I wonder how many lawyers and CEOs sat around the keyboard that wrote that.
It's SOE; so 14 'writers', a project manager, a producer, 3 lawyers, and of course 2 consultants to help figure out how to recover the 'development cost' of the message.
Your opinion is sort of right though. What companies can do is make it hard for the average person to hack. So if a hack provider (someone who provide a program) creates a program make it useless asap. This would make such a program useless and they will stop creating it.
Clearly these people will still hack, but I doubt they will provide programs for others to use (if such a program is rendered useless within a day). For some people hacking is a hobby, they keep doing it. However your average person will not be able to obtain the hack. In fact my guess is that a company like SOE has people in there QA department who are specialised at hacking and will catch a lot of possible hacks before the product is released....well..maybe not, but would make sense atleast :P
Hacks are hard to fight, because most gamers don’t want that level of protection. By show of hands, how many gamers here would be willing to give up half their cpu cores to fight hacking? Will this have a hit to performance? Oh yes, your i7 turns into an i5, your i5 into a i3, and your i3 into a P4 relatively. The job could be done half way, and allow hacks to continue unabated. The point is, hacks look no different than any legitimate concurrently running application. It will take aggressive real-time local analysis to identify them. And gamers won’t stand for it.
Whenever serious attempts to fight hacks have been implemented, they have been met with shock and outrage from gamers and gaming media. Cries of privacy violation, and strong handed DMR. Fighting hacking is not simple, quick, or easy. It is in fact complex, gradual, and difficult.
For those who claim nothing is being done. Well that is the gradual part.
Pardon any spelling errors
Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven Boy: Why can't I talk to Him? Mom: We don't talk to Priests. As if it could exist, without being payed for. F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing. Even telemarketers wouldn't think that. It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
[edited for space] ( Hacks ) (if such a program is rendered useless within a day).
In a Day? Try half a year or longer. I am fighting myself from turning this post into a how to guide. Hacks today aren't taking advantage of flaws or bugs in the code. Hacks can’t be fought only on the server. Everything I want to say right now, but mustn’t, can be used to make better hacks. I just want everyone to know that fighting hacks is not as simple as y’all might think. The only way to truly fight them, is to let Developers know you are willing to give up whatever it takes to find them and stop them.
Pardon any spelling errors
Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven Boy: Why can't I talk to Him? Mom: We don't talk to Priests. As if it could exist, without being payed for. F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing. Even telemarketers wouldn't think that. It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
He sounds like Trion when it came to ArchAge. As Trion found out, it is much harder to detect these hacks these days. You end up banning non hackers in the process.
Sad state of affairs that people have to resort to this activity. Rather cowardly way to play a game.
BTW I hear there is more than just a speed hack in game.
wow im shocked by who submitted the gif ... one of the biggest H1Z1 haters on the forum. congrats MMORPG.com on letting this person spread his propaganda as a news item.
because no other game has hacks right? there have been hacks in every online competitive game since forever. the question is how does the company deal with it.
Originally posted by epoq I like how I posted this in the forums earlier today and a mod deleted it and then MMORPG.com posts it themselves several hours later. Stealin' my thunder.
Posting how to perform an exploit or a link to a location that tells how to perform it will cause moderation. You broke the rules.
They also reported it almost within an hour of your post. As a journalistic site they have to perform some due diligence to be sure their information is correct.
This is hilarious. 'Journalists', implication this site has integrity. Good stuff.
I can't think of one. The first thing they teach you about internet security is that now matter what you do, what precautions you take, if someone wants to hack you bad enough they will find a way.
There are always and will always be hacks. In EVERY game. A dev's goal is just to make them few and far between, and when new hacks come out, to fix them as quickly as possible.
You are right on some points.
Everything can be hacked is true with enough time, security is there to increase the time it takes to hack something to a point where it is no longer attractive for the attacker to even try it. In the security circles this is jokingly called the "barrier to entropy". The harder you make it the higher the chance hackers will not bother.
In game development however they rely on detection methods which are much easier to implement but prevent nothing. In fact, they encourage people to hack so they can detect them.
It's like treating a curable disease with medication to remove the symptoms and not the cause.
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tl;dr
Games use detection instead of prevention. There are methods available to make games unattractive to hack but they are too complex and costly to implement.
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It's SOE; so 14 'writers', a project manager, a producer, 3 lawyers, and of course 2 consultants to help figure out how to recover the 'development cost' of the message.
It´s good to find and get rid off all those hacks during Alpha.
Actually i find specially helpfull people that can manage to hack the game & report it.
I hope SOE solve these hacks before release unlike Trion that released Archeage plagued with reported hacks since Alpha....
A MMO without hackers is a MMO without players.
Supply drops are pay to get shot, unless of course you're in a PvE server, in which case nothing you have matters.
IMO, once hacks are in, you can't get them out.
Just like Planetside 2, ArcheAge etc...
Your opinion is sort of right though. What companies can do is make it hard for the average person to hack. So if a hack provider (someone who provide a program) creates a program make it useless asap. This would make such a program useless and they will stop creating it.
Clearly these people will still hack, but I doubt they will provide programs for others to use (if such a program is rendered useless within a day). For some people hacking is a hobby, they keep doing it. However your average person will not be able to obtain the hack. In fact my guess is that a company like SOE has people in there QA department who are specialised at hacking and will catch a lot of possible hacks before the product is released....well..maybe not, but would make sense atleast :P
Hacks are hard to fight, because most gamers don’t want that level of protection. By show of hands, how many gamers here would be willing to give up half their cpu cores to fight hacking? Will this have a hit to performance? Oh yes, your i7 turns into an i5, your i5 into a i3, and your i3 into a P4 relatively. The job could be done half way, and allow hacks to continue unabated. The point is, hacks look no different than any legitimate concurrently running application. It will take aggressive real-time local analysis to identify them. And gamers won’t stand for it.
Whenever serious attempts to fight hacks have been implemented, they have been met with shock and outrage from gamers and gaming media. Cries of privacy violation, and strong handed DMR. Fighting hacking is not simple, quick, or easy. It is in fact complex, gradual, and difficult.
For those who claim nothing is being done. Well that is the gradual part.Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
In a Day? Try half a year or longer. I am fighting myself from turning this post into a how to guide. Hacks today aren't taking advantage of flaws or bugs in the code. Hacks can’t be fought only on the server. Everything I want to say right now, but mustn’t, can be used to make better hacks. I just want everyone to know that fighting hacks is not as simple as y’all might think. The only way to truly fight them, is to let Developers know you are willing to give up whatever it takes to find them and stop them.
Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
He sounds like Trion when it came to ArchAge. As Trion found out, it is much harder to detect these hacks these days. You end up banning non hackers in the process.
Sad state of affairs that people have to resort to this activity. Rather cowardly way to play a game.
BTW I hear there is more than just a speed hack in game.
wow im shocked by who submitted the gif ... one of the biggest H1Z1 haters on the forum. congrats MMORPG.com on letting this person spread his propaganda as a news item.
because no other game has hacks right? there have been hacks in every online competitive game since forever. the question is how does the company deal with it.
This is hilarious. 'Journalists', implication this site has integrity. Good stuff.
You are right on some points.
Everything can be hacked is true with enough time, security is there to increase the time it takes to hack something to a point where it is no longer attractive for the attacker to even try it. In the security circles this is jokingly called the "barrier to entropy". The harder you make it the higher the chance hackers will not bother.
In game development however they rely on detection methods which are much easier to implement but prevent nothing. In fact, they encourage people to hack so they can detect them.
It's like treating a curable disease with medication to remove the symptoms and not the cause.
----
tl;dr
Games use detection instead of prevention. There are methods available to make games unattractive to hack but they are too complex and costly to implement.
whoever just made this useless "alpha" statement,,, welcome to PC gaming.
this won't be fixed.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
Oh look! A PvP hacked before it even goes live!
Color me shocked!
Those PvP fanatics sure do love their challenge!