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Major problem with all upcomming MMO's

Let me begin by saying i am a very experienced MMO player, although there are still people out there with FAR more experience than i, of course. I started about 6 years ago, with eq1. I loved it, was a great game for me, but it was the first mmo i played so i didn't know anything else.

Next i moved on to FFXI. this game was a grind fest but for some reason felt rewarding to play, which is what i guess matters. I lasted about 6-8 months in this game IIRC. I then moved on to L2, CoH, EVE, Planetside, SB, WW2OL, and SoR, and SWG , for short stints at each one. ( all of them lasted less than 3 weeks to a month, except ww2ol which i played for probly 6 months, and sb which lasted a couple months at least. For the last 14 months i've been playing WoW, and EQ2 for a while (never got to end game in eq2).

 

Anyways, the reason i listed all that wasn't to get off topic, it was simply so you know where i'm coming from when i say this:

In my opinion, there are no really good upcomming mmo's.    Darkfall looks good, if they can pull it off. And then there will be the ones people like simply because it fits their niche. All upcomming mmo's lack a lot.  Maybe it's because there's no upcomming games that can touch the budget of eq2 and wow, so simpily can't touch on the content level while still maintaining quality and balance. (lack of balance tends to make me lose interest... /caugh swg)

WW2OL and Shadowbane were both excellent games that deserve to be played imo, and both were low budget. There are no upcomming games that have what either of these 2 had. And i don't mean they have to be clones, i just mean something to really draw you in. WW2OL is amazing becasue you really have a massive massive massive battlefield to fight in, always in first person view (which is a kickass feature), and the realism level is huge. Most kills are either 1 or 2 shots.. if you're still alive after 2, you're really hurting, and probly can't see very well; if  you havn't already try this game.  Shadowbane was amazing for the amount of human created/built/controlled content. Building a castle and having it a huge hub of trade and a massive military powerhouse in the world, only to lose it all 3 months down the line to an even bigger army. This made Shadowbane unlike anything else. Try this if you havn't already.

 

I'm not trying to advertise for these games, but this gave you an idea of why these games are unique. Nothing upcomming has the budget to make it mainstream using the regular mmo formula. (and the few that do, really fell short :P )  , and all the upcomming games with small budgets lack to impress. MAYBE roma victor will be really amazing to a few people, but where's the next revolutionizing game? (such as ww2ol, or SB, or, for the mainstream, WoW)

 

 that's my rant.

 

 

EDIT: i know the difference between there, their, and they're... i don't know why i type it wrong :).. don't mind the terrible grammer and spelling, it's not my forte.

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  • MMO_MunkMMO_Munk Member Posts: 299

    VANGUARD!

    Vanguard is the answer to all your prayers for people like you and me. It is being developed by Sigil Games, and Microsoft Gaming studios. In case you didn't know Sigil is the Origonal EverQuest Developement team, along with a few new people. Vanguard has the older players community your looking for, and the money powerhouse Microsoft to Fund their content! I suggest you look into it more, fore you say all upcoming mmo's are gonna flop, which is true, all except for this one.

  • DarkbackwardDarkbackward Member Posts: 115

    The two games you mentioned are both good for the same reason.

    They let a player affect change.

    I'm not concerned with content when content means fetch quests and recipes for uber swords. I hate the term content in general as it basically denotes that generic bulk is being added to the product. When games come out that finally live up to the name of persistent then I will start biting. Until then, all mmorpgs are generally worthless timesinks that I can get for much more cheap with regular computer and video games.

    Type Seed Game into your search engine. Go to the game's website and learn about it. It may be the best game you've continued to ignore.

  • Jimmy_ScytheJimmy_Scythe Member CommonPosts: 3,586

    Funny you should mention the lack of content thing...

    Both A Tale in the Desert and Sociolotron have very little content in the traditional sense, but the communities are outstanding and loyal in the extreme. Uo is another example of a game that let the players affect the world (in a !VERY! limited sense) that is really well respected.

    Maybe if we stopped focusing on "content" and more on ways that the players can interact with both the world and eachother.......

  • acmtalkacmtalk Member Posts: 405

    Best time I ever had playing a MMORPG Was SWG in its early stage, Before The Jedi crap.. Very Nice combat, Great comunity, Players made everything used in game, Freedon to do whatever u wanted etc...

    Too bad SOE Decided TO add content and Profit from it Before Fixing Bugs.

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  • martinspursmartinspurs Member Posts: 13

    Big firms like SOE and EA etc you know there in it to make cash first, they have tight deadlines even if a game is buged to hell they still going to release it and think about the bugs long time after, that's why I like small unknown developers, even though they don't have the funds or experiance, they do seem to care about the game more than the cash but of course all of them are in this to make money in the end.

  • BahkBahk Member Posts: 259


    Originally posted by MMO_Munk
    VANGUARD!
    Vanguard is the answer to all your prayers for people like you and me. It is being developed by Sigil Games, and Microsoft Gaming studios. In case you didn't know Sigil is the Origonal EverQuest Developement team, along with a few new people. Vanguard has the older players community your looking for, and the money powerhouse Microsoft to Fund their content! I suggest you look into it more, fore you say all upcoming mmo's are gonna flop, which is true, all except for this one.

    Agreed.

  • smakusmaku Member Posts: 67



    Originally posted by Gunblade

    Pirates of the burning sea? Age of Conan? Fallen Earth? Hero's Journey?
    Yeah...those all have major problems w/content level or what other blather you were talking about ::::12::
    I think before ranting you should look into "all upcoming" mmo's first. And to really think about what content is.


     

     

    you are simply trolling...  i didn't say a game HAD to have the content level of wow or eq2 to be that good, but i did say that if the game is following the same formula it does.

    I also said that games like sb, and WW2OL which ahve very little actual content, were awesome games, all i said is nothing upcomming looks as good. I've looked into pirates of the burning sea and conan and all the other stuff you mentioned, but i stand by my argument. conan brings nothing. pirates is a new game style yes, but having everything player made out-of-game means you need programming skills, and that fits into my "niche" gaming description... and while sb and ww2ol are niche's, they don't require any special knowledge to play well.

     

     

  • ThrakkThrakk Member Posts: 1,226

    I agree. After looking up all the upcoming mmorpgs, darkfall does seem like the best one. Skill levels, crafting, I dont remember what else. The others had their perks but nothing that could keep me going.

  • ShojinShojin Member Posts: 88

    I keep seeing these topics pop up about dissatisfaction with the upcoming mmos and two of the big things I hear about is content and gameplay, yet no one even takes a look at Phantasy Star Universe. While I know this is largely due in part to the fact that there is no english site yet (other then the mini one on segas site), Im surprised that more people don't know about this game. While the hype meter isnt much to speak of PSU is right up there with the rest of them with a 7.1 rating, and its for good reason. Theres loads of features and content with this game, the gameplay battle system lore its all there, did everyone forget how good the old PS games were? Anyway I urge everyone that thinks that the upcoming mmos dont have enough to stop by PSO World and just read through the whole PSU section, youll find theres plot.. content.. gameplay.. everything! You don't have to worry about looking like a clone either with the nanotrace system and the sheer variety of customization. Check out some of these videos if you still arent convinced (all on pso-world).

    Heres a sample of character creation:
    Character Creation Of PSU

    Heres the battle system in action, very cool stuff:
    Battle Of PSU

    Lastly, this is the showcase of the three planets in PSU and alot of the offline portion of the game, in the online game you'll continue where the offline game left off with your own customized character (you dont have to play the offline to play the online though):
    World Of/Characters Of PSU

    Enjoy,
    -Shojin

    Edit: And for your concerns on budget, Segas behind this one.. and despite their failures they still have plenty of funding and they seem to be giving it all with PSU.

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  • APEistAPEist Member UncommonPosts: 409

    i agree with the OP, and not only because he agreed that Darkfall looks good lol.  in the end i think the best "content" a game can have is letting player's actions matter, and actually effect the world/community they are a part of.  then comes stuff like dynamic quests and all that other shiz.

    a big part of letting players actions matter and letting them truely interact with the game world is player city building and a good pvp system... and thats why i think Darkfall looks the best atm.

    anyways, the Chronicle also looks like it can bring the same to the table, same goes with Roma Victor, so you may wanna look at those games too.

    we can only hope.

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  • DamonVileDamonVile Member UncommonPosts: 4,818


    Originally posted by smaku


    you are simply trolling... i didn't say a game HAD to have the content level of wow or eq2 to be that good, but i did say that if the game is following the same formula it does.
    I also said that games like sb, and WW2OL which ahve very little actual content, were awesome games, all i said is nothing upcomming looks as good. I've looked into pirates of the burning sea and conan and all the other stuff you mentioned, but i stand by my argument. conan brings nothing. pirates is a new game style yes, but having everything player made out-of-game means you need programming skills, and that fits into my "niche" gaming description... and while sb and ww2ol are niche's, they don't require any special knowledge to play well.


    You're not even making an argument, all you've said is nothing out there looks good to you. There's no fact to that, it's just your opinion, and who can argue with that? Age of conan brings nothing ? I don't think it's fans would agree. They obvioulsy see something worth playing. If it really had nothing to offer no one would play it. All of the games people listed have content and wide spread appeal to the MMO market. It seems the only people who don't think so are the ones who've probablly burnt out playing too many mmos and should either figure out what it is about MMOs they really like or move on.


    No game is ever as good as your first MMO love. Judging any MMO after always leaves you feeling the game wasn't as good as your first one. It's not because the game wasn't as good ( though in some cases it probably isn't :P ) it's because those other games don't have that newness that totally hooks you like the first one did.

  • DarktongueDarktongue Member Posts: 276

    Failed to find the major problem that you claimed is coming with all MMOs.

     

    I did see that you dont think theres anything you like coming. Cant say thats a major deal to me tbh.

    I also saw you like outdated and clumsy looking games, maybe thats yer thing so id suggest Pacman maybe next :D

    Sorry. :)

  • ElnatorElnator Member Posts: 6,077

    I tend to agree with the OP in some aspects but I think it's simpler than even he realizes:

    MMO companies have gotten sloppy and seem to have forgotten that an MMO gamer isn't any more forgiving of crappy games than a console gamer is.  For a long time people would tolerate things from MMO's because there just weren't very many of them available.  Now that the market has lots of choices MMORPG makers are going to start paying, painfully, for not paying attention to details when making their games.

    Word of advice to MMO makers:

    This isn't a new genre anymore folks.  We have options.  Make your games complete, solid and fun or the player base will abandon you.

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  • scaramooshscaramoosh Member Posts: 3,424

    I think the MMOG genre is new, infact i think most of the Genres are new :)
    Most of them have only been around for 10 or so years and thats nothing!

     

    I think it's pulling away from the hardcore market and going more mainstream, good for cash but bad for the players.

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  • chaz583chaz583 Member Posts: 29

    Yep, Darkfall, Roma Victor & Vanguard all look pretty interesting & quite innovative to me and certainly don't follow the clone recipie of recent MMO games.

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