Trials of Ascension Kickstarter is live!

Amaranthar · February 2015

Originally posted by Juvencus
Originally posted by Sporkguy
I'd say people have to be selective of content shown in the early stages. I mean, Project Titan was never shown to the public, and Nintendo was very selective of showing Star Fox at E3 for similar reasons. Now, there are testing videos on the web, and of course FC has more of an imperative to show, but they should be somewhat selective at this point.

None of which have/had player testers, like ToA claims to have.

Wouldn't you trust a player-made video over a dev.-made video to show both positives and negatives of a game?

I know I would.

They've sent out invites to various news outlets (I assume this one included) to play test it for a report. Hopefully we'll see something.

Myobi · February 2015

Originally posted by Gemin1
Originally posted by Myobi

Originally posted by emota
Originally posted by Gemin1
I remain confused, where is the scam?

If you do not want to support them with money, don't.

These comments seem to be overflowing with tinfoil.

Totally agree.

Also im confused as a result of the energy and effort of hostility towards the project, specifically by those two who wall of txt everything in an effort to justify their position.

Well, when you force somone to give them money, it ain't a scam, its robbery.

How do you force someone on the internet to give you money?!

Blackmail, threats, piracy, hacking and what not...

Amaranthar · February 2015

Originally posted by Myobi
Originally posted by Gemin1
Originally posted by Myobi

Originally posted by emota
Originally posted by Gemin1
I remain confused, where is the scam?

If you do not want to support them with money, don't.

These comments seem to be overflowing with tinfoil.

Totally agree.

Also im confused as a result of the energy and effort of hostility towards the project, specifically by those two who wall of txt everything in an effort to justify their position.

Well, when you force somone to give them money, it ain't a scam, its robbery.

How do you force someone on the internet to give you money?!

Blackmail, threats, piracy, hacking and what not...

If you're accusing ToA of doing that, lets see something to back it up.

If you aren't, what's the purpose of this sort of insinuation?

Codec_D · February 2015

The main reason I wanted ToA to succeed was the building aspect, every game that said they were doing that before totally screwed it up. The survival aspect is fine, IMO, too. The game does have quite a few unique features when compared to established mmo's. The griefing is always an "issue" but I always felt it was a personal one for those who get upset pretty easily, I've never been bothered by the PK'ers in DF, EVE, or Wasteland.

My only issue with ToA is that the Devs don't inspire confidence at all and I wish they really would sell out to some publishers because it looks like they're learning this entire process through failure.

Myobi · February 2015

Originally posted by Amaranthar
Originally posted by Myobi
Originally posted by Gemin1
Originally posted by Myobi

Originally posted by emota
Originally posted by Gemin1
I remain confused, where is the scam?

If you do not want to support them with money, don't.

These comments seem to be overflowing with tinfoil.

Totally agree.

Also im confused as a result of the energy and effort of hostility towards the project, specifically by those two who wall of txt everything in an effort to justify their position.

Well, when you force somone to give them money, it ain't a scam, its robbery.

How do you force someone on the internet to give you money?!

Blackmail, threats, piracy, hacking and what not...

If you're accusing ToA of doing that, lets see something to back it up.

If you aren't, what's the purpose of this sort of insinuation?

Read it over again.

I didn't accuse anyone of nothing.

Amaranthar · February 2015

Originally posted by Codec_D
The main reason I wanted ToA to succeed was the building aspect, every game that said they were doing that before totally screwed it up. The survival aspect is fine, IMO, too. The game does have quite a few unique features when compared to established mmo's. The griefing is always an "issue" but I always felt it was a personal one for those who get upset pretty easily, I've never been bothered by the PK'ers in DF, EVE, or Wasteland.

My only issue with ToA is that the Devs don't inspire confidence at all and I wish they really would sell out to some publishers because it looks like they're learning this entire process through failure.

I think they've made some PR mistakes and gone about things badly years ago. But their game design is really interesting for anyone who wants a worldly game. And they have succeeded in making that building stuff, even if there's more to do as far as overall resource system and art.

The confidence factor, in the end, means nothing. Except if it costs them the donations to proceed. The product will be the real judgement on what they've made.

Dexter2010 · February 2015

Originally posted by PsiKahn
Originally posted by Fearum
This game sounds great, but haven't they been trying to make for 10 years? Little hesitant in throwing money towards it because of this. Also they made a demo to shop around to get funding from a publisher and I guess failed so they are trying to make that into a game? That is what I got from the jist of it, also another flag for me to throw any money at this.

The direction sounds great though, will keep an eye on it.

A lot of people seem confused about this. Here's the deal: To say they've been making it for 10 years isn't really accurate, though some of the concepts have been around since 2002, when they took their first stab at building the game. They couldn't get publisher backing for the tech demo they created at the time and ended up canceling the project in 2006 I think. Then they went on with their lives for a while until they completely restarted in 2012 (paring down the design a lot too) which led to the first Kickstarter attempt in 2013, which failed. They then took some time to regroup, switched from Hero to Unity engines, brought on a new lead programmer, rebuilt the game in Unity and brought it back to Kickstarter with a much more advanced tech demo, which is what's going on right now.

You contradict yourself.

Sporkguy says 10 years is accurate:

Originally posted by Sporkguy
The most common misconceptions I've seen are that ToA has had a crowdfunding effort prior to their 2013 Kickstarter, and that the Developers are making a bunch of fake profiles to drum up interest in the game. I can confirm there was no fundraising effort prior to the failed kickstarter, and there is no evidence of the other claim.

As to your concern about the development time. It is true, they have only been actively producing the current rendition of the game since Late January/Early February 2014, so a little over a year. When they started in 2002 Shadowpool failed to get funding from investors, and they weren't looking to crowdfund as that wasn't common so they canceled around 2007. I can't remember when they announced cancellation but the website lasted at least until 2007.

They restarted development in 2012 as Forged Chaos (a much smaller group at first) with a mind to launch a Kickstarter. When their first kickstarter failed FC switched to the Unity engine and started over, as they had been planning to do most of the development after KS they made a much better effort to prove concept this time utilizing funds from crowdfunding effort on their website which started in January 2014. I suggest watching the video on the KS and checking out the Ten Ton Hammer article where they play the demo and are interviewed to see the progress that has been made.

To simplify, they tried and failed in 2002-2007. They started over in 2012, but made big steps forward in 2014 alongside a 67,000 dollar crowdfunding campaign.

Dexter2010 · February 2015

Originally posted by Gemin1
I remain confused, where is the scam?

If you do not want to support them with money, don't.

These comments seem to be overflowing with tinfoil.

Imo, selling in-game things for a non-existent game in a store with no guarantee of delivery, and calling the sale a donation.

Tanamoril · February 2015

Originally posted by Dexter2010
Originally posted by Gemin1
I remain confused, where is the scam?

If you do not want to support them with money, don't.

These comments seem to be overflowing with tinfoil.

Imo, selling in-game things for a non-existent game in a store with no guarantee of delivery, and calling the sale a donation.

Everybody who donated money to Forged Chaos in the "Light the Forge" campaign had to agree that their contribution was a donation... That was made really clear. I and all the other people who donated were fully aware that we were not purchasing anything. We donated because we really hope someday for this game to see the light of day.

There were a number of fans who felt uncomfortable with giving money without the guarantee of getting anything in return, and those people just didn't donate.

I don't think you'll find anyone who gave money to FC thinking that their donation was an exchange of goods/services and not a gift.

Gemin1 · February 2015

Originally posted by Dexter2010
Originally posted by Gemin1
I remain confused, where is the scam?

If you do not want to support them with money, don't.

These comments seem to be overflowing with tinfoil.

Imo, selling in-game things for a non-existent game in a store with no guarantee of delivery, and calling the sale a donation.

They clearly indicate any money is a donation, and if you want to support them with money they are thanking you with future potential items in-game if their concept becomes reality.

Not a scam, and not new, there are a lot of companies doing this, why the focus on this one developer? Again, you are not being hoodwinked out of your money, if you do not trust them to deliver, do not give them any of your money, seriously what is the big deal?

PsiKahn · February 2015

Originally posted by Dexter2010
Originally posted by PsiKahn
Originally posted by Fearum
This game sounds great, but haven't they been trying to make for 10 years? Little hesitant in throwing money towards it because of this. Also they made a demo to shop around to get funding from a publisher and I guess failed so they are trying to make that into a game? That is what I got from the jist of it, also another flag for me to throw any money at this.

The direction sounds great though, will keep an eye on it.

A lot of people seem confused about this. Here's the deal: To say they've been making it for 10 years isn't really accurate, though some of the concepts have been around since 2002, when they took their first stab at building the game. They couldn't get publisher backing for the tech demo they created at the time and ended up canceling the project in 2006 I think. Then they went on with their lives for a while until they completely restarted in 2012 (paring down the design a lot too) which led to the first Kickstarter attempt in 2013, which failed. They then took some time to regroup, switched from Hero to Unity engines, brought on a new lead programmer, rebuilt the game in Unity and brought it back to Kickstarter with a much more advanced tech demo, which is what's going on right now.

You contradict yourself.

Sporkguy says 10 years is accurate:

Originally posted by Sporkguy
The most common misconceptions I've seen are that ToA has had a crowdfunding effort prior to their 2013 Kickstarter, and that the Developers are making a bunch of fake profiles to drum up interest in the game. I can confirm there was no fundraising effort prior to the failed kickstarter, and there is no evidence of the other claim.

As to your concern about the development time. It is true, they have only been actively producing the current rendition of the game since Late January/Early February 2014, so a little over a year. When they started in 2002 Shadowpool failed to get funding from investors, and they weren't looking to crowdfund as that wasn't common so they canceled around 2007. I can't remember when they announced cancellation but the website lasted at least until 2007.

They restarted development in 2012 as Forged Chaos (a much smaller group at first) with a mind to launch a Kickstarter. When their first kickstarter failed FC switched to the Unity engine and started over, as they had been planning to do most of the development after KS they made a much better effort to prove concept this time utilizing funds from crowdfunding effort on their website which started in January 2014. I suggest watching the video on the KS and checking out the Ten Ton Hammer article where they play the demo and are interviewed to see the progress that has been made.

To simplify, they tried and failed in 2002-2007. They started over in 2012, but made big steps forward in 2014 alongside a 67,000 dollar crowdfunding campaign.

You're really splitting hairs here. Sporkguy and I are saying almost exactly the same thing. The game has not been in CONTINUOUS development since 2002. As we both cited, there was a period of at least 5 years where no work was done on the game. Moreover the design put forward for the 2012 was notably different from the original 2002-2006 design. They didn't pick up that aging code and run with it, the original code was discarded to rebuild in a modern engine. This distinction is relevant because of confusion as to how the game could be in development for so long without being finished. Adding together the years spent on the original game and the current iteration does nothing to illuminate their current rate of progress as it pertains to the viability of their Kickstarter plans.

Myobi · February 2015

Originally posted by PsiKahn
Originally posted by Dexter2010
Originally posted by PsiKahn
Originally posted by Fearum
This game sounds great, but haven't they been trying to make for 10 years? Little hesitant in throwing money towards it because of this. Also they made a demo to shop around to get funding from a publisher and I guess failed so they are trying to make that into a game? That is what I got from the jist of it, also another flag for me to throw any money at this.

The direction sounds great though, will keep an eye on it.

A lot of people seem confused about this. Here's the deal: To say they've been making it for 10 years isn't really accurate, though some of the concepts have been around since 2002, when they took their first stab at building the game. They couldn't get publisher backing for the tech demo they created at the time and ended up canceling the project in 2006 I think. Then they went on with their lives for a while until they completely restarted in 2012 (paring down the design a lot too) which led to the first Kickstarter attempt in 2013, which failed. They then took some time to regroup, switched from Hero to Unity engines, brought on a new lead programmer, rebuilt the game in Unity and brought it back to Kickstarter with a much more advanced tech demo, which is what's going on right now.

You contradict yourself.

Sporkguy says 10 years is accurate:

Originally posted by Sporkguy
The most common misconceptions I've seen are that ToA has had a crowdfunding effort prior to their 2013 Kickstarter, and that the Developers are making a bunch of fake profiles to drum up interest in the game. I can confirm there was no fundraising effort prior to the failed kickstarter, and there is no evidence of the other claim.

As to your concern about the development time. It is true, they have only been actively producing the current rendition of the game since Late January/Early February 2014, so a little over a year. When they started in 2002 Shadowpool failed to get funding from investors, and they weren't looking to crowdfund as that wasn't common so they canceled around 2007. I can't remember when they announced cancellation but the website lasted at least until 2007.

They restarted development in 2012 as Forged Chaos (a much smaller group at first) with a mind to launch a Kickstarter. When their first kickstarter failed FC switched to the Unity engine and started over, as they had been planning to do most of the development after KS they made a much better effort to prove concept this time utilizing funds from crowdfunding effort on their website which started in January 2014. I suggest watching the video on the KS and checking out the Ten Ton Hammer article where they play the demo and are interviewed to see the progress that has been made.

To simplify, they tried and failed in 2002-2007. They started over in 2012, but made big steps forward in 2014 alongside a 67,000 dollar crowdfunding campaign.

You're really splitting hairs here. Sporkguy and I are saying almost exactly the same thing. The game has not been in CONTINUOUS development since 2002. As we both cited, there was a period of at least 5 years where no work was done on the game. Moreover the design put forward for the 2012 was notably different from the original 2002-2006 design. They didn't pick up that aging code and run with it, the original code was discarded to rebuild in a modern engine. This distinction is relevant because of confusion as to how the game could be in development for so long without being finished. Adding together the years spent on the original game and the current iteration does nothing to illuminate their current rate of progress as it pertains to the viability of their Kickstarter plans.

Honestly, it doesn't even matter.

Because anyone who cares enough to spend a couple of minutes browsing YouTube can find similar other MMO projects made by less people (1-2 member teams), with less or not funding at all, in less time, made only in their free time, yet they have much, MUCH, more to show than what Forged Chaos just did with a team of 6 members or so and at least +60,000$ in donations already ~

Therefore it doesn’t really matter, because no matter how much time they actually had, it was more than enough to make much more than they did.

Gemin1 · February 2015

Originally posted by Myobi
Originally posted by Gemin1
Originally posted by Myobi

Originally posted by emota
Originally posted by Gemin1
I remain confused, where is the scam?

If you do not want to support them with money, don't.

These comments seem to be overflowing with tinfoil.

Totally agree.

Also im confused as a result of the energy and effort of hostility towards the project, specifically by those two who wall of txt everything in an effort to justify their position.

Well, when you force somone to give them money, it ain't a scam, its robbery.

How do you force someone on the internet to give you money?!

Blackmail, threats, piracy, hacking and what not...

Pretty sure that Forged Chaos is not blackmailing, pirating or hacking anyone!!! Yaar!!!

Myobi · February 2015

Originally posted by Gemin1
Originally posted by Myobi
Originally posted by Gemin1
Originally posted by Myobi

Originally posted by emota
Originally posted by Gemin1
I remain confused, where is the scam?

If you do not want to support them with money, don't.

These comments seem to be overflowing with tinfoil.

Totally agree.

Also im confused as a result of the energy and effort of hostility towards the project, specifically by those two who wall of txt everything in an effort to justify their position.

Well, when you force somone to give them money, it ain't a scam, its robbery.

How do you force someone on the internet to give you money?!

Blackmail, threats, piracy, hacking and what not...

Pretty sure that Forged Chaos is not blackmailing, pirating or hacking anyone!!! Yaar!!!

I'm pretty sure that I even already said that I wasn't accusing anyone of nothing.

People were saying that it wasn't a scam because no one was being forced to "donate".

I just said that IF they were FORCED to "donate", wouldn't be a scam, it would be a robbery.

Than I was asked how someone can FORCE someone into giving them money via internet, I merely responded the question.

Now I start to understand why my “walls of text” are ignored or just replied with a “OMG TROLL!” =/

Amaranthar · February 2015

Originally posted by Myobi

Originally posted by Amaranthar
Originally posted by Myobi
Originally posted by Gemin1
Originally posted by Myobi

Originally posted by emota
Originally posted by Gemin1
I remain confused, where is the scam?

If you do not want to support them with money, don't.

These comments seem to be overflowing with tinfoil.

Totally agree.

Also im confused as a result of the energy and effort of hostility towards the project, specifically by those two who wall of txt everything in an effort to justify their position.

Well, when you force somone to give them money, it ain't a scam, its robbery.

How do you force someone on the internet to give you money?!

Blackmail, threats, piracy, hacking and what not...

If you're accusing ToA of doing that, lets see something to back it up.

If you aren't, what's the purpose of this sort of insinuation?

Read it over again.

I didn't accuse anyone of nothing.

Originally posted by Myobi

Originally posted by Gemin1
Originally posted by Myobi
Originally posted by Gemin1
Originally posted by Myobi

Originally posted by emota
Originally posted by Gemin1
I remain confused, where is the scam?

If you do not want to support them with money, don't.

These comments seem to be overflowing with tinfoil.

Totally agree.

Also im confused as a result of the energy and effort of hostility towards the project, specifically by those two who wall of txt everything in an effort to justify their position.

Well, when you force somone to give them money, it ain't a scam, its robbery.

How do you force someone on the internet to give you money?!

Blackmail, threats, piracy, hacking and what not...

Pretty sure that Forged Chaos is not blackmailing, pirating or hacking anyone!!! Yaar!!!

I'm pretty sure that I even already said that I wasn't accusing anyone of nothing.

People were saying that it wasn't a scam because no one was being forced to "donate".

I just said that IF they were FORCED to "donate", wouldn't be a scam, it would be a robbery.

Than I was asked how someone can FORCE someone into giving them money via internet, I merely responded the question.

Now I start to understand why my “walls of text” are ignored or just replied with a “OMG TROLL!” =/

As shown in the quote above, you didn't say "if",

You said "when".

Myobi · February 2015

"Well, when you force somone to give them money, it ain't a scam, its robbery."

It also said YOU and not Forged Chaos, yet I'm not accusing you of anything.

Still feel free to keep dragging and twisting this as far as you wish as long as it makes you happy. I just won't bother wasting my time trying to make you understand something that you don't want to understand just so you can go running around saying "PPL FROM MMO-C ARE ACCUSING US OF ROBBERY WITHOUT PROOF!!!" ~ still, have fun with that.

Amaranthar · February 2015

Originally posted by Myobi
"Well, when you force somone to give them money, it ain't a scam, its robbery."

It also said YOU and not Forged Chaos, yet I'm not accusing you of anything.

Still feel free to keep dragging and twisting this as far as you wish as long as it makes you happy. I just won't bother wasting my time trying to make you understand something that you don't want to understand just so you can go running around saying "PPL FROM MMO-C ARE ACCUSING US OF ROBBERY WITHOUT PROOF!!!" ~ still, have fun with that.

You were responding directly to the question of how ToA could be considered a scam.

emota · February 2015

You mmo champ guys need to chill out and let folks support the game without your constant harassment of this thread. An observation, and before the tears, I have no relationship with TOA.

Allow folks to do as they wish and quit your hate campaign. Or at least go back to mmo champ and wind yourselves up there.

Amaranthar · February 2015

[mod edit]

They got all wound up over there because the originator of all this said he had proof. He said he'd come forth with that proof when ToA went to Kickstarter again. Now that ToA has, he's nowhere to be found.

And those guys over there still haven't realized [mod edit] But they're so worked up they can't help themselves now, spilling over everywhere to stop this perceived "scam".

It doesn't matter now though. They've already done the damage.

Amaranthar · February 2015

Originally posted by emota
Originally posted by Amaranthar
Originally posted by emota
You mmo champ guys need to chill out and let folks support the game without your constant harassment of this thread. An observation, and before the tears, I have no relationship with TOA.

Allow folks to do as they wish and quit your hate campaign. Or at least go back to mmo champ and wind yourselves up there.

They got all wound up over there because the originator of all this said he had proof. He said he'd come forth with that proof when ToA went to Kickstarter again. Now that ToA has, he's nowhere to be found.

And those guys over there still haven't realized who the real turd in all this is. But they're so worked up they can't help themselves now, spilling over everywhere to stop this perceived "scam".

It doesn't matter now though. They've already done the damage.

Good god don't credit them with achieving damage that Myobi kid doesn't deserve that, rational folks can see through the smear campaign. Reality is the game is unlikely to hit its target, that was obvious after 24hrs.

Oh, sure, the reality is that they want a lot of money and that's going to be very hard to achieve. But this thing, it's more than just that kid. It's the bunch of them. And honestly, I think the real damage was done before the Kickstarter came out because they'd carried on with these accusations for some time.

They've put a lot of doubt in a lot of minds. And if ToA had a long shot chance, it's certainly reduced now.

Still not impossible, if they can show more that impresses would be donors enough.

emota · February 2015

Originally posted by Amaranthar
Originally posted by emota
Originally posted by Amaranthar
Originally posted by emota
You mmo champ guys need to chill out and let folks support the game without your constant harassment of this thread. An observation, and before the tears, I have no relationship with TOA.

Allow folks to do as they wish and quit your hate campaign. Or at least go back to mmo champ and wind yourselves up there.

They got all wound up over there because the originator of all this said he had proof. He said he'd come forth with that proof when ToA went to Kickstarter again. Now that ToA has, he's nowhere to be found.

And those guys over there still haven't realized who the real turd in all this is. But they're so worked up they can't help themselves now, spilling over everywhere to stop this perceived "scam".

It doesn't matter now though. They've already done the damage.

Good god don't credit them with achieving damage that Myobi kid doesn't deserve that, rational folks can see through the smear campaign. Reality is the game is unlikely to hit its target, that was obvious after 24hrs.

Oh, sure, the reality is that they want a lot of money and that's going to be very hard to achieve. But this thing, it's more than just that kid. It's the bunch of them. And honestly, I think the real damage was done before the Kickstarter came out because they'd carried on with these accusations for some time.

They've put a lot of doubt in a lot of minds. And if ToA had a long shot chance, it's certainly reduced now.

Very true mate, sad isn't it.

Amaranthar · February 2015

Originally posted by emota
Originally posted by Amaranthar
Originally posted by emota
Originally posted by Amaranthar
Originally posted by emota
You mmo champ guys need to chill out and let folks support the game without your constant harassment of this thread. An observation, and before the tears, I have no relationship with TOA.

Allow folks to do as they wish and quit your hate campaign. Or at least go back to mmo champ and wind yourselves up there.

They got all wound up over there because the originator of all this said he had proof. He said he'd come forth with that proof when ToA went to Kickstarter again. Now that ToA has, he's nowhere to be found.

And those guys over there still haven't realized who the real turd in all this is. But they're so worked up they can't help themselves now, spilling over everywhere to stop this perceived "scam".

It doesn't matter now though. They've already done the damage.

Good god don't credit them with achieving damage that Myobi kid doesn't deserve that, rational folks can see through the smear campaign. Reality is the game is unlikely to hit its target, that was obvious after 24hrs.

Oh, sure, the reality is that they want a lot of money and that's going to be very hard to achieve. But this thing, it's more than just that kid. It's the bunch of them. And honestly, I think the real damage was done before the Kickstarter came out because they'd carried on with these accusations for some time.

They've put a lot of doubt in a lot of minds. And if ToA had a long shot chance, it's certainly reduced now.

Very true mate, sad isn't it.

Especially for gamers like me who've waited for years for something like this game.

Myobi · February 2015

Originally posted by emota
You mmo champ guys need to chill out and let folks support the game without your constant harassment of this thread. An observation, and before the tears, I have no relationship with TOA.

Allow folks to do as they wish and quit your hate campaign. Or at least go back to mmo champ and wind yourselves up there.

I can't talk for others, but if I harassed anyone in this thread you are free to report me to the forum administration.

I came here and posted constructive feed back without offending anyone, I was called a troll, a lier and what not. You sure it's people like me who need to chill down and stop "hating"?

Originally posted by Amaranthar
Originally posted by emota
You mmo champ guys need to chill out and let folks support the game without your constant harassment of this thread. An observation, and before the tears, I have no relationship with TOA.

Allow folks to do as they wish and quit your hate campaign. Or at least go back to mmo champ and wind yourselves up there.

They got all wound up over there because the originator of all this said he had proof. He said he'd come forth with that proof when ToA went to Kickstarter again. Now that ToA has, he's nowhere to be found.

And those guys over there still haven't realized who the real turd in all this is. But they're so worked up they can't help themselves now, spilling over everywhere to stop this perceived "scam".

It doesn't matter now though. They've already done the damage.

Roflmao! “We” already done the damage, friend please…. Even without MMO-C thread the result would be the same, as I already said, your first Kickstarter was proof of that itself, convince yourself of whatever makes you feel better though.

Also, Azrile is just another random dude in the internet making claims, I have no reason to believe him until he comes up with results just, I doubt anyone in MMO-C formed their opinions based on what that Azrile claimed to have, we formed them based on what Forged Chaos shown us so far, therefore what he claims to have or not, it’s completely irrelevant.

Besides, I thought I already had cleared this up in my first post, here, allow me to quote myself:

“NOTE: Sorry for the huge hell of wall-of-text, it might be worth to spend a couple of minutes reading it if you plan supporting this project, also make sure you use the zoom function on the screen shots, otherwise you won’t be able to read them (pop up button at the top right side of the image.).

Hello, I’m Myobi, a member from MMO-Champion that have been following Trials of Ascension for a while now, I’m not here to try to convince anyone of nothing, everyone has their own brain to make their own decisions and the same applies to their wallets…
But as I said, I’ve been following this project and taking a couple of screen shots for a while now, if it’s okay I would like to just ask a couple of screen shots about some of them…

http://goo.gl/A0phro

First of all, I would like to know why is Forged Chaos reporting me for copyright infringements for content that is or used to be public, shouldn’t they be focusing in Trials of Ascension?

http://goo.gl/wB7fLp & http://goo.gl/atrKm6

Then, taking in mind that Trials of Ascension ONLY programmer was only hired in 26 Feb. 2014, I would like to know why a team such as Forged Chaos would even start a video game project without anyone in the team itself being capable of programming?

http://goo.gl/umK0tQ & http://goo.gl/TBKGjB

With also brings me to ask, even despite that Trials of Ascension was suspended for a couple of years, the truth is that the domain was created back in 2001, meaning that the core team had until now to grab a set of tools and learn how to use them properly to develop their most “innovating” MMORPG ever, yet instead of that they actually attempted a 750,000$ Kickstarter empty handed and only after it failed that they decided to hire their ONLY programmer to develop them a technical demo to attempt yet another Kickstarter, my only questions is…. Why? If Forged Chaos members are that busy that in over 10 years they couldn’t be arced learning essentials skills needed for a project such as Trials of Ascension, why would they even bother with the project?

http://goo.gl/Q6Drh4 & http://goo.gl/EGEbJ0 & http://goo.gl/ozlDA7

Before moving on about Teddy, I also happen to have a couple of questions about the methods used to gather the money to hire him, you guys had, well, still have a “Store”, despite the fact that it does not look as fancy as it used to, it still confuses the hell out of me…

It clearly says “Store” and I believe that is no secret that it was being used to sell items & services to a game that had/has yet to come to existence (my personal favorite being the 45$ in-game Kite – Dragon and its magnificent placeholder picture), yet after reading the “Backers Agreement” carefully, it clearly states that upon my purchase I fully agree that my purchase wasn’t a purchase, but a donation and the product bought is simply a reward that Forged Chaos has no obligation to give or refund no matter what, not only that but they are also sweet enough to inform me that donation are not tax-deductible… cute.

Despite my personal opinion about such amazing practices, why not just to run a more common(?) donation system from the very beginning? It’s like walking into a game shop, “donate” 50$, be allowed to pick a video-game that I might not even be able to walk away with… eck, is that even legal?

http://goo.gl/BsJ76J & http://goo.gl/8TRJiJ

Besides the money spent on Teddy, I’m aware that you guys have been outsourcing quite a lot of stuff via freelancers from forums such as Unity, personally I have nothing against that, but since you guys had a goal of 60,000$ with that “Store”, would it be possible some clarification about how was those 60,000$ distributed for the development of the technical demo that you showed us in your new Kickstarter attempt? I’m aware that this question was already made multiple times in Trials of Ascension forum, but besides the “beer and hookers” answer from the lead “developer” there wasn’t much of an answer, unless I got it wrong and he wasn’t actually joking about it…

http://goo.gl/x9FNlm

The same is happening already with the Kickstarter already, I believe that people are giving their own money to your cause, it’s only natural they request a little of clarification in return, I find it quite reasonable if you ask me, yet why do you guys keep avoiding it?

http://goo.gl/9NvEn1 & http://goo.gl/UQjOqm & http://goo.gl/XPSBAj

To wrap up with the financial questions, I have a last one and something that I would like to clear up as well, and I’ll start with just that… I’ve been called multiple times a liar in other forums for stating things such as that Trials of Ascension charging 500$ dollars for a game demo, but allow me to quote the screen shots above:

“Anyone that donates enough to earn the Champion badge or higher before we complete the demo is guaranteed access!”

“Conscript 5$, Brawler 25$, Enforcer 50$, Warrior 100$, Warlord 250$, Champion 500$, Hero 1000$, Legend 2500$, Immortal 5000$, Ascendant 10000$”

Makes me wonder how many more “lies” could I clear up just by spending more time researching about your project and pressing my PRT SC key…
That said, my last question financial related question.

So far I guess we can say that you guys neither are developing a game, due the lack of essential skills for it, such as programming nor you are publishing a game since you are not the ones doing the actual funding, tell me, if game developing is as easy as begging for “donations” around the internet in order to hire people such as Teddy to develop a game for us in order for us to make a profit from, wouldn’t we all just be doing that? What prevents an idiot such as me, from “developing” a “game” such as Trials of Ascension?

http://goo.gl/iFJWtf & http://goo.gl/yoSycG

Let’s move on to the ways that the “fans” have been using to advertise this project shall we, this one should be quick, I promise! Even if not important I just got to ask…

Why are “fans” that happen to be registered in the forum since 2013 without making a SINGLE POST in the forum of the game they so much love, coming back to life just now to make threads such as “Lets spread the word!” about the Kickstarter?

Resulting in threads such as this one from Star Citizen forum: http://goo.gl/mzB0sO

No offensive, but with attitudes from “fans” such as those, you won’t even be needing those “lying scum” from MMO-Champion forum to convince people that this is just a scam, what do you guys actually think that people will believe when newly created accounts start popping up in their forums, asking their users, for their money? Kind of obvious that one… why isn’t Forged Chaos at least requesting their supporters to stop such kind of behavior, c’mon it’s a fairly small and loyal community, it wouldn’t be that hard.

I could keep shooting away questions like these all day, but I believe that I might already have taken enough of your time, again I apologize for the huge wall-of-text and I’ll like to remind Forged Chaos and their fans that it isn’t me or anyone from MMO-Champion that has something to prove, we are not the ones making a profit here, we are not the ones making promises, we are just a bunch of people like anyone else, we have the right to our opinions and the freedom to discuss them , yes most of people around there believe this to be a scam, honestly you can’t blame them considering all the shit we have seen so far, if your Kickstarter fails yet again, feel free to use us as an excuse as some of you already started doing, the most “innovating” MMORPG failing because a random group of people with a negative opinion started talking about it in a gaming forum, just amazing.

Also, before leaving, allow me to share with you a couple of MMORPGs made with the same engine as Trials of Ascension (Unity), some of them being made by just 1 or 2 guys others without having any kind of funding:

Legacy Of last Dragon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13lkNv0zOVo
Neojac : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baorOGOn6qM
Project Kyrill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0GI4jjr8qM
Reign of Darkness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0KxF8uTj9Q
Project AnaKonda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyZ99A29iiw

Feel free to compare them to the glimpses of what looks like gameplay from Trials of Ascension in their new video ~

I would also like to challenge you to go into Unity forums and ask around how many players can a Unity made MMORPG can hold without getting huge performance issues, once you got the answer ask yourself, can that be even considered a MASS multiplayer?

Thanks for your time,
Good luck with the Kickstarter.”

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