy awesome idea they have been doing for awhile. Turbine on the other hand seems to be a bit less popular due to how they handle their F2P shop. LoTRO questing is obviously far superior to EvE's crappy repetetive missions and Turbine has done a good job refining their game. It just never seemed particularly "special" to me, where as EvE is so involving that the sandbox subterfuge frequently spills over into real life actions. Like above, though, it is certainly a more niche game and the awful combat must be holding it back. I can't help but think that if the EvE player base cared at all, we would see what actual cheating looks like, and they would have won by a suspiciously large amount.
I can't believe the distress over this popularity contest.
TSW fans surely realize they are enjoying a more niche game. I imagine some of them would agree with me that the awful combat is holding it back from greatness. I am shocked that this was even a close call in voting, more people play ESO, and it is certainly better at appealing to more players. The best questing in MMOs is an impressive feat, but other games have been closing that gap, including ESO. ESO is also hands down the most immersive experience in MMOs right now. First person with great graphics, voice acting, and helpful options and mods put ESO far ahead of everything else for immersion. Right now ESO is second only to FFXIV in terms of an incredible improvement between launch and where we are now. ZOS is quickly earning their place among the best devs, next to CCP.
Speaking of which...
I think the EvE loss is far more of an upset. CCP is probably the best developer at delivering for their fans, and the stellar council is a crazy awesome idea they have been doing for awhile. Turbine on the other hand seems to be a bit less popular due to how they handle their F2P shop. LoTRO questing is obviously far superior to EvE's crappy repetetive missions and Turbine has done a good job refining their game. It just never seemed particularly "special" to me, where as EvE is so involving that the sandbox subterfuge frequently spills over into real life actions. Like above, though, it is certainly a more niche game and the awful combat must be holding it back. I can't help but think that if the EvE player base cared at all, we would see what actual cheating looks like, and they would have won by a suspiciously large amount.
If this was only a popularity contest then WoW and GW2 would have been in the finals.
This is a contest about which community is the most dedicated. While ESO and TSW cared to promote the idea of voting for the game, WoW and GW2 didn't bother which is the case for many other games including FF and SWTOR. The results could have been totally different if every playerbase was to notified in which we will end up with a popularity contest.
Eitherway, the poll can't reflect any facts due to alot of variables in which quality is hardly a factor.
Originally posted by bcbully Man all I see is a bunch of sore loser.
Actually, I don't mind losing at all -- gratz to ESO. I don't even mind that people can vote multiple times. What I do mind is hypocrisy and the "everybody cheats, it's all cool -- do whatever you want for voting" attitude AFTER a huge outcry, whining and finger pointing at TSW about bots and spamming multi-votes and accusations of "cheating."
mmorpg.com, just tell everyone it's okay to "cheat" at the outset (or that there is no such thing as cheating), and it's all good.
I can't believe the distress over this popularity contest.
TSW fans surely realize they are enjoying a more niche game. I imagine some of them would agree with me that the awful combat is holding it back from greatness. I am shocked that this was even a close call in voting, more people play ESO, and it is certainly better at appealing to more players. The best questing in MMOs is an impressive feat, but other games have been closing that gap, including ESO. ESO is also hands down the most immersive experience in MMOs right now. First person with great graphics, voice acting, and helpful options and mods put ESO far ahead of everything else for immersion. Right now ESO is second only to FFXIV in terms of an incredible improvement between launch and where we are now. ZOS is quickly earning their place among the best devs, next to CCP.
Speaking of which...
I think the EvE loss is far more of an upset. CCP is probably the best developer at delivering for their fans, and the stellar council is a crazy awesome idea they have been doing for awhile. Turbine on the other hand seems to be a bit less popular due to how they handle their F2P shop. LoTRO questing is obviously far superior to EvE's crappy repetetive missions and Turbine has done a good job refining their game. It just never seemed particularly "special" to me, where as EvE is so involving that the sandbox subterfuge frequently spills over into real life actions. Like above, though, it is certainly a more niche game and the awful combat must be holding it back. I can't help but think that if the EvE player base cared at all, we would see what actual cheating looks like, and they would have won by a suspiciously large amount.
If this was only a popularity contest then WoW and GW2 would have been in the finals.
This is a contest about which community is the most dedicated. While ESO and TSW cared to promote the idea of voting for the game, WoW and GW2 didn't bother which is the case for many other games including FF and SWTOR. The results could have been totally different if every playerbase was to notified in which we will end up with a popularity contest.
Eitherway, the poll can't reflect any facts due to alot of variables in which quality is hardly a factor.
I think this contest showed how far these two games have fallen. When's the last time you heard something good about GW2? It's tough to find a fan of that game now a days. They had it all a couple years ago, but I think concenus is that Anet squandered a lot of good will.
WoW is WoW and it's been that way for 10 years. Look at a video of Cyrodill then look at WoW's new pvp area. It's aged look and gameplay are showing.
That is so funny & lame at same time but can't expect much from them, they are desperate badly.
They should be disqualified for that, period !
PS: Also there is no way to make last comments show up 1st ? Getting tired to scrol all the way down..
Other games, the fans rallied and voted.
ESO, the company had to post on their launcher for their fans to go support them...lol
If you cant win with just the Elder Scroll IP alone, that pretty much tells you the game is bad.
TSW did the same. If you know anything about statistics also, you'll know to get the most accurate results, you need the largest sample size. This means getting the word out to the most people who play the game.
I'm sorry, I was completely content to remain a lurker about, reading this thread, until you spewed this utter load of crap.
The Secret World did NOT do the same as ESO; nowhere, absolutely NOWHERE in their game was there any mention of this contest. Not on the login screen, not posted in comments or any of the chats in-game. You are flat out lying. Or perhaps, you're simply mimicking a mis-truth you heard through four or five other sources. Whatever your story may be, what you said simply is not true, and you need to deal with it.
I found out about this contest through my roommate; she's a huge Redditor, and there were threads for both The Secret World and Elder Scrolls Online. Two for each, one for the contest, one after. I, as a player of both games, have the benefit of access to both forums and communities. Let's just say, the same communal nonsense on the ESO forum is the precise reason I don't sub there any longer, when I was perfectly content to spend cash on both games previously.
I truly love the ESO game, it is phenomenal. I do not like its community. I've stated it several times to the staff when I dropped my sub. I seriously love what they have in that game, I sat making characters for hours on end. When I played, I went through every nook and cranny I could. However, a portion of its player base appears to be made up of some of the nastiest, elitist, obnoxious, and outright boorish humans to ever gather. Three months of that, and I understood why I was so alone when I played, and why my friends refused to touch the game. Your community has a reputation.
And it sucks, because ESO deserves so much more. Even with all that said, I may kick in another month, just because I miss playing ESO! And the crafting, ahhh the crafting! However, TSW will always be my fave MMO, if only for how welcoming and direct the game and its community have been. There are bad eggs everywhere, but I can honestly say, after years of playing, I've not once seen an 'anal' thread (granted, I only play on RP servers), and that alone is worth all the damn money.
That is so funny & lame at same time but can't expect much from them, they are desperate badly.
They should be disqualified for that, period !
PS: Also there is no way to make last comments show up 1st ? Getting tired to scrol all the way down..
Other games, the fans rallied and voted.
ESO, the company had to post on their launcher for their fans to go support them...lol
If you cant win with just the Elder Scroll IP alone, that pretty much tells you the game is bad.
TSW did the same. If you know anything about statistics also, you'll know to get the most accurate results, you need the largest sample size. This means getting the word out to the most people who play the game.
I'm sorry, I was completely content to remain a lurker about, reading this thread, until you spewed this utter load of crap.
The Secret World did NOT do the same as ESO; nowhere, absolutely NOWHERE in their game was there any mention of this contest. Not on the login screen, not posted in comments or any of the chats in-game. You are flat out lying. Or perhaps, you're simply mimicking a mis-truth you heard through four or five other sources. Whatever your story may be, what you said simply is not true, and you need to deal with it.
I found out about this contest through my roommate; she's a huge Redditor, and there were threads for both The Secret World and Elder Scrolls Online. Two for each, one for the contest, one after. I, as a player of both games, have the benefit of access to both forums and communities. Let's just say, the same communal nonsense on the ESO forum is the precise reason I don't sub there any longer, when I was perfectly content to spend cash on both games previously.
I truly love the ESO game, it is phenomenal. I do not like its community. I've stated it several times to the staff when I dropped my sub. I seriously love what they have in that game, I sat making characters for hours on end. When I played, I went through every nook and cranny I could. However, a portion of its player base appears to be made up of some of the nastiest, elitist, obnoxious, and outright boorish humans to ever gather. Three months of that, and I understood why I was so alone when I played, and why my friends refused to touch the game. Your community has a reputation.
And it sucks, because ESO deserves so much more. Even with all that said, I may kick in another month, just because I miss playing ESO! And the crafting, ahhh the crafting! However, TSW will always be my fave MMO, if only for how welcoming and direct the game and its community have been. There are bad eggs everywhere, but I can honestly say, after years of playing, I've not once seen an 'anal' thread (granted, I only play on RP servers), and that alone is worth all the damn money.
It was on the launcher for about an hour after ESO put it on the login screen, and if you missed the in-game messages (by community members) you're either not in the most used chat channel or you play during Aus prime (I have no idea what the channel traffic is like at that hour).
Take that, "Angry Joe." Blow your hot butt air about something else.
Ok, that was childish, but I really wouldn't mind rubbing his nose in it.
ESO today is in much better shape than it was at lauch, ho, ho. And by February or so, it'll be an almost entirely different game.
I've had to go play Skyrim again to train myself NOT to loot every container I see. Justice system and all that.
But I keep getting arrested for assault on friendly idiots who get in the way of my sword. I'm really clumsy at Skyrim (but it's still fun.)
Yes because a random award decided by putting random MMOs/MMORPGs/FPSMMOs/AMMORPGs (Action MMORPGs, aka Marvel Heroes) against one another, totally invalidates all past and future reviews. *Cough*
Well, you are right.
Just because thousands unpaid customers voted for ESO to be the best mmorpg in a known website that doesnt invalidate the "review" of a person who calls himself "AngryJoe" and made a ranting review after not being able to hit level15 in such mmorpg.
Its obvious it does not, because the review of someone who didnt even took few hours to play and told people you could not craft from the beggining (such trust coming from AngryJoe) is much more useful and objective.
/sarcasm
I legit, don't believe you. I'm not a huge fan of AngryJoe, or anything, but from the reviews I've watched of his, he always makes sure to play the game in most of its entirety, otherwise he specifically says he will, "get back" to that game.
Makes sure to play the game in most of its entirety? Thats funny, you should review his review to get a review about what you think he does to review games..
He was not even able to get to lvl15. He wasnt even during any previous beta (yet he somewhat became the paragon of esohaters for his clueless review), did not manage to do almost nothing in the game and for worse he gave wrong info in his review, I want to believe because he lacked the gametime to know better and the wish to inform himself before doing the review (you either check in game, or check websites for the info, but you dont spread false info).
You dont, legit, have to believe me. His review, I guess, its still up. If you have played the game back then, you are free to rewatch it.
That is so funny & lame at same time but can't expect much from them, they are desperate badly.
They should be disqualified for that, period !
PS: Also there is no way to make last comments show up 1st ? Getting tired to scrol all the way down..
Other games, the fans rallied and voted.
ESO, the company had to post on their launcher for their fans to go support them...lol
If you cant win with just the Elder Scroll IP alone, that pretty much tells you the game is bad.
TSW did the same. If you know anything about statistics also, you'll know to get the most accurate results, you need the largest sample size. This means getting the word out to the most people who play the game.
I'm sorry, I was completely content to remain a lurker about, reading this thread, until you spewed this utter load of crap.
The Secret World did NOT do the same as ESO; nowhere, absolutely NOWHERE in their game was there any mention of this contest. Not on the login screen, not posted in comments or any of the chats in-game. You are flat out lying. Or perhaps, you're simply mimicking a mis-truth you heard through four or five other sources. Whatever your story may be, what you said simply is not true, and you need to deal with it.
I found out about this contest through my roommate; she's a huge Redditor, and there were threads for both The Secret World and Elder Scrolls Online. Two for each, one for the contest, one after. I, as a player of both games, have the benefit of access to both forums and communities. Let's just say, the same communal nonsense on the ESO forum is the precise reason I don't sub there any longer, when I was perfectly content to spend cash on both games previously.
I truly love the ESO game, it is phenomenal. I do not like its community. I've stated it several times to the staff when I dropped my sub. I seriously love what they have in that game, I sat making characters for hours on end. When I played, I went through every nook and cranny I could. However, a portion of its player base appears to be made up of some of the nastiest, elitist, obnoxious, and outright boorish humans to ever gather. Three months of that, and I understood why I was so alone when I played, and why my friends refused to touch the game. Your community has a reputation.
And it sucks, because ESO deserves so much more. Even with all that said, I may kick in another month, just because I miss playing ESO! And the crafting, ahhh the crafting! However, TSW will always be my fave MMO, if only for how welcoming and direct the game and its community have been. There are bad eggs everywhere, but I can honestly say, after years of playing, I've not once seen an 'anal' thread (granted, I only play on RP servers), and that alone is worth all the damn money.
I'll reply but the poster above me who replied to your comment handled it perfectly.
However, I'll add. I have a blood/chaos/blade build and have played TSW for almost 2 months before ESO went Beta. I decided to log in during the competition on the last two days and see how the community was fairing.
There was consistent messaging and rally cries. Not a ton of hate speech towards ESO other than people saying, "Pfft, that game blows". But there was a huge amount of talk about it in chat consistently and more so during the last 5 hours.
When I logged into ESO, it was relatively silent and I was the one trying to rally people but most of them didn't care. They were too busy playing the game or said the poll wasn't important and some even asked, "What's TSW?" (I really can't blame them). Then you look at the Launcher. ESO did it too and it's perfectly legal as I said above, it garners the largest sample size. Funcom did post on the launcher and the fan sites (ones I visit) were abuzz about it all. It was shown and talked about in this very chat and we all saw it with our own eyes. My guess is you haven't been on TSW in a while and may have missed it but ask anyone here and they'll tell you as we are doing now.
Now, you can wear your rose tinted glasses all you want, but before you state what I said was an "Utter load of crap" you should probably do some research because all you did was make yourself look like an idiot.
That is so funny & lame at same time but can't expect much from them, they are desperate badly.
They should be disqualified for that, period !
PS: Also there is no way to make last comments show up 1st ? Getting tired to scrol all the way down..
Other games, the fans rallied and voted.
ESO, the company had to post on their launcher for their fans to go support them...lol
If you cant win with just the Elder Scroll IP alone, that pretty much tells you the game is bad.
TSW did the same. If you know anything about statistics also, you'll know to get the most accurate results, you need the largest sample size. This means getting the word out to the most people who play the game.
I'm sorry, I was completely content to remain a lurker about, reading this thread, until you spewed this utter load of crap.
The Secret World did NOT do the same as ESO; nowhere, absolutely NOWHERE in their game was there any mention of this contest. Not on the login screen, not posted in comments or any of the chats in-game. You are flat out lying. Or perhaps, you're simply mimicking a mis-truth you heard through four or five other sources. Whatever your story may be, what you said simply is not true, and you need to deal with it.
I found out about this contest through my roommate; she's a huge Redditor, and there were threads for both The Secret World and Elder Scrolls Online. Two for each, one for the contest, one after. I, as a player of both games, have the benefit of access to both forums and communities. Let's just say, the same communal nonsense on the ESO forum is the precise reason I don't sub there any longer, when I was perfectly content to spend cash on both games previously.
I truly love the ESO game, it is phenomenal. I do not like its community. I've stated it several times to the staff when I dropped my sub. I seriously love what they have in that game, I sat making characters for hours on end. When I played, I went through every nook and cranny I could. However, a portion of its player base appears to be made up of some of the nastiest, elitist, obnoxious, and outright boorish humans to ever gather. Three months of that, and I understood why I was so alone when I played, and why my friends refused to touch the game. Your community has a reputation.
And it sucks, because ESO deserves so much more. Even with all that said, I may kick in another month, just because I miss playing ESO! And the crafting, ahhh the crafting! However, TSW will always be my fave MMO, if only for how welcoming and direct the game and its community have been. There are bad eggs everywhere, but I can honestly say, after years of playing, I've not once seen an 'anal' thread (granted, I only play on RP servers), and that alone is worth all the damn money.
I'll reply but the poster above me who replied to your comment handled it perfectly.
However, I'll add. I have a blood/chaos/blade build and have played TSW for almost 2 months before ESO went Beta. I decided to log in during the competition on the last two days and see how the community was fairing.
There was consistent messaging and rally cries. Not a ton of hate speech towards ESO other than people saying, "Pfft, that game blows". But there was a huge amount of talk about it in chat consistently and more so during the last 5 hours.
When I logged into ESO, it was relatively silent and I was the one trying to rally people but most of them didn't care. They were too busy playing the game or said the poll wasn't important and some even asked, "What's TSW?" (I really can't blame them). Then you look at the Launcher. ESO did it too and it's perfectly legal as I said above, it garners the largest sample size. Funcom did post on the launcher and the fan sites (ones I visit) were abuzz about it all. It was shown and talked about in this very chat and we all saw it with our own eyes. My guess is you haven't been on TSW in a while and may have missed it but ask anyone here and they'll tell you as we are doing now.
Now, you can wear your rose tinted glasses all you want, but before you state what I said was an "Utter load of crap" you should probably do some research because all you did was make yourself look like an idiot.
I hope you do realize that the POINT of the post was not what the community did, but what the DEVELOPERS did in the game.
That is so funny & lame at same time but can't expect much from them, they are desperate badly.
They should be disqualified for that, period !
PS: Also there is no way to make last comments show up 1st ? Getting tired to scrol all the way down..
Other games, the fans rallied and voted.
ESO, the company had to post on their launcher for their fans to go support them...lol
If you cant win with just the Elder Scroll IP alone, that pretty much tells you the game is bad.
TSW did the same. If you know anything about statistics also, you'll know to get the most accurate results, you need the largest sample size. This means getting the word out to the most people who play the game.
I'm sorry, I was completely content to remain a lurker about, reading this thread, until you spewed this utter load of crap.
The Secret World did NOT do the same as ESO; nowhere, absolutely NOWHERE in their game was there any mention of this contest. Not on the login screen, not posted in comments or any of the chats in-game. You are flat out lying. Or perhaps, you're simply mimicking a mis-truth you heard through four or five other sources. Whatever your story may be, what you said simply is not true, and you need to deal with it.
I found out about this contest through my roommate; she's a huge Redditor, and there were threads for both The Secret World and Elder Scrolls Online. Two for each, one for the contest, one after. I, as a player of both games, have the benefit of access to both forums and communities. Let's just say, the same communal nonsense on the ESO forum is the precise reason I don't sub there any longer, when I was perfectly content to spend cash on both games previously.
I truly love the ESO game, it is phenomenal. I do not like its community. I've stated it several times to the staff when I dropped my sub. I seriously love what they have in that game, I sat making characters for hours on end. When I played, I went through every nook and cranny I could. However, a portion of its player base appears to be made up of some of the nastiest, elitist, obnoxious, and outright boorish humans to ever gather. Three months of that, and I understood why I was so alone when I played, and why my friends refused to touch the game. Your community has a reputation.
And it sucks, because ESO deserves so much more. Even with all that said, I may kick in another month, just because I miss playing ESO! And the crafting, ahhh the crafting! However, TSW will always be my fave MMO, if only for how welcoming and direct the game and its community have been. There are bad eggs everywhere, but I can honestly say, after years of playing, I've not once seen an 'anal' thread (granted, I only play on RP servers), and that alone is worth all the damn money.
I'll reply but the poster above me who replied to your comment handled it perfectly.
However, I'll add. I have a blood/chaos/blade build and have played TSW for almost 2 months before ESO went Beta. I decided to log in during the competition on the last two days and see how the community was fairing.
There was consistent messaging and rally cries. Not a ton of hate speech towards ESO other than people saying, "Pfft, that game blows". But there was a huge amount of talk about it in chat consistently and more so during the last 5 hours.
When I logged into ESO, it was relatively silent and I was the one trying to rally people but most of them didn't care. They were too busy playing the game or said the poll wasn't important and some even asked, "What's TSW?" (I really can't blame them). Then you look at the Launcher. ESO did it too and it's perfectly legal as I said above, it garners the largest sample size. Funcom did post on the launcher and the fan sites (ones I visit) were abuzz about it all. It was shown and talked about in this very chat and we all saw it with our own eyes. My guess is you haven't been on TSW in a while and may have missed it but ask anyone here and they'll tell you as we are doing now.
Now, you can wear your rose tinted glasses all you want, but before you state what I said was an "Utter load of crap" you should probably do some research because all you did was make yourself look like an idiot.
You typed this above.
"I'll reply but the poster above me who replied to your comment handled it perfectly.
However, I'll add. I have a blood/chaos/blade build and have played TSW for almost 2 months"
Then you typed this in an earlier post.....
"All this talk about TSW being a small group of hardcore players. I loved the game and didn't believe it. But after a month of playing
I wish it was able to deliver, I really did with my hammer elemental build"
So in 2 posts you went from playing 2 months to playing a month, and first it was a hammer elemental build but later its a blood/chaos/blade build.
I know what you did there, you are just making stuff up.
So ESO devs had to make an announcement on the launcher for their fans to come and vote and now the fans are just making stuff up to try and trash a niche game they were going to lose to.
Originally posted by Thornrage This thread is funny.
This is the thread that never ends Yes it goes on and on my friend Some people started posting in it Not knowing what it was But people kept posting just because
This is the thread that never ends Yes it goes on and on my friend Some people started posting in it Not knowing what it was But people kept posting just because
....
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I hope you do realize that the POINT of the post was not what the community did, but what the DEVELOPERS did in the game.
Way to overdo a post, sjeesh.
In which, I stated what the Funcom developers did. Read it again as I stated that they added the poll in their launcher.
To be technical, it was one of the Community Managers put it on the TSW launcher. The TSW devs seemed to be maintaining very much a 'hands off" attitude after the early accusations of dev involvement (which turned out to be legal anyway). He put it in because someone saw the notice on the TESO launcher and made a post about it in the TSW forums. When Tomium saw that post he put a similar one on the TSW launcher. This was actually fairly late in the day so the effect was probably minimal. There is no way of knowing how much or little effect these launcher notices had.
Apparently, nothing that was done was illegal. I was the one who contacted Bill Murphy asking him to verify that everything, including making multiple accounts to pad the vote, were legit. He said they were. I did this because when I saw Majgik8ball's post saying that he and his guild created multiple accounts I knew it would rile people up, and I wanted to try to get either a confirmation that it was legit, or that MMORPG.com was going to fix it to try to mitigate some of the anger.
Before Majgik8's post there was a bro thang going on between the two communities, which is a major factor in the responses of some TSW fans. i have no clue why he thought it was necessary to post an apparent admission to ballot stuffing considering the accusations aired during the contest period. The people posting here in anger now were some of those on the TSW Forums urging TSW players to 'play fair' and not make multiple accounts.
I hope you do realize that the POINT of the post was not what the community did, but what the DEVELOPERS did in the game.
Way to overdo a post, sjeesh.
In which, I stated what the Funcom developers did. Read it again as I stated that they added the poll in their launcher.
Your jammering about the community is thrice as long.
You guys won. Yay, congrats. Now stop being a dick about it already. Sjeesh.
I'm not being a dick, just trying to shed light on a lot of confusion and misunderstandings. CJ_Shadow calling my statement (which was factual) utter crap was what pushed me to push a reply.
I hope you do realize that the POINT of the post was not what the community did, but what the DEVELOPERS did in the game.
Way to overdo a post, sjeesh.
In which, I stated what the Funcom developers did. Read it again as I stated that they added the poll in their launcher.
Your jammering about the community is thrice as long.
You guys won. Yay, congrats. Now stop being a dick about it already. Sjeesh.
I'm not being a dick, just trying to shed light on a lot of confusion and misunderstandings. CJ_Shadow calling my statement (which was factual) utter crap was what pushed me to push a reply.
No confusion and misunderstanding.
ESO and their fans couldn't stand losing to the niche power house game TSW even though they have a massive IP behind them and resorted to some ballot stuffing and mud slinging.
I think we all have a clear understand of what went on.
I'm not being a dick, just trying to shed light on a lot of confusion and misunderstandings. CJ_Shadow calling my statement (which was factual) utter crap was what pushed me to push a reply.
Your statement still contained falsehoods, as was clearly and immediately pointed out. It would be wonderful if you could just take the win and give it a rest already.
Here's the simple version.
- ESO Dev's changed their login screen. TSW Community Manager changed a line of text in the start-up patcher.
- TSW Forum and chat channels were active. ESO forum was active, but the chat channels you frequent were not. There is no way of knowing if other ESO chat channels were more active
- The person who started this entire competition simply admitted that there is no way to account for multi-accounting. Which makes this popularity contest rather pointless.
- Arguing for more than 500 posts definitely counts as "Arguing on the Internet". We are all retarded, hurray for us!
There. Now go hop on the game of your choice and have a great time with your friends. I know I will, and I certainly hope you will too.
The MMO community has gone downhill if these are the Final Four. Eastern MMO art is way better than these D&D art looking garbage. And it would be nice if we can get away from TAB targeting. There's no skill involved unless you're forced to actually aim your attacks much like in Tera, B&S, and Black Desert.
ESO and their fans couldn't stand losing to the niche power house game TSW even though they have a massive IP behind them and resorted to some ballot stuffing and mud slinging.
I think we all have a clear understand of what went on.
I played the game, powerhouse I didn't see it but niche game I will definitely agree with you. Ballot stuffing was not just with ESO players. Both groups were obviously doing it. It's been a common trend on all of these polls. However the difference was, not many ESO players decided to vote.
The playerbase is more established in the game where it's primarily at an MMO's point where it's majorly made up of core members. This is the usual trend where that playerbase tries very hard to invite more people to revive the populous.
I've played far too many MMO's as far back as my MUD days and I know by now how a game develops and the trends that follow it. TSW is in a niche category, but the population and life of the game is following the same predictable trend.
The problem with our discussions is this. I'm not talking down to the players who play it or the game, but a few players on here are overly defensive. It's a great crowd and I enjoyed the game (primarily the skill options), even after beta where Itried it for a week but realized it was suffering from initial release problems (like all MMO's do).
What isn't good however, is when some of its players paint the playerbase of TSW as though they are blameless in all matters. No one can be that naive.
I'm sorry.
Originally posted by r3zs1ckn3ss The MMO community has gone downhill if these are the Final Four. Eastern MMO art is way better than these D&D art looking garbage. And it would be nice if we can get away from TAB targeting. There's no skill involved unless you're forced to actually aim your attacks much like in Tera, B&S, and Black Desert.
ESO is tabless targeting. There is an option for it, but even that wont work if you're not lined up for skillshots. As for Eastern MMO's, I've played them all. While many have good art direction, to say it's better is a matter of opinion. The Eastern games do suffer from one area though, they are primarily designed around power grinding, although not all, I don't want to over-generalize.
I can't believe the distress over this popularity contest.
TSW fans surely realize they are enjoying a more niche game. I imagine some of them would agree with me that the awful combat is holding it back from greatness. I am shocked that this was even a close call in voting, more people play ESO, and it is certainly better at appealing to more players. The best questing in MMOs is an impressive feat, but other games have been closing that gap, including ESO. ESO is also hands down the most immersive experience in MMOs right now. First person with great graphics, voice acting, and helpful options and mods put ESO far ahead of everything else for immersion. Right now ESO is second only to FFXIV in terms of an incredible improvement between launch and where we are now. ZOS is quickly earning their place among the best devs, next to CCP.
Speaking of which...
I think the EvE loss is far more of an upset. CCP is probably the best developer at delivering for their fans, and the stellar council is a crazy awesome idea they have been doing for awhile. Turbine on the other hand seems to be a bit less popular due to how they handle their F2P shop. LoTRO questing is obviously far superior to EvE's crappy repetetive missions and Turbine has done a good job refining their game. It just never seemed particularly "special" to me, where as EvE is so involving that the sandbox subterfuge frequently spills over into real life actions. Like above, though, it is certainly a more niche game and the awful combat must be holding it back. I can't help but think that if the EvE player base cared at all, we would see what actual cheating looks like, and they would have won by a suspiciously large amount.
Actually someone did post this to the EVE subreddit but the responses weren't very good I suppose.
"(login to vote) don't care enough to make an account"
"Why do you care about a poll on some random garbage website. You are feeding them traffic for garbage clickbait content. "
"They crying in the comment section was worth that visit. Cba to make an account tho "
"Not gonna sign up for shit like that."
As you said, I think most can't be bothered lol. EVE has won game of the year enough times here I suppose anyway...
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I see you are still the lovable MMORPG poster I have seen before spewing anti Funcom hate. Hey if you want to cheat to win, enjoy. Hollow victory though, in body and soul.
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I can't believe the distress over this popularity contest.
TSW fans surely realize they are enjoying a more niche game. I imagine some of them would agree with me that the awful combat is holding it back from greatness. I am shocked that this was even a close call in voting, more people play ESO, and it is certainly better at appealing to more players. The best questing in MMOs is an impressive feat, but other games have been closing that gap, including ESO. ESO is also hands down the most immersive experience in MMOs right now. First person with great graphics, voice acting, and helpful options and mods put ESO far ahead of everything else for immersion. Right now ESO is second only to FFXIV in terms of an incredible improvement between launch and where we are now. ZOS is quickly earning their place among the best devs, next to CCP.
Speaking of which...
I think the EvE loss is far more of an upset. CCP is probably the best developer at delivering for their fans, and the stellar council is a crazy awesome idea they have been doing for awhile. Turbine on the other hand seems to be a bit less popular due to how they handle their F2P shop. LoTRO questing is obviously far superior to EvE's crappy repetetive missions and Turbine has done a good job refining their game. It just never seemed particularly "special" to me, where as EvE is so involving that the sandbox subterfuge frequently spills over into real life actions. Like above, though, it is certainly a more niche game and the awful combat must be holding it back. I can't help but think that if the EvE player base cared at all, we would see what actual cheating looks like, and they would have won by a suspiciously large amount.
If this was only a popularity contest then WoW and GW2 would have been in the finals.
This is a contest about which community is the most dedicated. While ESO and TSW cared to promote the idea of voting for the game, WoW and GW2 didn't bother which is the case for many other games including FF and SWTOR. The results could have been totally different if every playerbase was to notified in which we will end up with a popularity contest.
Eitherway, the poll can't reflect any facts due to alot of variables in which quality is hardly a factor.
Actually, I don't mind losing at all -- gratz to ESO. I don't even mind that people can vote multiple times. What I do mind is hypocrisy and the "everybody cheats, it's all cool -- do whatever you want for voting" attitude AFTER a huge outcry, whining and finger pointing at TSW about bots and spamming multi-votes and accusations of "cheating."
mmorpg.com, just tell everyone it's okay to "cheat" at the outset (or that there is no such thing as cheating), and it's all good.
I think this contest showed how far these two games have fallen. When's the last time you heard something good about GW2? It's tough to find a fan of that game now a days. They had it all a couple years ago, but I think concenus is that Anet squandered a lot of good will.
WoW is WoW and it's been that way for 10 years. Look at a video of Cyrodill then look at WoW's new pvp area. It's aged look and gameplay are showing.
Ashran - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jui7F6SU4Cc
Cyrodiil - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYbcr_hgNyQ
WoW might aswell be an isometric mmorpg when things went 3d. The difference is that great.
I'm sorry, I was completely content to remain a lurker about, reading this thread, until you spewed this utter load of crap.
The Secret World did NOT do the same as ESO; nowhere, absolutely NOWHERE in their game was there any mention of this contest. Not on the login screen, not posted in comments or any of the chats in-game. You are flat out lying. Or perhaps, you're simply mimicking a mis-truth you heard through four or five other sources. Whatever your story may be, what you said simply is not true, and you need to deal with it.
I found out about this contest through my roommate; she's a huge Redditor, and there were threads for both The Secret World and Elder Scrolls Online. Two for each, one for the contest, one after. I, as a player of both games, have the benefit of access to both forums and communities. Let's just say, the same communal nonsense on the ESO forum is the precise reason I don't sub there any longer, when I was perfectly content to spend cash on both games previously.
I truly love the ESO game, it is phenomenal. I do not like its community. I've stated it several times to the staff when I dropped my sub. I seriously love what they have in that game, I sat making characters for hours on end. When I played, I went through every nook and cranny I could. However, a portion of its player base appears to be made up of some of the nastiest, elitist, obnoxious, and outright boorish humans to ever gather. Three months of that, and I understood why I was so alone when I played, and why my friends refused to touch the game. Your community has a reputation.
And it sucks, because ESO deserves so much more. Even with all that said, I may kick in another month, just because I miss playing ESO! And the crafting, ahhh the crafting! However, TSW will always be my fave MMO, if only for how welcoming and direct the game and its community have been. There are bad eggs everywhere, but I can honestly say, after years of playing, I've not once seen an 'anal' thread (granted, I only play on RP servers), and that alone is worth all the damn money.
It was on the launcher for about an hour after ESO put it on the login screen, and if you missed the in-game messages (by community members) you're either not in the most used chat channel or you play during Aus prime (I have no idea what the channel traffic is like at that hour).
Makes sure to play the game in most of its entirety? Thats funny, you should review his review to get a review about what you think he does to review games..
He was not even able to get to lvl15. He wasnt even during any previous beta (yet he somewhat became the paragon of esohaters for his clueless review), did not manage to do almost nothing in the game and for worse he gave wrong info in his review, I want to believe because he lacked the gametime to know better and the wish to inform himself before doing the review (you either check in game, or check websites for the info, but you dont spread false info).
You dont, legit, have to believe me. His review, I guess, its still up. If you have played the game back then, you are free to rewatch it.
Very trustful, indeed..
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I'll reply but the poster above me who replied to your comment handled it perfectly.
However, I'll add. I have a blood/chaos/blade build and have played TSW for almost 2 months before ESO went Beta. I decided to log in during the competition on the last two days and see how the community was fairing.
There was consistent messaging and rally cries. Not a ton of hate speech towards ESO other than people saying, "Pfft, that game blows". But there was a huge amount of talk about it in chat consistently and more so during the last 5 hours.
When I logged into ESO, it was relatively silent and I was the one trying to rally people but most of them didn't care. They were too busy playing the game or said the poll wasn't important and some even asked, "What's TSW?" (I really can't blame them). Then you look at the Launcher. ESO did it too and it's perfectly legal as I said above, it garners the largest sample size. Funcom did post on the launcher and the fan sites (ones I visit) were abuzz about it all. It was shown and talked about in this very chat and we all saw it with our own eyes. My guess is you haven't been on TSW in a while and may have missed it but ask anyone here and they'll tell you as we are doing now.
Now, you can wear your rose tinted glasses all you want, but before you state what I said was an "Utter load of crap" you should probably do some research because all you did was make yourself look like an idiot.
I hope you do realize that the POINT of the post was not what the community did, but what the DEVELOPERS did in the game.
Way to overdo a post, sjeesh.
You typed this above.
"I'll reply but the poster above me who replied to your comment handled it perfectly.
However, I'll add. I have a blood/chaos/blade build and have played TSW for almost 2 months"
Then you typed this in an earlier post.....
"All this talk about TSW being a small group of hardcore players. I loved the game and didn't believe it. But after a month of playing
I wish it was able to deliver, I really did with my hammer elemental build"
So in 2 posts you went from playing 2 months to playing a month, and first it was a hammer elemental build but later its a blood/chaos/blade build.
I know what you did there, you are just making stuff up.
So ESO devs had to make an announcement on the launcher for their fans to come and vote and now the fans are just making stuff up to try and trash a niche game they were going to lose to.
In which, I stated what the Funcom developers did. Read it again as I stated that they added the poll in their launcher.
This is the thread that never ends
Yes it goes on and on my friend
Some people started posting in it
Not knowing what it was
But people kept posting just because
This is the thread that never ends
Yes it goes on and on my friend
Some people started posting in it
Not knowing what it was
But people kept posting just because
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To be technical, it was one of the Community Managers put it on the TSW launcher. The TSW devs seemed to be maintaining very much a 'hands off" attitude after the early accusations of dev involvement (which turned out to be legal anyway). He put it in because someone saw the notice on the TESO launcher and made a post about it in the TSW forums. When Tomium saw that post he put a similar one on the TSW launcher. This was actually fairly late in the day so the effect was probably minimal. There is no way of knowing how much or little effect these launcher notices had.
Apparently, nothing that was done was illegal. I was the one who contacted Bill Murphy asking him to verify that everything, including making multiple accounts to pad the vote, were legit. He said they were. I did this because when I saw Majgik8ball's post saying that he and his guild created multiple accounts I knew it would rile people up, and I wanted to try to get either a confirmation that it was legit, or that MMORPG.com was going to fix it to try to mitigate some of the anger.
Before Majgik8's post there was a bro thang going on between the two communities, which is a major factor in the responses of some TSW fans. i have no clue why he thought it was necessary to post an apparent admission to ballot stuffing considering the accusations aired during the contest period. The people posting here in anger now were some of those on the TSW Forums urging TSW players to 'play fair' and not make multiple accounts.
Your jammering about the community is thrice as long.
You guys won. Yay, congrats. Now stop being a dick about it already. Sjeesh.
Edit; also, technically it's a patcher. Nobody reads it, ever. On top of that, it wasn't a dev.
Also, when does the next round start.
I'm not being a dick, just trying to shed light on a lot of confusion and misunderstandings. CJ_Shadow calling my statement (which was factual) utter crap was what pushed me to push a reply.
No confusion and misunderstanding.
ESO and their fans couldn't stand losing to the niche power house game TSW even though they have a massive IP behind them and resorted to some ballot stuffing and mud slinging.
I think we all have a clear understand of what went on.
Your statement still contained falsehoods, as was clearly and immediately pointed out. It would be wonderful if you could just take the win and give it a rest already.
Here's the simple version.
- ESO Dev's changed their login screen. TSW Community Manager changed a line of text in the start-up patcher.
- TSW Forum and chat channels were active. ESO forum was active, but the chat channels you frequent were not. There is no way of knowing if other ESO chat channels were more active
- The person who started this entire competition simply admitted that there is no way to account for multi-accounting. Which makes this popularity contest rather pointless.
- Arguing for more than 500 posts definitely counts as "Arguing on the Internet". We are all retarded, hurray for us!
There. Now go hop on the game of your choice and have a great time with your friends. I know I will, and I certainly hope you will too.
Happy New Year, good luck in the next round.
Getting too old for this $&17!
I played the game, powerhouse I didn't see it but niche game I will definitely agree with you. Ballot stuffing was not just with ESO players. Both groups were obviously doing it. It's been a common trend on all of these polls. However the difference was, not many ESO players decided to vote.
The playerbase is more established in the game where it's primarily at an MMO's point where it's majorly made up of core members. This is the usual trend where that playerbase tries very hard to invite more people to revive the populous.
I've played far too many MMO's as far back as my MUD days and I know by now how a game develops and the trends that follow it. TSW is in a niche category, but the population and life of the game is following the same predictable trend.
The problem with our discussions is this. I'm not talking down to the players who play it or the game, but a few players on here are overly defensive. It's a great crowd and I enjoyed the game (primarily the skill options), even after beta where Itried it for a week but realized it was suffering from initial release problems (like all MMO's do).
What isn't good however, is when some of its players paint the playerbase of TSW as though they are blameless in all matters. No one can be that naive.
I'm sorry.
ESO is tabless targeting. There is an option for it, but even that wont work if you're not lined up for skillshots. As for Eastern MMO's, I've played them all. While many have good art direction, to say it's better is a matter of opinion. The Eastern games do suffer from one area though, they are primarily designed around power grinding, although not all, I don't want to over-generalize.
With all the annoying as crap badmouthing going on here I thought it would be nice to look at the good sides of things.
Obviously just my opinions, but the point was to stop being negative.
All the communities were obviously very dedicated to their games.
EvE has the best economy in any MMO.
EvE has incredible large scale PvP.
LoTRO has some of the best lore in any MMO ever.
LoTRO shows how good a well refined themepark can be.
ESO is one of the most immersive MMOs ever.
ESO is one of the most improved MMOs right now.
TSW has the best questing in any MMO.
TSW is possibly the most unique MMO ever.
We should all be sure to give these games a chance if we haven't, and revisit them if it has been awhile.
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Actually someone did post this to the EVE subreddit but the responses weren't very good I suppose.
"(login to vote) don't care enough to make an account"
"Why do you care about a poll on some random garbage website. You are feeding them traffic for garbage clickbait content.
"
"They crying in the comment section was worth that visit. Cba to make an account tho
"
"Not gonna sign up for shit like that."
As you said, I think most can't be bothered lol. EVE has won game of the year enough times here I suppose anyway...